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Official Next Smash - Speculation & Discussion Thread

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Sega, however, seems really lacking in anything outside of Sonic and Bayonetta (and Persona by virtue of their Atlus acquisition), which is a shame considering they've got a lot of long-lived, recognizeable franchises (with Arle in particular being a pretty big request throughout the recent DLC cycle). To be fair, though, it often seems like Sega themselves often forget that a lot of these IPs even exist.
I've banged on about this before, but really I think what makes the current SEGA content in Smash somewhat unsatisfying to me is the relative lack of representation for, like, "core" SEGA. I don't want to discredit Bayo and Joker, but it just kinda feels like the SEGA content in Smash doesn't really give enough attention to the legacy SEGA themselves have left in gaming and mostly just shines the spotlight on stuff they Technically OwnTM. Bayo and Joker are fine inclusions in their own right, but I don't really look at them and go "damn son, now that's a proper representation of SEGA!" Our biggest piece of non-Sonic "core" SEGA content is the VF content, and I mean, I love that we have Akira as an assist, I'm glad VF gets to be represented in some form.....but it's just one series. And it's not even one with playable representation. There is a very distinct vibe to SEGA's "core" offerings, and I feel like that side of things kinda gets a raw deal in Smash, and it's a shame cause really, there's so much you could do there.

And that's also why I'm quite frankly not fond of the idea of having a second Sonic rep or an SMT rep as the immediate next SEGA character. I'd be happy if they included these things one day, but right now I'm not really down for double-dipping on Sonic or ATLUS already when the SEGA content in Smash is in the state that it's in. IMO, the next SEGA rep should be someone who, in some way, shape or form, just screams "SEGA". Someone who basically has "SEGA" written all over them. Someone who just perfectly encapsulates the legacy and vibe of, like, in-house SEGA. Cause I feel like that's what we're really lacking in at the moment.

Also sidenote, I don't really agree with the notion that SEGA pretend their old IP don't exist because not only are we getting a ****ton of revivals at the moment, but SEGA have always been, like, surprisingly good at celebrating their legacy in smaller forms. Like, even when they had a lot more dead IP in their hands than they do now, a lot of their older stuff has always kept getting the nod here and there, whether it be in merchandise, crossovers, cameos, music albums, etc. And I'm not talking "the western branches of SEGA capitalizing a lot on Mega Drive nostalgia" kinda stuff, but rather "hey let's add a music track from ****ing Spikeout to our compilation album in the year of our lord 2020" kinda stuff. I obviously understand that an outright new game will almost always be preferrable to small nods, but I still feel that it's pretty disingenuous to act like SEGA lock all their old IP in a vault never to be mentioned ever just cause not all of them are getting new games right now. If you pay attention to all the small things they do, you'll realize that "oh. even if this thing isn't getting a brand new game right now, they are, in fact, not ignoring it!"

Anyway stan Opa-Opa
 
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Suggesting that Nintendo, who have generally been hands off with Intelligent Systems when it comes to Fire Emblem, suddenly start dictating the direction of the series to appeal to angry internet Smash fans without regard for the series itself is both incredibly misguided and grossly late-stage capitalistic. Corporate monoliths mandating how their partners operate after having let them do what they wanted for so long is not okay.

And also, unlike something like Mario, Fire Emblem games actually have, you know, stories and continuity. Forcing sequels just so whiny Smash fans don't get upset, despite these characters and stories almost always having closure, is incredibly dumb. And the best part? The worlds that weren't fully explored and still have ample room to grow? Those aren't the ones already in Smash. Those are the ones like the world of Magvel from The Sacred Stones, which only had one game to explore its world.

What Nintendo should do, if anything, is make the older games more available for the public to buy instead of forcing them to emulate. The Tellius duology in particular, due to the relative complexity with emulating it compared to the rest of the series and the exorbitantly high secondary aftermarket price. But this also isn't a problem exclusive to Fire Emblem and I wouldn't put it past Nintendo to put it behind some, like, $200 NSO update because they're a bunch of tone deaf dinosaurs, who march to the beat of their own drum with zero awareness of the fact that their drum is actually a saxophone.

And Marth's games have already been remade. I'm an Archanea super fan, but there's no real need to yet. If anything, fans are instead clamoring for remakes of, you know, the other games that haven't been remade yet and that haven't left Japan. Genealogy of the Holy War in particular. And the ones that aren't are instead hoping for an entirely new game, with a brand new cast of characters and a new world with new stories to explore. And frankly, I think it's wiser that the direction of the Fire Emblem franchise pays more attention to the wants of the Fire Emblem fanbase, and not the Smash fanbase.
I and others allowed to not appreciate the representation of a series you overestimate the appeal of and the backlash against Fire Emblem is completely valid because it's not that important of a series. It's only represented like it is because of favoritism. They don't even have a dedicated axe or spear user in the game yet. It's absolutely ridiculous. Or how about a bow using protagonist? I would LOOOOOOVE a dedicated bow user in Smash. Anyways Smash fans are entitled to being "whiny" (I don't see how you're being any less whiny) about the game they actually play not catering to them. You using the word "entitled" like it's even a bad thing in regards to how the people actually playing the game are expressing themselves is annoying to me personally. I'm on this site to talk about Smash not FIre Emblem.

Literally it's so bad that the "anime sword user" meme is largely Fire Emblem's fault. A classic battle archetype is now hated because a large segment of its representation is from a series most people don't play. We can't even get freaking Sephiroth into this game without people bringing it up. That sucks. I was actually very likely going to get Three Houses (to try out the series for the first time) until Nintendo shoe-horned Byleth in at the end. There was no way I was going to reward them for that. I'm only speaking for myself but I think this status quo is doing a massive disservice to the series you're clearly passionate about. Something should change. Will it? Probably not. At least we can hope for that dedicated bow/axe/spear users I guess.

I don't care what direction Fire Emblem takes because my only stake in the series is in regards to its Smash representation. I just as much wouldn't care if Intelligent Systems did everything to appease the Smash community. Any of these supposedly completed stories could have more story added to them. It's not that big of a deal. I feel the same about Xenoblade though I think there's actually a decent chance the next one will be a continuation of Xenoblade 2 unlike Fire Emblem. Min Min is actually very likely going to use her promotional spot to its fullest advantage while FE and probably Xenoblade fans feel entitled to trash theirs every iteration of the series for a shiny new spot.

I'm really tired of these communities' interactions with the Smash community like how dare we have opinions on how these series are affecting the game we're actually playing. It's really freaking annoying and I'm pretty sure I'm specifically the nebulous "Smash fans" you're referring to.
 
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I think smash has a lack of ice fighters.
I am not talking about something like Hero or Sora who just has just one ice attack that shows randomly.
Which ice fighters would you like to have in smash?
Well there aren't very many contendors. Most protagonists use fire or lighting as their main element of choice and ice out of any appears the least frequently. The only popular character I think of is Sub-Zero and even he isn't Mr. Boxart like his rival Scorpion.
 

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I think smash has a lack of ice fighters.
I am not talking about something like Hero or Sora who just has just one ice attack that shows randomly.
Which ice fighters would you like to have in smash?
Noelle from Deltarune. For her final smash, you force her to use a spell she doesn't know.
 
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I think smash has a lack of ice fighters.
I am not talking about something like Hero or Sora who just has just one ice attack that shows randomly.
Which ice fighters would you like to have in smash?
I'll take Olaf if that's what it takes to get an Advance Wars rep lol.

Otherwise, idk, Suicune?
 

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The 4 ice fighters with big potential I see are Suicune, Sub-Zero, Gill (street fighters) and Jack Frost I feel the concept of Ice fighters should be explored more
 
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The 4 ice fighters with big potential I see are Suicune, Sub-Zero, Gill (street fighters) and Jack Frost I feel the concept of Ice fighters should be explored more
I think my biggest fear irt Ice as a concept is the inherent idea of a lack of control due to what Ice implies.


Things like slows, slips and stuns are really unfun to deal with in a fighting game, and an ice-themed fighter would have to be extremely balanced around these concepts carefully.
 

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I think smash has a lack of ice fighters.
I am not talking about something like Hero or Sora who just has just one ice attack that shows randomly.
Which ice fighters would you like to have in smash?
Bad Mr. Frosty, Sub-Zero(I want Scorpion more, mind you), Glacius(again, I want Fulgore more).

...Okay, there's a lot of Ice Pokemon.
 
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I'm not going to address this absolute wall of text because it's far too much for me to address, but I will say that if your "comedy" involves making fun of people and making petty jabs, then you need to get a better sense of humor.

It's harder to convey tone over text, so unless you explicitly say you're joking there's no way to tell if you're jesting or just being mean. Also, people generally don't like to be insulted, even if it's a joke. Saying "it's just a joke!" doesn't absolve the fact that you just insulted them to their face.

Hell, reading this over you actually insulted me by saying I didn't put in enough effort when rebutting your points. Like come on dude, this isn't comedy.
Comedy is ALL about making fun of people and situations...like, have you ever seen any good classic stand up? Everyone I've ever known says I have a great sense of humor and I constantly make people laugh with puns and quick retorts. Also, I come from a line where we tease people we engage with regularly, and I've never had issues with that until the last two years in which it really seems like people can't laugh at themselves anymore. Regardless, I think this is more about how I poked fun at something truthful and you didn't like it, so rather than accept that you multiple instances of me saying other 3rd parties were likely both in the Newcomer Thread and a big post in RTC not long before it closed and say 'Dang, that's on me man' you placed the blame on me so you don't have to deal with that fact.

I'm not going to /s or /j every time I type something. That's ridiculous. If you don't get it, then I can explain it, despite that often ruining jokes.

You can make a joke while telling someone the truth of the situation, but I don't exactly remember making any jokes in that follow up, just being frank about how you didn't even bother to remember anything about my post history in the slightest and then threw out an incorrect assumption about my stances. You made your statement, I addressed only a single part of it, and you come at me with a label and assuming I addressed all of it. That is flat out YOUR mistake. You not only jumped the gun and made an assumption, but you did so despite being in the same thread as me at the same time to have seen that I clearly thought Master Chief was CP11 and that my big three for who would be last were Chief, Crash and Phoenix Wright. Why would I suddenly think none of them have a chance in a brand new game? I wouldn't, that's ridiculous.

Is it really an insult to tell you that you didn't really put in effort to know my stance when it would have been incredibly easy just by sitting there for a few more minutes and pondering 'Hmm, has this guy that posts in the same threads I have recently posted anything that contradicts what I'm about to say about him?' Or is it just stating fact, which is made even clearer on how you don't even want to bother with this discussion or general speculation and by your own statements that you don't want to read my long posts? To me, it's just stating what you have shown as a clear character trait and that you clearly responded in a reactionary manner in a conversation. Seems simple enough, but maybe it's more difficult to see what seems obvious in The Shadow World.

Haha, get it? Because that is your set location and the notion of a Shadow World or Shadow Realm is that it would likely be much darker than ours?
Never met this staff member before and aren't big on the staff here, but they just suggested a Killer Instinct character for Smash, so I think I may be warming up to them a little bit.

Though, given this staff's history, maybe I should chill out before they give me the cold shoulder and my next post gets me put on ice.

Man, this was less funny with all the typographical emphasis clearly giving away the joke parts, but hopefully this makes it acceptable by the Humor Approval Committee's standard.

...Not that it was particularly hilarious in the first place.
 
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Finished up my moveset for Takamaru!

Concept: Takamaru's design centers around the idea of him using his far reaching and oppressive projectiles to pepper the opponent with damage, until he can then rush in and deliver a decisive blow with his katana to finish them off. He can keep the opponent guessing by changing the patterns of his projectiles, leaving them overwhelmed. He's fairly light, however, and can't take as many strong close range attacks, so strong Rushdown characters will punish him hard if they can wade through his wall of projectiles.

Jab: A very quick slash attack from Takamaru's katana. Visually, it's identical to his close range Assist Trophy attack. A move with very little start and end lag, it can combo into itself up to three times before the opponent is too far away to hit.

Dash Attack: Takamaru performs a slide kick while dashing. A slight water effect is also used, referencing Takamaru's ability to walk on water.

Forward Tilt: Takamaru quickly swipes his blade forward. Tapping forward tilt again will cause him to make a quick follow-up attack consisting of a quick swipe from the other direction.

Up Tilt: Takamaru draws his blade and makes a quick arc above his head.

Down Tilt: When crouched, Takamaru's blade is sheathed. For this attack, he quickly throws a small ember of a fire ball in front of him on the ground, acting similarly to Steve's Flint and Steel. This move can then lead into other attacks while the foe is in hit stun.

Forward Smash: Takamaru raises his katana above his head before bringing it down in a strong slash downward.

Up Smash: Takamaru spins a windmill sword above his head, its blades causing high damage and sending the foe skyward.

Down Smash: While Takamaru is crouched, his blade is sheathed. For this attack, he quickly draws his blade and slashes at the opponent's legs in an iaijutsu maneuver. This move is one of Takamaru's best kill moves, having high power and very low start up, but at the expense of fairly lengthy endlag by comparison, as Takamaru must sheathe his sword afterward.

Neutral Aerial: Takamaru summons a circle of fire balls around him, which quickly circle him before disappearing. These fire balls damage foes if they get in the way.

Forward Aerial: Takamaru performs a series of three strikes in the air, with the final being an overhead strike. Takamaru's fall is slowed during this move to allow for combo-ability.

Back Aerial: Takamaru swings around and delivers a powerful horizontal slash. This is a very powerful single-strike attack and a reliable kill move for Takamaru.

Up Aerial: A move that looks and acts very similarly to Cloud's up aerial. Takamaru lifts his katana aloft, blade side up, to strike the foe from above.

Down Aerial: Takamaru unsheathes his sword and quickly makes an arc beneath him. This move can act as a meteor smash.

Pummel: Takamaru grabs his opponent with one hand and knees for damage. During the grab and pummel, Takamaru's katana is sheathed.

Forward Throw: Takamaru tosses the foe in front of him before lunging forward with three iaijutsu slashes.

Back Throw: Takamaru tosses the foe behind him before, with eyes shut and without moving backwards, draws his blade and swings it behind him, launching the foe.

Up Throw: Takamaru tosses the foe up before crouching. He then disappears, reappears in the air, and rapidly slashes the foe upward.

Down Throw: Takamaru tosses the foe into the ground and disappears. He reappears above and descends on the foe with a strong slash of his blade.

Neutral Special: Shuriken Toss - This very quick projectile goes about the length of a mid-charge Water Shuriken from Greninja, but is significantly faster to compensate for somewhat lower power. Takamaru tosses a single shuriken in a straight line unless under the effects of a Shogi Piece.

Side Special: Windmill Sword Technique or Fire Ball Technique - This move changes depending on whether the special button is tapped or held. If the button is tapped, Takamaru uses the Windmill Sword Technique, launching a single windmill sword forward. This projectile travels further than the Shuriken Toss, but it is significantly weaker. However, it also carries the foe for the remainder of its range after they're hit. If the button is held, Takamaru uses the Fire Ball Technique. Takamaru shoots out a single large fire ball. The range is quite poor for a projectile, only traveling the length of about a Battlefield platform, but its power is much higher than Takamaru's other projectiles to compensate.

Up Special: Invisibility Scroll - Takamaru takes out an Invisibility Scroll and disappears in a puff of smoke. He then reappears in the chosen direction with a strong slash of his katana. This move is effectively a mixture of Sheik's Deku Nut and Greninja's Shadow Sneak.

Down Special: Shogi Shift - Pressing this button will allow Takamaru to shift between four modes, which affect his neutral and side specials.

-Takamaru starts out in the No Shogi phase, where he does not have a Shogi piece. In this mode, the neutral and side specials behave as described in their sections. Takamaru will also return to this mode if he stays in one of the other three modes for too long, and if so, the other mode goes through a recharge period before it can be used again, similar to Shulk's Monado Arts.

-Of the three other modes, the first is the Rook. The Rook koma appears above Takamaru briefly, and in this mode, Takamaru's projectiles will instead fly out in the four cardinal directions.

-The second of the three is the Bishop. The Bishop koma appears briefly above Takamaru, and his projectiles will now fly out in a fan pattern of three in front of him. Each is weaker than normal, but retains the strength if all three manage to hit close up, but also comes with the benefit of a larger general range due to the fan pattern.

-The third and final of these modes is the King, in which the King koma appears above Takamaru briefly. Instead of changing the attack's direction and pattern, the King koma instead shoots out not one, but three of the same projectile, multiplying the power of the move by three. To compensate for its power, however, the recharge period for this mode is longer than it is for the Rook or Bishop.

Final Smash: Inazuma Lightning - A tanooki appears next to Takamaru and cheers as Takamaru lifts his hand skyward. The sky then darkens as massive lightning strikes rapidly strike the stage, causing massive damage to any opponent that gets hit. If a foe who has over 100% damage is struck, they are instantly KO'd. After ten rapid lightning strikes, the storm clears and the Final Smash finishes.

Up Taunt: A tanooki appears and falls into Takamaru's arms, who looks at it in surprise, before it disappears again.

Side Taunt: Takamaru draws his blade outward as a shing sound effect is heard.

Down Taunt: Takamaru turns away from the camera and sheathes his sword.
 

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Bad Mr. Frosty, Sub-Zero(I want Scorpion more, mind you), Glacius(again, I want Fulgore more).
Ah, man. Imagine the crazy reality we'd be living in if Clayfighter, of all IPs, got a Smash Fighter. Especially before Earthworm Jim, perhaps the most recognizeable Interplay franchise there is (and even he's not an especially high contender among Smash speculation, even compared to other western-based properties). Though I did once bring up my old main, Dr. Peelgood, as a roster addition in some sort of half-joking, "anything goes" GameFAQS thread, if I recall correctly.

But speaking of ice-based characters from lesser-known, long-dead fighting games, I guess Blizzard from Primal Rage warrants a mention. Wasn't my favorite character (total Vertigo main, here), but he was nevertheless treated as the mascot.
 
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Ah, man. Imagine the crazy reality we'd be living in if Clayfighter, of all IPs, got a Smash Fighter. Especially before Earthworm Jim, perhaps the most recognizeable Interplay franchise there is (and even he's not an especially high contender among Smash speculation, even compared to other western-based properties). Though I did once bring up my old main, Dr. Peelgood, as a roster addition in some sort of half-joking, "anything goes" GameFAQS thread, if I recall correctly.

But speaking of ice-based characters from lesser-known, long-dead fighting games, I guess Blizzard from Primal Rage warrants a mention. Wasn't my favorite character (total Vertigo main, here), but he was nevertheless treated as the mascot.
NOW PEOPLE ARE MENTIONING PRIMAL RAGE?!

AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH~!

WHERE HAVE YOU FOLKS BEEN MY ENTIRE LIFE! OLDER FIGHTING GAMES LET'S GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO~!
 

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btw, I think that lf we ever we get a mortal kombat rep, we will get both scorpion and sub-zero. I don’t think they will not resist to do the ryu and ken vs scorpion and sub-zero.

Plus, im sure they will be based on the original games where their models are very similar. (Of course their specials would be different).
 

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btw, I think that lf we ever we get a mortal kombat rep, we will get both scorpion and sub-zero. I don’t think they will not resist to do the ryu and ken vs scorpion and sub-zero.

Plus, im sure they will be based on the original games where their models are very similar. (Of course their specials would be different).
Yeah, I feel the same way. I personally prefer Sub-Zero to Scorpion and this would probably be his best chance to make it in. I’d love them to use their Ultimate MK3 designs as defaults and their move sets could largely be based on the older games.
 

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Comedy is ALL about making fun of people and situations...like, have you ever seen any good classic stand up? Everyone I've ever known says I have a great sense of humor and I constantly make people laugh with puns and quick retorts. Also, I come from a line where we tease people we engage with regularly, and I've never had issues with that until the last two years in which it really seems like people can't laugh at themselves anymore. Regardless, I think this is more about how I poked fun at something truthful and you didn't like it, so rather than accept that you multiple instances of me saying other 3rd parties were likely both in the Newcomer Thread and a big post in RTC not long before it closed and say 'Dang, that's on me man' you placed the blame on me so you don't have to deal with that fact.

I'm not going to /s or /j every time I type something. That's ridiculous. If you don't get it, then I can explain it, despite that often ruining jokes.

You can make a joke while telling someone the truth of the situation, but I don't exactly remember making any jokes in that follow up, just being frank about how you didn't even bother to remember anything about my post history in the slightest and then threw out an incorrect assumption about my stances. You made your statement, I addressed only a single part of it, and you come at me with a label and assuming I addressed all of it. That is flat out YOUR mistake. You not only jumped the gun and made an assumption, but you did so despite being in the same thread as me at the same time to have seen that I clearly thought Master Chief was CP11 and that my big three for who would be last were Chief, Crash and Phoenix Wright. Why would I suddenly think none of them have a chance in a brand new game? I wouldn't, that's ridiculous.

Is it really an insult to tell you that you didn't really put in effort to know my stance when it would have been incredibly easy just by sitting there for a few more minutes and pondering 'Hmm, has this guy that posts in the same threads I have recently posted anything that contradicts what I'm about to say about him?' Or is it just stating fact, which is made even clearer on how you don't even want to bother with this discussion or general speculation and by your own statements that you don't want to read my long posts? To me, it's just stating what you have shown as a clear character trait and that you clearly responded in a reactionary manner in a conversation. Seems simple enough, but maybe it's more difficult to see what seems obvious in The Shadow World.

Haha, get it? Because that is your set location and the notion of a Shadow World or Shadow Realm is that it would likely be much darker than ours?
This is the last I'll speak on this since I don't want to derail the thread any further, but coming from a place where you tease people doesn't make it okay do so in any environment. Furthermore, if you have to blame other people for not understanding your humor then maybe your humor is just bad or doesn't match the audience you're with. A large part of humor is knowing your audience, and if your style of humor doesn't fit your audience then maybe change things up instead of doubling down with petty jabs and passive aggressive remarks.

I don't care about the truth of your "jokes" so much as I care about them being bold-faced insults. Was I perhaps a bit aggressive in my initial rebuttal? Sure, and that's on me. But you're the one who resorted to character attacks first when you got defensive over your own argument that I raised an objection to.

Also, you say that I shouldn't obsess over your post history, but at the same time you expect me to know, based on our limited interactions in the former Newcomer Thread, your exact stances on specific characters down to specific posts, some of which were in threads I never even looked at? And on a site that I spend maybe an hour throughout the day? For me to do that would be, in my book, obsession. I'm not going to do that.

I've been in enough petty internet arguments to know when to stop shouting at a brick wall, so if you want to think you're right and that you've won and that I'm some villainous internet ne'er do well twirling a handlebar mustache as I think of ways to specifically inconvenience you then go ahead. It's my bad for having a different opinion than you and disagreeing with you.

To get the thread back on track:

Everyone go like Opossum's Takamaru moveset because he put a lot of work into it and Takamaru got ROBBED in Smash 4. Here's hoping he gets his chance this time because we STILL don't have a Samurai moveset and Takamaru is prominent enough to get in as an obscure character (retro rep anyone?)

Imagine how awesome it'd be if in the next game we got a dual Takamaru and Ryu Hayabusa trailer. Straight baller.
 
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This is the last I'll speak on this since I don't want to derail the thread any further, but coming from a place where you tease people doesn't make it okay do so in any environment. Furthermore, if you have to blame other people for not understanding your humor then maybe your humor is just bad or doesn't match the audience you're with. A large part of humor is knowing your audience, and if your style of humor doesn't fit your audience then maybe change things up instead of doubling down with petty jabs and passive aggressive remarks.

I don't care about the truth of your "jokes" so much as I care about them being bold-faced insults. Was I perhaps a bit aggressive in my initial rebuttal? Sure, and that's on me. But you're the one who resorted to character attacks first when you got defensive over your own argument that I raised an objection to.

Also, you say that I shouldn't obsess over your post history, but at the same time you expect me to know, based on our limited interactions in the former Newcomer Thread, your exact stances on specific characters down to specific posts, some of which were in threads I never even looked at? And on a site that I spend maybe an hour throughout the day? For me to do that would be, in my book, obsession. I'm not going to do that.

There's no point shouting at a brick wall anymore than I have, so if you want to think you're right and that you've won and that I'm some villainous internet ne'er do well twirling a handlebar mustache as I think of ways to specifically inconvenience you then go ahead. It's my bad for having a different opinion than you and disagreeing with you.

Here, I'll get the thread back on track:

Everyone go like Opossum's Takamaru moveset because he put a lot of work into it and Takamaru got ROBBED in Smash 4. Here's hoping he gets his chance this time because we STILL don't have a Samurai moveset and Takamaru is prominent enough to get in as an obscure character (retro rep anyone?)

Imagine how awesome it'd be if in the next game we got a dual Takamaru and Ryu Hayabusa trailer. Straight baller.
So first off, do check out Opossum Opossum and his Takamaru moveset. I glanced at it and it was pretty well done. I STILL think it should have been posted in the thread that is about moveset ideas so that it could get more proper attention, but by all means look at it here. I'm actually hoping Takamaru does get in, and I think his chances go up a bit every Smash game. I'd link the post but I've forgotten how to do that.

If you can't handle being teased on occasion, not constantly, but on occasion as just some playful banter...you need to evaluate yourself. In all my family and friend groups, we make fun of each other all the time. This stems across multiple groups of friends I have that don't overlap at all, with people from all walks of life, and we all have an amazing time with no issues. I have a friend that makes consistent jokes about me being a fat, uneducated American...and they are consistently pretty funny, even if only two parts of that are accurate...I'll let you figure out which. (Hint, that's another joke.) It's gotten to the point where I make jokes about it faster and better than him on average. The power to laugh at one's self is massive, and it's a lost art: everyone takes themselves and what they think and believe so seriously nowadays that you can't make a joke or sit down and have serious talks about things without people getting really upset.

As far as knowing my audience, I'm not performing for anyone here. The humor is mostly for me, but if anyone here appreciates it, that's fine too. When I make a post here, it's mainly just getting my thoughts across and engaging with the thoughts of others, but since the thoughts of others are often very similar it gets old after a time...so I self-entertain with writing things in a way I think is funny. Sometimes, other people find it funny too, and that's just some weird kind of bonus points that I'm not looking for but it's kinda cool to get I guess. There is also a difference between insulting someone and a playful jab while remaining critical: Insulting means I was TRYING to offend you, whereas a playful jab while being critical is simply poking fun at what you did while also pointing out the mistake. I never called you a dumbass or anything like that, I simply implied you didn't try hard enough. I know things are wack in the world right now, but context still matters and offense is still taken and not given, even when someone WANTS to upset you.

If you can't play ball with that, that's fine. If anything, I would have expected some jabs back, though I'll admit any jabs I would expect to come at me are usually about being wrong but still being confident or who I talked to in the past, which are pretty weak and done way too much. I will say that I didn't post in a way that made jabs at people very much UNTIL I became more active on SmashBoards where this kind of behavior was tossed my way while I was still rather polite, so I adopted it. I even tried being more polite with less jabs for a time, but the jabs kept coming back at me regardless, so I decided to stick with tossing jabs back when I felt like it. But I have always had a sassy commentary side, so I won't act like SmashBoards is 100% to blame for that, but it is most definitely responsible for bringing it back to the forefront when I'm around here.

I'm not sure what this 'being defensive' thing is, because I haven't felt a need to be defensive this entire time, unless you are talking about me clarifying how you labeled me as something that isn't true and I decided to clear the air. I didn't feel attacked or anything of the sort, I just noticed you were wrong and misleading so I corrected it. I don't think anyone here has ever personally offended me, even those who straight up think I'm crazy and have said that more or less. My rebuttals here I don't believe have ever been fueled with having taken offense as much as they are about thinking people are wrong and addressing it. I think the last time I had actual emotion tied to this site was with the old Geno Thread who couldn't accept the fact that I was excited for an ARMS character but also thought it was a horrible pick for a number of reasons and the couldn't understand being critical of something but also being happy for new content and excited for what the character might be like. I remember explaining this multiple times and they still labeled me as something I wasn't, and it actually frustrated me that people I got along with were so incredibly dense and willing to target a fellow Geno fan over something like that, so I took my leave for a while since the conversation just wouldn't go past that. Even then, I don't recall being offended, just surprised at how easily people turn on their allies over dumb stuff and how incredibly stupid people can be at basic concepts like being critical but excited at the same time.

I also don't recall attacking your character as much as making light of you not remembering even a single post I made throughout CP10-CP11 talk times where I constantly brought up Chief and Crash. I get that I have like a tenth of the posts you have, but I was fairly active for a period there and was clearly talking about the validity of Chief being leaked. Then when people were locking in CP11 calls the night before, I locked in Chief. I also commented the day off talking about how I was never so happy to be wrong because Sora is just that big a deal. I have constantly stated how I'm overall happy with every single inclusion and that I think they all are fun to play and that even if Geno didn't get in, I'm still happy that the game is getting more content.

What sense would it make for someone like that to suddenly think not 3rd Party but Capcom and Square can get in, or that only DMC and Ace Attorney have chances as third party franchises? It doesn't. What the real issue here is that you had the opportunity to know this, but what is more likely is that you have a certain way you envision me to be, which is likely the typical 'crazy theory Geno fan' that most people here have and thus it seems to me that you let that take over the actual evidence you had not even a month ago, less even. I don't care what you think of me, but if you are going to debate or have a conversation, you can't just waltz into discussions like that with an assumption of the other person or their stance. Your post would have done much better if you lead with 'Are you implying that only Capcom and Square have chances for a future Smash game and no other 3rd party studios?' framing it as if you are asking if that is my position instead of ASSUMING it was my position.

Besides, I already gave you the benefit of admitting that remembering what people say on forums can be more difficult for people since things go by so fast and it's not like you care about whatever everyone says. My brain works differently and I find this easier to do. I still personally believe you could have done a better job at remembering my stance if you took more time, but that's what I believe, and I already gave you that argument by stating the above: AKA, we agree to disagree, but I understand where you are coming from.

We also have different definitions of obsession. I can see why you would think that might be borderline obsessive at face value, but for me I would find you obsessive if you could recall everything I've ever said here and list the dates and times I said them off the cuff while constantly replying to everything I said and perhaps having a poster of my profile pic on your wall. Bonus creep factor if you have all my Geno Thread memes in your room as well. I don't find asking you to remember someone's stance when they were active in the thread at the same time as you on the same level, but I digress.

I don't appreciate being called a brick wall...mainly because I'm fat and nothing is hard about me. (This is a joke that ties back to that joke in the early paragraph. Also, yes, explaining the jokes in parentheses is another joke. Big hahas, I know.) Self-deprecating humor aside, I've been informed by people I talk to regularly that I'm actually rather flexible and able to see the side of other people. This is why I admit my personal standard may not be fair to apply to you and can agree that following up on random posters you have no investment in is hard, even if it's not hard for me. However, being on the spectrum, it's something I've had to work at and sometimes I fallback into being incredibly stubborn and stuck in my own stances. I don't think this is one of the cases, but just incase anyone thought I believed myself to be flawless, it's not the case.

I don't have this impression of you being The Wah or **** Dastardly (is there a difference?), and the fact that you think I do is strange. My impression of you is nothing short of what I have seen here: A Sora/KH fan who doesn't like to speculate very much and occasionally responds to people in a reactionary manner, although some of your earlier post history might suggest you yourself also used to like making jabs at people and then some, but I don't find that to reflect who I'm talking to right now. And to clarify, no, I didn't go stalk your post history: someone made a reference to a specific post in the past, and when I went back and read it, some things you said were referenced around that time. I don't think you are quite the same person, but I really don't know you so that doesn't matter. I think Smash speculation this cycle has changed a lot of people, and I'd argue not all for the better.

I don't care if you have a different opinion on most things. I get along with people who think fundamentally different things so long as I find them to be decent people and fun to be around, and honestly I tend to get along with most people generally. The difference is that your opinion was about me and what I think, and you were wrong. It's not like I hate you or something, it's not that big a deal. Considering you admit you jumped the gun and I admit (and already have admitted) that it's unfair to expect you to remember my stance, I see no further issues here.

Also, you never answered me on how you feel about Sora. If you posted your opinion somewhere else, feel free to link me to it in a DM or something. I seriously meant what I said about hoping you enjoy him and I genuinely wanted to know your opinion on the character.

EDIT: THEY DARE TO CENSOR THE GREAT **** DASTARDLY?! HOW ABSURD!



EDIT2: THE GIF GOT CENSORED! HOW DARE THEY DO THIS TO MY MAN!



EDIT3: I found away around it, which is to use TinyUrl so that the censored word isn't in the link. I managed this because I'm crafty! Pretty sure I didn't do anything wrong either, as the censored word isn't even part of the link anymore...unless posting this Wacky Racing lad is against ToS.

 
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I think smash has a lack of ice fighters.
I am not talking about something like Hero or Sora who just has just one ice attack that shows randomly.
Which ice fighters would you like to have in smash?
I think we could give kirby his ice breath attack as a optional move again together with Fire breath aswell!
 

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I think smash has a lack of ice fighters.
I am not talking about something like Hero or Sora who just has just one ice attack that shows randomly.
Which ice fighters would you like to have in smash?
Might sound farfetched, but the Ice Climbers from that old Ice Climber game might work

I think Fjorm could be a cool ice user, combined with her lance and her defensive specialties.
 

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Here's something to chew on for a bit:
Obviously, Smashboards isn't completely representative of the general population, but I thought this was something interesting to share regardless.
 

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Here's something to chew on for a bit:
There was a problem fetching the tweet
Obviously, Smashboards isn't completely representative of the general population, but I thought this was something interesting to share regardless.
I’m pretty sure Daisy was in the top 5 pre-Ultimate so I doubt this is a valid method but hey more trivia is always fun
 

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Yeah considering that geno and shantae are third party, isaac is obscure, dk already got a rep and all these chars have costumes or hats its really stupid that bandana dee has neither a spirit battle nor a hat!
(i dont really count elma after all we got 2 other xenoblade reps! and i think her and ashley got costumes!)
 

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Here's something to chew on for a bit:
There was a problem fetching the tweet
Obviously, Smashboards isn't completely representative of the general population, but I thought this was something interesting to share regardless.
Ninten in number 17?! That’s higher than what I expected it’s good to know that
Also too bad Bomberman got deconfirmed too early his thread didn’t have much chance to grow
 

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I’m pretty sure Daisy was in the top 5 pre-Ultimate so I doubt this is a valid method but hey more trivia is always fun
Yeah, to use the Daisy thread specifically, a lot of it was also like, the same few people making a ton of posts and using it like a social thread (with two of the most prolific posters even ending up being the same person). The social thread aspect also impacted threads like the Geno thread, which at times seemed more like a general leaks thread.

Another thing to keep in mind is that using this as a show of support levels negatively and disproportionately impacts Waluigi, whose thread was closed by the owner of the thread after the Assist confirmation, only to be reopened for DLC, and then closed again after they deleted their account, so the thread got straight up rebooted.
 

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DOOM has both the iconic status and legacy, so that's not a real problem for it. Also, as of right now, neither Master Chief or a Halo game has ever been on Nintendo consoles and if this doesn't change, then Doom Slayer will indeed make it in over him. Being a Mii costume could very well lead to that too.
I don't doubt that doom is an iconic game by itself; however no one can deny that there are bigger FPS series that are much more recognizable to the general gaming audience. Those factors have always trumped legacy as a factor when it comes to whoever gets in first for their respective genres - just look at how they chose
1. FF7 over FF1-6 and DQ, despite the former being the first RPG. And even if you look at it down the road, the DQ3 hero was prioritized over 1-2 because that entry is the most recognizable/commercially successful.
2. Street fighter over any other fighting game (and how the bulk of content came from 2, not the first SF despite "legacy")
3. Persona over SMT even through the latter is much more closely associated with nintendo
There's many more examples, and we did get multiple reps from different genres in the end so it doesn't really matter. But it's pretty clear they would go for bigger fish first than doom.

Also i thought we were done with the need for the nintendo connection? Especially given how they chose Snake/Cloud/Joker? You're probably going to point out that they had games on a nintendo console, but i can guarantee you Nintendo didn't choose joker on the basis of PQ2. Characters have been chosen despite only having cameos so i don't see what's different here.

And mii costumes doesn't mean anything for playability status either cough geno/lloyd It could equally mean that Nintendo sees it as sufficient and doesn't want to pursue any more content!
 

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I don't doubt that doom is an iconic game by itself; however no one can deny that there are bigger FPS series that are much more recognizable to the general gaming audience. Those factors have always trumped legacy as a factor when it comes to whoever gets in first for their respective genres - just look at how they chose
1. FF7 over FF1-6 and DQ, despite the former being the first RPG. And even if you look at it down the road, the DQ3 hero was prioritized over 1-2 because that entry is the most recognizable/commercially successful.
2. Street fighter over any other fighting game (and how the bulk of content came from 2, not the first SF despite "legacy")
3. Persona over SMT even through the latter is much more closely associated with nintendo
There's many more examples, and we did get multiple reps from different genres in the end so it doesn't really matter. But it's pretty clear they would go for bigger fish first than doom.

Also i thought we were done with the need for the nintendo connection? Especially given how they chose Snake/Cloud/Joker? You're probably going to point out that they had games on a nintendo console, but i can guarantee you Nintendo didn't choose joker on the basis of PQ2. Characters have been chosen despite only having cameos so i don't see what's different here.

And mii costumes doesn't mean anything for playability status either cough geno/lloyd It could equally mean that Nintendo sees it as sufficient and doesn't want to pursue any more content!
I mean recognizability to the general audience is something Doomguy does have. He's far from a niche character. Even leaving aside the older games, and especially the first and most well known one, the two reboot games sold incredibly well and are very well regarded. These comparisons and the general narrative of your post make Doom out to be a small, niche franchise when it's anything but.
 

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Here's something to chew on for a bit:
There was a problem fetching the tweet
Obviously, Smashboards isn't completely representative of the general population, but I thought this was something interesting to share regardless.
Kasumi/Violet is largely due to the Jane thing in the datamine

BUT ELMA TOP 10 BABY

also it’s not Tails the Fox, it’s Miles “Tails” Prower
 
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Yeah, to use the Daisy thread specifically, a lot of it was also like, the same few people making a ton of posts and using it like a social thread (with two of the most prolific posters even ending up being the same person). The social thread aspect also impacted threads like the Geno thread, which at times seemed more like a general leaks thread.

Another thing to keep in mind is that using this as a show of support levels negatively and disproportionately impacts Waluigi, whose thread was closed by the owner of the thread after the Assist confirmation, only to be reopened for DLC, and then closed again after they deleted their account, so the thread got straight up rebooted.
The bandana dee thread was used as the Kirby general! so no matter what a kirby char should be high on nintendos prioty list!
Also cool how there are barely any Third party wishes left so we might finnaly get a new kirby/ Zelda rep in the next game!
 
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