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[Burb]

Alex Kidd isn't obscure though, he's probably the second most known SEGA character (obviously not counting Sonic friends, ugh); Also, for a Mii Costume isn't something very hard to do, since there already at least three or four 3D Models for him;
--I mean, if Akira can get in..

This isn't about him as a Mii Costume, this is about him as a fully playable character.

LOL at him being the "second most known SEGA character". That's not true at all.

 

[Chrono.]

SEGA's second child is NiGHTS, if anyone.

 

[NintenZ]

This isn't about him as a Mii Costume, this is about him as a fully playable character.

LOL at him being the "second most known SEGA character". That's not true at all.

Who is the second most known, Miku?

 

[Khoru]

Alex Kidd isn't obscure though, he's probably the second most known SEGA character (obviously not counting Sonic friends, ugh); Also, for a Mii Costume isn't something very hard to do, since there already at least three or four 3D Models for him;
--I mean, if Akira can get in..

The Master System and SEGA Genesis games of Alex Kidd are very popular and beloved, at least around here; People has the same nostalgia with him as they have with Sonic (maybe even more); --At games like All-Stars Racing, is always a big deal having him in the cast.. He even was a Christmas special DLC in the last one, if I'm not mistaken.

nights appears in like all of the sega crossovers, monkey ball is pretty successful... hell, even bayonetta is more recognizable from recency

 

[Burb]

Who is the second most known, Miku?

I don't know who'd be in second excluding another Sonic character, but I know the grand majority of them are more recognizable than Alex Kidd.

 

[CyberWolfBia]

This isn't about him as a Mii Costume, this is about him as a fully playable character.

LOL at him being the "second most known SEGA character". That's not true at all.

I lost the part of him being a Fully Playable character; Last time I was here, it was about having him as Brawler costumes; :\/... but in that case, I don't believe SEGA getting another character.
~and who would be another non-Sonic character that SEGA has which is globally known? NiGHTS?.. people barely had a SEGA Saturn. :T.. at least Alex Kidd is from a popular console with many games tied to his image;

 

[Chandeelure]

Geno and now Alex Kidd?
Sorry, but you are going to be really dissapointed.

 

[Burb]

I lost the part of him being a Fully Playable character; Last time I was here, it was about having him as Brawler costumes; :\/...

> Sees Metal Mario
> Sees Alex Kidd Wig, Outfit (Brawler)
"AAAAAAAAHHH!!!!"

if this is real then what was Sakurai thinking!? why would he pick a 3rd Mario over another gaming console mascot!? this sounds stupid i hope its fake.

 

[Geno Boost]

Alex Kidd in Smash is definetly random due to how obscure he is as a third-party candidate.

Obscure is not everything and was never stated as a reason for 3rd party choices from sakurai

Sega's failed first attempt at a mascot is about as random and useless as it gets.

He stayed 5 years at least and SEGA tried there best, Alex Kidd seires didn't fail if we are speaking of Sega master system games also I won't call him useless unless if he doesn't represent something special at all

I'm sorry but a third party character that hasn't had a new game released in their own series for 25 years is definitely "random"
People won't recognise him and if they do it'll mainly be from the SEGA crossovers, not the Alex Kidd series.

A lot of people recognize him I have seen tons of videos about him (mostly from Europe) he appeared in a lot of SEGA games outside of his franchise and remember he was here since 29 years ago he is probably recognizeable but his franchise can't come back because of Sonic

 

[Burb]

He stayed 5 years at least and SEGA tried there best, Alex Kidd seires didn't fail if we are speaking of Sega master system games also I won't call him useless unless if he doesn't represent something special at all

He doesn't represent something "special".

There is nothing Alex Kidd represents that Sonic doesn't already except the Alex Kidd series.

 

[CyberWolfBia]

I dunno.. NiGHTS is pretty forgettable, IMO.. if there are some character only known by crossovers, might be her (him?.. I don't know the character gender, sorry); Bayonetta is too "new", but I guess there is some merit about her being in a game so popular (and all the Bayo2 deal with Nintendo helps too);.. Miku is even considered a SEGA character? (they just have the license for the character, isn't it?)
Alex Kidd, in other hand, have a lot people talking always about him.. and begging for a new game or re-releases. But maybe I'm too attached about his fame in Brazil;

 

[True Blue Warrior]

Obscure is not everything and was never stated as a reason for 3rd party choices from sakurai

Yes, because Sakurai stating he's not just going to have just any character as third-party character, him emphasising the iconiciness of Mega Man, Pac-Man and Sonic when discussing Pac-Man after his reveal trailer and his statement about third-party characters being a special occassion isn't indication that he has high standards for third-party characters, a standard that no niche third-party character meets due to not being special enough.

 

[Schnee117]

A lot of people recognize him I have seen tons of videos about him (mostly from Europe) he appeared in a lot of SEGA games outside of his franchise and remember he was here since 29 years ago he is probably recognizeable but his franchise can't come back because of Sonic

Going by how you define "a lot" I'm just going to laugh.
Several other SEGA characters have appeared out of their franchise and have far more recency than Alex Kidd. Jet Set Radio, Virtua Fighter, Super Monkey Ball and NiGHTS come to mind.
He's been dead for 25 of those 29 years.

 

[CyberWolfBia]

the three most known SEGA Master System games around here are:
Sonic The Hedgehog, Alex Kidd in Miracle World and Wonder Boy in Monster Land (which was sold here by Tec-Toy as a Monica's Gang game, titled "Mônica no Castelo do Dragão" [Monica in the Castle of Dragon]); ~of course, Sonic overshadowed Alex Kidd here as in any other country, but still, the Master System was the best selling SEGA console here, and is still selling! Alex Kidd's popularity was extended because of it, and the sequels and such still got a lot of praise.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Reddit is sure taking a positive look on the ballot polls, hopefully I'll get some substantial results. If you guys haven't voted for all please do so.Every vote counts.

 

[CyberWolfBia]

but to be clear; I don't think that Alex has big chances to become a fully playable character (sadly; but I think he deserves and he should, if any other SEGA character can be added); But if there are some slight chance for a Mii Costume, it's seems a pretty natural and very likely option to represent him.

 

[SuperMii3D]

Were not seriously going to start an argument about Alex Kidd, right guys?!

Right?

...

 

[Chrono.]

Animal Crossing level in SMM

 

[Champ Gold]

@ CyberWolfBia Look, I know from your region, Alex Kidd has some significance, even in Europe in small cases but after the MS games, his popularity dropped like a rock. And then he was straight thrown away and buried after Sonic 1 came out and was a massive success.

He didn't matter for Sega for almost 2 decades until they used him for collection titles.

When it comes to non-Sonic Sega reps, NiGHTS have some sort of lead against most franchises due to him being a second popular character (Europe really loves NiGHTS and has fond joy for the Saturn, despite getting overtaken by Playstation). After that, none don't have any stay.

JSR is niche despite the love it gets, Shinobi doesn't stand out as much, Bayonetta is kinda new and is more related to Platinum (and as of now Nintendo because of the costumes and Easter eggs in the sequel), Phantasy Star was a major franchise to Sega but being stuck to one region will never help its cause and everything else is too small for itself.

Atlus itself is the only thing that'll have anyone good enough to be a number 2 rep outside of NiGHTS with Jack Frost since he can represent the MegaTen series as a whole which has a lot of popularity especially it's 2 sub series (SMT & Persona). But he's a pipedream

 

[Kenith]

Sakurai is missing the Sora Ltd stickers(?) on Sonic and Ness.

Of course Sakurai arranges his Smash amiibos in the in-game order the characters are placed in. Of course he does.

This isn't about him as a Mii Costume, this is about him as a fully playable character.
LOL at him being the "second most known SEGA character". That's not true at all.

The second most known SEGA character is a Sonic character.
And the 3rd through 15th, are also all Sonic characters.

 

[Geno Boost]

He doesn't represent something "special".

There is nothing Alex Kidd represents that Sonic doesn't already except the Alex Kidd series.

He does not represent only his seires, he represent a whole Sega master system kids generation and another gaming console and a mascot from a big company and a rival this is something special in the video games history because Sega master system is an invention just like the zapper and other gaming invention stuffs Alex Kidd does represent this

Going by how you define "a lot" I'm just going to laugh.
Several other SEGA characters have appeared out of their franchise and have far more recency than Alex Kidd. Jet Set Radio, Virtua Fighter, Super Monkey Ball and NiGHTS come to mind.
He's been dead for 25 of those 29 years.

Relevance is not everything I can agree virtual fighter is more popular than Alex Kidd because of the seires was outside of the gaming community but that doesn't mean relevance is the most important thing the 3rd party should have.
his seires is dead but the character is not dead

Yes, because Sakurai stating he's not just going to have just any character as third-party character, him emphasising the iconiciness of Mega Man, Pac-Man and Sonic when discussing Pac-Man after his reveal trailer and his statement about third-party characters being a special occassion isn't indication that he has high standards for third-party characters, a standard that no niche third-party character meets due to not being special enough.

he never said "obscure" as reason if he said then give me a proof.

 

[Burb]

Were not seriously going to start an argument about Alex Kidd, right guys?!

Right?

...

We've reached the point in the argument where people start the "(sigh) Another argument! >:I" posts.

Oh boy.

 

[Kenith]

Reminder that Alex Kidd was abandoned as a mascot for Sonic the Hedgehog because SEGA didn't think it was even possible for him to be nearly as successful as Mario.

The only times he's seen the light of day again are in Sega crossovers as Sega's own sort of "retro character", and that perfectly makes sense. Alex Kidd IS a part of Sega's history...but he is 0% a part of Nintendo's. And far from a gaming icon that stands on his own.

 

[CyberWolfBia]

@ CyberWolfBia Look, I know from your region, Alex Kidd has some significance, even in Europe in small cases but after the MS games, his popularity dropped like a rock. And then he was straight thrown away and buried after Sonic 1 came out and was a massive success.

He didn't matter for Sega for almost 2 decades until they used him for collection titles.

When it comes to non-Sonic Sega reps, NiGHTS have some sort of lead against most franchises due to him being a second popular character (Europe really loves NiGHTS and has fond joy for the Saturn, despite getting overtaken by Playstation). After that, none don't have any stay.

JSR is niche despite the love it gets, Shinobi doesn't stand out as much, Bayonetta is kinda new and is more related to Platinum (and as of now Nintendo because of the costumes and Easter eggs in the sequel), Phantasy Star was a major franchise to Sega but being stuck to one region will never help its cause and everything else is too small for itself.

Atlus itself is the only thing that'll have anyone good enough to be a number 2 rep outside of NiGHTS with Jack Frost since he can represent the MegaTen series as a whole which has a lot of popularity especially it's 2 sub series (SMT & Persona). But he's a pipedream

I'm not arguing about his fall of popularity when Sonic was created; just saying that at least some globally recognition he must have, considering how big he was; --Franchises born in the Saturn and Dreamcast era aren't what I could call big, since they are both failed consoles (with exception of some regions selling more than others); even with ports, sequels and remakes in further generations and more popular systems, doesn't really compare to SEGA's memory of Master System, Game Gear and Genesis;

~then again, I don't believe that a second SEGA character could be added, and if much, would be a Sonic character.. (=_=)

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Are y'all still arguing about adding a second SEGA character?

 

[TheAnvil]

Alex Kidd isn't obscure though, he's probably the second most known SEGA character (obviously not counting Sonic friends, ugh); Also, for a Mii Costume isn't something very hard to do, since there already at least three or four 3D Models for him;
--I mean, if Akira can get in..

The Master System and SEGA Genesis games of Alex Kidd are very popular and beloved, at least around here; People has the same nostalgia with him as they have with Sonic (maybe even more); --At games like All-Stars Racing, is always a big deal having him in the cast.. He even was a Christmas special DLC in the last one, if I'm not mistaken.

Alex Kidd is VERY obscure now. He's basically been the obscure last addition unlockable character in all three of Sega's recent party games (Tennis, and the two kart games). I'm also pretty sure he's the only 1st Party IP who wasn't DLC without his own stage in SART too.

He does mean a lot to SEGA, obviously. He's their first mascot. Failed or not. But that doesn't mean anything for guest characters in Nintendo games.

Who is the second most known, Miku?

Hatsune Miku is not owned by Sega. My guess as of this moment in time, would probably be either Ryo from Shenmue, or Aiai from Monkey Ball (outside oft the Sonic series).

 

[PushDustIn]

I wrote an article on leak-busting 101. Was going to write it this morning for the NX rumor/ Metal Mario rumor but I didn't have time before work. Enjoy!

 

[CyberWolfBia]

Alex Kidd is VERY obscure now. He's basically been the obscure last addition unlockable character in all three of Sega's recent party games (Tennis, and the two kart games). I'm also pretty sure he's the only 1st Party IP who wasn't DLC without his own stage in SART too.

He does mean a lot to SEGA, obviously. He's their first mascot. Failed or not. But that doesn't mean anything for guest characters in Nintendo games.

none of the SEGA characters aside Sonic means anything big for Nintendo (not even Bayonetta); My point was just him being important enough for SEGA to be, at least, considered for something (Mii Costume, and nothing more; I'd be fooling myself waiting for him being added as a playable character);

 

[TheAnvil]

Can you guys think of many plausible characters that would sit in the 1980-1984 stage of All-Star mode? Literally the only ones I can think of that would come remotely close are DK Jr and Balloon Fighter. Though technically Duck Hunt Duo could slot in prior to that as the Duck first appeared in 1979.

Not just speaking about DLC wise, just in general.

Ice Climbers were January 1985, and depending on the source you look at Balloon Fight was first released in 1984...

 

[SlickWylde]

Are we talking about an easily fake leak that people are believing for some reason? Or is there something that more people are believing?

 

[TheAnvil]

none of the SEGA characters aside Sonic means anything big for Nintendo (not even Bayonetta); My point was just him being important enough for SEGA to be, at least, considered for something (Mii Costume, and nothing more; I'd be fooling myself waiting for him being added as a playable character);

Yeah SEGA basically has one juggernaut of a series, which is Sonic. After that there's a huge drop off in notoriety for the next ones.

No doubt, Tails (maybe Eggman) would be prioritised over any other SEGA characters.

 

[Kenith]

Can you guys think of many plausible characters that would sit in the 1980-1984 stage of All-Star mode? Literally the only ones I can think of that would come remotely close are DK Jr and Balloon Fighter. Though technically Duck Hunt Duo could slot in prior to that as the Duck first appeared in 1979.

Not just speaking about DLC wise, just in general.

Ice Climbers were January 1985, and depending on the source you look at Balloon Fight was first released in 1984...

Well, the only one I can think of is

But, I think that's 1985.
EDIT: Actually, it did come out in 1984, technically. :D

 

[PushDustIn]

Are we talking about an easily fake leak that people are believing for some reason? Or is there something that more people are believing?

I saw a lot of discussion on the Metal Mario rumor which makes absolutely 0 sense.

 

[Geno Boost]

Alex Kidd IS a part of Sega's history...but he is 0% a part of Nintendo's.

I say 3% part of Nintendo history because Master system games were released in the VC and people got a chance to play master system games without owning the console but using a Nintendo console and let's not forget he was Mario rival before Sonic. So I say 3% of Nintendo history for 3 reasons

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

I saw a lot of discussion on the Metal Mario rumor which makes absolutely 0 sense.

Metal Mario is what made it fake for me.

I mean, why isn't Pink Gold Peach there as well? Metal needs his grilfriend

 

[Kenith]

I say 3% part of Nintendo history because Master system games were released in the VC and people got a chance to play master system games without owning the console but using a Nintendo console and let's not forget he was Mario rival before Sonic. So I say 3% of Nintendo history for 3 reasons

He was never Mario's rival.
Alex Kidd was Sega's unofficial mascot...until they wanted to make a rival to Mario. Then then immediately abandoned him for Sonic. This is common knowledge.
Also, VC releases don't mean much either. A lot of games have VC releases.

 

[BluePikmin11]

Personally, I see Metal Mario as more tolerable than Shovel Knight.

 

[Strofirko]

I know it's off-topic and a weird request but someone could make a list from the non-smash characters that weren't created by EAD that appears on mario maker.

 

[egaddmario]

I saw a lot of discussion on the Metal Mario rumor which makes absolutely 0 sense.

Because Metal Mario is a quick and easy clone and seems like something that wouldn't be out of the norm for Sakurai to do. Only i think it's more an on-disc thing he'd do rather than a dlc thing he'd do. It's not real anyways though.

 

[Khoru]

I say 3% part of Nintendo history because Master system games were released in the VC and people got a chance to play master system games without owning the console but using a Nintendo console and let's not forget he was Mario rival before Sonic. So I say 3% of Nintendo history for 3 reasons

"rival" implies competition