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[Wario Wario Wario]

It could just be that a small fighter who moves slowly would be impossible to balance.

 

[RileyXY1]

It could just be that a small fighter who moves slowly would be impossible to balance.

Smash had Olimar who was pretty much that.

 

[Wario Wario Wario]

Olimar isn't that small in Smash Bros though, he may be tiny canonically but you never see him with other humans so he may as well just be human-sized, which is how he's portrayed in Smash - just barely shorter than a Mario or Mega Man. While on the slower side of the roster even circa Brawl he's not awfully slow, being faster than seemingly nimble characters like Ness; Luigi; and Squirtle. The Rugrats on the other hand are babies, they are conceptually small and conceptually slow. They'd likely have to have Pikachu's size and Ganondorf's speed just on virtue of being babies alone.

 

[LimeTH]

It could just be that a small fighter who moves slowly would be impossible to balance.

Olimar isn't that small in Smash Bros though, he may be tiny canonically but you never see him with other humans so he may as well just be human-sized, which is how he's portrayed in Smash - just barely shorter than a Mario or Mega Man. While on the slower side of the roster even circa Brawl he's not awfully slow, being faster than seemingly nimble characters like Ness; Luigi; and Squirtle. The Rugrats on the other hand are babies, they are conceptually small and conceptually slow. They'd likely have to have Pikachu's size and Ganondorf's speed just on virtue of being babies alone.

And they'd still somehow be bigger than Toph.

 

[RileyXY1]

There was also speculation that the reason why the devs had to fight for Lucy was because of her age, as she's eight (nine as of the latest season) and is the only single digit-aged fighter on the roster.

 

[Guynamednelson]

And they'd still somehow be bigger than Toph.

Plankton would be bigger than Toph if he got in.

 

[Deleted member]

We'll likely never know but I honestly think they went with Reptar not for any moral reasons but because he's cool.

 

[DrifloonEmpire]

AGU is just a relic of Rugrats' late years, where Nick was really desperate to squeeze every last droplet it could out of the Rugrats cash cow, when it had fresher cows to milk.

The cash cow's udders have been filled up thanks to the power of nostalgia, but said nostalgia revolves around the Rugrats as rugrats, not as tweens.

All Grown Up started as a one-off Rugrats special. It didn't get a full series for the sake of corporate milking, they made it into a full series because said special had good ratings and positive reception.

 

[RileyXY1]

All Grown Up started as a one-off Rugrats special. It didn't get a full series for the sake of corporate milking, they made it into a full series because said special had good ratings and positive reception.

It didn't help that said special was created for the purpose of celebrating the 10th anniversary of Rugrats. So they thought, what would it be like if they aged the babies up ten years? All Growed Up did so good in the ratings that a full series of the aged up Rugrats premiered two years later. Of the many Rugrats spinoff ideas proposed this was the only one that actually became a full series.

 

[Quick Gaming (QG)]

We'll likely never know but I honestly think they went with Reptar not for any moral reasons but because he's cool.

Yeah I’m inclined to believe so too

 

[CrusherMania1592]

Which I don't think will ever happen unless Ludosity is kicked off the game and a different development team who isn't so concerned about players being able to beat up babies takes over.

Stop man

Just stop

Is there any evidence about Ludosity being an issue? If not, why is this brought up?

We've seen weirder **** in other video games than this. Hell, even we had babies driving and playing sports (Baby Mario getting hit with a tennis ball in Mario Tennis 64 would be an example), so what's the difference?

 

[Wario Wario Wario]

Stop man

Just stop

Is there any evidence about Ludosity being an issue? If not, why is this brought up?

We've seen weirder **** in other video games than this. Hell, even we had babies driving and playing sports (Baby Mario getting hit with a tennis ball in Mario Tennis 64 would be an example), so what's the difference?

He was starting off adamant Ludosity chose not to include the Rugrats because of the "mainstream media", I tried to tell him Ludosity may have had an issue themselves or just couldn't figure out a playstyle rather than being scared of any reprecaussions, and now he's acting like he always thought Ludosity themselves were the reason.

I have no clue what the point of this argument even is, like maybe he's trying to convince us AGU as a substitute to Rugrats is a good idea? Because that's what it started as at least. (and even then, it isn't, that's like suggesting Wario as a substitute for Mario)

 

[Deleted member]

If an UGU rep was to get in, it would be alongside a regular Rugrats rep (reptar or otherwise), not in spite of

 

[CrusherMania1592]

We was starting off adamant Ludosity chose not to include the Rugrats because of the "mainstream media", I tried to tell him Ludosity may have had an issue themselves or just couldn't figure out a playstyle rather than being scared of any reprecaussions, and now he's acting like he always thought Ludosity themselves were the reason.

I have no clue what the point of this argument even is, like maybe he's trying to convince us AGU as a substitute to Rugrats is a good idea? Because that's what it started as at least. (and even then, it isn't, that's like suggesting Wario as a substitute for Mario)

To be honest, I'm fine with AGU getting a rep to show a bit of 2000's diversity. Imagine a Rugrats Tommy vs AGU Tommy fighting.

The multiverse has spoken.

 

[Guynamednelson]

and even then, it isn't, that's like suggesting Wario as a substitute for Mario

To me it's more like a SpongeBob rep only having moves and being bundled with a stage that are only relevant to the post-movie seasons, not its golden years.

 

[Wario Wario Wario]

To me it's more like a SpongeBob rep only having moves and being bundled with a stage that are only relevant to the post-movie seasons, not its golden years.

At the very least it'd still be the same basic character - the moves and stage would still represent the SpongeBob world as seen in "SpongeBob SquarePants". All Grown Up, regardless of what quality you think it is, removes the main gimmick of Rugrats completely and therefore isn't a valid substitute. That's not to say it inherently can't or shouldn't be there, but rather that it wouldn't really make sense without - or especially as a moral workaround for - the babies, given that these characters are best known as babies; and their lesser known tween counterparts don't exactly have the traits that made their younger selves iconic to begin with.

 

[LimeTH]

Yeah I’m inclined to believe so too

Hell, Rep's response makes me think we might be getting a Rugrat soon.

 

[DrifloonEmpire]

Yeah I’m inclined to believe so too

Still gives them no right to mock us, though...

Hell, Rep's response makes me think we might be getting a Rugrat soon.

Rugrats definitely deserves another rep, but I wouldn't start the DLC with one.

 

[Guynamednelson]

but I wouldn't start the DLC with one.

To be fair, no Rugrat is part of the "Big Four" and those who want franchises to be expanded tend to focus more on Squidward, Zuko and maybe the remaining Turtles, but Rugrats was still a big show and the actual stars of it are still missing.

If AGU is too unpopular and Tommy is too one-year-old, I can see Angelica making it in as she's a bit older.

 

[Deleted member]

I actually do think a Rugrat is an underlooked and definitely possibly DLC pick. A popular, iconic Franchise with a currently running reboot that Nick like to promote

 

[DrifloonEmpire]

I actually do think a Rugrat is an underlooked and definitely possibly DLC pick. A popular, iconic Franchise with a currently running reboot that Nick like to promote

I know, I just don't think that a Rugrat would be the very first character. There are those datamined announcer calls that help, though!

 

[Deleted member]

I know, I just don't think that a Rugrat would be the very first character. There are those datamined announcer calls that help, though!

Oh I agree. But i think there's a decent chance of us getting one in the DLC cycle.

 

[fogbadge]

We've seen weirder **** in other video games than this. Hell, even we had babies driving and playing sports (Baby Mario getting hit with a tennis ball in Mario Tennis 64 would be an example), so what's the difference?

is babies driving consider weird? it happens all the time here. sometimes on purpose

 

[Quick Gaming (QG)]

I'm tired of the Rugrats debate but basically

I think the legit reason they went with Reptar instead is just because he's cooler. Ignoring how frequently the characters appear in the show, would you rather fight as a kaiju or a baby?

You never hear people request Lily Loud to the extent Rugrats get requested, and it's because NASB fans seem to struggle to realize that Ludosity has zero obligation to go with the definitive main characters. And if said main characters (Arnold, Tommy/Angelica/Chuckie, Ickis, Eliza, Donatello, Raphael, etc) missed out on base game despite not having real reason to, then I don't see them being priority for DLC. There's no "representing legacy of Nickelodeon" or "celebration of Nickelodeon" goal here. It's just who they think is cool and/or fun

also they flat out say Lily can't join NASB in Lincoln's showcase, with the only implicated reason being that she's a baby ok bye

 

[CrusherMania1592]

With how things are atm, what 5 characters do you guys feel will miss the cut and make NASB 2? My five would be Tommy, Angry Beavers, Sheen, Arnold, and Po

 

[Deleted member]

With how things are atm, what 5 characters do you guys feel will miss the cut and make NASB 2? My five would be Tommy, Angry Beavers, Sheen, Arnold, and Po

If a sequal where to happen, I feel they'd likely add characters from seires in the first game. Leo and Raph, Arnold, a rugrat, another Loud sister, and second reps for dlc series like the Crimson Chin or Hugh. And some odd ball picks.

 

[Wario Wario Wario]

With how things are atm, what 5 characters do you guys feel will miss the cut and make NASB 2? My five would be Tommy, Angry Beavers, Sheen, Arnold, and Po

Raph; Donnie; and Odie all feel like no-hopers for DLC but borderline gauranteed for a sequel to me.

 

[Deleted member]

There would prolly be a couple new seires, one of which would be a Garfield / TMNT legacy pick (Star Trek, or maybe the Smurfs)

 

[Guynamednelson]

Angry Beavers

Well like I've said, Nick uses them in 90's nostalgia pandering so I wouldn't say they're 100% out of the running.

With that being said, I mostly expect the remaining two turtles to be used as sequelbait, assuming Ludosity doesn't go with Casey or...Rocksteady...

 

[Deleted member]

Everyone expects splinter or casey or the other Turtles. Just wait till the next TMNT rep is Urma

 

[Guynamednelson]

Well like I've said, Nick uses them in 90's nostalgia pandering so I wouldn't say they're 100% out of the running.

Hell, not only does Shout Factory produce The Angry Beavers DVDs, but the only characters on their Nickelodeon page's banner are...

...the beavers themselves, and no one else. Not even more popular franchises they've given the DVD treatment to like Jimmy Neutron.

Yeah, I really don't see why you think they're any way near Piranha Plant. They're 90s Nicktoons while the fanbase is 2000s focused, but the Smash characters released after Sephiroth aren't considered "WTF picks" just because he made some people think Dr. Eggman or Chun-Li would be next.

 

[Deleted member]

The Beavers tend to get included in merch with characters from franchises that are in this game or are going to be in the game at some point

 

[CrusherMania1592]

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The Beavers tend to get included in merch with characters from franchises that are in this game or are going to be in the game at some point

The fact we got Oblina over Ickis and Krumm is a shocker. I half expected the former to make it before Oblina.

 

[Guynamednelson]

or are going to be in the game at some point

Well there's...only two Nicktoons there that aren't in the game at all unless you count the Suck-O-Matic item so that's not exactly difficult.

 

[Quick Gaming (QG)]

Everyone expects splinter or casey or the other Turtles. Just wait till the next TMNT rep is Urma

Me hoping Jennika miraculously makes her way in but anyways

https://twitter.com/multiversus/status/1524479512704126978?s=21&t=XhqD3WwNPKyFy28Y8fDvHA

Good week to be a platform fighter fan! So how long until we see more tweets pitting these two against each other?

 

[LimeTH]

With how things are atm, what 5 characters do you guys feel will miss the cut and make NASB 2? My five would be Tommy, Angry Beavers, Sheen, Arnold, and Po

I think as far as who I don't think we're getting:

• Any other TMNT characters are out. Four is frankly enough and they probably already know this.
• Any 2000s characters outside of Jimmy, Jenny and maybe Timmy don't seem likely to make it. Could happen but they'd probably have a better shot at a sequel.
• Any Dreamworks characters.
• Any character not associated with Nickelodeon in some way, or any characters from stuff they've only syndicated so no we're not getting Goku

As for who I DO think we'll get, or at least any picks that feel likely to me:

• There's no way we're not getting Jimmy Neutron. I'd bet money on it if I wasn't broke. There has been such an outpouring of JN related fan demand that I genuinely believe this Friday is going to just flat out be the Jimmy reveal.
• Second most likely is between Rocko and Jenny. Jenny is highly requested and Rocko is absolutely a when, not an if.
• If we get another character from a series already represented, it'll either be Spongebob or Avatar. I'd put my bet down on Zuko.
• That said, Rep's reaction to the Rugrats debate has me much more confident in Tommy or Angelica showing up
• The Angry Beavers, whether it's one alone or both together, seem like a safer bet than people think, and all the defense for them in this conversation has been done for me already (why aren't you people in the support thread?!) but if we're only allowed one more new 90's IP, then it's probably going to Rocko. If they want to put in more 90's characters besides Rocko, then it's absolutely going to be a Beaver.

And now for the "eh I'm not so sure"s:

• If Timmy Turner really has as many rights/distribution issues as people make it sound, then he might not be as surefire as everyone thinks. At the same time, people flat out won't buy this game because he's not in it so they gotta at least try.
• It's possible we could get a second rep for a series that only has one character but I think they'll probably prioritize new series and popular characters from the big two IPs.
• I can't really decide if I think they'd go for another Loud House character or not.

So I'd say Snap, Otis, Po, Raph and Don for my five not making its.

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The Beavers tend to get included in merch with characters from franchises that are in this game or are going to be in the game at some point

Hell, the mystery figure of the set in that first picture was Stump, an Angry Beavers character.

 

[dlewis53]

So, quick question: How exactly does Rep's reaction to the Rugrats debate still going on hint that there might be another Rugrats character?

Because from where I was looking, it just seems like he's laughing at the fact that the debate is still going on even now, and it doesn't really feel like it's indicating anything beyond that.

 

[LimeTH]

So, quick question: How exactly does Rep's reaction to the Rugrats debate still going on hint that there might be another Rugrats character?

Because from where I was looking, it just seems like he's laughing at the fact that the debate is still going on even now, and it doesn't really feel like it's indicating anything beyond that.

Because he didn't clarify. He just laughed.

 

[dlewis53]

Because he didn't clarify. He just laughed.

So? Like I said, he could simply be laughing at the idea this is STILL a debate that's going on. Plus, maybe right now there's some legal reason why he can't just clarify why Reptar was put in over one of the babies.

 

[DrifloonEmpire]

I think as far as who I don't think we're getting:

• Any other TMNT characters are out. Four is frankly enough and they probably already know this.
• Any 2000s characters outside of Jimmy, Jenny and maybe Timmy don't seem likely to make it. Could happen but they'd probably have a better shot at a sequel.
• Any Dreamworks characters.
• Any character not associated with Nickelodeon in some way, or any characters from stuff they've only syndicated so no we're not getting Goku

As for who I DO think we'll get, or at least any picks that feel likely to me:

• There's no way we're not getting Jimmy Neutron. I'd bet money on it if I wasn't broke. There has been such an outpouring of JN related fan demand that I genuinely believe this Friday is going to just flat out be the Jimmy reveal.
• Second most likely is between Rocko and Jenny. Jenny is highly requested and Rocko is absolutely a when, not an if.
• If we get another character from a series already represented, it'll either be Spongebob or Avatar. I'd put my bet down on Zuko.
• That said, Rep's reaction to the Rugrats debate has me much more confident in Tommy or Angelica showing up
• The Angry Beavers, whether it's one alone or both together, seem like a safer bet than people think, and all the defense for them in this conversation has been done for me already (why aren't you people in the support thread?!) but if we're only allowed one more new 90's IP, then it's probably going to Rocko. If they want to put in more 90's characters besides Rocko, then it's absolutely going to be a Beaver.

And now for the "eh I'm not so sure"s:

• If Timmy Turner really has as many rights/distribution issues as people make it sound, then he might not be as surefire as everyone thinks. At the same time, people flat out won't buy this game because he's not in it so they gotta at least try.
• It's possible we could get a second rep for a series that only has one character but I think they'll probably prioritize new series and popular characters from the big two IPs.
• I can't really decide if I think they'd go for another Loud House character or not.

So I'd say Snap, Otis, Po, Raph and Don for my five not making its.



Hell, the mystery figure of the set in that first picture was Stump, an Angry Beavers character.

People do underestimate the beavers a bit but I don't think they're a shoe-in either. Still, they'll probably be talked about a little more once Rocko's on, since they'll be the last non-Doug 90's IP to add.

But yeah, great analysis!