Nintendo's First Samurai: Takamaru for SSB4 (Final Request: Ask the US HW devs to add Takamaru)

[bksbestbwoy]

*reading through some of the comments*

Is it just me or has every character support thread except Palutena and K. Rool become hopelessly pessimistic? One potentially similar attack disconfirms Takamaru? For god's sake, they're not even made of the same material... it's a liquid versus a solid... I mean... jesus... you really get much different than two completely different states of matter. Can we at least pretend we're more than a mile away from the grasping at straws stage in character speculation?

I was seriously bummed out coming into here and the Lip thread earlier. Everyone's just deflated and if it isn't that, then it's the folks who get sadistic glee from seeing character support threads get torpedo'd and sink from deconfirmations.

R.O.B.'s post above is a great rundown for the state of affairs currently.

 

[Speculator]

Is it just me or has every character support thread except Palutena and K. Rool become hopelessly pessimistic? One potentially similar attack disconfirms Takamaru? For god's sake, they're not even made of the same material... it's a liquid versus a solid... I mean... jesus... you really get much different than two completely different states of matter. Can we at least pretend we're more than a mile away from the grasping at straws stage in character speculation?

I'm not really surprised. Half of the most popular threads had something like "his time is the 8th" literally enshrined in the title. Some people took the time to convince themselves they were definitely getting their favorite newcomer on Tuesday, so naturally they ended up disappointed. This sort of thing is why I like to speculate, but never to try and predict. It's too easy to end up believing something is possible or likely because one wants it to be true.

 

[swordbreaker]

I was seriously bummed out coming into here and the Lip thread earlier. Everyone's just deflated and if it isn't that, then it's the folks who get sadistic glee from seeing character support threads get torpedo'd and sink from deconfirmations.

R.O.B.'s post above is a great rundown for the state of affairs currently.

I think what's going on is because this is that point where it looks like... "Uh Oh", I mean we just had a trailer where they revealed two Pokemon. I think the average Smash fan probably doesn't give a damn about more Pokemon at this point. We already have the Pokemon fans interested in this game in general. I like Greninja however, but I feel like they can reveal him later, let's get some interesting and new franchises in here that people have asked for. I don't think Greninja has anything to do with Takamaru (Takamaru uses a windmill blade not a shuriken), but the fact that it's wave after wave of top franchises is a bit concerning.

But also considering that Takamaru has the most recent retro exposure to everyone and seems like the only retro character with any chance anymore. There really is no reason to act like this. On GAF people still expect him for example. He wasn't destroyed by the AT showcase or anything, he didn't get any of his main weapons turned into items (Lip). He is the only retro character that has not had his game released on Wii U virtual console yet, which says something to me. He's fine.

The only thing that may be negative is if Sakurai has this "LOL Takamaru, are you guy's joking? He doesn't even deserve to be referenced in this game). Or he could have said that his idea of bringing retros back was stuffing their into ATs slots or pasting their 8-bit stages or bodies in the game. And I just don't see him going that crazy on us just yet. At least I'm happy that Nintendo themselves still respect him.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

*reading through some of the comments*

Is it just me or has every character support thread except Palutena and K. Rool become hopelessly pessimistic? One potentially similar attack disconfirms Takamaru? For god's sake, they're not even made of the same material... it's a liquid versus a solid... I mean... jesus... you can't really get much different than two completely different states of matter. Can we at least pretend we're more than a mile away from the grasping at straws stage in character speculation?

I know the response is late but I wholeheartedly agree with everything you say. Greninja does absolutely **** when it comes to ruining Takamaru's chances since we all know Sakurai wants "more older characters" this time around. Besides, who says that it's illegal for both characters to even coexist in the same dame game like and . Even some idiots on Miiverse think that he interferes with his inclusion, which I've argued with for a while.

 

[swordbreaker]

I know the response is late but I wholeheartedly agree with everything you say. Greninja does absolutely **** when it comes to ruining Takamaru's chances since we all know Sakurai wants "more older characters" this time around. Besides, who says that it's illegal for both characters to even coexist in the same dame game like and . Even some idiots on Miiverse think that he interferes with his inclusion, which I've argued with for a while.

Oh crap, Greninja is in we can't have two ninja characters, oh wait, there is Sheik. Oh oh, Bowser is in, we can't have two fire breath... Oh is that Charizard with flame thrower?

 

[Spazzy_D]

*reading through some of the comments*

Is it just me or has every character support thread except Palutena and K. Rool become hopelessly pessimistic? One potentially similar attack disconfirms Takamaru? For god's sake, they're not even made of the same material... it's a liquid versus a solid... I mean... jesus... you can't really get much different than two completely different states of matter. Can we at least pretend we're more than a mile away from the grasping at straws stage in character speculation?

Isaac and Shulk supporters are still pretty upbeat! Also, that one guy that kind of wanted the Chorus men.

I still like Takamaru's chances. I hope he at least gets an Assist Trophy if he doesn't get in (which I hope he does.) No assist would make his chances for Smash 6, minus a new game, seem pretty slim if he doesn't make it here.)

 

[Diddy Kong]

Question: who the **** are Chorus Men?

Takamaru still makes the most sense as a retro addition to me btw. Would like to see him. But if he's not in, so be it. Guess he can still have a good shot for the next one. Retro characters will always be added in anyway.

 

[tirkaro]

It'd be weird if there wasn't at least one retro rep this time, and with all the momentum Takamaru has behind him, I'm still fairly confident in his inclusion. Really, at this point Takamaru feels like he should at least be deserving of an AT, and with no Takamaru AT in sight....

Also, thinking that a faster, water-based variation of the Aura Sphere/Shadow Ball would be stealing the thunder from Takamaru's shurikens (which isn't even his only projectile) is silly.

 

[FlareHabanero]

*reading through some of the comments*

Is it just me or has every character support thread except Palutena and K. Rool become hopelessly pessimistic? One potentially similar attack disconfirms Takamaru? For god's sake, they're not even made of the same material... it's a liquid versus a solid... I mean... jesus... you can't really get much different than two completely different states of matter. Can we at least pretend we're more than a mile away from the grasping at straws stage in character speculation?

Listen, I'm not upset over the inclusion of Greninja, as I'm a firm believer that one character doesn't automatically discount another. In fact I like the inclusion of Greninja, and that's mainly because of him being influenced by Strider and Chipp. However with the inclusion of Greninja, I sort of want Takamaru to be included now because Greninja would make for a good rival for Takamaru (ninja vs. samurai), and now I want him to be more akin to Baiken, who specializes in guard reversals and counters instead.

 

[Spazzy_D]

Question: who the **** are Chorus Men?

Takamaru still makes the most sense as a retro addition to me btw. Would like to see him. But if he's not in, so be it. Guess he can still have a good shot for the next one. Retro characters will always be added in anyway.

A bit off topic but the guy with the E3 "leak" (Wii Fit Trainer, Pacman, Little Mac, Mii, Villager, and Megaman) posted a new leak before the direct that said a bunch of new characters (including a Pokémon from X & Y) would be added to the game.

http://gematsu.com/2014/04/rumor-shulk-palutena-set-super-smash-bros

People are freaking out about it in the rumors thread. Chorus men are from Rhythm Heaven, they actually did have a support thread here. Takamaru isn't mentioned but even if it's true it doesn't mean that it's all the newcomers, so his chances are still decent.

 

[Speculator]

Question: who the **** are Chorus Men?

Minor characters from Rhythm Heaven. As in, really minor. It's the main thing that throws me about that supposed leak. The Chorus Men appear in only one RH game, and then in only two songs discounting remixes. It seems unlikely.

 

[Hoots]

While I, like many people, am tempted to say that Takamaru's chances were hurt in the Direct, keep in mind a couple of things.

Sonic and Megaman have literally the exact same Up Special.

Not to mention the similarity of Greninja's Down Special to Lucario's and Up Special to ZSS's new one (which might not actually be that similar, but at first glance it looks like it could be). I don't think this entirely spells doom for Takamaru.

 

[FlareHabanero]

While I, like many people, am tempted to say that Takamaru's chances were hurt in the Direct, keep in mind a couple of things.

Sonic and Megaman have literally the exact same Up Special.

Not to mention the similarity of Greninja's Down Special to Lucario's and Up Special to ZSS's new one (which might not actually be that similar, but at first glance it looks like it could be). I don't think this entirely spells doom for Takamaru.

I wouldn't even be too fazed by the exclusion of Takamaru at this point, because I still got my original depiction of the character already in Super Smash Bros. via Greninja. However at the same time I still would appreciate the inclusion, even if it's purely so we can have a classic ninja vs. samurai fight.

 

[8-peacock-8]

While I, like many people, am tempted to say that Takamaru's chances were hurt in the Direct, keep in mind a couple of things.

Sonic and Megaman have literally the exact same Up Special.

Not to mention the similarity of Greninja's Down Special to Lucario's and Up Special to ZSS's new one (which might not actually be that similar, but at first glance it looks like it could be). I don't think this entirely spells doom for Takamaru.

Adding onto this...

Kirby's Forward special is now the same as Dedede's Down Special.

 

[LF2K]

Takamaru isn't out yet. He's got different tricks that Greninja doesn't have. Can Greninja toss fire? Does he have an actual blade?

Like I've said before, ninja and samurai are totally different. The two can co-exist.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

How the hell can anyone forget Kirby and Dedede inhaling together?

But yeah, we have around 5-4 months left until we know the full roster, including unlockables so there's nothing to fear. Takamaru being much more of a counter/defensive type character actually makes some sense in samurai aren't all about speed like ninjas from the get go (along with the gameplay in all games involving him being slow as a turtle). I can already feel the sunshine Greninja and Takamaru rivalry already due to his hatred of ninjas and hawks canonically eat frogs (Translate the word Taka). This actually makes me much more exciting for this new title since he has a legit rival instead of someone obvious like Mac.

 

[Morbi]

Takamaru isn't out yet. He's got different tricks that Greninja doesn't have. Can Greninja toss fire? Does he have an actual blade?

Like I've said before, ninja and samurai are totally different. The two can co-exist.

Doesn't Greninja have an actual blade though? I thought his dual-wielding water blades were... blades.

How the hell can anyone forget Kirby and Dedede inhaling together?

But yeah, we have around 5-4 months left until we know the full roster, including unlockables so there's nothing to fear. Takamaru being much more of a counter/defensive type character actually makes some sense in samurai aren't all about speed like ninjas from the get go (along with the gameplay in all games involving him being slow as a turtle). I can already feel the sunshine Greninja and Takamaru rivalry already due to his hatred of ninjas and hawks canonically eat frogs (Translate the word Taka). This actually makes me much more exciting for this new title since he has a legit rival instead of someone obvious like Mac.

I don't want to sound overly pretentious; but we only have a maximum of about 3 and a half months to learn the entire roster. If the 3DS version and the Wii U version boast the same roster; and one is releasing during Quarter 2; we will find out before the end of Summer.

Also; Takamaru is safe. Using the logic that Takamaru can't be in because we already have Greninja is inherently fallacious. Not only is the notion arbitrary; but by using that rationale, Greninja should have never gotten in while Sheik was in.

 

[LF2K]

I meant a steel sword. One's that's been forged instead if being made of water.

 

[Morbi]

I meant a steel sword. One's that's been forged instead if being made of water.

Oh. I see what you mean. *Insert generic "too many sword-users argument!"

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

Oh. I see what you mean. *Insert generic "Too many Japanese characters!"

Fixed to suit Gamefaqs hatred for them.

 

[egaddmario]

My issue with Greninja and Takamaru is the japanese music when Greninja's silhouette was revealed. Wouldn't they want to save that japanese theme specifically for Takamaru? I can't see them using the same trope twice. And ninja stars. I understand the whole sheik's a ninja too and bowser and charizard breath fire, but I just can't see Takamaru after that. I still support him, i just don't think he's likely anymore. I hope i'm wrong.

 

[Marakatu]

How the hell can anyone forget Kirby and Dedede inhaling together?

But yeah, we have around 5-4 months left until we know the full roster, including unlockables so there's nothing to fear. Takamaru being much more of a counter/defensive type character actually makes some sense in samurai aren't all about speed like ninjas from the get go (along with the gameplay in all games involving him being slow as a turtle). I can already feel the sunshine Greninja and Takamaru rivalry already due to his hatred of ninjas and hawks canonically eat frogs (Translate the word Taka). This actually makes me much more exciting for this new title since he has a legit rival instead of someone obvious like Mac.

"Hawks eat frogs." I'm no Greninja hater, but I like this phrase.

 

[FlareHabanero]

I'm not discounting Takamaru until I actually see the odds straight out shot down in some sort of way, with that not being shown yet.

 

[Morbi]

My issue with Greninja and Takamaru is the japanese music when Greninja's silhouette was revealed. Wouldn't they want to save that japanese theme specifically for Takamaru? I can't see them using the same trope twice. And ninja stars. I understand the whole sheik's a ninja too and bowser and charizard breath fire, but I just can't see Takamaru after that. I still support him, i just don't think he's likely anymore. I hope i'm wrong.

I am still holding my breath for an East v. West-esque trailer where Takamaru and Little Mac are battling. In that event, I don't necessarily believe that they would have to utilize any traditional Japanese score.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

That Takamaru vs. Greninja just gave me an idea. Totally not Greninja x Takamaru

Im going have a J-Stars Victory VS tournament that last till the summer with Kenshin (Takamaru), Ryotsu (Sherrif), and Arale (Lip) vs. Naruto (Greninja), Kenshiro (Mario), and Luckyman (Kirby) to replicate a highly anticipated battle. Takamaru is Kenshin because they are both prettyboy swordsmen while Greninja is Naruto since they are the OG Frog Ninjas. Sherrif and Rytso match for being old, authority figures while Lip and Arale are cutesy heroines with much enthusiasm. Luckyman and Kirby are happy go lucky superheroes while Mario's related to Kenshin for being the first flagship action protagonists.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

I'm kinda missing the days before the direct where everyone was speculating and predicting to no end without any worry of one character hurting anothers chances.
Takamaru will be in Super Smash Bros. as a playable character but we may not see him till the release.
Come on guys lets get happy again one Direct shouldn't ruin everyones hopes.

 

[LF2K]

Give how big of a cash cow Pokémon is, I think Greninja's reveal was obvious. What better way to close a Direct than showing off a newcomer from one of your biggest games? Had it been Takamaru, we'd all be happy. But you can bet some people would either be confused about who he is, or get mad because he's not "their" character they wanted.

But I think Greninja would compliment Takamaru very well. They already have the Ninja vs. Samurai thing going. But they also represent two different generations of games: Greninja's one of Nintendo's newest stars from a popular series, but Takamaru is from an older series that's not well know. We still need to keep supporting Takamaru until the bitter end!

 

[bksbestbwoy]

Listen, I'm not upset over the inclusion of Greninja, as I'm a firm believer that one character doesn't automatically discount another. In fact I like the inclusion of Greninja, and that's mainly because of him being influenced by Strider and Chipp. However with the inclusion of Greninja, I sort of want Takamaru to be included now because Greninja would make for a good rival for Takamaru (ninja vs. samurai), and now I want him to be more akin to Baiken, who specializes in guard reversals and counters instead.

Greninja is one of the best additions to a Smash roster to date just because of how far they took the ninja archetype in his movements and combat style. Also, shoutouts to Guilty Gear. I was way hype for a Takamaru that would be more of a Kenshin/Sojiro (Rurouni Kenshin), but a style based around being counter oriented plus all those projectiles and Takamaru's nimble nature could be really interesting too.

Also, to be honest, every time I think about Takamaru and see how much universal love there is for him regarding Smash, I get really sad thinking "I wish more people knew/liked Mike Jones like that." lol

 

[Pacack]

Having played Nazo no Murasame jo, I'm pretty sure Takamaru doesn't use stars in anything but Nintendoland.

His default throwing weapon is knives.

And the upgrades to that are the spinning thingamabob and the fire below.

The only ones who use stars in his game are his enemies.

 

[Sehnsucht]

The only ones who use stars in his game are his enemies.

Guess this means he and Greninja will never see eye to eye.

 

[Pacack]

Guess this means he and Greninja will never see eye to eye.

I'm definitely going to enjoy beating up Greninja with Takamaru. That's for sure.

 

[Sehnsucht]

I'm definitely going to enjoy beating up Greninja with Takamaru. That's for sure.

Or maybe Takamaru VS Greninja + Sheik, because Takamaru can totally handle them both.

 

[Pacack]

Or maybe Takamaru VS Greninja + Sheik, because Takamaru can totally handle them both.

I'm totally replaying Adventure mode until I get Takamaru vs. Sheik team. That would be so good.

 

[Dinoman96]

Minor characters from Rhythm Heaven. As in, really minor. It's the main thing that throws me about that supposed leak. The Chorus Men appear in only one RH game, and then in only two songs discounting remixes. It seems unlikely.

It's been speculated he might of meant Marshal. http://rhythmheaven.wikia.com/wiki/Marshal

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

Having played Nazo no Murasame jo, I'm pretty sure Takamaru doesn't use stars in anything but Nintendoland.

His default throwing weapon is knives.

And the upgrades to that are the spinning thingamabob and the fire below.

The only ones who use stars in his game are his enemies.

This. I was trying to get that point through to the Gamefaqians, but they are ignorant as usual with the obvious "He still has low chances" or "Greninja murders him" responses. Then again, I'm just staying away from that site for a while. But yeah, Nintendo Land definitely the only game where a Takamaru (or shall I sayTakamaru lookalike) is forced to use shirukens against the ninjas.

 

[LF2K]

Hopefully the ninjas from Murasame Castle show up in Smash Run mode if Takamaru makes it.

They do know Takamaru's not a ninja... right?

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

Hopefully the ninjas from Murasame Castle show up in Smash Run mode if Takamaru makes it.

They do know Takamaru's not a ninja... right?

This is Sakurai we are talking about. He and his team does a great amount of research on most (if not all) Nintendo IP's existence. That explains why almost every trophy from Melee to Brawl have valid information that pertains to the series it represents.

 

[LF2K]

I was talking about the GameFAQians.

 

[Yomi's Biggest Fan]

I was talking about the GameFAQians.

Hell no, they are stupid enough to believe that Ninja Frog in the roster means Ninja Samurai is out. After all, they do think of him as a boring character or prefer international retros like Duck Hunt Dog.

 

[Chaosmaster8753]

Gotta say, does anyone else find it weird how for all the Japan-only games referenced in the series that Takamaru's been weirdly over-shadowed? We never even got a trophy of him. We can only hope that the Takamaru appearances in games like Captain Rainbow, Samurai Warriors 3 and Nintendo Land have increased interest in him. Also, wouldn't Link be a more likely "rival" given that Nazo no Murasame-Jo is like a more action oriented Zelda or something?