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[Swamp Sensei]

They're all completely different in form, function, story and design?

But couldn't things change over time?

I mean if Zora evolve into Rito, then I can easily see some cities being rebuilt and races evolving into other things.

 

[Z25]

The Ontological Loop is my favorite time travel trope. That time is a circle with no beginning or end, rather than a straight line. I don't consider it all that complicated an idea, the problem comes when people tried to figure out what happened 'first', but the very nature of the loop means nothing was first.



They're all completely different in form, function, story and design?

At first time travel stuff doesn't confuse me, but the more I think about a scenario the more confused I get.
And I can understand Swamp's point on the temples, at least the city in the sky and skyloft. This drummed up that theory:

 

[Luigi The President]

Hey guys, here's a question.

Who do you think, realistically, our next "WFT" will be? A completely out of bounds, unexpected fighter.

 

[Opossum]

So I realized I never put my theories on them in.

Basically, I firmly believe the Parella became the Zora. That type of extreme evolution isn't new for the series, or even the Zora in particular, since they're confirmed to have become the Rito. It's supported by the art direction requiring them to be "primitive looking" and fits, since it's a cnidarian becoming a more bony fish creature, a much more complex animal, before becoming a bird.

Kikwi...are a bit more of a stretch, but I'm in support of the theory that they became the Kokiri, who then became the Korok. It'd fit the whole Double-K forest creature thing. It'd also help to explain the Kokiri wearing green tunics: it started as a Kikwi tradition in which they wear clothing reminiscent of the hero who helped their race way back when.

Remlits likely evolved into regular cats over time, now that the land is able to be populated. Rather simple.

I'm...less optimistic about the Loftwing and Mogma, though. Loftwings are based on the shoebill, after all, which are a threatened species, so it's not unrealistic to think they may have gone extinct due to over-hunting by races that revere them less than the Skyloftians. At the very least, they're an incredibly endangered species in modern Hyrule.

And Mogma I just think are outright extinct, likely to have died in a volcanic eruption. There's no way they, say, became the Goron, since Gorons already exist in Skyward Sword. Sorry, Mogmas, you are the weakest link (heh), goodbye.

 

[Z25]

Hey guys, here's a question.

Who do you think, realistically, our next "WFT" will be? A completely out of bounds, unexpected fighter.

I don't think we will see one as DLC, but if there was one The onlly true WTF choice that would work from the ballot, would be Reckless Safety Man, which probably won't happen, but it be hilarious if he did. Sakurai would be like: "wait this was a joke suggestion? **** Never ask me for anything again!"

 

[vaanrose]

But couldn't things change over time?

I mean if Zora evolve into Rito, then I can easily see some cities being rebuilt and races evolving into other things.

The Zora 'evolved' through Divine Intervention. The gods literally took away their ability to swim so they wouldn't discover Hyrule at the bottom of the ocean.

The City in the Sky in TP is implied to be centuries old, and long abandoned. It certainly seems to me like it's older than Hyrule Castle, which wouldn't really line up timeline wise if we accept SS to be the founding of Hyrule.

 

[Chrono.]

Hey guys, here's a question.

Who do you think, realistically, our next "WFT" will be? A completely out of bounds, unexpected fighter.

The only one who could be a 2nd WFT would probably be Reckless Safety Man and he's implausible and a meme and thus, well known.

I don't know if anyone could be a 2nd WFT really.

 

[Khoru]

Why not just call Triforce Heroes totally non-canon? It's not like we've included Link's Crossbow Training into the timeline anywhere, IMO this isn't much different. It's a game built around a gimmick using Zelda characters, why not enjoy it for what it is and let it go?

Or, you know, the easy solution would be to stop bringing up Link entirely, say "None of these guys are Link, they're all pretenders," and there you have it. Purple Link is thus irrelevant because none of them are Link.

Spoiler: ending spoilers? it's zelda lol

i only skimmed through it because i don't care about the lore of 2d zeldas that much but i think the ending of the game had green link w/o green hair? so idk

So here's a neat thing to discuss.

Skyward Sword is, going by the timeline, the first Legend of Zelda game chronologically. However, it also introduced many species and races not seen in "later" games. So...what do you think happened to species like the Kikwi, Mogma, Parella, Loftwing, Remlit, and others?

Any theories?

you've pretty much summed up my thoughts on your own but
once i tried making a phylogenetic tree with stuff from zelda?
it never really worked out because it was overambitious but now i know a ton more about evolutionary bio than i did before

 

[kylexv]

LOOKS LIKE STAR WARS EPISODE VII IS GOING TO BE BIGGER AND BETTER BOYS.

Spoiler: Episode VII Poster

lol I'm dying right now.
This is great.

 

[Oasis Dealer]

These Zelda theories really get confusing at times for me lol. I'm fine with some since they make sense, but stuff like "Was Link dead in Majora's Mask?" is what really gets me annoyed.

 

[Z25]

These Zelda theories really get confusing at times for me lol. I'm fine with some since they make sense, but stuff like "Was Link dead in Majora's Mask?" is what really gets me annoyed.

Why that one, it makes sense if you consider it?

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Speaking of Zelda, this is a cool Easter Egg.

 

[vaanrose]

So I realized I never put my theories on them in.

Basically, I firmly believe the Parella became the Zora. That type of extreme evolution isn't new for the series, or even the Zora in particular, since they're confirmed to have become the Rito. It's supported by the art direction requiring them to be "primitive looking" and fits, since it's a cnidarian becoming a more bony fish creature, a much more complex animal, before becoming a bird.

Kikwi...are a bit more of a stretch, but I'm in support of the theory that they became the Kokiri, who then became the Korok. It'd fit the whole Double-K forest creature thing. It'd also help to explain the Kokiri wearing green tunics: it started as a Kikwi tradition in which they wear clothing reminiscent of the hero who helped their race way back when.

Remlits likely evolved into regular cats over time, now that the land is able to be populated. Rather simple.

I'm...less optimistic about the Loftwing and Mogma, though. Loftwings are based on the shoebill, after all, which are a threatened species, so it's not unrealistic to think they may have gone extinct due to over-hunting by races that revere them less than the Skyloftians. At the very least, they're an incredibly endangered species in modern Hyrule.

And Mogma I just think are outright extinct, likely to have died in a volcanic eruption. There's no way they, say, became the Goron, since Gorons already exist in Skyward Sword. Sorry, Mogmas, you are the weakest link (heh), goodbye.

I really don't like the theory that the Kikwi are in any way related to the Kokiri. The Kokiri, even in their Korok form, are a bunch of children, in universe created by the Deku Tree. How do you rectify that with big old Kyu-Kyuuuuuuuuuu?

The far simpler explanation for the Kokiri is that the Korok is their natural form, and they took on Link's form when the Deku Tree took him in. This includes the curious green garb, which is depicted as fairly big and baggy on Young Link. I like to think the clothing is his father's, or even his mother's, and the Kokiri simply patterned themselves after it. This allows for SS Link and any others prior to OoT to wear what was 'originally' explained as Kokiri clothing in OoT.

As for the Parella, my biggest problem with the idea that they become the Zora is that the Zora's rapid transformation into the Rito was demonstrated to be magical in nature. They don't even naturally grow their own wings. It seems unlikely for a single race to evolve as fast they would need to between SS and OoT, but doubly so when the other races, like the Hylian and Goron, remain completely the same. And OoT's King Zora's full title is actually King Zora De Bon XVI. At least sixteen generations of King Zoras came before him!

Yet, in TP, we meet this same King Zora's wife (we know it's the same King Zora because Anouma clarified such in a post-release interview, and the game itself explicitly states the late King Zora created the Zora Tunic for the old hero, which is confirmed in HH to be the Hero of Time) at least a century after OoT, which means the Zora are incredibly long lived creatures. The timeframe is just too great for the Parella to be the Zora, imo.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

I am playing through Pandora's Tower.

There is a bug that freezes the game if you try to go the the 11th or 12th tower again.

Nintendo, what the absolute ****, this should not have been released like this.

 

[Oasis Dealer]

Why that one, it makes sense if you consider it?

I mean, I can kinda understand the knight in Twilight Princess being Link's ancestor, but people make it seem like hes' dead during Majora's Mask. Like I said though, I'm confused by these theories and never try to get into therm.

Also, that Etika poll is funny to watch Sora, Shovel Knight, Snake, and Shantae fight over the top spot. It's funny when you also notice they all start with S.

 

[Z25]

I mean, I can kinda understand the knight in Twilight Princess being Link's ancestor, but people make it seem like hes' dead during Majora's Mask. Like I said though, I'm confused by these theories and never try to get into therm.

Also, that Etika poll is funny to watch Sora, Shovel Knight, Snake, and Shantae fight over the top spot. It's funny when you also notice they all stary with S.

I see the Knight one as more of a fact, there is one line( can't remember it exactly), that links hero's shade to the OOT Link, plus( while this technically isn't always right) Hyriule Historia states it is that hero as well. As for the Link is dead theory, it could be true, but also a coincidence. Have you read it? If so, what would you say is a flaw to it?

 

[OurBraveHero]

I mean, I can kinda understand the knight in Twilight Princess being Link's ancestor, but people make it seem like hes' dead during Majora's Mask. Like I said though, I'm confused by these theories and never try to get into therm.

Also, that Etika poll is funny to watch Sora, Shovel Knight, Snake, and Shantae fight over the top spot. It's funny when you also notice they all start with S.

It is SSSSSUPER SSSSSMASSSH BROTHERSSSSS after all. :V

Spoiler

In terms of the next like "super unexpected character" I'm not sure. I know ROB is technically the "Gyromite" rep, but imagine if we got Professor Hector in for some reason? I think that'd be a pretty heavy blow to everyone in terms of unexpected.

or like... Milon from Milon's Secret Castle. or Peter Pepper from Burgertime?

 

[LIQUID12A]

Spoiler: off topic

****ing Hurricane Patricia ravaging Southwest Mexico and it's going to cleave right through the country...

 

[Chrono.]

Spoiler: off topic

****ing Hurricane Patricia ravaging Southwest Mexico and it's going to cleave right through the country...

Stay safe man.

 

[Rebellious Treecko]

Hey guys, here's a question.

Who do you think, realistically, our next "WFT" will be? A completely out of bounds, unexpected fighter.

Real-life air molecules.

Aside from that, maybe...Ridley? (at this point)

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[Dravidian]

Not when one side is clearly being prejudiced
He said he can't believe there are trans people that aren't "homossexual", and I put it in quotes because he didn't mean an actual trans gay person

But whatever, let's not turn this into an actual argument

???
Sorry, I wasn't trying to start an argument.
I was just saying that people should try to listen to each other; though, yes, prejudice often prevents that.

Spoiler: continuation of topic you're not obligated to read

That said, I understand how the concept of being both can be confusing to some. The first time I heard someone say "lesbian in a man's body" I legit had to stop and ponder for a sec. There are a ton of view points to look at that example from and a ton of variables, both subjective and objective, affecting those views. I mean there's even some views that say biological sex (not just gender) is a social construct. There's a lot of views and a lot of overlap.

It's obviously not a 1:1 correlation, but there's a ton of people who for some reason or another believe you cant believe in God and believe science. Whether or not that statement is makes sense or not depends on subjective factors like what it means "to believe science" or "to believe in God".


So many beliefs are just that: beliefs, neither inherently right nor wrong. Some, usually the "better" ones, are more globally accepted; not being considered 3/5ths human is awesome. Personally I've just learned to keep moving. There's a ton of people who will disagree with our beliefs; some will be objectively sound/feeble or subjectively understandable/questionable. We just gotta decide what's worth spending time debating about and what isn't worth our time.

But, I've prattled on long enough.

Regardless of your belief's or your father's I hope you both can come to an amiable conclusion even if you cant come to an agreement; that was the main intent of my original post. To me, that's more important than being right or wrong.

 

[Chrono.]

Lol the next Japanese Splatfest is Love vs Money.

 

[SegaNintendoUbisoft]

Spoiler: off topic

****ing Hurricane Patricia ravaging Southwest Mexico and it's going to cleave right through the country...

That sucks dude, I pray for your safety.

 

[A Distant Demon]

Lol the next Japanese Splatfest is Love vs Money.

What happens if you love money?

Money every time.

 

[SegaNintendoUbisoft]

Lol the next Japanese Splatfest is Love vs Money.

I'm very interested to hear Callie and Marie's comments on this.

 

[LIQUID12A]

Spoiler: this is still off topic

Twice the size of Katrina. 200 mph. Calculated to the the strongest hurricane yet to the point of it being considered labeled a CATEGORY 7 and it's passing directly though.

I want to cry.

Stay safe man.

That sucks dude, I pray for your safety.

Thank you, really.

 

[Tree Gelbman]

I'm very interested to hear Callie and Marie's comments on this.

One of em is gonna be a gold digger and I'm kind of here for that.

 

[Deleted member]

Hey guys, here's a question.

Who do you think, realistically, our next "WFT" will be? A completely out of bounds, unexpected fighter.

In order for someone to be a new "WFT", they have to be someone that makes sense as a character option in hindsight, yet hardly anyone seriously considers them as an option beforehand.

That's a rather tough order.
Especially when people try to determine who such a character might be. Then it outright defeats the purpose.

 

[CyberHyperPhoenix]

Spoiler: this is still off topic

Twice the size of Katrina. 200 mph. Calculated to the the strongest hurricane yet to the point of it being considered labeled a CATEGORY 7 and it's passing directly though.

I want to cry.

Thank you, really.

Bruh.

Category 7?

Wow, thats scary af.

I echo SegaNintendoUbisoft 's sentiments. I hope things work out in your favour

 

[vaanrose]

One of em is gonna be a gold digger and I'm kind of here for that.

We all know it's Marie.

 

[SegaNintendoUbisoft]

Spoiler: this is still off topic

Twice the size of Katrina. 200 mph. Calculated to the the strongest hurricane yet to the point of it being considered labeled a CATEGORY 7 and it's passing directly though.

I want to cry.

Thank you, really.

Don't mention it, I'm scared too that such a hurricane even exists, that thing is a monster!

 

[Deleted member]

Holy crap. May you get out of this unscathed, Liquid......

 

[Opossum]

Speaking of Zelda, this is a cool Easter Egg.

I smiled so hard when Ballad of the Windfish started playing.

Hell, I smile whenever Nintendo references Link's Awakening.


Also holy hell, stay safe Liquid. I didn't realize it was that severe of a storm. Seriously, stay safe!

 

[CyberHyperPhoenix]

One of em is gonna be a gold digger and I'm kind of here for that.

We all know it's Marie.

She take my ink when I'm in need,

Yeah she's a squiding friend indeed.

Oh she's a gold digger way over town.
That squids on me.

(She gives me ink!)

Now I ain't say she's a gold digger.... (when I'm in need!)

But she ain't messin' with no broke squids.

 

[Champ Gold]

LIQUID12A stay safe friend


Especially considering I need to watch this storm because there's a possibility that it might swing towards the Gulf into Galveston right into Houston.

Oh damn, I don't need the flooding

 

[Kingslime304]

Which character from a Smash Bros. flash game do you want to return in a Official Smash Bros. game? (Anime, Aether characters, and Fanmade ones do not count).
Edit: I change the rules with Lloyd being avaible.

 

[Chrono.]

Which character from a Smash Bros. flash game do you want to return in a Official Smash Bros. game? (Anime, Aether characters, Fanmade and Lloyd do not count).

Why not Lloyd? He's a video game character at least.

 

[Opossum]

Which character from a Smash Bros. flash game do you want to return in a Official Smash Bros. game? (Anime, Aether characters, Fanmade and Lloyd do not count).

Chibi-Robo, definitely.

 

[Kingslime304]

Why not Lloyd? He's a video game character at least.

Because to me, he obvious that people will pick him.

 

[Deleted member]

Which character from a Smash Bros. flash game do you want to return in a Official Smash Bros. game? (Anime, Aether characters, Fanmade and Lloyd do not count).

I can understand excluding the anime characters, RoA characters (which doesn't count as a Smash fangame to begin with) and fanmade characters, but Lloyd?
Give me one good reason why people can't answer with Lloyd (as in, not something like "because Pac-Man").

Because to me, he obvious that people will pick him.

Might as well say Ridley is not allowed as well, considering Super Smash Bros. Crusade.