Official Next Smash - Speculation & Discussion Thread

[JustPlainDan]

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In regards to Nintendo characters:
Bandanna Waddle Dee, Dixie Kong, Raven Beak, Krystal, and a LoZ character

In regards to 3rd party:
Leon Kennedy, Dante, Shantae, Doomslayer, and a Mortal Kombat character

 

[RileyXY1]

Aaronitmar released another video on SSBU's Classic Mode.

It got me curious; which routes would you guys change?

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• Samus: Rathalos as the Final Round boss
• Fox: Marx as the Final Round boss
• Ness: Marx as the Final Round boss
• Jigglypuff: Master Hand following the Giant DK in the Final Round
• Peach: Ridley in Round 6, Bowser/Giga Bowser as the Final Round boss
• Daisy: A route about fighting every Mario and Mario-adjacent character, with Bowser/Giga Bowser
• Sheik: Galleom as the Final Round boss
• Dr. Mario: Marx as the Final Round boss
• Falco: A route about fighting characters with more than two jumps, with Rathalos as the Final Round boss
• Ganondorf: A route where you fight every character who debuted in Melee, with Bowser/Giga Bowser as the Final Round boss
• Roy: Ganon as the Final Round boss
• Mr. Game & Watch: A route about going back in time from the Switch era to the NES era, with Dracula as the Final Round boss
• Meta Knight: Marx as the Final Round boss
• Pit: Dracula as the Final Round boss
• Wario: A route about three-way fights between Wario certain heroes and villains, with Dracula as the Final Round boss
• Ike: Dracula as the Final Round boss
• Sonic: A route where you fight every character who debuted in Brawl, with Galleom as the Final Round boss
• King Dedede: Ganon as the Final Round boss
• Olimar: A route about opponents larger than Olimar, with Bowser/Giga Bowser as the Final Round boss
• R.O.B.: A route recreating the Subspace Emissary, with Galleom as the Round 4 boss, Wario in Round 5, Bowser in Round 6, and Ganondorf in the Final Round
• Toon Link: A route with a team of 4 Toon Links fighting another team of 4 opponents, with Ganon as the Final Round boss
• Wii Fit Trainer: Bowser/Giga Bowser as the Final Round boss
• Little Mac: A route more closely based on the Punch-Out games
• Mii Fighters: A route about fighting opponents based on the three Mii Fighter classes
• Robin: A route about fighitng opponents based on Robin's tomes
• Cloud: A route about fighting Sm4sh's DLC characters
• Richter: Crazy Hand as the Final Round boss, folloeing a battle against Simon
• King K. Rool: A route about fighting protagonists with the help of fellow villains
• Joker: A route about fighting characters based on the seven deadly sins
• Hero: A route about fighting characters from JRPG's
• Banjo-Kazooie: A route about notable appearances on the N64, with Ganon as the Final Round boss
• Byleth: A route referencing Fire Emblem gameplay mechanics
• Min Min: A route about fighters with slowly increasing range each round, with Galleom as the Final Round boss
• Steve: A route about fighting every 3rd party character in the base game
• Sephiroth: A route referencing the first 7 Final Fantasy games, with marx as the Round 6 boss and Cloud as the last opponent
• Pyra / Mythra: A route referencing the Xeno games
• Sora: A route where you fight every character in the base game

Marx doesn't fit the theme of Ness's route. Ness's route is about playing through the events of Earthbound in reverse, with matches themed around the events of the game, with the player starting in Magicant and ending in Onett. The only change I would make to Ness's route is to have the final battle against Master Hand take place on Omega Form Onett instead of Final Destination (notably DK, Joker, and Sephiroth fight Master Hand on other stages, those being New Donk City Hall, Mementos, and Northern Cave respectively, so this is not out of the question).

 

[chocolatejr9]

I forgot Sega was also in on the acquisition game:

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At least we have an excuse to talk Angry Birds in Smash...

 

[Sucumbio]

A billion? Dang .. who knew they had such expansive coffers ...

 

[CapitaineCrash]

I forgot Sega was also in on the acquisition game:

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At least we have an excuse to talk Angry Birds in Smash...

They weren't really big on the acquisition game to be honest, last thing I recall was them buying Amplitude studios in 2016 and Two point studios in 2019.

I'm more surprised that Sega have 1 billion$ to throw on acquisition than anything really. It's like a third of what Sega is worth today.

Personally I still don't see Angry birds as very likely, even Nintendo's mobile games barely had any representation in Smash aside from FE heroes so I'd be shocked to see third party mobile games in Smash, especially because, while still fairly popular, Angry birds peak popularity is over for a long time.

 

[TCT~Phantom]

I forgot Sega was also in on the acquisition game:

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At least we have an excuse to talk Angry Birds in Smash...

For me, Angry Birds occupies a bit of a weird spot where I think it deserves Smash representation... just not exactly a playable character.

I know Smash has not pulled from mobile games that much before, but Angry Birds is one of the few games that really represent mobile gaming in the mainstream. This isn't to say that plenty of mobile games haven't done well, but Angry Birds back in 2015 hit over three billion downloads as a series. Angry Birds is undeniably part of the cultural zeitgeist, its massive. While it's star might not be as bright as it was a decade ago, the IP is still doing well, it still has tons of stuff planned for the future.

My main issue is similar to my issue with Tetris: adapting the iconic designs into a character. You would need to take plenty of creative liberties in oder to make an Angry Birds character work. It's just one of those things that I think would be better represented with a stage. Having the characters fight on some pig fortress while the birds destroy part of the stage to take down pigs, that would be neat.

 

[SuperSonicFlyer]

I forgot Sega was also in on the acquisition game:

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At least we have an excuse to talk Angry Birds in Smash...

A bit related, but...

Why is it that Japanese companies can buy outside-of-Japan companies while it is harder to buy companies in Japan from outside of it due to the Japanese government needing to get involved?

 

[fogbadge]

A bit related, but...

Why is it that Japanese companies can buy outside-of-Japan companies while it is harder to buy companies in Japan from outside of it due to the Japanese government needing to get involved?

because britain ruins everything so they got to make sure we don't go on a spending spree

if someone could let me know if that makes any sense

 

[DarthEnderX]

Why is it that Japanese companies can buy outside-of-Japan companies while it is harder to buy companies in Japan from outside of it due to the Japanese government needing to get involved?

Because Japanese law?

 

[SuperSonicFlyer]

Because Japanese law?

I know that. It’s just that I was hoping for a bigger answer than something like this.

 

[chocolatejr9]

A bit related, but...

Why is it that Japanese companies can buy outside-of-Japan companies while it is harder to buy companies in Japan from outside of it due to the Japanese government needing to get involved?

I... don't know. I tried looking it up, but couldn't find anything.

I know Saudi Arabia has been making moves to buy Japanese game companies, though...

 

[SuperSonicFlyer]

I... don't know. I tried looking it up, but couldn't find anything.

I know Saudi Arabia has been making moves to buy Japanese game companies, though...

Well, all that is interesting.

I certainly hope how buying Japanese companies works to outsiders is not because of any racism from Japan.

 

[Sucumbio]

Well, all that is interesting.

I certainly hope how buying Japanese companies works to outsiders is not because of any racism from Japan.

"The law requires foreign investors to report to the Japanese government and undergo inspection in case they buy 10% or more of stocks in listed Japanese companies or acquire shares of unlisted firms. If the government finds any shortcomings, it can order foreign investors to change or cancel their investment plans." Reuters - May 26, 2019

So it should be noted that since too big to fail in 2008 most governments of major world economies get involved with mergers and acquisitions. Japan has several unique business etiquettes specifically not going in to things without tons of research and caution, not allowing belligerence, and when combined with their cultural aversion to foreigners, results in today's Japanese economy where they have plenty of purchasing power but aren't selling. So while Sega can buy, buying Sega would be impossible.

 

[SuperSonicFlyer]

"The law requires foreign investors to report to the Japanese government and undergo inspection in case they buy 10% or more of stocks in listed Japanese companies or acquire shares of unlisted firms. If the government finds any shortcomings, it can order foreign investors to change or cancel their investment plans." Reuters - May 26, 2019

So it should be noted that since too big to fail in 2008 most governments of major world economies get involved with mergers and acquisitions. Japan has several unique business etiquettes specifically not going in to things without tons of research and caution, not allowing belligerence, and when combined with their cultural aversion to foreigners, results in today's Japanese economy where they have plenty of purchasing power but aren't selling. So while Sega can buy, buying Sega would be impossible.

So, by cultural aversion, it is racism?

Either way, this does suck, and seems rather unfair. I wonder how much trouble those in Saudi Arabia, as C chocolatejr9 mentioned, have been having in trying to buy Japanese game companies?

 

[silenthunder]

Did a poll with about 80 votes can I post the results here?

Edit: can you imagine Red in Sega all-star racing?

 

[Geno Boost]

A bit related, but...

Why is it that Japanese companies can buy outside-of-Japan companies while it is harder to buy companies in Japan from outside of it due to the Japanese government needing to get involved?

Embracer group bought Toaplan so I think it depends

 

[silenthunder]

Characters from anime, movies, toys, and real life Nazis I didn't count. All votes for my mother went to cooking mama.

First place (4 votes) cooking mama and crash bandicoot

(3 votes) reimu (touhou), skull kid (Zelda), the knight (hollow knight), 2b (nier autonima)

(2 votes) bandana waddle dee, phoenix wright, sol badguy, sceptile/ grovyle, eggman, tails, zero, Noah

(1 vote) Raz, 47, Larharl, Hat kid, Freddy Fazbear, any team fortress 2, master chief, smeargle, mametchi, emolga, morrigan, kamek, big boss, solaire, any Danganronpa, mach rider, ahri (league of legends), waluigi, elma, Todd snap, a2, V1 , professor Layton, Medline, marina Liteyears, jibanyan, impa, Sub-Zero, Geno, battle toads, arle nadja, metal sonic

 

[Perkilator]

Characters from anime, movies, toys, and real life Nazis I didn't count. All votes for my mother went to cooking mama.

First place (4 votes) cooking mama and crash bandicoot

(3 votes) reimu (touhou), skull kid (Zelda), the knight (hollow knight), 2b (nier autonima)

(2 votes) bandana waddle dee, phoenix wright, sol badguy, sceptile/ grovyle, eggman, tails, zero, Noah

(1 vote) Raz, 47, Larharl, Hat kid, Freddy Fazbear, any team fortress 2, master chief, smeargle, mametchi, emolga, morrigan, kamek, big boss, solaire, any Danganronpa, mach rider, ahri (league of legends), waluigi, elma, Todd snap, a2, V1 , professor Layton, Medline, marina Liteyears, jibanyan, impa, Sub-Zero, Geno, battle toads, arle nadja, metal sonic

...If I may ask, what is this responding to?

 

[Speed Weed]

I forgot Sega was also in on the acquisition game:

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At least we have an excuse to talk Angry Birds in Smash...

If I spent all this time waiting for a new SEGA character in Smash and Arle, Kiryu, Akira, etc wind up having to make room for Angry Goddamn Birds, I would commit a war crime

 

[chocolatejr9]

If I spent all this time waiting for a new SEGA character in Smash and Arle, Kiryu, Akira, etc wind up having to make room for Angry Goddamn Birds, I would commit a war crime

I... had a feeling you wouldn't take it well...

 

[silenthunder]

...If I may ask, what is this responding to?

Most wanted newcomer for smash. Conducted on Google forms

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Most wanted newcomer for smash. Conducted on Google forms

They're asking who the character was.

 

[silenthunder]

They're asking who the character was.

The Nazis? Oskar Dirlewanger from the Dirlewanger birgade and Hitler. Is that why it's highlighted?

 

[Speed Weed]

I... had a feeling you wouldn't take it well...

For what it's worth I have a feeling that if this acquisition goes through, Rovio will be treated as kind of a separate thing still. Like, I can't quite imagine Angry Birds being embraced by them as part of the "SEGA family" as much as say, Atlus or all the western PC stuff that makes a gajillion monies, you know?

 

[chocolatejr9]

For what it's worth I have a feeling that if this acquisition goes through, Rovio will be treated as kind of a separate thing still. Like, I can't quite imagine Angry Birds being embraced by them as part of the "SEGA family" as much as say, Atlus or all the western PC stuff that makes a gajillion monies, you know?

Yeah, you're probably right. Though FWIW, Angry Birds Epic DID crossover with Sonic Dash, so feel free to make any appropriate jokes you can come up with.

 

[silenthunder]

They're asking who the character was.

They responded to a question. Who is your most wanted newcomer for smash bros. Does that clear things up?

 

[Perkilator]

Most wanted newcomer for smash. Conducted on Google forms

The Nazis? Oskar Dirlewanger from the Dirlewanger birgade and Hitler. Is that why it's highlighted?

Well, actually, I was asking why you specifically mentioned real-life Nazis in the first place when you could've at least said "real-life people".

 

[silenthunder]

Well, actually, I was asking why you specifically mentioned real-life Nazis in the first place when you could've at least said "real-life people".

All the real life people I got were nazis, but I get it if that's tmi

 

[Perkilator]

I just wanted to use this clip (and, really, any chance to change the subject regardless).

 

[silenthunder]

I just wanted to use this clip (and, really, any chance to change the subject regardless).

I'm not trying to talk about anything uncomfortable. I figured the poll would help with speculation

 

[Geno Boost]

Nice Persona 2 rep speculation we lack spear users

 

[Wonder Smash]

Mighty fight federation models. Cool.

I imagine that that's how their Smash models would look like too.

 

[DarthEnderX]

I know that. It’s just that I was hoping for a bigger answer than something like this.

Sorry. I'm not a Japanese lawyer...

I imagine that that's how their Smash models would look like too.

I don't get what's with the weird bags under their eyes. They're supposed to be highschoolers.

 

[fogbadge]

Nice Persona 2 rep speculation we lack spear users

what an odd way to spell bandana dee

 

[MrMcNuts]

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For me:

• Waluigi
• Bandana Waddle Dee
• Dr. Eggman
• Crash Bandicoot
• Estelle Bright

The dream team

 

[CapitaineCrash]

I was looking a bit more in the Sega Rovio acquisition and I wonder if they're doing that not only for Angry birds mobile games but also for Rovio animation. Having their own animation studio could be very huge for Sega, because maybe they could ask Rovio animation to make Sonic tv series or Sonic animated movie without having to deal with third parties.

 

[Wonder Smash]

I don't get what's with the weird bags under their eyes. They're supposed to be highschoolers.

Maybe it's from being in so many fights?

They probably won't have bags if they were in Smash Bros.

 

[Sucumbio]

I don't get what's with the weird bags under their eyes. They're supposed to be highschoolers.

Adderall is a *****.

 

[Laniv]

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For me:

• Waluigi
• Bandana Waddle Dee
• Dr. Eggman
• Crash Bandicoot
• Estelle Bright

Toad
Bandana Dee
Dixie Kong
Tom Nook
Klonoa

 

[fogbadge]

i wonder how many people are gonna start supporting tulin for smash after totk. there others will probably see an increase as well i imagine. do recall people saying they like sidon not sure about riju but she certainly is now. what do you guys think?