NFL Thread

[theeboredone]

Well you seem to be the only person thinking that was a roughing the passer on the INT, cause every sports talk show I've listened to, they have stated against you. You clearly must know something that I don't. You must also know more than analysts, coaches, and people who have played the game.

Also, that last hail mary also had an illegal block in the back from the Seahawks tight end. Eric Mangini was rather pissed that didn't get called. After seeing the replay, really shocked no one called it. It was as if all the refs were not staring in regards to what was going on in the trenches.

As the entire Twitter universe and their moms say, the Packers got robbed, despite it being a hard fought battle on both ends. Really, the only people who think otherwise live in Seattle. I'll take 49 states over 1.

And btw, you claim it was an all time great defensive performance, but tell me this...how good has the Packers offense been this year, hm? The Packers struggled greatly in the preseason, and after tonight are ranked 25TH in total offense. There is something wrong with the team. It's almost as if their defense and offense switched roles. While I give credit to Seattle for shutting them down, no way in hell as GB been a "high powered offense" so far this year.

I don't expect you to be persuaded, because you are loyal to your Seahawks. Despite being a 49ers fan, I hate the Packers more than the Seahawks. As objective as I can be, the Packers got robbed. Plain and simple.

 

[Stealth Raptor]

They were pretty high powered.....against the chiefs..... *cries in a corner

 

[Berserker Swordsman]

They were pretty high powered.....against the chiefs..... *cries in a corner

...What. Who?

 

[Stealth Raptor]

Pretty sure green bay throttled us in the pre season. Unless you want to talk about last year :D

 

[Berserker Swordsman]

Oh, I thought you meant they had played during the season lol. Or last year >_>

 

[Stealth Raptor]

O.o we did play last year and we were green bays first loss LOL

 

[Berserker Swordsman]

Yeah, and referring back to the original post, they weren't very high powered in that game lol... It wasn't exactly a shootout >_>

 

[theeboredone]

They were pretty high powered.....against the chiefs..... *cries in a corner

Greenbay scored 14 in the second quarter...when Aaron Rodgers was not on the field. Does not count.

 

[Stealth Raptor]

i know i was joking cause it was the preseason LOL

 

[Jem.]

No, Herm Edwards said on ESPN that the last play was also a roughing the passer on Russell Wilson. That's where I first recognized it from. Again, I was at the game, so I actually didn't know until I got home there was a controversy. 99% of the stadium left thinking it was just a non-controversial hail mary catch. But I've watched it a lot at home. I still believe it is an INT, but this is a pretty interesting still frame. It was closer than most people realize, first time I've seen this still image . Don't act like you weren't one of the bandwagoners thinking "Well, they'll do better vs Seattle's D if they put up 22 on the oh so vaunted 49ers D!" Even I didn't think we'd limit them to 12 points without generating a turnover, I was thinking more high teens.

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/426298_3815033461507_1053526819_n.jpg

I'm actually pretty hyped at the thought of playing Green Bay again in the playoffs. That'd have so much hype. I wouldn't even care if it was at Lambeau.

 

[theeboredone]

Don't act like you weren't one of the bandwagoners thinking "Well, they'll do better vs Seattle's D if they put up 22 on the oh so vaunted 49ers D!" Even I didn't think we'd limit them to 12 points without generating a turnover, I was thinking more high teens.

Well, I was obviously not Seattle bandwagonning and didn't think GB would score only 12 points. However, I was still rooting for Seattle simply cause I don't like GB, and because I'm a fan of Lynch.

https://sphotos-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-snc7/426298_3815033461507_1053526819_n.jpg

www.youtube.com/watch?v=6hTFMD5NX1Q#1m

Here's my problem. The ref that ruled it an INT was the BACK JUDGE. You know, the guy who was closest to the scene? The one who ruled it a TD was about 15 yards at a corner angle. So if I'm the head ref, you know what I do? Well, if I am a ref, I'm aware a simultaneous catch is not reviewable. So I just go to the review. If it's a simultaneous catch, cool beans. If it's not, then okay, it's a pick. So ****ty logic by the replacement refs all around.

Rule 8 - Section 3 - Article 1 - Item 5: Simultaneous Catch. If a pass is caught simultaneously by two eligible opponents, and both players retain it, the ball belongs to the passers. It is not a simultaneous catch if a player gains control first and an opponent subsequently gains joint control. If the ball is muffed after simultaneous touching by two such players, all the players of the passing team become eligible to catch the loose ball.

And what is a "catch"?

Rule 3 - Section 2 - Article 6 - Item 2: A catch is made when a player inbounds secures possession of a pass, kick, or fumble in flight.

So um....I'm guessing Jennings never had control prior to Tate getting both hands on it? He's already inbounds, so feet hitting the ground should not matter.

It was a piss poor call, and GB should have won the game. If GB ends up getting a Wild Card spot, misses the playoff, or HELL, a losing tie breaker to Seattle...this is only going to give a worse rep to the NFL. They better hope it doesn't come down to that.

 

[Jem.]

The point is that in that still frame, it looks like Tate has both hands/arms over the ball while Jennings isn't even down yet.

Look, I still think it's an INT, but you're telling me that still frame doesn't atleast LOOK like Tate could have both hands on the ball?! Because if he has both hands at that moment while Jennings is in the air, as long as Jennings doesn't come up with the ball, like, out of the pile like you see others do, it counts as joint possession.

Again, it's such a shame that this will be the talk after the clinic the Seahawks put on the Packers offense. I was proud of them whether we lost or not since the Hawks offense didnt help them out much. Seattle never said anything towards the Steelers organization/players when they lost a SUPERBOWL to multiple game-changing calls. The Packers are taking shots at Seattle like it was our fault/like we shouldn't be taking the W. Yeah okay Packers, you're treating week 3 like a Superbowl. Get a little more classy. Everyone has bad **** happen to them. Remember the no call on Durant in Game 2 of the NBA Finals? That was potentially overtime, potentially the Thunder going up 2-0 in the Finals which might have changed the outcome/complexion of the series. And all Durant said was "I needed to do better, I should have made the play anyways"

True champions don't let that **** get deep under their skin. And the Packers are acting like the world fell on top of them, when from what I've heard, the Pack got some lucky-*** calls last year that heavily impacted/decided games too.

Again, i agree that the real refs need to be back. The one who ruled touchdown from the worst view was probably the same guy who called holding on the Seahawks from deep in the secondary. A lot of people mention the Rice prayer pass interference. Okay, but how about BACK TO BACK holding calls? Neither were holding calls that normally get called, they usually dont call those. So then we're not even at 2nd and a mile if the back to back BS holdings don't get called! We can just all agree Seattle rightfully kept up with a "Superbowl contender" and despite the last call, played well enough to be able to win the game, it just shouldnt have ended the way it did

P.S: I guarantee if it was flipped and it was the Seahawks who got the wrong end of a glaringly obvious call, the media wouldn't nearly be crying as much because it's the "beloved Green Bay Packers franchise!" It's because it was Monday Night and hurt a big name franchise. People didnt outlash like this in the worst officiated Superbowl of all time. They just said "That was odd.. BUT HEY STEELERS FRANCHISE TERRY BRADSHAW IS A STEELERS LEGEND WE'RE SO HAPPY FOR JEROME BETTIS ITS ALL GOOD SINCE ITS THE STEELERS!!!!!!" So I feel no remorse, especially with how annoying Packers players are even being about this. Atleast McCarthy took the high road. But an offensive guard FOR THE PACKERS has the nerve to talk trash after his QB got sacked 8 times in one half, one shy of the NFL record? LMFAO that guy should be learning to block not tweeting that Seattle shouldnt accept the win and didnt deserve it

 

[kd-]

Just to throw this out there and continue beating a dead horse because I'm late on this discussion but, just as Tate lands on the ground he actually has his right hand on Jennings' arm and then puts his hand on the ball as in the frame quoted above. You could argue Jennings secured possession before Tate because he wrapped his arms around the ball before Tate could.

I know pass interference never gets called in those situations, but seeing that Packer fall down is just hilarious.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EG9OYbZEbE&t=5m19s Not a Lions fan, but just an example

 

[Berserker Swordsman]

Why do people keep saying "x would/should have won anyway?" If any of the dumb penalties called in the game were not called or called when they should have been, the game is automatically different. Playcalls would be different, potential scoring drives change, etc. If we're going to admit that the game came down to more than just the bad calls on the last play, can't we all agree that the game's "true" outcome is more or less lost? Yeah, Rodgers got sacked 8 times in the first half, but Packers offense made some adjustments in the second half. Would that have been enough? Who knows now.

And the Packers have a right to at least call out Golden Tate when everyone and his mother can tell he pushed on that last play but he's going to deny it. Catch or INT, that much is obvious.

 

[M@v]

Seattle fans are still *****ing about that superbowl? ffs let it go. Even if ben didn't score that one TD we still would of been up by 4 points. Probably 7 because we would of kicked a fg.

 

[theeboredone]

The point is that in that still frame, it looks like Tate has both hands/arms over the ball while Jennings isn't even down yet.

Look, I still think it's an INT, but you're telling me that still frame doesn't atleast LOOK like Tate could have both hands on the ball?! Because if he has both hands at that moment while Jennings is in the air, as long as Jennings doesn't come up with the ball, like, out of the pile like you see others do, it counts as joint possession.

To me, and as KD said, Tate has one arm on Jennings arm. Doesn't count. By then, Jennings has already secured possession.

Again, it's such a shame that this will be the talk after the clinic the Seahawks put on the Packers offense. I was proud of them whether we lost or not since the Hawks offense didnt help them out much. Seattle never said anything towards the Steelers organization/players when they lost a SUPERBOWL to multiple game-changing calls. The Packers are taking shots at Seattle like it was our fault/like we shouldn't be taking the W. Yeah okay Packers, you're treating week 3 like a Superbowl. Get a little more classy. Everyone has bad **** happen to them. Remember the no call on Durant in Game 2 of the NBA Finals? That was potentially overtime, potentially the Thunder going up 2-0 in the Finals which might have changed the outcome/complexion of the series. And all Durant said was "I needed to do better, I should have made the play anyways"

Packers are taking shots at the Seahawks? Where is this being stated? All I've heard from Aaron Rodgers and other Packers has been comments on the refs. So unless you're implying the refs are wearing Seahawks jerseys, then I fail to see your point.

And lol at acting classy. I'm guessing Seahawks fans should have been acting classy when they got robbed against the Steelers? Are you telling me no comments came out of the players after the game? Hell, you don't think the Seahawks would have been outraged IN THE SUPERBOWL, if a game winning pass was called wrong?

True champions don't let that **** get deep under their skin. And the Packers are acting like the world fell on top of them, when from what I've heard, the Pack got some lucky-*** calls last year that heavily impacted/decided games too.

And if these bottle of emotions opens up their offense again...I guess it wasn't a good thing that this got under their skin right? Ever heard of the term "Playing with a chip on your shoulder"? Your Seahawks seem to do that quite well.

And so what if the Packers got a few calls last year? It still was no where near the magnitude of this game. The Packers got eliminated and rightfully so in the playoffs, because they were not good enough. Wouldn't surprise me if the replacement refs would have played a reversal in that game against the Giants last year.

Again, i agree that the real refs need to be back. The one who ruled touchdown from the worst view was probably the same guy who called holding on the Seahawks from deep in the secondary. A lot of people mention the Rice prayer pass interference. Okay, but how about BACK TO BACK holding calls? Neither were holding calls that normally get called, they usually dont call those. So then we're not even at 2nd and a mile if the back to back BS holdings don't get called! We can just all agree Seattle rightfully kept up with a "Superbowl contender" and despite the last call, played well enough to be able to win the game, it just shouldnt have ended the way it did

Didn't they not even have footage for one of the holding calls? Where are you getting this statement from?

P.S: I guarantee if it was flipped and it was the Seahawks who got the wrong end of a glaringly obvious call, the media wouldn't nearly be crying as much because it's the "beloved Green Bay Packers franchise!"

Congrats on stating the obvious. That sort of injustice has been going on in not just sports, but everything for a long time. Is it right? Of course not. However, if you don't think this still would have pissed off analysts if the roles were reversed and pushed for more negotiations, you're just being a fan to your team and nothing else.

I'm just gonna stop talking to you. As I said earlier. 49 states vs 1 (Washington). Kinda hard to argue against that. Majority of analysts are in favor of GB. Not gonna argue that either. Keep trying to make your points of "ifs and buts".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0EG9OYbZEbE&t=5m19s Not a Lions fan, but just an example

I definitely should not have said "never". I was just trying to relate it to how people can play rougher in the waning moments compared to the normal progression of a game. I know Mangini experienced a PI on a hail mary back when he coached Cleveland.

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Seattle fans are still *****ing about that superbowl? ffs let it go. Even if ben didn't score that one TD we still would of been up by 4 points. Probably 7 because we would of kicked a fg.

Pretty sure this isn't a matter of some salty Superbowl shenanigans/

 

[ZIO]

People are still miffed over the hail mary touchdown call in Seattle?

Didn't the NFL come out justifying that the call was good, and gave evidence to why it was the right call?

I saw their reasoning, and I can't see fault with it. Seems well within reason.

 

[Berserker Swordsman]

People are still miffed over the hail mary touchdown call in Seattle?

Didn't the NFL come out justifying that the call was good, and gave evidence to why it was the right call?

I saw their reasoning, and I can't see fault with it. Seems well within reason.

http://www.listenonrepeat.com/watch/?v=61ScTMVx5ws

 

[M@v]

Tery he threw it in at the end of his post. Also, that picture wins. Here's one of my favorites:

 

[ZIO]

http://www.listenonrepeat.com/watch/?v=61ScTMVx5ws

That doesn't disprove the case they made as to why the call was the right one, nor does doing that help your case.

 

[Berserker Swordsman]

I didn't say it did, as far as I'm concerned the play never happened because of pass interference. No reason to argue about a catch.

 

[ZIO]

Various things could have been called on both sides in that one play, and within the entire game, yet weren't.

It is what it is. But for that final call to be a touchdown was justified and people need to get over it and move on.

 

[Berserker Swordsman]

Various things could have been called on both sides in that one play, and within the entire game, yet weren't.

Such as? The NFL said the game would have ended on Tate's penalty, and didn't mention anything else for that play in terms of penalties. Would offsetting penalties result in a replayed down?

 

[Terywj [태리]]

Somehow Zio saying people need to get over **** and move on made me chuckle.

"As long as you catch the person catching the ball, you'll get the touchdown!"

If you look at the angles, it's obvious the safety completely had the ball and Tate just had like one arm around it. Not the same.

 

[Stealth Raptor]

nfl is just trying to (hilariously) protect the refs

 

[Jem.]

Just for Mav's sake: Darrell Jackson pushoff shouldn't have been called, Big Ben shouldn't have gotten the touchdown, Jerramy Stevens got the Hawks 1st and Goal but they called a holding call when the Steelers were offsides to start the play so it should have been a free play, and Hasselbeck got a 15 yard penalty for tackling the guy who intercepted his pass to stop him from getting a touchdown. LOL never seen that call on the QB.

But anyways.. That call shouldn't define the game. The first half was a beautiful defensive masterpiece by the Seahawks, and the 2nd half they showed grit in not getting blown out. Because if they didnt play as stout as they did, Packers are easily at ~21 points.

And TJ Lang, Offensive Guard for the Packers, was talking A LOT of trash on twitter after the game. He said along the lines that if anyone in Seattle actually thinks they won the game they have no integrity and players/coaches/fans shouldnt accept the win and that they didnt deserve to be able to win the game. When he contributed to Aaron Rodgers getting sacked 8 times..? Okay. Maybe I'd let Aaron Rodgers say that, but not some OG who gave up 8 sacks lmfao. Also, his twitter bio says "Best Offensive Guard on the Packers!!!" sweet ego bro, I think Clemons and Bruce Irvin just shattered it..

Again, we have a very recent example of a terrible call in a sports title game in the NBA Finals game 2. and Durant never, ever blamed the ref when everyone in the world knows the foul should have been called at the end of game 2. Maybe the Packers should have scored more than 12 points when they were on the field for 33-35 minutes, forget the number but it was near there.

What's funny is the Seahawks might benefit from this more than the Packers will from any "Revenge-rage play better factor" A lot of the Seahawks D was tweeting how its a shame no one is talking about what they did to the "beloved" Packers offense and they got a chip on their shoulder again.

I felt bad, my Dad bought our two tickets from Packer fans actually, but they were a really nice older-couple. We talked nicely throughout the game, but I still screamed at the top of my lungs. After the Hail Mary (Again, the stadium didnt know there was such controversy behind it, since all we remember is going into a freak yell/hugging/dancing celebration) the Packer fan woman was crying in her seat. Felt a tiny bit bad but.. oh well!

EDIT: Apparently the locked out refs might be ready to go Sunday if they finish their deal that made a lot of progress last night.

 

[Stealth Raptor]

wonder why they made a lot of progress all of a sudden


honestly though if the ref situation hadnt occured this season and the same determination was made for that last play, there wouldnt be anywhere near the controversy, just the fact that these worse refs exist is making the situation worse, everyone is looking for every little thing the refs are doing wrong and honestly could expose the mistakes the regular refs will make this season

 

[M@v]

Ref lockout's over. Normal refs will be back on the field for the Thursday night's game.

 

[Stealth Raptor]

That's awesome. Sucks that it took a lot of bad officiating to get it but then again I think we all knew that it had to happen for it to get done anyway lol

 

[ulises3000]

Honestly didn't expect anything until like next week or something. It's good it's over with though even though I kinda enjoyed seeing all the derp calls.

 

[ZIO]

Bet there will be numerous bad calls made on Sunday.

 

[Jem.]

NFL refs have to warm up too like they say.. After a 1 minute celebration in stadiums, we'll all go back to whining about the regular bad calls/no calls that happen in almost every game. But hey, that one minute will be glorious for the real refs!

 

[M@v]

Was totally gonna go to the steelers eagles game dressed as a replacement ref too if it was still going on.

 

[kd-]

Yep queue up normal bad calls deciding games instead of replacement bad calls.

Can the NHL take a leaf from this book and end its lockout? Thanks.

 

[Jem.]

With the first pick in the 2013 NFL Draft, the Cleveland Browns select ___ ____ ?

 

[Berserker Swordsman]

Another QB that won't have weaponsMatt Barkley!

 

[theeboredone]

I agree with Bill Simmons...

If Cleveland drafts Barkley...he will suck and be out of the NFL in a few years.

If Cleveland skips him, Barkley will go onto be a HoF. Curse of Cleveland.

 

[M@v]

Cleveland is the black hole of talent QBs. I've said this for years. I wouldnt be surprised if Barkley didn't enter this just to avoid the chance of cleveland drafting him. I sure would of if I was in his shoes.

 

[SharkAttack]

It's sad, but I can't really think of a good QB from Cleveland at all, except for Bernie Kossar? I do remember Tim Couch, Charlie Fry, and Brady Quinn, but they didn't do anything there. I think the Browns have only had one playoff appearance since returning to the NFL in 1999. That appearance was in 2002 I believe and they lost to the Steelers. In 2007 Cleveland had a good season, but just missed the playoffs with either a 9-7 or 10-6 record.