Nickelodeon All-Stars Brawl General Thread - All Star Brawl 2 Available Today!

[Guynamednelson]

If they HAVE to launch with two Turtles again, I hope they understand the demand enough to prioritize making Leo and Mike free updates.

too bad the version of NASB2 with two turtles will be the only version I can play with others before the internet tells people not to play it again

 

[darkvortex]

Never wanna speak too soon. But I could see this game going longer than the original. Possibly a season 2. So maybe they could add back some cuts over time

Or who knows. Maybe we get Nick all star brawl ultimate eventually,

 

[Guynamednelson]

Never wanna speak too soon. But I could see this game going longer than the original. Possibly a season 2. So maybe they could add back some cuts over time

Or who knows. Maybe we get Nick all star brawl ultimate eventually,

Even if NASB actually could have been saved by the updates that should've, I think GM would still want there to be a new one every 2 years. 2 passes would drain 3 of potential resources, but then again they don't seem to be afraid of NKR4 inevitably being a steaming pile of mediocrity thanks to Bamtang being forced to push it out in 2024 while working on two games for this year.

 

[Wario Wario Wario]

I do think it's very likely that some of the cuts (possibly all depending on the cut quantity) will be DLC of some kind, probably paid, but also not part of the mystery pack - and even if they were part of the mystery pack, I don't think I could really complain.

The only reasons I'm buying the digital deluxe are because I want the costumes, and - unlike Smash - I can't really imagine any non-racially-insensitive Nicktoon character inclusions I'd find outright disappointing - even the angry-critic-bait shows like Breadwinners I think have a lot of merit from a moveset perspective.

 

[Guynamednelson]

I'm sure the pass will have at least one character I'll like but I'm not so sure about splurging on the deluxe edition and I shouldn't have to explain why.

 

[fogbadge]

The only reasons I'm buying the digital deluxe are because I want the costumes, and - unlike Smash - I can't really imagine any non-racially-insensitive Nicktoon character inclusions I'd find outright disappointing - even the angry-critic-bait shows like Breadwinners I think have a lot of merit from a moveset perspective.

you mean you want tak?

 

[ZephyrZ]

Spoiler: Key Art Leak

Ya know, with all this emphasis on the new story mode and including villains for its sake, I'm wondering if this time you'll have to unlock the characters to motivate you to actually play it.

I know it'd probably be somewhat controversial but it's what Smash does (with good reason) and it'd probably extend the game's life at least a tiny bit.

It'd explain why some veterans who are likely to come back like Catdog and Hugh aren't on the key art. So there's at least a couple surprise unlocks when you play through the story compaign.

 

[Wario Wario Wario]

Spoiler: Key Art Leak

Ya know, with all this emphasis on the new story mode and including villains for its sake, I'm wondering if this time you'll have to unlock the characters to motivate you to actually play it.

I know it'd probably be somewhat controversial but it's what Smash does (with good reason) and it'd probably extend the game's life at least a tiny bit.

It'd explain why some veterans who are likely to come back like Catdog and Hugh aren't on the key art. So there's at least a couple surprise unlocks when you play through the story compaign.

Oh god. Please no.

 

[Quick Gaming (QG)]

Spoiler: Key Art Leak

Ya know, with all this emphasis on the new story mode and including villains for its sake, I'm wondering if this time you'll have to unlock the characters to motivate you to actually play it.

I know it'd probably be somewhat controversial but it's what Smash does (with good reason) and it'd probably extend the game's life at least a tiny bit.

It'd explain why some veterans who are likely to come back like Catdog and Hugh aren't on the key art. So there's at least a couple surprise unlocks when you play through the story compaign.

This is like the only scenario I see besides 11 cuts happening, because I can’t imagine why the splash art would exist in the state that it’s in and not include those 11 unless you weren’t meant to have them unlocked from the start

Granted, it’d be going back on Ludosity’s claim to not like having to unlock characters but who knows

 

[Wario Wario Wario]

If there are indeed unlockables, and I hope not, hopefully they're unlockable through the main battle mode as well as story mode.

 

[CapitaineCrash]

Catscratch is a SUPER loose adaptation of the source material, so they can easily make a character and stage without needing to reference Gear.

That's not how copyright work. Even if it's loose if they don't own it there's nothing they can do with it.

 

[RileyXY1]

This is like the only scenario I see besides 11 cuts happening, because I can’t imagine why the splash art would exist in the state that it’s in and not include those 11 unless you weren’t meant to have them unlocked from the start

Granted, it’d be going back on Ludosity’s claim to not like having to unlock characters but who knows

I'm not really expecting unlockable characters at all.

 

[Ze Diglett]

If they HAVE to launch with two Turtles again, I hope they understand the demand enough to prioritize making Leo and Mike free updates.

too bad the version of NASB2 with two turtles will be the only version I can play with others before the internet tells people not to play it again

I'm not really expecting FreeLC this time. They've already announced plans for a Season Pass next year, it'd be weird for them to put those on hold to add a bunch of old guys for free.

Spoiler: Key Art Leak

Ya know, with all this emphasis on the new story mode and including villains for its sake, I'm wondering if this time you'll have to unlock the characters to motivate you to actually play it.

I know it'd probably be somewhat controversial but it's what Smash does (with good reason) and it'd probably extend the game's life at least a tiny bit.

It'd explain why some veterans who are likely to come back like Catdog and Hugh aren't on the key art. So there's at least a couple surprise unlocks when you play through the story compaign.

If that's the case, I just hope there's a quick way to unlock them without playing Story Mode. I WEEP for TO's if that's not the case.

 

[Guynamednelson]

Between the discussions about whether or not it's okay to include Ember after something a fanatic of hers did IRL, there's something else we've failed to consider: How is she supposed to have 4 costumes under the "canon alts only" rule? Even PTM doesn't have this issue.

 

[CrusherMania1592]

If there are indeed unlockables, and I hope not, hopefully they're unlockable through the main battle mode as well as story mode.

Similar to how Melee and onwards did it

I'd totally KO'd myself to get faster unlockables

 

[Wario Wario Wario]

Between the discussions about whether or not it's okay to include Ember after something a fanatic of hers did IRL, there's something else we've failed to consider: How is she supposed to have 4 costumes under the "canon alts only" rule? Even PTM doesn't have this issue.

Have we determined if the new black April alt is canon yet?

Anyway, did a quick browse through the wiki gallery - she has a pirate version, a fully blue version, a short hair version and an unused concept version of her pirate design with different colours - not sure if they can use that last one though.

 

[ZephyrZ]

If that's the case, I just hope there's a quick way to unlock them without playing Story Mode. I WEEP for TO's if that's not the case.

I think this would be main issue with my theory. Game Mill definitely wants to appeal to the competitive crowd.

So if there are unlocks, I bet they'd put in a cheat code or tournament mode or something.

 

[Opossum]

Between the discussions about whether or not it's okay to include Ember after something a fanatic of hers did IRL, there's something else we've failed to consider: How is she supposed to have 4 costumes under the "canon alts only" rule? Even PTM doesn't have this issue.

Barring cases that would alter hitboxes and whatnot, there are at the very least these two, though I had to really look for the second one lmao.

Spoiler

 

[Guynamednelson]

Barring cases that would alter hitboxes and whatnot, there are at the very least these two, though I had to really look for the second one lmao.

Spoiler

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Yeah, I knew about the pirate outfit and fat Ember, I just knew the latter would be impossible since the animations are likely to be made with her thin self in mind.

 

[Opossum]

Yeah, I knew about the pirate outfit and fat Ember, I just knew the latter would be impossible since the animations are likely to be made with her thin self in mind.

Yeah that's what I meant by the hitbox thing lol. The timeskip version really couldn't use the same skeleton rigging, and would have a different build.

There's also the option to have her be a translucent blue, but that may cause visibility issues.

 

[RileyXY1]

Have we determined if the new black April alt is canon yet?

Anyway, did a quick browse through the wiki gallery - she has a pirate version, a fully blue version, a short hair version and an unused concept version of her pirate design with different colours - not sure if they can use that last one though.

Apparently the black April alt is actually based on the 2012 series.

 

[Wario Wario Wario]

Apparently the black April alt is actually based on the 2012 series.

I was aware of that, I moreso meant "canon to 80s April".

 

[DrifloonEmpire]

Yeah, I knew about the pirate outfit and fat Ember, I just knew the latter would be impossible since the animations are likely to be made with her thin self in mind.

Big Embungus would be epic, and you know it.

 

[LimeTH]

Yeah that's what I meant by the hitbox thing lol. The timeskip version really couldn't use the same skeleton rigging, and would have a different build.

There's also the option to have her be a translucent blue, but that may cause visibility issues.

The skeleton/hit box thing is what has me curious about GIR. GIR’s normal robot self and the dog suit have very different proportions. That’s most likely why the dog suit wasn’t in the first game.
It’d probably be easier if he were still just ZIM’s puppet but I’d be really curious to see how they pull it off with a playable GIR.

 

[YeppersPeppers]

I always enjoy unlocking characters in games, but I understand why fighting games and many players aren't keen on it. That said, I always thought that a nice balance would be to feature unlockable characters, but offer a way to unlock everything right away for the sake of tournaments or for those who don't want to bother, such as a code or even just an option in the settings. I know ARMS actually did something like this, though when the feature was on you were still prohibited from using ARMS that you hadn't actually unlocked when playing online. It was solely for offline tournaments.

 

[Guynamednelson]

Big Embungus would be epic, and you know it.

Maybe. But animation skeletons don't follow the same rules as IRL skeletons.

 

[Geoffrey Druyts]

Spoiler: Key Art Leak

Ya know, with all this emphasis on the new story mode and including villains for its sake, I'm wondering if this time you'll have to unlock the characters to motivate you to actually play it.

I know it'd probably be somewhat controversial but it's what Smash does (with good reason) and it'd probably extend the game's life at least a tiny bit.

It'd explain why some veterans who are likely to come back like Catdog and Hugh aren't on the key art. So there's at least a couple surprise unlocks when you play through the story compaign.

Unlockables are controversial??? That's like the main fun thing in singleplayer smash.

 

[Guynamednelson]

Unlockables are controversial??? That's like the main fun thing in singleplayer smash.

Ludosity doesn't want characters to need to be unlocked so tournaments can easily be set up. But as Yeppers said, there are workarounds.

 

[Oshawott777]

Speaking of unlockables I hope we get something that has character profiles. I was a little disappointed there wasn't any for NASB1. Something like Multiversus has or even the little character blurbs Smash Ultimate had: https://multiversus.com/en/roster

 

[CapitaineCrash]

Between the discussions about whether or not it's okay to include Ember after something a fanatic of hers did IRL, there's something else we've failed to consider: How is she supposed to have 4 costumes under the "canon alts only" rule? Even PTM doesn't have this issue.

This might be crazy but your post just made me think, what if

Spoiler: spoiler

some of the characters are cut because it was impossible to give them 4 alts with Nick restrictions? Of course this doesn't fit the turtles and Lincoln for example, but like Oblina and CatDog it would probably be very hard, if not impossible to give them 4 alts. So what if the team just gave up on them because Nick restrictions were too hard for those?

 

[Guynamednelson]

This might be crazy but your post just made me think, what if

Spoiler: spoiler

some of the characters are cut because it was impossible to give them 4 alts with Nick restrictions? Of course this doesn't fit the turtles and Lincoln for example, but like Oblina and CatDog it would probably be very hard, if not impossible to give them 4 alts. So what if the team just gave up on them because Nick restrictions were too hard for those?

Spoiler

Pressing X to doubt on CatDog, because

Cat/Gallery

This is a gallery of Cat. Please do not post fan arts or inappropriate images.

catdog.fandom.com

I see 4 potential costumes on Cat's gallery alone.

On the subject of theories as to why a character might be cut, I wonder if GameMill forced them to cut Helga because she was the least played character in NKR3, ignoring the fact that it was impossible to unlock her.

 

[Opossum]

Spoiler

Pressing X to doubt on CatDog, because

Cat/Gallery

This is a gallery of Cat. Please do not post fan arts or inappropriate images.

catdog.fandom.com

I see 4 potential costumes on Cat's gallery alone.

On the subject of theories as to why a character might be cut, I wonder if GameMill forced them to cut Helga because she was the least played character in NKR3, ignoring the fact that it was impossible to unlock her.

I wouldn't put a ton of stock into that, mostly because Helga actually gets used quite a bit competitively in NASB1, so usage for a different game doesn't make too much sense to me, even for a company like Game Mill.

 

[Capybara Gaming]

This might be crazy but your post just made me think, what if

Spoiler: spoiler

some of the characters are cut because it was impossible to give them 4 alts with Nick restrictions? Of course this doesn't fit the turtles and Lincoln for example, but like Oblina and CatDog it would probably be very hard, if not impossible to give them 4 alts. So what if the team just gave up on them because Nick restrictions were too hard for those?

Reptar. Unless they're doing full model swaps for MechaReptar, there's no way that's the case since Reptar only has those options

 

[PK-remling Fire]

Reptar. Unless they're doing full model swaps for MechaReptar, there's no way that's the case since Reptar only has those options

They could also make one of Reptar's alts literally a guy in a suit

 

[LimeTH]

 

[Quick Gaming (QG)]

Alright I’ve been toiling over options and stuff and I think I got the most attention getting DLC lineup that’s probably possible, thoughts?

Spoiler: Spoilers for who’s not in base I suppose

 

[Capybara Gaming]

They could also make one of Reptar's alts literally a guy in a suit
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And how are they going to handle the fire breath attacks

 

[LimeTH]

And how are they going to handle the fire breath attacks

Guy in the suit gets an ashed up face for a few frames.

 

[Guynamednelson]

And how are they going to handle the fire breath attacks

Let's just imagine that for a shoddy-looking costume, it has suprisingly advanced pyrotechnics.

 

[Wario Wario Wario]

Maybe the veterans in the trailer/title screen are just the ones who are most relevant to the story mode plot? Newcomers are on the box just for being newcomers, but Rocko; Lucy; Reptar; e.t.c. are there because they're plot players while the likes of Lincoln and Sandy take a playable-but-not-important back seat in the story.