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[A Distant Demon]

I wonder ho everyone here reacted to Bravely Default's localization. . .

There is Xenobade Music I cannot listen to. This makes me sad.
Even if it seems to be inferior to the original

 

[vaanrose]

I'm sure director;s also intend for the audience to understand what people are saying

Well, I speak three languages, so >~>

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Well, I speak three languages, so >~>

Well, there are around 6,500 languages on earth. Your a little further there than I am

 

[Opossum]

Not wanting to learn a new language just to watch a movie makes you terrible at foreign languages????

HE HAS CHOSEN THE BEAR!
Why does everyone makes this typo

That's strawmanning his point a bit, and it's honestly a point I agree with. Language skills as a whole is an area of great interest to me, and the USA is so far behind other developed (and even not-so-developed) countries as far as that area is concerned. Cultural homogeneity to the point where many are even ignorant toward the radically different English-speaking cultures throughout the country.

It really shows, too. His point isn't really "learn this entire language to watch this movie," but more so about appreciating and taking time to at least be familiar with other non-English languages, something that, yes, a lot of people in the US don't do simply because of the perceived "work" involved.

Multiculturalism is only beneficial, yet so many here in the US are adverse to the idea, somehow thinking their own ways will be lost in the process in some sort of false duality.


Just speaking from my experiences anyway.

 

[Kenith]

Well, I speak three languages, so >~>

Which languages?

I wonder ho everyone here reacted to Bravely Default's localization. . .

Same issue with XCX, the kids were 15-ish and the costumes were a bit ridiculous.
Though honestly I have to suspend my disbelief when you have 13-15 year olds saving the world anyways...

 

[Parallel_Falchion]

Yeah, because it's so easy to learn a new language just to watch some cartoons
People get paid to dub it and it makes it easier for others, what's wrong?
I can't believe someone would be agaisnt dubs

I'm just gonna say
If something does not affect your life in any way(say, something like dubs or censoring a 13-year old girl's clothes(unless you're a perv)), you should stop whining about it

I am not anti-dub at all. In fact, I am very much pro-dub. I don't know how you got the idea that I'm anti-dub from my post.

As someone who's always watched foreign movies (as in, not Portuguese, given my nationality) and now watches anime (in Japanese) with subtitles, I vehemently disagree with this. You're still watching the show: the subtitles only provide the translation of what's being said.

Your logic also carries the implication (at least to me) that one would have to learn a ton of languages to enjoy shows/films from different countries. Does this mean I should learn Japanese to watch anime? Or learn French to watch a French movie? I think it's possible to enjoy a show in the original language, provided with subtitles that represent a faithful translation of what's being said.

Do note that I'm not against dubs (unlike @ManlySpirit), though I dislike dubs done for live-action films/shows given it becomes obvious that the people you see on the screen are not the same as you're hearing and it becomes odd as the lip movement doesn't match the sound. Dubs for animated works, I don't mind and find the idea of different actors from different countries doing their own take on a character interesting.

I've watched plenty of Disney movies dubbed in Portuguese as a kid, and with good voice acting that parents could enjoy, so I can't really speak against dubbed animated features. (Unless the acting is poorly done, of course.)

Ideally, it's best to provide with both options, which is a feasible option and people can have the freedom of choice. Like it dubbed? Watch it dubbed. Prefer hearing the original audio with subtitles? Watch it subbed.

Subbing vs. dubbing debates are quite pointless when there's the viable option of proving both and let the spectators choose.

I don't think you need to learn the language to enjoy something, that's just the logic anti-dub arguments tend to lead towards. They view subtitles as something more authentic, when it's really not because that's still forcing a translation. The authenticity they crave can only be acquired through actually learning the language.

I watch anime with subtitles all the time, but only because it's the easiest option. It's fine to do, you can still enjoy it plenty, but you're certainly not getting anything special out of it compared to dubs when you don't understand the language being spoken. People like to think they can judge the acting of a language they don't know, but you really can't, and as stated, subtitles are still a translation, and there will always be something lost in translation.

It's a different case for live-action. In that case, the person on screen is actually, physically speaking the lines in the original language (which brings me back to the old adage "all animation is dubbed"). Similar logic can still theoretically apply, but it's a lot...weirder. Needless to say, preferring subtitles over dubs for live-action makes perfect sense.

 

[Radical Bones]

NintendoLife, who are usually very Nintendo positive have said that Mario Tennis is 'painfully lacking in content' to the point where they were looking through the manual to make sure they weren't missing anything.

They also said that the single player mode was incredibly lazy. Adding Bowser Jr. To a Koopa Clown car is not enough.

They better being in FREE tournament mlde DLC.

 

[Deleted member]

Not wanting to learn a new language just to watch a movie makes you terrible at foreign languages????

HE HAS CHOSEN THE BEAR!
Why does everyone makes this typo

Mmmm, no.

Refusal to expose yourself to foreign languages makes it harder to pick them up.

Also, as everyone else pointed out, that's the correct use of "bear."

Sorry buddy, been doing this for 5 years now, gonna take a lot more to best me at my own game.

 

[Champ Gold]

I wonder ho everyone here reacted to Bravely Default's localization. . .

There is Xenobade Music I cannot listen to. This makes me sad.
Even if it seems to be inferior to the original

I really didn't care about it and I thought the whole thing was stupid over why they were complaining.

At this point, I just wanna play the games. I just don't care about the content unless it's just stupidly cut and not even replaced or its related to the GAMEPLAY

 

[Deleted member]

I wonder ho everyone here reacted to Bravely Default's localization. . .

There is Xenobade Music I cannot listen to. This makes me sad.
Even if it seems to be inferior to the original

It pissed me off when I learned I couldn't get Fudonshi Ringabell and Sexy Bikini Edea.

The Vampire outfit looked better though.

That said, I actually returned the game today because it was very mediocre. I figured out the obvious plot twist and couldn't be bothered to do more time loops after the second jump through time.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

I think I'm going to download one of those language learning apps from android shop

 

[Frostwraith]

That's strawmanning his point a bit, and it's honestly a point I agree with. Language skills as a whole is an area of great interest to me, and the USA is so far behind other developed (and even not-so-developed) countries as far as that area is concerned. Cultural homogeneity to the point where many are even ignorant toward the radically different English-speaking cultures throughout the country.

It really shows, too. His point isn't really "learn this entire language to watch this movie," but more so about appreciating and taking time to at least be familiar with other non-English languages, something that, yes, a lot of people in the US don't do simply because of the perceived "work" involved.

Multiculturalism is only beneficial, yet so many here in the US are adverse to the idea, somehow thinking their own ways will be lost in the process in some sort of false duality.


Just speaking from my experiences anyway.

I don't think I'd have gotten interest in foreign languages if I hadn't heard them since as a young kid.

Even being in this forum is partially because I learned English in the first place. lol

But yeah, I always got the feeling that Americans are somehow more adverse to listening to foreign languages. Seems I was never quite wrong.

I don't think you need to learn the language to enjoy something, that's just the logic anti-dub arguments tend to lead towards. They view subtitles as something more authentic, when it's really not because that's still forcing a translation. The authenticity they crave can only be acquired through actually learning the language.

I watch anime with subtitles all the time, but only because it's the easiest option. It's fine to do, you can still enjoy it plenty, but you're certainly not getting anything special out of it compared to dubs when you don't understand the language being spoken. People like to think they can judge the acting of a language they don't know, but you really can't, and as stated, subtitles are still a translation, and there will always be something lost in translation.

It's a different case for live-action. In that case, the person on screen is actually, physically speaking the lines in the original language (which brings me back to the old adage "all animation is dubbed"). Similar logic can still theoretically apply, but it's a lot...weirder. Needless to say, preferring subtitles over dubs for live-action makes perfect sense.

Guess our viewpoints aren't that different then.

I do agree that there's always something lost in translation, even with subtitles.

Speaking of my own experience in regards to both learning English and watching American movies/shows, as well as now learning Japanese and watching anime, there is a degree of appreciation of understanding the language of the shows rather than just understanding the meaning through a translation (via subs).

And yeah, it's impossible to judge acting when not understanding how the language is spoken naturally.

In regards to live-action, we're pretty much on the same page. Live-action dubs are weird because the people performing are physically present in the action, they're seen on the screen. I can watch an animated feature dubbed and play Japanese games with English voices, but watching a live-action dub is just weird and feels unnatural.

Animation is more flexible in regards to doing different dubs and I actually enjoy watching different dubs and compare how different actors handle the same scene and bring the characters to life. For a completely fictional character, whose appearance is also entirely fictional, there are plenty of ways to interpret their voice. Talented voice actors can also make different voices, even sometimes voicing different characters in the same work, adding to the flexibility.

Live-action has the actors project their own physical characteristics into the character, which creates a very different impression when someone is recast. The character is the actor, so to speak.

 

[IceBreakerXY]

>Sees thread jump 6 pages since i was last online
>Thinks a new rumor or leak happend
>Nothing but people about a costume change which wasn't really needed imo
i am Sadden

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Mmmm, no.

Refusal to expose yourself to foreign languages makes it harder to pick them up.

Also, as everyone else pointed out, that's the correct use of "bear."

Sorry buddy, been doing this for 5 years now, gonna take a lot more to best me at my own game.

Did you even get to Ringabell's character development?

He gets all the character development at the end of the game

He's the only one that starts figuring everything out

 

[vaanrose]

Which languages?

I speak German fluently. I speak Japanese well enough to get by orally, though reading it is an ordeal. Aside from English, I also attempted to learn Russian, but gave up, and I know enough about Latin in general that I can decipher most the latin based languages (Italian, Spanish, etc) well enough. I, uh, also know quite a few words in Ewok and Dothraki. >~>

I'm a bit of an Omniglot.

 

[chuckthesmashlover]

English is my first language. I also know Spanish and I'm learning Japanese.

 

[Solfiner]

I speak English and Swedish fluently, I always need subtitles when watching movies though because I have a hard time hearing the dialogue when there are a bunch of sound effects etc. I'm really sensitive to sound.

 

[Frostwraith]

I'm fluent in Portuguese and English, understand Spanish and French to a degree and I'm learning Japanese.

I'm also a bit interested in learning German and can understand a bit of Italian. I've once had an interest in learning Greek too.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

I used to know how to speak and read french for the most part.

Mostly read

That was a long time ago though

 

[Deleted member]

I speak German fluently. I speak Japanese well enough to get by orally, though reading it is an ordeal. Aside from English, I also attempted to learn Russian, but gave up, and I know enough about Latin in general that I can decipher most the latin based languages (Italian, Spanish, etc) well enough. I, uh, also know quite a few words in Ewok and Dothraki. >~>

I'm a bit of an Omniglot.

You ever travel to Japan?

The first thing I learned over there this Summer is that I both knew more Japanese than I thought, and at the same time none at all.

That said, J-girls don't care. If you're white they'll flock you like a swarm of bees.

Did you even get to Ringabell's character development?

He gets all the character development at the end of the game

He's the only one that starts figuring everything out

A little. But it was all rather obvious due to heavy foreshadowing. He was my fave character though.

 

[Substitution]

Coming from a monolingual American myself, it's less I'm adverse and more I live in a country where English is the main language. Sure there definitely plenty of other cultures and languages out there, but it's primarily English that's the vital one. And since I doubt I'm going to need to learn Spanish, or Japanese and the like anytime soon, it'd be primarily just to learn it. To me, it's less out of laziness nor adverness and more practicality. If I'm going to learn a second language, it needs to be one that I know will be useful to learn. And as of right now I have yet to figure that one out.

Now don't get me wrong, I'm not speaking for everyone when I say this. Far from it, I'm damn sure there are many (including Americans) who will disagree heavily with me, and they have every right to. It's more so my observation regarding this whole topic.

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

I have a friend that is currently living in Japan that offered a place to stay if I ever wanted to visit

I really don't have that kind of money though

 

[LIQUID12A]

My language dominance is a bipartisan rule between English and Spanish due to my heritage, and I know both perfectly. French I kinda know, but nowhere near as well.

 

[Shadowwolflink]

And this is why Americans are terrible at foreign languages.

Or, you know, people want to watch something, not read what the characters are saying and try to pay attention to the visuals.

I've found that in most cases if I watch an anime subbed I usually need to watch an episode twice, once to understand the dialogue and again to match that dialogue to the action. That is just a waste of time, I will always take a dub over a sub because it's more convenient.

 

[vaanrose]

You ever travel to Japan?

The first thing I learned over there this Summer is that I both knew more Japanese than I thought, and at the same time none at all.

That said, J-girls don't care. If you're white they'll flock you like a swarm of bees.

I've been all over Europe. I don't really know if I want to go to Japan. They have some sweet architecture I'd like to see, but I'm 6'5", and it's annoying enough that nothing in the US is built to my size. >_>

 

[Opossum]

Coming from a monolingual American myself, it's less I'm adverse and more I live in a country where English is the main language. Sure there definitely plenty of other cultures and languages out there, but it's primarily English that's the vital one. And since I doubt I'm going to need to learn Spanish, or Japanese and the like anytime soon, it'd be primarily just to learn it. To me, it's less out of laziness nor adverness and more practicality. If I'm going to learn a second language, it needs to be one that I know will be useful to learn. And as of right now I have yet to figure that one out.

Now don't get me wrong, I'm not speaking for everyone when I say this. Far from it, I'm damn sure there are many (including Americans) who will disagree heavily with me, and they have every right to. It's more so my observation regarding this whole topic.

Just wondering what career path you're on/plan on going through, actually. In many of them knowing Spanish is a highly helpful and often marketable skill. Any insight you can give?

 

[Substitution]

Just wondering what career path you're on/plan on going through, actually. In many of them knowing Spanish is a highly helpful and often marketable skill. Any insight you can give?

I'll be real with you, this is kinda going into more personal territory. But at the very least I'll say I'm not quite sure yet, but I'm thinking something with computers.

 

[Deleted member]

May I dare say..... amiiboo?

No, more like:

 

[Opossum]

I'll be real with you, this is kinda going into more personal territory. But at the very least I'll say I'm not quite sure yet, but I'm thinking something with computers.

Gotcha. I was just wondering is all, since generally multilingualism is beneficial in general in the job market. Though it's arguably less important in computing and programming depending on where in the field you are.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Okay...

Let's never bring up censorship again because neither side could make their points without coming off as holier than thou and self righteous circle jerks.

But if we discuss it again, promise me this.
Don't bring morality into this because this isn't art being destroyed or changing things that need to be changed because of "Otaku pandering."

It's just a product being changed to sell in a particular market. Nothing more and nothing less. Putting more stock in it than that leads to the pesky arguing about morality that may seem obvious to one party but completely foreign to another.

And sadly we couldn't recognize that. Attacking each other was more "nautral."

That's my say on the matter.


As for subs or dubs, I watch subs. I don't understand the need to rewatch subbed scenes though. I only need it once. Who knows? Maybe I'm a fast reader or I have great peripheral vision. Or something.



What are you guys dressing up as for tomorrow?

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

What are you guys dressing up as for tomorrow?

I'll be dressing up in my work uniform

Because I work

I was invited to parties and the likes

But they are in the big city, a long drive away and I work until late.

 

[powerprotoman]

so were talking about the Dub vs sub debate

for me its simple if available i will almost always go with Dub...because after rewatching the english episodes of yokai watch i noticed things i didnt before because i was too busy reading the subtitles

 

[Kenith]

What are you guys dressing up as for tomorrow?

I'm dressing up as a lonely loser. I've had my costume ready all year my life

 

[Radical Bones]

I used to know a whole lot of Indonesian but not so much any more.

Studied it for a long time then dropped off.

 

[Substitution]

Gotcha. I was just wondering is all, since generally multilingualism is beneficial in general in the job market. Though it's arguably less important in computing and programming depending on where in the field you are.

Eh, it's fine. And I'm sorry if I'm coming off as vague, it's just the best way I can explain it.

What are you guys dressing up as for tomorrow?

Some loser who dwells in the Internet. I've been practicing this one my whole life.

 

[Opossum]

What are you guys dressing up as for tomorrow?

Regular clothing, more than likely.

Lack of funding, no party invites, and other priorities stop me from doing otherwise. Yourself?

 

[Shadowwolflink]

What are you guys dressing up as for tomorrow?

I have a Deadpool mask, that's about it.

 

[Bananija]

My main language is French, I can read, listen and write in English as well than my first language, I can speak with a crappy accent and I know a bit about Spanish.

What are you guys dressing up as for tomorrow?

With the same awesome scarecrow costume I wore today for school.

 

[Opossum]

My main language is French, I can read, listen and write in English as well than my first language, I can speak with a crappy accent and I know a bit about Spanish.

With the same awesome scarecrow costume I ***** today for school.

Did you mean wore by chance? That's kind of an unfortunate typo.

 

[Solfiner]

What are you guys dressing up as for tomorrow?

Myself. Truly frightening, right?