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[Burruni]

Here's the biggest issue with Melee HD as an idea. (Edit: Besides DOWNGRADING THE ROSTER)

They'd have to remake a gameplay engine which is largely used for the abuses/glitches of the system.

There is NO way this was intended.

 

[Schnee117]

The rare drops are better in this game than XC, it takes me 8-12 hours to find them XC vs the 20-30 minutes in XCX and this is even worst if you're trying to find a rare monster that only comes out on a certain weather type it takes forever to find them in XC.

Drop rate is incredibly subjective.
Some people are really lucky and get the good/rare stuff with ease whilst others get the usual junk.
For example in XC I found Ice Cabbages (enough for the Collectopedia and Colony 6 rebuilding) really easily first time going through Valak Mountain despite them having a low chance of appearing but Rainbow Slugs (also infamous for their drop rate AND can't be traded for)? Many a fast travel was done to get them totalling in about an hour or two just to get enough to rebuild the Colony and for the Collectopedia.

XCX was a lot worse in that department for me. Sometimes I'd have the stuff on hand already, other times I'd go driving around for about 30+ minutes just for "common" items.

 

[Lord Dio]

Mega Mantine go!

Here, how's this?

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Here, how's this?
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When I first saw those images it took me a little while to figure out MEGA MANtine

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

Maybe I'm just too old.

just how old are you?
If you are your 20's, how is that old?

 

[AwesomeAussie27]

I'm going to dissect the problems with some Wii U games by series (but mostly focusing on the biggest projects):

Super Mario 3D World didn't make as equally big impact compared to the Galaxy games, plus Paper Mario Color Splash was still not what fans want. Super Mario Maker lost its exclusivity.

Feel free to critique me on this.

Mario Party 10 expanded on the disliked car gimmick from 9 and Ultra Smash only had the mushroom gimmick going for it with no unique courses and the same boring gameplay as previous titles

No need to mention Mario Kart 8 since the game is great aside from some item balancing and a certain elephant in the room (battle mode not being locked in arenas).

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

just how old are you?
If you are your 20's, how is that old?

Well, after you turn 25 you are fully grown and no longer develop further so at that point your body stops growing and starts slowly dying

 

[A Distant Demon]

I feel like people LOVVVVE to jump to extremes when it comes to comparing XC and XCX


Both do some things better and some worse.
XC absolutely destroys XCX in story and character development and arguably music (one is widely praised, the other is extremely divisive at best)
XCX destroys XC in it's exploration and giant mechs

But then there are a bunch of things that range between minor and major, and whether or not they are better is generally subjective.

Personally I vastly prefer XC, 2nd favorite game of all time but can see why so many people liked XCX

**** XCX's terrible party system tho

 

[Chrono.]

Mega Mantine go!

Maybe when they introduce Pokemon Fusions (because it's happening).

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

Well, after you turn 25 you are fully grown and no longer develop further so at that point your body stops growing and starts slowly dying

Old is when you are considered a senior citizen lol

 

[Burruni]

I feel like people LOVVVVE to jump to extremes when it comes to comparing XC and XCX


Both do some things better and some worse.
XC absolutely destroys XCX in story and character development and arguably music (one is widely praised, the other is extremely divisive at best)
XCX destroys XC in it's exploration and giant mechs

But then there are a bunch of things that range between minor and major, and whether or not they are better is generally subjective.

Personally I vastly prefer XC, 2nd favorite game of all time but can see why so many people liked XCX

**** XCX's terrible party system tho

But Zebs
Xenoblade Chronicles X has such rememberable music.
Like.
MMMMMMMMMMMMMMMM, DEEEEEEEEEEDEEEE, DIDDY AY! AY-AY-AY-AY DADDY-O!

And how could you forget such rememberable names as.
z5m20i12r04a28
z23s20a12m0a9-1r4u
And
raTEoREkiSImeAra

 

[ChikoLad]

Here's the biggest issue with Melee HD as an idea. (Edit: Besides DOWNGRADING THE ROSTER)

They'd have to remake a gameplay engine which is largely used for the abuses/glitches of the system.

There is NO way this was intended.

It was unintentional, but it was spotted by the developers. They decided to leave it in though because it was harmless and people could use it if they wanted.

This is actually quite a common practice in game development. Another example is the Infinite One Wall Jumping in Mega Man X. The game was going to have more traditional/realistic wall jumping, but they unintentionally got it the way it is now...But decided to keep it because they thought it was more fun than what they initially intended.

Also I don't see why porting would be an issue. WWHD was done in six months, and apparently the tools used for that port could be used for more GC ports.

 

[praline]

Fire and Steel could certainly work for Octillary, with remoraid pure fire.

Give remoraid a red war helmet look, and Octillirly gets the helmet, then gets a steel like coloring to it's tentacles. It's snout becomes more canon looking, and he could still have the red body.

It's perfect.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

I suddenly wanna play Wind waker HD

 

[praline]

I'm getting pre-show anxiety.

 

[Soul.]

To be honest I don't understand why game engine exploits are called tech in Smash.

And the constant overuse of "cancelling"

 

[AndreaAC]

So Moon's only real downside is that it gets the inferior Lycanroc. Oh the things I'll put up with for Oranguru.

I thought I was the only one that preferred Moon over Sun, but I like Midday Lycanroc over the Midnight one, I don't know, its design is better cough*anddoesn'tlooklikecrash*

 

[praline]

Werewolf Lycanroc looks much cooler but wolf Lycanroc has better moves and abilities.

 

[PLATINUM7]

To be honest I don't understand why game engine exploits are called tech in Smash.

And the constant overuse of "cancelling"

Because you're exploiting stuff for a technique?
"Overuse of cancelling" probably comes down to the amount of stuff that can get cancelled.

 

[A Distant Demon]

Watched the new episode of RWBY

MRW I need to wait another week for the next episode

Spoiler

Making weapons from the remains of your dead girlfriend

Metal as ****

 

[Kurri ★]

Here's the biggest issue with Melee HD as an idea. (Edit: Besides DOWNGRADING THE ROSTER)

They'd have to remake a gameplay engine which is largely used for the abuses/glitches of the system.

There is NO way this was intended.

Why would making the game HD mess around with mechanics? Unless they're building the game up from scratch, it's just giving everything a visual overhaul. Nothing else.

 

[ChikoLad]

To be honest I don't understand why game engine exploits are called tech in Smash.

And the constant overuse of "cancelling"

"Tech" stands for "technique", which game engine exploits are.

"Cancelling" is used in a lot of tech names because so much Smash tech revolves around cancelling animations. Just being simple and literal with the names.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

Werewolf Lycanroc looks much cooler but wolf Lycanroc has better moves and abilities.

When I get a Ruff, Im naming it Free
Because of this character from an anime, his name was Free

Spoiler

 

[praline]

When I get a Ruff, Im naming it Free
Because of this character from an anime, his name was Free

Spoiler

I don't know who that is but he looks cool. I probably won't use Rockruff honestly

 

[Chrono.]

Werewolf Lycanroc looks much cooler but wolf Lycanroc has better moves and abilities.

I'll give you the abilities, but we literally only know two moves either learn exclusively. Counter and, what seems to be, a Rock-type Quick Attack.

We can't really tell which one will be better (or if either will be good at all, their stats and movepools could be garbage for all we know).

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Honestly, I'd rather have a straight Melee HD via VC or a remake that makes Wavedashing balanced around the characters. The other obvious glitches(like Mewtwo's major ones) can be cut out. L-Cancelling can stay since it was designed with the game in mind and works fine. However, Wavedashing is quite hard on the hands, which is why it being gone is not a bad thing. Overuse of input commands is bad for you hands and all. Note that L-Cancelling does not count as an input command since it's literally needs as much of a press as A or B. It's bad balance-wise, but does not matter for your hands.

At this point, since Wavedashing is the biggest thing about Melee, and clearly is bad for your hands, remaking the game is not a terribly good idea. It would definitely sell at this point, sure, especially with more balance done, but the possibly of issues coming with the input commands makes it not entirely worth it.

And yes, I'd prefer all glitches gone(Wavedashing isn't a glitch, to note) too, but that's also a major reason why it's popular. Besides obviously being fast and fairly balanced when it came to game mechanics overall. Not too offensive or too defensive. Obviously the characters are not that balanced(nowhere near bad as Brawl or Smash 64...), but it's not severely bad. Smash 4 has the best balance so far, mind you.

To say the least, I'd also like them to give a bit more than the base roster. Make some of the NPC's playable. While the Hands don't work well due to their game mechanics, there's nothing wrong with Giga Bowser, Male Wireframe, and Female Wireframe.

 

[Wario Bros.]

Melee HD wouldn't make me jump to the Switch even faster.

 

[Kurri ★]

Honestly, I'd rather have a straight Melee HD via VC or a remake that makes Wavedashing balanced around the characters. The other obvious glitches(like Mewtwo's major ones) can be cut out. L-Cancelling can stay since it was designed with the game in mind and works fine. However, Wavedashing is quite hard on the hands, which is why it being gone is not a bad thing. Overuse of input commands is bad for you hands and all. Note that L-Cancelling does not count as an input command since it's literally needs as much of a press as A or B. It's bad balance-wise, but does not matter for your hands.

At this point, since Wavedashing is the biggest thing about Melee, and clearly is bad for your hands, remaking the game is not a terribly good idea. It would definitely sell at this point, sure, especially with more balance done, but the possibly of issues coming with the input commands makes it not entirely worth it.

And yes, I'd prefer all glitches gone(Wavedashing isn't a glitch, to note) too, but that's also a major reason why it's popular. Besides obviously being fast and fairly balanced when it came to game mechanics overall. Not too offensive or too defensive. Obviously the characters are not that balanced(nowhere near bad as Brawl or Smash 64...), but it's not severely bad. Smash 4 has the best balance so far, mind you.

To say the least, I'd also like them to give a bit more than the base roster. Make some of the NPC's playable. While the Hands don't work well due to their game mechanics, there's nothing wrong with Giga Bowser, Male Wireframe, and Female Wireframe.

Wavedashing is useful, just figure out a more "ergonomical" (for lack of better word) way to execute it.

As for L-Cancelling, that's just bad game design. A mechanic that you want to do 100% of the time with no drawbacks at all? Take that out. Just half everyone's landing lag. At what point do you ever want more landing lag?

And before someone brings up something about how L-Cancel is like basketball, no it's not. Not even close.

 

[praline]

Tentacool and Tentacruel becoming pure Electric type. Numel and Camerupt becoming Water/Grass these just make sense to me.

 

[ChikoLad]

Melee HD just needs to be Melee with a HD resolution and textures, and online functionality. Maybe a couple of cosmetic unlockables and trophies added.

Anything else is just defeating the purpose of making it in the first place.

 

[praline]

Melee HD just needs to not exist.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

I found a cool humanDartrix

Spoiler

 

[Chrono.]

Melee HD just needs to add Sandbag.

 

[Wario Bros.]

Melee HD just needs to add Sandbag.

Will it be immune to blast zones like the nonplayable version?

 

[Kurri ★]

Melee HD just needs to not exist.

Why not?

Personally, I'd rather the next smash try to be a bit more in between Smash 4 and Melee. More movement options, faster paced, more aggressive. Reward players who take the time to master the game more. But also be accessible.

 

[ChikoLad]

Melee HD just needs to add Sandbag.

But Super Smash Flash 2 already does that for free???

 

[Chrono.]

Why not?

Personally, I'd rather the next smash try to be a bit more in between Smash 4 and Melee. More movement options, faster paced, more aggressive. Reward players who take the time to master the game more. But also be accessible.

I feel like that's the next obvious step.

They (probably) wouldn't go back to the slower pace of Brawl.

 

[Kikkipoptart12]

Rather them adding adventure mode to smash 4 than for them to make melee HD. I only see a small group of people buying an HD remake of Melee.

 

[praline]

Why not?

Personally, I'd rather the next smash try to be a bit more in between Smash 4 and Melee. More movement options, faster paced, more aggressive. Reward players who take the time to master the game more. But also be accessible.

Because Melee was boring.

 

[ChikoLad]

Rather them adding adventure mode to smash 4 than for them to make melee HD. I only see a small group of people buying an HD remake of Melee.

A large amount of people would buy it (especially if the Switch gives us more big droughts ).

Only a handful would play it regularly.

So basically Smash 4 again, then.