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Okay, a more in-depth list of changes by game, assuming there were no time constraints
Mario | Donkey Kong | Link | Samus | Yoshi | Kirby | Fox | Pikachu |
Luigi | Bowser | Marth | Mewtwo | King Dedede | Ness | Captain Falcon | Meowth |
Mushroom Kingdom | Kongo Jungle | Hyrule Castle | Planet Zebes | Super Happy Tree |
Green Greens | Great Fox | Pallet Town | Talys | Saturn Valley |
Mute City SNES | Meta Crystal | Duel Zone | Final Destination | RANDOM |
Luigi | Bowser | Mario | Donkey Kong | Link | Samus | Yoshi | Wario | Diddy Kong |
Ganondorf | King Dedede | Kirby | Fox | Pikachu | Ness | Captain Falcon | Falco | Mewtwo |
| Meowth | Peach | Zelda / Sheik | Marth | Scizor | Ice Climbers | Mr. Game & Watch | |
Mario: Bob-omb Battlefield | Luigi: Luigi Raceway | Bowser: Bowser's Castle | Peach: Rainbow Cruise | Wario: Rice Beach | Yoshi: Yoshi's Story | Donkey Kong: Kongo Falls |
Diddy Kong: Jungle Japes | Link: Great Bay | Zelda / Sheik: Temple | Ganondorf: Gerudo Valley | Samus: Brinstar | Kirby: Fountain of Dreams | King Dedede: Dedede Arena |
Fox: Corneria | Falco: Venom | Pikachu: Pokémon Stadium | Mewtwo: Cerulean Cave | Meowth: Meowth's Party | Scizor: Sprout Tower | Marth: Dragon's Table |
Ness: Onett | Captain Falcon: Big Blue | Battlefield | Meta Crystal | Final Destination | Ice Cimbers: Condor's Peak | Mr. Game & Watch Flat Zone |
Mario | Luigi | Bowser | Peach | Donkey Kong | Diddy Kong | Yoshi | Wario | Link | Zelda / Sheik |
Ganondorf | Tetra | Samus / Zero Suit Samus | Kirby | King Dedede | Meta Knight | Fox | Falco | Wolf | Pikachu |
Pokémon Trainer (Totodile / Grovyle / Charizard) | Meowth | Lucario | Marth | Lyn | Ike | Ness | Lucas | Captain Falcon | Ice Climbers |
| Mr. Game & Watch | Pit | Olimar | Isaac | DeMille | R.O.B. | Snake | Sonic | |
Battlefield | Final Destination | Delfino Plaza | Waluigi Pinball | Luigi's Mansion | Bramble Blast | 25m | Bridge of Eldin |
Pirate Ship | Norfair | Chozo Temple | Yoshi's Island | Halberd | Rainbow Route | Lylat Cruise | Pokémon Stadium 2 |
Spear Pillar | Castle Siege | New Pork City | Fourside | Casino Palace | Summit | WarioWare, Inc. | Flat Zone 2 |
Skyworld | Forest of Hope | Venus Lighthouse | Spillville | Smashville | PictoChat | Shadow Moses Island | Green Hill Zone |
Mario | Luigi | Bowser | Bowser Jr. | Peach | Rosalina & Luma | Yoshi | Wario | Donkey Kong |
Diddy Kong | Link | Zelda | Sheik | Tetra | Ganondorf | Ghirahim | Samus | Zero Suit Samus |
Kirby | King Dedede | Meta Knight | Fox | Falco | Pikachu | Charizard | Meowth | Scizor |
Lucario | Greninja | Marth | Lyn | Ike | Robin | Ness | Captain Falcon | Mr. Game & Watch |
Pit | Palutena | Olimar | Isaac | DeMille | R.O.B. | Villager | Wii Fit Trainer | Little Mac |
RANDOM | Shulk | Takamaru | Dark Pit | Sonic | Mega Man | PAC-MAN | Mii Fighter | Extra Fighters -> |
| Pack 1 | Pack 2 | Pack 3 | Pack 4 |
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Mewtwo | Ryu | Cloud | Bayonetta |
Rayman | Lucas | Azura | Duck Hunt |
Battlefield | Final Destination | 3D Land | Golden Plains | Luiginary Works | Rainbow Road | Waluigi Pinball (Brawl) |
Golden Temple | Kongo Jungle (64) | Spirit Train | Gerudo Valley (Melee) | Brinstar (Melee) | Yoshi's New Island | Butter Building |
Rainbow Route (Brawl) | Corneria (Melee) | Unova Pokémon League | Sprout Tower (Melee) | Arena Ferox | Magicant | Mute City SNES (64) |
Rice Beach (Melee) | Flat Zone (Melee) | Reset Bomb Forest | Forest of Hope (Brawl) | Spillville (Brawl) | Tortimer Island | Boxing Ring |
Game Boy | Find Mii | Tomodachi Life | Living Room | PictoChat (Brawl) | Water Palace | Wily Castle |
PAC-MAZE | Jibberish Jungle (DLC) | Suzaku Castle (DLC) | Midgar (DLC) | Opera House (DLC) | Umbra Clock Tower (DLC) | Duck Hunt (DLC) |
Battlefield | Big Battlefield | Final Destination | Mushroom Kingdom U | Mario Galaxy | World Bowser | Cloudtop Cruise | Delfino Plaza |
Luigi's Mansion | Grassland Groove | 25m | Skyloft | Bridge of Eldin | Pirate Ship | Pyrosphere | Planet Zebes |
Chozo Temple | Super Happy Tree | Quilty Square | Halberd | Orbtal Gate Assault | Great Fox | Lylat Cruise | Kalos Pokémon League |
Pokémon Stadium 2 | Tower of Guidance | Castle Siege | Onett | Casino Palace | Flat Zone 2 | Palutena's Temple | Skyworld |
Garden of Hope | Venus Lighthouse | Gyromite | Town and City | Smashville | Wii Fit Studio | Boxing Ring | Gaur Plain |
Murasame Castle | Wrecking Crew | Wuhu Island | Windy Hill | Wily Castle | PAC-MAZE | Final Destination (Melee) | Gamer (DLC) |
WarioWare, Inc. (DLC) | Super Mario Maker (DLC) | Fiesta de Los Muertos (DLC) | Suzaku Castle (DLC) | Midgar (DLC) | Umbra Clock Tower (DLC) | Duck Hunt (DLC) | Pilotwings (DLC) |
Battlefield | Big Battlefield | Final Destination | Mushroom Kingdom U | Mario Galaxy | World Bowser | Cloudtop Cruise | Delfino Plaza |
Luigi's Mansion | Gamer | WarioWare, Inc. | Grassland Groove | 25m | Super Happy Tree | Skyloft | Bridge of Eldin |
Pirate Ship | Pyrosphere | Planet Zebes | Chozo Temple | Quilty Sqaure | Halberd | Orbital Gate Assault | Great Fox |
Lylat Cruise | Kalos Pokémon League | Pokémon Stadium 2 | Tower of Guidance | Castle Siege | Onett | Casino Palace | Flat Zone 2 |
Palutena's Temple | Skyworld | Garden of Hope | Venus Lighthouse | Gyromite | Town and City | Smashville | Wii Fit Studio |
Boxing Ring | Gaur Plain | Murasame Castle | Wrecking Crew | Pilotwings | Wuhu Island | Windy Hill | Wily Castle |
PAC-MAZE | Final Destination (Melee) | Super Mario Maker (DLC) | Fiesta de los Muertos (DLC) | Suzaku Castle (DLC) | Midgar (DLC) | Umbra Clock Tower (DLC) | Duck Hunt (DLC) |
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3rd party characters are cool but at the same time, I don't want them to overshadow the series.
That's not what I meant. I can agree that there shouldn't be an over saturation of 3rd party characters, since this is a Nintendo thing and all.
But you also mentioned Sonic, a character that fits right in with Nintendo's style of characters.
Either give Melee another six months of development (and some time for Sakurai to breathe) or secure a separate studio for Subspace, while the main team focuses on the rest of the game.
At this point, it feels like Sonic should just be a mainstay for Smash. Then again, I guess he IS.
No, Sonic may have color and some general similarities but he's no Mario or Nintendo character. It varies, depending on what Sonic game it is.
What I wouldn't give to put Bandana Dee in Smash 4! I don't entirely speak for the fanbase, but there's no good enough reason for his high chances to have bottlenecked the Kirby choices this long, ESPECIALLY when he once had every single validation to get in 10 years ago, and only STARTED to have any real competition for half that time! We should've been discussing what Kirby character comes after his presumed lock, not keep pushing this narrative despite unnecessarily futile efforts!
I think the first-party characters I want the most may have to be Takamaru, Saki Amamiya, Mike Jones and Karate Joe.
Just curious but why Traveler's tales of all studios? They don't strike me as a studio that can really help a lot for a fighting games. Someone like Capcom, Sega or ArcSystems just feels like a more natural fit.
Sonic really isn't any different from the kind of characters Nintendo makes, no matter how much he varies. Let's be real here.
Well, Mega Man is more Anime than Scrimblo, but okay.
What does that have to do with what company made him?
Sorry, I didn't read correctly.
No, you're just randomly and deliberately shoehorning your obsession with "Scrimblos" into a conversation again.Sorry, I didn't read correctly.
Which Nintendo 1st party E rated game has dialogue comparable to Sonic or the type of music?
They were a huge waste of resources that could be better spent modeling more Fighters/Stages/ATs.
Games have unique dialogues all the time, What's the big deal about Sonic's being so different?
Im pretty sure Metal Slug characters count depending on who's doing the art for any given game.
I love the conviction that the Bandana Dee fanbase has.
You didn't answer my question. What Nintendo 1st party rated E game has dialogue and music comparable to Sonic? I'm not gonna help you with that one.
Homie says he like the diversity, why are you trying so hard to disagree and argue about if Sonic is an honorary Nintendo character?
Didn't ask for your help. And you didn't answer my question either. What's the big deal about Sonic's dialogue being different when so many games (including Nintendo's own) are different from each other?
He...didn't say anything about Sonic's speed. Did you even read his posts?Homie says he like the diversity, why are you trying so hard to disagree and argue about if Sonic is an honorary Nintendo character?
You’re acting like Sonic in Brawl wasn’t a novelty with his insane, newly introduced speed. Even when you tripped, you hardly got punished for it.
It's so bizarre that Giygas has gotten pretty much nothing in Smash Bros outside of a couple of mentions in other characters' descriptions. Not even a spirit or a phase 2 of a Porky boss battle?
I could see the Boss Battle being awkward due to how the fight is, and being that Mewtwo was loosely based upon him anyway, there's not really much you can do to make the fight that interesting or stand out(besides essentially copying another Kirby boss pattern. Which wasn't a bad thing, mind you).
Yeah. He likes the diversity from fresh, non-Nintendo franchises like Sonic, Bayonetta, and Simon Belmont.
This was unrelated, and unnecessary to push because that wasn’t his point. So? It doesn’t change the fact that he’s non-Nintendo, which is the only thing he was talking about.
Did you read them?
BWD isn't really my cup of tea, but I completely acknowledge he's perfectly qualified for inclusion and would be the logical next rep from Kirby.
Same here.
Clearly you didn't. Stop making excuses. You missed the very first post when he mentioned Sonic. Nobody was disputing him for liking 3rd party characters more:This was unrelated, and unnecessary to push because that wasn’t his point. So? It doesn’t change the fact that he’s non-Nintendo, which is the only thing he was talking about.
Did you read them?
But when he gave a little more reasoning for liking 3rd party characters more (just a reminder, I didn't push for a reason):
That was kind of confusing because, like I said, he mentioned Sonic, a colorful character similar to Nintendo's.
Which is true, as he went on to say this anyway.
So it should have ended right there. But he still got super defensive for some reason. So don't blame me for dragging it on.
I hope the team-up mechanic isn't important to him anymore because I don't see him tethering Diddy at this point and I don't want ****ing Kiddy Kong.
She wouldn't be teaming up with Diddy anyway. That time has passed.I hope the team-up mechanic isn't important to him anymore because I don't see him tethering Diddy at this point and I don't want ****ing Kiddy Kong.
I don't think Sakurai would discard her without the tag mechanic, she's still a fairly major part of her series. It's not like she's Sheik. I just don't think the opportunity has presented itself due to bad timing and getting outclassed. Unless he was just to make her a clone of some sort. And it's good he hasn't, because once DK comes back it seems like she'll be part of it and then getting in as an original character seems probable to me.
DK, for whatever reason, also seems like it has to fight for its content more than some other series. I mean it took until Ultimate just to get an AT.
I was gonna ask why you think that but after reading some of the answers, yeah the question is kinda pointless because people don't seem to understand development restraints.
Depends. Didn't Hideki Kamiya say (pretty confidently) that he intends to continue the Bayonetta series for a long time? Also, the Hellena Taylor controversy really doesn't matter imo. It's a stain on the series' history for sure but is pretty minor in the grand scheme of things.
