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I disagree, people should develop the ability to form their own opinions for themselves rather than have other people modify things to appeal to select groups, all the while alienating the people who care for the source material, and scrutinizing an artist's original vision.

If people find something not to their liking, they always have the choice and power to not partake in something.

Plus, when it comes to cultural differences, the entire POINT of multiculturalism is to open you mind to the ideas and differences of another culture. This is how you expand your worldview, because other people in a different part of the world are just like you, but may see things differently, and this might help on consider new ideas that might have not entered their scope if they remained fixated on the ideologies of one culture.

Likewise, assuming that the values of one culture are superior to another is bigoted to no end. By censoring something, you're essentially imposing your values over the intent of the creator. What good does that do?

An individual who keeps their minds closed to contrasting ideas and limited to the ideas and values of one culture will forever have a very narrow and immature outlook of the world.

I believe that people should always have an open mind, but think for themselves and come to their own conclusions. Rather than have someone decide for them what's good and bad. Censorship, is essentially the latter.

Not to mention, censorship is one hell of a slippery slope. How do you decide which values are worth stifling and which aren't? And what makes some values right and others wrong? Wouldn't too much "protection" make people increasingly sensitive?
While I wouldn't want to drag the discussion on farther, let me say first that you make good points before you think I'm simply blowing you off. I myself don't believe it an issue of superiority or anything like that.

And besides; it may go against the point of it all, but anyone interested in seeing what lies beyond the doors of censors can look it up with the free reign of the internet. That and there are times when a piece of media is willingly released uncensored as well; like you said, for the consumer to decide.
 
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Was just taking a playful jab at him is all.

Most people who take offense to the new SP eps is cause they feel they're "going too far." When the entite point of SP is that "nothing is sacred." Not even Elon Musk got scott free, and though I'm a huge fan of the guy, I still had some giggles at the episode ripping on him.

People just need to lighten up is all, learn to laugh a little. Not take everything so seriously, ya know. I think that's what Parker and Stone are trying to get across to people I think. Them ripping on Social Justice has been a long time coming.

Though I will agree this new season hasn't been AS funny as previous ones.

Also:

Funny, I really dont care for Nostalgia Critic's comedy reviews anymore (after the reboot the quality of them sort of went really downhill in my opinion), but so far I found all of his discussion-focused videos very solid.
 
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Last time I watched SP is when I had a friend with Asperger syndrome. It was the Assburgers episode and he thought it was funny as ****.

To me, a joke goes too far when it's offensive. However, as you mentioned, South Park gets away with it as they offend everything
That's the entire point.

Plus, as the Nostalgia Critic mentioned, comedy is based on misery. It's impossible to make something funny with somehow being offensive to someone. Even funny faces are taking a jab at disfigured people, even if it's not overtly obvious.

No matter what, you're always running the risk of offending someone when you crack a joke. But perhaps people should learn to laugh at themselves. Laughter is good, and learning to laugh at yourself is an incredible show of humility.

The only time comedy goes too far is when it's deliberately trying to hurt someone. When it's hateful. But if it's in the spirit of a good laugh, I don't see the problem.
 

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See, to me, it's less when a joke is offensive that makes it bad, but more so when the joke fails.

Say what you want about South Park, but it's clear the guys know comedy: what boundaries and lines to cross and how to do so. And when they get it right they get it damn right. There is a way to do black comedy right, and we have gotten it right.

But there is a side to every coin. Shock humor for example it all style with no substance. Most of the time, yeah, it is offensiveness for the sake of offensiveness. And when you have nothing else to a joke or fail at it, what else is there? It just comes off as tasteless if not vile.

So, yeah, I can see in some cases where "too far" is justified. But there are just as many if not more cases where it's not. Instead of putting everyone in one basket and chastising them for challenging the norms, we should instead applaud those that can do it well.

But that's also just me. After all, humor is subjective.

Funny, I really dont care for Nostalgia Critic's comedy reviews anymore (after the reboot the quality of them sort of went really downhill in my opinion), but so far I found all of his discussion-focused videos very solid.
I've been feeling that way about Channel Awesome in general. There's funny people there doing what they do. But I don't know, it seems like it's all hit or miss nowadays.
 

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You know it just hit me.

For as big as she is?

I can't think of a moment where South Park has commented on Taylor Swift.

They've went after pretty much every celebrity, even flash in the pan celebs like Iggy Azalea (She's gonna be gone soon watch.)

But not the perceived sweetheart of America, wonder why?
 

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You know it just hit me.

For as big as she is?

I can't think of a moment where South Park has commented on Taylor Swift.

They've went after pretty much every celebrity, even flash in the pan celebs like Iggy Azalea (She's gonna be gone soon watch.)

But not the perceived sweetheart of America, wonder why?
They did her in the meme episode *moving by butt while holding a cat stuck in bread* TAYLOR SWIFT IS DANGEROUS! Also, isn't she known to sue quickly?
....butt but twerking!
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THIS JOKE HAS NOT TRADEMARKED OR COPYRIGHT UNDER YOUR NAME OR DOMAIN! I HAVE THE RIGHT TO USE THIS JOKE AS I PLEASE :013: :p
Oh yeah?!

*throws witty comeback at you*

How do you like that!

Also, in honor of this spooky Time of the year, people... what is that one really creepy part of a Video Game that really got to ya? Doesn't have to be only horror games, as plenty of non-horror games has the most scary situations~
 

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So I heard about the whole censorship thing in Xenoblade Chronicles X.

Honestly, I think the EU (or "censored" version, take your pick) looks so much more better than the original version imo.
The outfit's not a dull white bikini but has some nice colouring, so all I can do is be proud I get the better looking outfit
 
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I disagree, people should develop the ability to form their own opinions for themselves rather than have other people modify things to appeal to select groups, all the while alienating the people who care for the source material, and scrutinizing an artist's original vision.

Not to mention, censorship is one hell of a slippery slope. How do you decide which values are worth stifling and which aren't? And what makes some values right and others wrong? Wouldn't too much "protection" make people increasingly sensitive?
Censorship isn't really that complex. There are pretty obvious things that are considered bad by everyone such as murder, ****, body mutilation, gangs, and etc. Things such as these should definitely be censored if they are airing to the general public as kids can get the wrong idea if exposed to these things at early ages that affects their lives as time goes on. Time has shown that the influences a child or teen have that are the loudest end up impacting huge parts of their lives, and if that loud part is one of the things listed above instead of stronger mental fortitude being passed down to them in some way, they will most likely end up doing bad things or having a poor scope of thought not having the stable mindset to be able to approach negative or disgusting subjects.

As far as being too sensitive for some things being censored, I feel that isn't the case. I find that having more time to build yourself up while you are young under the right influences lets you handle the wrong influences. Censorship hasn't gotten to the point where we don't have any negative impacts in our lives, everyone still has plenty of that regardless.
 
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While I wouldn't want to drag the discussion on farther, let me say first that you make good points before you think I'm simply blowing you off. I myself don't believe it an issue of superiority or anything like that.

And besides; it may go against the point of it all, but anyone interested in seeing what lies beyond the doors of censors can look it up with the free reign of the internet. That and there are times when a piece of media is willingly released uncensored as well; like you said, for the consumer to decide.
No worries dude. I'm heading out in a bit anyway. ;)
 

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Censorship necessarily a good or bad thing.

It's just a necessity to sell a product.
 

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Oh yeah?!

*throws witty comeback at you*

How do you like that!

Also, in honor of this spooky Time of the year, people... what is that one really creepy part of a Video Game that really got to ya? Doesn't have to be only horror games, as plenty of non-horror games has the most scary situations~
My wisdom teeth getting pulled
Games never really scared me that much, though I remember being a bit scared by the levels with Shocker from Spiderman (movie adaptation) on the GC and Monster Oc from Spiderman 1 on PS1
 

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Taylor is pretty sue happy lately.

But the thing is a lot of the times she has no grounds which is why you never hear about her cases getting anywhere.

You can't really sue a show for a parody of you.

Especially considering sometimes the parody is so off from reality, or lol in the case of Jared Fogle the reality was worse than what South Park said about him.
 
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You know, the XCX censorship is, in a way, Nintendo censoring their own game for the Western versions. NoA and NoE are still part of Nintendo, after all.

(Ironic we're talking about XCX while I listen to a live concert by the game's composer.)
 
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Oh yeah?!

*throws witty comeback at you*

How do you like that!

Also, in honor of this spooky Time of the year, people... what is that one really creepy part of a Video Game that really got to ya? Doesn't have to be only horror games, as plenty of non-horror games has the most scary situations~
When I was a 6 or 7 my step father let me watch him play Silent Hill 2. I had nightmares about the game back then, but now I can't get enough of the first 4.
Also, Ikana Canyon and the shadow temple/under the well will always be my favorite areas in Zelda.

The ghosts from Luigi's mansion spooked me too...
 

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Also Katy Perry. There's another big pop icon that's not really parodied by South Park.

Both her and Taylor have had plenty of stuff that gives them comedy potential, yet Matt and Trey haven't touch either of them really.

Taylor's appeared, but the jokes were either about memes or Bill Cosby. While Katy hasn't even been mentioned.

Just kind of odd to me considering they've both kind of filled the pop void that Britney once championed.
 
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We're at a point where everything offends people, even censorship is offending people nowadays
Everything but
Etrian Odyssey, of course!
You make your own headcanon so it's technically only on your game!
So you can make a perfectly trigger-free adventure with diversity!
Want that Troubadour in skimpy clothes to be underage? You can do it!. Want that guy over there to be a racist, homophobic and sexist asshole? I... guess you can do it!
You want that Sovereign to be an assexual non-binary trans? **** yeah, you can!
You want your Bear that you are training to fight monsters take out a survival knife and cut that branch? Don't worry, the game has gotten you covered on that!
#shamelessplug
#can'tstopwon'tstop
 
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Censorship isn't really that complex. There are pretty obvious things that are considered bad by everyone such as murder, ****, body mutilation, gangs, and etc. Things such as these should definitely be censored if they are airing to the general public as kids can get the wrong idea if exposed to these things at early ages that affects their lives as time goes on. Time has shown that the influences a child or teen have that are the loudest end up impacting huge parts of their lives, and if that loud part is one of the things listed above instead of stronger mental fortitude being passed down to them in some way, they will most likely end up doing bad things or having a poor scope of thought not having the stable mindset to be able to approach negative or disgusting subjects.

As far as being too sensitive for some things being censored, I feel that isn't the case. I find that having more time to build yourself up while you are young under the right influences lets you handle the wrong influences. Censorship hasn't gotten to the point where we don't have any negative impacts in our lives, everyone still has plenty of that regardless.
I disagree on both counts.

First off, if something has violence, sex, or content not appropriate for children, then it's clearly not meant for children in the first place, and thus, should not be broadcast to then in the first place.

This is why the rating system exists.

Simply label it with the appropriate rating, and let the intended audience enjoy it as it's meant to.

2nd, it has been proven time and again that violence in videogames, cinema, books, etc... has no correlation to gang violence or making people more violent and so forth.

The only thing it truly does, is it desensitizes people to it. Is that good or bad? Well, it's a bit of both, but it addresses your last point.

A videogame or cinematic depiction of violence is just that, fiction, and it pales in comparison to the real thing. There is no account for the stfling fear and the adrenalin rush felt during a true fight or flight scenario. And that's because humans are able to make a distinction between fiction and reality.

Lastly, again, how do you objectively qualify something as good or bad when the values of society are always changing? Even if everyone collectively agrees at one point that something is worth censoring, many years down the line, they might feel otherwise.

For example, did you know that at some point, showing two people kiss on film was always considered too risque, and would always be covered up or even edited out?

Look how far we've come...

In addition, I'll also cite censorship in Japanese porn as an example of evolving values in society. Only reason they're still censoring it is cause no politician wants to be the perv that made uncensored porn legal. :p
 

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You know what horror game I feel should get a sequel? Eternal Darkness. I want something that messes with me and doesn't try jumpscares all the time. And before anyone mentions fnaf, I'll say this: They do jumpscares right
there was going to be a sequel/spiritual successor but silicon knights was a pretty bad studio so that died
 
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To people who watched the latest season of South Park. What did they do to Caitlyn Jenner? Tired off her getting constant praise and being the perfect transwoman or something, I hope they got her real good tbh
They mostly ripped on the SJWs saying she was a hero, and then referenced the car accident to show how she used her sex change as a means to distract people from the fact she ran over someone.

I'll assume you missed the Walking Dead thing from yesterday
I heard something, but didn't really pay attention to the mess.

Some Asian dude that never dies died or something, right?
 
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They mostly ripped on the SJWs saying she was a hero, and then referenced the car accident to show how she used her sex change as a means to distract people from the fact she ran over someone.



I heard something, but didn't really pay attention to the mess.

Some Asian dude that never dies died or something, right?
No, I'm talking about the guy who shot his friemd because he thought he was a zombie
there was going to be a sequel/spiritual successor but silicon knights was a pretty bad studio so that died
There was that.
And also that one of the devs got caught on selling child porn
 
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I disagree on both counts.

First off, if something has violence, sex, or content not appropriate for children, then it's clearly not meant for children in the first place, and thus, should not be broadcast to then in the first place.

This is why the rating system exists.

Simply label it with the appropriate rating, and let the intended audience enjoy it as it's meant to.
The rating system only does so much when it's aired for everyone to see. The rating system is also flawed in that you can take your children to see Rated R movies as long as the parent says it's okay. The ESRB has that same issue.

Why is it flawed? It's because it doesn't actually stop anyone from doing anything. It's intention as you mention isn't used correctly. So we may have something intended for 17 and up, but as far as most people are concerned that matters not, especially to a child who unsupervised will latch onto these things as they are curious.

Parenting needs to be more involved, but kids can be crafty as well. I've seen numerous times walking into GameStop that a kid suckers their parents into buying a M rated game while the parent is displeased with doing so, they submit to the kid so they don't upset the kid.

Ratings don't do much of anything as far as our execution as consumers go.

2nd, it has been proven time and again that violence in videogames, cinema, books, etc... has no correlation to gang violence or making people more violent and so forth.

The only thing it truly does, is it desensitizes people to it. Is that good or bad? Well, it's a bit of both, but it addresses your last point.

A videogame or cinematic depiction of violence is just that, fiction, and it pales in comparison to the real thing. There is no account for the stfling fear and the adrenalin rush felt during a true fight or flight scenario. And that's because humans are able to make a distinction between fiction and reality.
Actually, a video game itself doesn't make someone violent. A person who doesn't know how to entirely grasp the concept of what is being perceived to them and thus, as I mentioned previously, lacking mental fortitude built up before being exposed to these violent or sexual things ends up impacting them if they aren't ready. It does impact things.

As far as desensitize, that's a feeling you probably feel when you witness content such as this. For me? I've played all kinds of games such as this and I've never gotten desensitized by it. Usually if I find something incredibly wrong, it stays that way if it truly is wrong or bad.

Most people can make the distinction between a video game and reality, but that is not to say an influence of fiction cannot influence someone who is understands what is reality. I watch the Yu-Gi-Oh! anime and will play the cards in real life because of the influence the show gave me. It's not so cut and dry as that, but just about anything can have an effect on you for better or for worse. If a kid is struggling with his life and or many of the other variables, ends up approaching something sexual like porn or violence at a young age and uses this as his scapegoat, it will affect him or her in one way or the other.

I personally know people who had this happen to them and it took them half their life to overcome it.

Lastly, again, how do you objectively qualify something as good or bad when the values of society are always changing? Even if everyone collectively agrees at one point that something is worth censoring, many years down the line, they might feel otherwise.

For example, did you know that at some point, showing two people kiss on film was always considered too risque, and would always be covered up or even edited out?

Look how far we've come...
Censoring should be done if the audience will be bothered by it and if that audience is the general public. For those that truly want to see the uncensored version, there should be a medium available which usually is via unrated or uncensored variants. The general public cannot so easily control what comes on the TV outside or shutting it off, and there's no telling what a kid might watch at a friend's or whatever.

It's better to watch out for something that might harm people mentally over those that are wanting to see something more graphic because it's the true material.

In addition, I'll also cite censorship in Japanese porn as an example of evolving values in society. Only reason they're still censoring it is cause no politician wants to be the perv that made uncensored porn legal. :p
Japan only recently began making minors illegal to engage sex with and many got away with it. I agree with a lot of Japan values, but a lot of the sexual stuff over there I tend to not agree with. That's another subject for another time, though.
 

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The rating system only does so much when it's aired for everyone to see. The rating system is also flawed in that you can take your children to see Rated R movies as long as the parent says it's okay. The ESRB has that same issue.

Why is it flawed? It's because it doesn't actually stop anyone from doing anything. It's intention as you mention isn't used correctly. So we may have something intended for 17 and up, but as far as most people are concerned that matters not, especially to a child who unsupervised will latch onto these things as they are curious.

Parenting needs to be more involved, but kids can be crafty as well. I've seen numerous times walking into GameStop that a kid suckers their parents into buying a M rated game while the parent is displeased with doing so, they submit to the kid so they don't upset the kid.

Ratings don't do much of anything as far as our execution as consumers go.



Actually, a video game itself doesn't make someone violent. A person who doesn't know how to entirely grasp the concept of what is being perceived to them and thus, as I mentioned previously, lacking mental fortitude built up before being exposed to these violent or sexual things ends up impacting them if they aren't ready. It does impact things.

As far as desensitize, that's a feeling you probably feel when you witness content such as this. For me? I've played all kinds of games such as this and I've never gotten desensitized by it. Usually if I find something incredibly wrong, it stays that way if it truly is wrong or bad.

Most people can make the distinction between a video game and reality, but that is not to say an influence of fiction cannot influence someone who is understands what is reality. I watch the Yu-Gi-Oh! anime and will play the cards in real life because of the influence the show gave me. It's not so cut and dry as that, but just about anything can have an effect on you for better or for worse. If a kid is struggling with his life and or many of the other variables, ends up approaching something sexual like porn or violence at a young age and uses this as his scapegoat, it will affect him or her in one way or the other.

I personally know people who had this happen to them and it took them half their life to overcome it.



Censoring should be done if the audience will be bothered by it and if that audience is the general public. For those that truly want to see the uncensored version, there should be a medium available which usually is via unrated or uncensored variants. The general public cannot so easily control what comes on the TV outside or shutting it off, and there's no telling what a kid might watch at a friend's or whatever.

It's better to watch out for something that might harm people mentally over those that are wanting to see something more graphic because it's the true material.


Japan only recently began making minors illegal to engage sex with and many got away with it. I agree with a lot of Japan values, but a lot of the sexual stuff over there I tend to not agree with. That's another subject for another time, though.
*ignores most of what you said* So...uh...what kind of deck do you play? I used to play Wind-Ups but after the Magician and Carrier bans I switched to Ninjas
 
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Damn, I always miss the good conversations. I will say, though, that there is no "right" kind of censorship.

Also, that girl sure as hell doesn't look 13.
 
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*ignores most of what you said* So...uh...what kind of deck do you play? I used to play Wind-Ups but after the Magician and Carrier bans I switched to Ninjas
Yubel is my fav, but Yubel is unplayable these days due to Breakthrough Skill and the power creep of DCEU.

So, I play Nurse Reficule Burn Deck now. I made a Sattelar Knight player rage when I beat him in two turns. lol

How are ninjas? I've never played against them.

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Still on the topic of censorship, I'm pretty sure there have been cases of non-Japanese games to have been censored in Japan for whatever reason, usually realistic violence.

Can't recall any particular case, but I remember reading about it somewhere.
 
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Honestly, while I think censorship is fine, I'll always remember of Tharja when the topic is brought up because of how it was handled
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