Hadokeyblade
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No, no he should be second, the chaos would be funny.Yeah, and ideally, Super Mario RPG Geno should be first out of the two.
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No, no he should be second, the chaos would be funny.Yeah, and ideally, Super Mario RPG Geno should be first out of the two.
Too much value in just releasing ports/remasters/remakes.The Pikmin games getting ported just makes me think we arent getting Gamecube online, we already have a few Gamecube games playable on switch at thispoint, it would be kinda redundant to do so.
Sure, certain Geno fans really didn't act in a suitable way last time (underselling it a bit here), and the Geno thread got locked numerous times because of a lot of unsavory incidents that happened there, that I won't deny. However, I can't claim they were all the bad players for what happened in the last speculation cycle considering there was a crowd hoping to see Geno's eventual deconfirmation so they can have their laughs and joys at their loss.I'm very happy for them, the game looks great and there's finally something new in Geno's resume that could actually affect things.
And I agree there are more worthwhile things to focus on.
But their actions last time very much contributed to the state we arrived at, so I don't agree with how that second sentence is framed.
But it also makes me wonder if Smash Ultimate may not be a one-time thing with these third-party companies. Sonic and Mega Man has always been around, so there's nothing to worry about with them but Cloud and Joker both got their biggest games (which is also their debut games) released on a Nintendo console for the first time while Snake got a collection that includes his biggest game released on that very same console. Like you said, there's also Dante who finally has his own game released on a Nintendo console. So these kind of things help their exposure to the Nintendo and Smash Bros fanbase.I think it's more about Switch being very successful and Square and Nintendo seemingly having fully mended their rift.
Snake is showing up about as often as usual (which is not that often), and Persona, granted, is showing up better than before. Though the same can be said about its presence on Xbox as well, so it's not specifically Nintendo-related.
I mean, Dante is showing up better than before, and he's only a costume. Crash has had good attendance, and he's nothing. The Switch is even getting support from Valve and Rockstar.
I was thinking about posting something like that in my last post. I’d be selling popcorn if that happened for sure!No, no he should be second, the chaos would be funny.
I wouldn't suggest they were unilaterally bad either, there were plenty of agreeable and level-headed Geno supporters.Sure, certain Geno fans really didn't act in a suitable way last time (underselling it a bit here), and the Geno thread got locked numerous times because of a lot of unsavory incidents that happened there, that I won't deny. However, I can't claim they were all the bad players for what happened in the last speculation cycle considering there was a crowd hoping to see Geno's eventual deconfirmation so they can have their laughs and joys at their loss.
Agreed.In any case, Geno fans have a legitemate argument to make their stand for the next game thanks to this remake, and no one can take that away from them.
i'd meaning to say there should be another one in the unpopular opinions threadOh yeah, Super Princess Peach 2 is gonna be a thing. I'm pretty happy that's a series too now.
I don't care what anybody says, Super Princess Peach should NOT have been a one-off. Glad that's finally being rectified.Oh yeah, Super Princess Peach 2 is gonna be a thing. I'm pretty happy that's a series too now.
I guess it would be if he didn’t have the popularity to back him up but Geno is uh, infamously popular.Meh, still think it's about as likely as Magolor being in Smash. As in still not very likely.
So is Bandana Dee and he's a main series character.I guess it would be if he didn’t have the popularity to back him up but Geno is uh, infamously popular.
Right, yeah so they both got a pretty good shot for next time around.So is Bandana Dee and he's a main series character.
Nah Magolors like the second most popular Kirby Newcomer and kirby at this point desreves 2 Newcomers so yeah if sakurai isnt responsible for the Kirby Characters next time arround hes in! (Probably)Meh, still think it's about as likely as Magolor being in Smash. As in still not very likely.
I think even if those who missed the boat stay highly requested and keep their momentum they can eventually make it one day like we've seen with Ridley, K.Rool and Banjo.Right, yeah so they both got a pretty good shot for next time around.
Usually new Smash games come out within the first two years of a console's lifespan. Right now I'm leaning toward the Switch's successor showing up around March 2025, so by the end of 2027 is when I expect the next Smash.How soon will we even get a new Smash? Will we get a second one on the Switch since there are a lot of new stuff coming soon?
If we're going by the usual "relevance", I don't think SMRPGR will have much influence.
Also relevance is a BS metric to choose characters with anyway since it comes and goes and Sakurai doesn't even like cutting characters.
By that time, SMRPGR will be a bit far in the past though.Usually new Smash games come out within the first two years of a console's lifespan. Right now I'm leaning toward the Switch's successor showing up around March 2025, so by the end of 2027 is when I expect the next Smash.
I’m expecting the next console in 2024 and the next Smash in 2025 myself.Usually new Smash games come out within the first two years of a console's lifespan. Right now I'm leaning toward the Switch's successor showing up around March 2025, so by the end of 2027 is when I expect the next Smash.
It would be more realistic to see the Switch successor next year, as we've already kinda caught up to the pushback from the pandemic.By that time, SMRPGR will be a bit far in the past though.
I think its important to remember just because we could get a new Smash game by 12/27, that does not mean the roster will completely reflect that.By that time, SMRPGR will be a bit far in the past though.
If we get a Pikmin 4 character, I could see them being a semi clone or echo fighter of Olimar. Have them use Ice, Rock, and Glow Pikmin in the mix instead of the standard lot for Olimar. Maybe you give them Winged Pikmin too and change their UP B to Oatshi.I just had a thought about Olimar, or anyone from Pikmin 4 that becomes playable next Smash. How about if the stage is dark or nighttime, the Pikmin character pulls out Glow Pikmin to assist them in the fight? I think it would be a nice touch.
Oh, nice thoughts! I love the idea of dealing with frenzied creatures at night in a Pikmin stage!If we get a Pikmin 4 character, I could see them being a semi clone or echo fighter of Olimar. Have them use Ice, Rock, and Glow Pikmin in the mix instead of the standard lot for Olimar. Maybe you give them Winged Pikmin too and change their UP B to Oatshi.
I think a stage based on nightime or one of the caves is a good call, particularly to avoid being too similar to Distant Planet or Garden of Hope.
Recently I learned that you can check the best-selling DLCs for Smash Ultimate with the eShop, here are the results.
— 🏳️🌈Trey™ 🇵🇸 (@Treydemark_) June 17, 2023
(I'm also including Mii Costumes if they're in between the Fighters.)
1. Fighters Pass Vol. 2
2. Steve & Alex
3. Piranha Plant (Unsure if the free pre-order bonus…
Required reading for the people that can't comprehend why people expect third parties in DLC.Recently I learned that you can check the best-selling DLCs for Smash Ultimate with the eShop, here are the results.
— 🏳️🌈Trey™ 🇵🇸 (@Treydemark_) June 17, 2023
(I'm also including Mii Costumes if they're in between the Fighters.)
1. Fighters Pass Vol. 2
2. Steve & Alex
3. Piranha Plant (Unsure if the free pre-order bonus…
So, this is kind of a rough sale list for Ultimate's DLC. At least in NA. Happy to see Joker and Sora sold particularly well.
Full list so people dont have to go on twitter.
- Fighters Pass Vol. 2
- Steve & Alex
- Piranha Plant (Unsure if the free pre-order bonus is counted too)
- Fighters Pass Vol. 1
- Sora
- Joker
- Kazuya
- Sephiroth
- Pyra/Mythra
- Sans Costume
- Cuphead Costume
- Byleth
- Terry
- Banjo & Kazooie
- Hero
- Min Min
Decided to go all out and document the entire dlc ranking for the US including all the miisRecently I learned that you can check the best-selling DLCs for Smash Ultimate with the eShop, here are the results.
— 🏳️🌈Trey™ 🇵🇸 (@Treydemark_) June 17, 2023
(I'm also including Mii Costumes if they're in between the Fighters.)
1. Fighters Pass Vol. 2
2. Steve & Alex
3. Piranha Plant (Unsure if the free pre-order bonus…
So, this is kind of a rough sale list for Ultimate's DLC. At least in NA. Happy to see Joker and Sora sold particularly well.
Full list so people dont have to go on twitter.
- Fighters Pass Vol. 2
- Steve & Alex
- Piranha Plant (Unsure if the free pre-order bonus is counted too)
- Fighters Pass Vol. 1
- Sora
- Joker
- Kazuya
- Sephiroth
- Pyra/Mythra
- Sans Costume
- Cuphead Costume
- Byleth
- Terry
- Banjo & Kazooie
- Hero
- Min Min
Well ideally I'm sure Sakurai/Nintendo would like to retain them all, but, assuming it isn't a deluxe version, cuts are going to be substantial enough that some of them are just going to have to go. And since third-parties aren't added on the basis of their Nintendo support, I don't think they'll be cut on that basis either.But it also makes me wonder if Smash Ultimate may not be a one-time thing with these third-party companies. Sonic and Mega Man has always been around, so there's nothing to worry about with them but Cloud and Joker both got their biggest games (which is also their debut games) released on a Nintendo console for the first time while Snake got a collection that includes his biggest game released on that very same console. Like you said, there's also Dante who finally has his own game released on a Nintendo console. So these kind of things help their exposure to the Nintendo and Smash Bros fanbase.
With the success of both Ultimate and Nintendo's current console, they may see too much value to be missing out when the next Smash game comes around.
Probably not, it's unwise to expect two original newcomers in one game from any series.Nah Magolors like the second most popular Kirby Newcomer and kirby at this point desreves 2 Newcomers so yeah if sakurai isnt responsible for the Kirby Characters next time arround hes in! (Probably)
That doesn't usually hinder fan choices or third-parties as much as regular first-parties.By that time, SMRPGR will be a bit far in the past though.
Did they just add this feature? Because, like... if it was possible before someone would've done it a long time ago.Recently I learned that you can check the best-selling DLCs for Smash Ultimate with the eShop, here are the results.
— 🏳️🌈Trey™ 🇵🇸 (@Treydemark_) June 17, 2023
(I'm also including Mii Costumes if they're in between the Fighters.)
1. Fighters Pass Vol. 2
2. Steve & Alex
3. Piranha Plant (Unsure if the free pre-order bonus…
So, this is kind of a rough sale list for Ultimate's DLC. At least in NA. Happy to see Joker and Sora sold particularly well.
Full list so people dont have to go on twitter.
- Fighters Pass Vol. 2
- Steve & Alex
- Piranha Plant (Unsure if the free pre-order bonus is counted too)
- Fighters Pass Vol. 1
- Sora
- Joker
- Kazuya
- Sephiroth
- Pyra/Mythra
- Sans Costume
- Cuphead Costume
- Byleth
- Terry
- Banjo & Kazooie
- Hero
- Min Min
I think for most series, it is unwise. But there are a small selection of ones that I think could reasonably get two original characters in a modern Smash game. Mario and Pokemon both have done so since Melee and are Nintendo's largest series. Getting two Mario characters or two Pokemon isn't the weirdest thing at the end of the day.Probably not, it's unwise to expect two original newcomers in one game from any series.
Did they just add this feature? Because, like... if it was possible before someone would've done it a long time ago.
Decided to go all out and document the entire dlc ranking for the US including all the miis
1. Fighters Pass 2
2. Steve
3. Plant (Technically a pre-order freebie, so may fudge the numbers)
4. Fighters Pass 1
5. Sora
6. Joker
7. Sephiroth
8. Pythra
9. Kazuya
10. Sans
11. Cuphead
12. Terry
13. Byleth
14. Banjo
15. Hero
16. Min Min
17. Doomslayer
18. Pig
19. Diamond Armor
20. Creeper
21. Rathalos
22. Bomberman
23. Vaultboy
24. Dante
25. Knuckles
26. Tails
27. Dragonborn
28. Altäir
29. Team Rocket
30. Shantae
31. Ryo
32. Rabbid
33. Proto Man
34. Tifa
35. X
36. Zero
37. Heihachi
38. Geno
39. P3 Protagonist
40. P4 Protagonist
41. Octoling
42. Arthur
43. Lloyd
44. Callie
45. Marie
46. Barret
47. Aerith
48. Megaman.EXE
49. Judd
50. Morgana
51. Erdrick
52. Travis
53. Martial Artist
54. Ninjara
55. Hunter's Mail
56. Iori
57. Gil
58. Chocobo
59. Felyne
60. Akira
61. Slime
62. Nakoruru
63. Jacky
64. Goemon
65. Teddie
66. Veronica
1. Sans
2. Cuphead
3. Doomslayer
4. Pig
5. Diamond Armor
6. Creeper
7. Rathalos
8. Bomberman
9. Vaultboy
10. Dante
11. Knuckles
12. Tails
13. Dragonborn
14. Altäir
15. Team Rocket
16. Shantae
17. Ryo
18. Rabbid
19. Proto Man
20. Tifa
21. X
22. Zero
23. Heihachi
24. Geno
25. P3 Protagonist
26. P4 Protagonist
27. Octoling
28. Arthur
29. Lloyd
30. Callie
31. Marie
32. Barret
33. Aerith
34. Megaman.EXE
35. Judd
36. Morgana
37. Erdrick
38. Travis
39. Martial Artist
40. Ninjara
41. Hunter's Mail
42. Iori
43. Gil
44. Chocobo
45. Felyne
46. Akira
47. Slime
48. Nakoruru
49. Jacky
50. Goemon
51. Teddie
52. Veronica
My big takeaway here is Doomslayer being third out of all costumes and Minecraft stuff in general being an easy seller
Really cool to get all this information! I'd love to see what it is like in the rest of Europe and Japan especially.Required reading for the people that can't comprehend why people expect third parties in DLC.
They typically sell extremely well. However it's not a shock that, in the West, Hero came in low along with Terry. Banjo is the surprising one, especially beneath Byleth and Terry with how people talked him up and **** on the other two.
For the UK the list is
Steve
Plant
FP2
Joker
FP1
Sephiroth
Sans costume
Pythra
Kazuya
Sora
Cuphead costume
Banjo
Min Min
Byleth
Hero
Terry
There's also mii costumes to factor and, again in the UK, they are:
1. Sans
2. Cuphead
3. Doom Slayer
4. Pig
5. Diamond armour
6. Creeper
7. Rathalos armour
8. Bomberman
9. Dante
10. Dragonborn
11. Vault Boy
12. Team Rocket
13. Rabbid hat
14. Tails
15. Knuckles
16. Altair
17. Geno
18. Heihachi
19. Shantae
20. Octoling wig
21. Marie
22. P3 Protag
23. Callie
24. Judd hat
25. X
26. Arthur
27. Morgana Hat
28. P4 Protag
29. Slime hat
30. Ninjara
31. Travis
32. Ryo Sakazaki
33. Tifa
34. Lloyd
35. Proto Man
36. Zero
37. Barret
38. Martial Artist
39. Veronica
40. Nakoruru
41. Felyne Hat
42. Hunter Armour
43. Gil
44. Chocobo Hat
45. Erdrick
46. Akira
47. MegaMan.EXE
48. Aerith
49. Iori
50. Jacky
51. Teddie hat
52. Goemon
From general observations, Doom Slayer, Minecraft, Rathalos armour, Dante, Team Rocket, Dragonborn and Bomberman generally round out the top 10 mii outfits outside of Sans and Cuphead with characters like Vault Boy, Tails and Altair coming close or making it in on occasion. Other notable strong performers include Geno, Rabbid Hat, Heihachi and Knuckles.
That doesn't make it prudent to expect it, that just means it could happen. Yeah Mario and Pokemon have received more than one original newcomer before, but after Melee, it only happened one time for each, 4 and Brawl respectively.I think for most series, it is unwise. But there are a small selection of ones that I think could reasonably get two original characters in a modern Smash game. Mario and Pokemon both have done so since Melee and are Nintendo's largest series. Getting two Mario characters or two Pokemon isn't the weirdest thing at the end of the day.
I don't think the entire fanbase would've missed this during the time the characters were actually coming out. This fanbase is insanely obsessive and meticulous.As for the feature, idk? At the very least, this was not brought up or common knowledge beforehand. I feel like people can just miss easy to access stuff like this.
I am happy that we do have this nugget of information though, it is interesting.