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Official Next Smash - Speculation & Discussion Thread

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Yeah it's really weird. Apparently, if you know name on the title, you are side for some reason. That's like thinking characters like Shadow is a side character because his debut game was Sonic Adventure 2 despite him, his backstory, motivations and lore and backbone for not just SA2 but for all other game s afterwards or even Link from the Zelda series, Barrett from FF7 or even funnily enough R.O.B from Subspace Emissary.

Really weird but when it comes to media: Video Games, Shows or otherwise. The main protagonists are never usually my favorite. It's the other mains or even the villains as well.

Honestly i would say the main characters for SMRPG Mario, Geno and Mallow. Bowser and Peach are clearly most for the ride with latter more than the former
 
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Nabbitfan730 said:
Yeah it's really weird. Apparently, if you know name on the title, you are side for some reason. That's like thinking characters like Shadow is a side character because his debut game was Sonic Adventure 2 despite him, his backstory, motivations and lore and backbone for not just SA2 but for all other game s afterwards or even Link from the Zelda series, Barrett from FF7 or even funnily enough R.O.B from Subspace Emissary.

Really weird but when it comes to media: Video Games, Shows or otherwise. The main protagonists are never usually my favorite. It's the other mains or even the villains as well.

Honestly i would say the main characters for SMRPG Mario, Geno and Mallow. Bowser and Peach are clearly most for the ride with latter more than the former
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I do agree with that. Mallow is odd in that he appears purely along for the ride until the near end reveals that particular ride leads to a key plot item. Though that said, Geno basically is the closest to a secondary protagonist you can get, since Smithy is his enemy specifically and there's actually two worlds to save, with Mario saving the normal world, and Geno saving the Dream World, more or less. Might be oddly explained, but it's why they take the most important part of the plot.

Though I get why entirely people see Geno as not very important too. While he explains the real reason Smithy is doing this, he arrives really late into the story itself, with nearly every character already part of your team, and is more popular nowadays for being "cool" and having some powerful moves. He's a character I like, but I do get why some just kind of ignore his importance. It was poorly thought out of when to introduce him. It doesn't help that the game has an odd set of balance. Mallow is the only one to be often excised from the team since Peach is a better healer and his abilities don't cut it later on anyway. Mario can't be removed(unfortunately) from the on-battle team, so he's rarely taken into account. And Bowser, while not terribly great, is outshone by Geno instead. So, well, the main team people go with are not hard to see why. Rule of cool doesn't account for actually being good in battle, and the game actually has enough tough fights that making a good team does need to take priority. ...It does help that Mario is actually still pretty good anyway.

Yay for Randomizer and other hacks letting you make any team you want, I guess~
 
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My biggest issue with Super Mario RPG is that I feel like I didn’t have a whole lot of choice who I ended up using in my party. Mario is completely mandatory and Peach’s healing felt so important that I felt like I had to use her as well (although that might just have been me being bad at the game). That left me with one character that I felt like I had complete control over who I used. Bowser is easily my favorite on the roster and I couldn’t pass up on the opportunity to finally play as him in a story based game. That left Mallow and Geno, who I barely ever used, not because I don’t like them, but because I liked Bowser more. Because of that, I never made quite the same connection with Mallow or Geno as a lot of fans. Again, my Peach use may have just been because I wasn’t good enough at the game not to have to rely on her to beat it.
 
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Reimu Hakurei from Touhou Project at number 15.

I had to get to 15 before seeing a name I did not know nor am I familiar with the game. Crash came out way ahead as number 1. I think most of the top 10 are decently plausible with bwd and crash very likely
 
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Rieko Kodama, a big contributor to Sonic the Hedgehog, Alex Kidd, Phantasy Star, Skies of Arcadia and 7th Dragon, and one of Sega's oldest workers and developers alongside people like Yuji Naka and Naoto Ohshima, died in May. Her death wasn't revealed, to the respect of her family who wanted to grieve privately, until the recent release of the Mega Drive Mini 2 where Sega gave a memorial message for her in the credits.

R.I.P. Queen. You gave alot to Sega fans back then and you still were with the Sega Ages releases on Switch. Rest in piece.
 
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Truth be told Mario RPG is fairly unbalanced with its characters. A Mario/Peach/Geno party outright breaks the game, and Mallow's elemental based magic loses a lot of value once you have more powerful healers and magic wielders. Bowser hits hard, but with middling defense, being so slow, and unimpressive special moves, you can easily go without him. In terms of the story/tone proper, I do think Mallow and Geno both compliment each other's status and represent the great duality of the creator collaboration in Super Mario RPG.

Mallow is the goofier, more wacky Nintendo half of the equation. He's one of the most prominent characters that feels like he could have come from a Mario game, especially from the time period. I don't think its a coincidence that he's the first partner in game, because for a lot of new Mario fans playing their first RPG, he's a comfortable character in that sense, a silly looking cloud kid prone to clumsiness and a good cry here and there. And yet the use of elemental magic, his status as an adopted child, and his eventual reclaiming of his status as Prince is very JRPG like, the kind of attributes you could see in an FF protagonist. He's a cartoonish figure, but one with depth.

Geno of course is the other half who's entire nature feels much heavier than any Mario character had been up that point. A spirit entity with star magic, sent from the heavens above to restore the seven stars and once again give the world a chance to make their wishes come true. Its not hard to imagine numerous Square games having that kind of backstory. And yet he is still in the status of child's doll, using toy weapons (including a rocket punch to the face), and who's first act after coming to life is bumping his head into the stairs. He's a stoic and more serious character than the others, but there's some Mario lightheartedness that does slip into his characterization.

They're great original characters that effectively embody the two companies the crafted the game.
 
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Ivander said:

Rieko Kodama, a big contributor to Sonic the Hedgehog, Alex Kidd, Phantasy Star, Skies of Arcadia and 7th Dragon, and one of Sega's oldest workers and developers alongside people like Yuji Naka and Naoto Ohshima, died in May. Her death wasn't revealed, to the respect of her family who wanted to grieve privately, until the recent release of the Mega Drive Mini 2 where Sega gave a memorial message for her in the credits.

R.I.P. Queen. You gave alot to Sega fans back then and you still were with the Sega Ages releases on Switch. Rest in piece.
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Yeah the news got out yesterday. I am ****ing devastated.
 
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Gengar84 said:
Dixie and Impa are both among my very most wanted first party characters for Smash. The issue is that my preferred implementation of each of them isn’t really what the general Smash community seems to want.

I have little interest in either character as a clone or semi-clone of Diddy Kong or Sheik. The main reason I’m a bit disappointed in DK and Diddy’s movesets is that I don’t feel like they represent the original trilogy very well. DK has his ground slap and finally a roll dash attack and Diddy just has the cartwheel. Most of Diddy’s moves actually come from DK64. Dixie is my favorite Kong and I’d be hyped to see her with a moveset that takes direct inspiration from those original games. The two main mechanics that make DKC stand out for me are the unique tag system with double team attacks and the animal buddies. Even if neither is unique to Dixie specifically, she still utilized both in her games. That’s why I’d be a bit disappointed to see her get in as either a clone or with a bunch of made up attacks she never used. Basically, my stance is that I’d rather see her use moves that she canonically had, even if they weren’t unique specifically to her than see her have several made up attacks that she never used at all.

As for Impa, the only version of the character I truly loved was the original Hyrule Warriors. She has such an awesome design and attitude in that game that I feel she never really captured anywhere else. Both the naginata and the great sword have such unique potential in Smash that it would be a shame to see her reduced to a Sheik echo. I also feel like there are plenty of Smash characters with a cheery and bubbly personality and not a ton that are stoic. Even though I still like ALTTP Zelda, I feel that she lost a bit of what makes her stand out in comparison to Peach with Ultimate. Personally, I think that AoC Impa would continue this trend, even if she does have a lot of of moveset potential in her own right.
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I respect your take, always did. I just want them in any means necessary. So I'd settle with a Echo version, even if I know the characters have more to offer. Personally those versions of Dixie and Impa aren't my favorite of ideas, but I'd still welcome them with open arms.

I was a avid supporter of the original HW version of Impa after all, I jumped ship to AoC because it's the version I feel they'd most likely use, is the most popular, and the game is deemed as a direct Zelda spin off so therefore I feel this Impa would be used.

With Dixie, I accept her regardless and the Animal Buddies would be cool to base her moveset around, but she has her own abilities and I feel they could create a great moveset for her like they did with Diddy. I like Diddy's moveset, even if I'd opt for at least one tail whip attack and use the dual Peanut Popguns and no Banana but say, a super charged cart wheel attack, but overall I just love his play style and moveset. That's also part of the reason I wouldn't exactly mind Dixie sharing moves by being a semi clone or "Echo" (like Ken is, or Isabelle by extension) if she retains her unique abilities at least.
 
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The poll has been updated and the only change is that Sans is in 28th place, tied with Heavy from Team Fortress 2.
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Yay, my post on crash doesn’t need to be amended /s

I am surprised Sans was that low considering how hype his Mii costume made people. Maybe it gave them their fix and getting megalovania was enough?
 
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What do you guys think of this video. Corrections have been made compared to the last version.

The top 10 characters are Doom Slayer, Dante, Isaac, Geno, Master Chief, Rayman, Waluigi, Phoenix Wright, Bandana Dee and Crash. Unlike the last Sourcegaming poll, there are three NIntendo characters in the top 10.
 
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Since we were talking about Square Enix earlier, is this a good thing or a bad thing?


TBH, I'm a little confused by the wording here...

(To make it more on-topic, do you think they could convince Nintendo to just buy their stuff from SMRPG? Because that's probably Geno's best shot at this point).
 
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True Blue Warrior said:

What do you guys think of this video. Corrections have been made compared to the last version.

The top 10 characters are Doom Slayer, Dante, Isaac, Geno, Master Chief, Rayman, Waluigi, Phoenix Wright, Bandana Dee and Crash. Unlike the last Sourcegaming poll, there are three NIntendo characters in the top 10.
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Marina got 2 votes. At least she's still getting votes
 
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True Blue Warrior said:

What do you guys think of this video. Corrections have been made compared to the last version.

The top 10 characters are Doom Slayer, Dante, Isaac, Geno, Master Chief, Rayman, Waluigi, Phoenix Wright, Bandana Dee and Crash. Unlike the last Sourcegaming poll, there are three NIntendo characters in the top 10.
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The top 10 would make for a great line-up in the next smash
 
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chocolatejr9 said:
Since we were talking about Square Enix earlier, is this a good thing or a bad thing?


TBH, I'm a little confused by the wording here...

(To make it more on-topic, do you think they could convince Nintendo to just buy their stuff from SMRPG? Because that's probably Geno's best shot at this point).
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Good and hopefull. Good because less risk equals stronger investment and a higher dividend. Hopeful because smaller studios with quality work can be a part of a major entity for support and financial protection without the risk of being shut out by competitors. Quality will speak for itself. And this means they can even go to Europe or China for co production.
 
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chocolatejr9 said:
(To make it more on-topic, do you think they could convince Nintendo to just buy their stuff from SMRPG?
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I don't think current Nintendo is even that interested in Mario RPG. They'd probably buy it if it was dirt cheap and rerelease it like other SNES games, but I just can't see Nintendo seeing Mario RPG as a huge draw.
 
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True Blue Warrior said:

What do you guys think of this video. Corrections have been made compared to the last version.

The top 10 characters are Doom Slayer, Dante, Isaac, Geno, Master Chief, Rayman, Waluigi, Phoenix Wright, Bandana Dee and Crash. Unlike the last Sourcegaming poll, there are three NIntendo characters in the top 10.
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I just noticed how Ashley and Noah are just one vote behind Chibi Robo.

And well, there aren't really Fire Emblem choices with traction besides Lyn I suppose. Also, Dimitri was the only one of the Three Houses House Leaders that didn't get a single vote xD.
 
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I already did years ago, so yes.

I also noticed that there must be another huge mistake in the poll. How did Dr. Goomba Tower get no votes? I think we need another recount :p.

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Already bought it because of the Geno hype
Edit: and I bought a whole wii U just for it and Earthbound
 
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silenthunder said:
Already bought it because of the Geno hype
Edit: and I bought a whole wii U just for it and Earthbound
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I originally rented it when it first came out years ago on the SNES. Then, years later (during the early 2000’s I think) I bought another SNES and bought a copy of Super Mario RPG and finally beat it.
 
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I basically played SMRPG a long time ago on my cousin's SNES. I bought my own later, or otherwise played it through emulator(let's just say having no controller is oof). Being I owned it, I never bought its releases on any kind of VC variant.

...It's probably cause I played and beat Dragon Warrior 1 and Final Fantasy 1 easily. So "exploration" was a norm for me. I never found the game difficult to figure out at any point(finding all the hidden stuff, obviously, was a different story) Hell, I didn't need a map for Zelda 1's first quest. I did it all myself. ...Second quest, tho. Z2 is similar, it's just that the game was tough as nails for me, despite having a more streamlined combat system ironically.
 
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Sucumbio said:
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Would YOU buy Super Mario RPG?
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I rented it on the SNES when it first came out but I knew nothing about RPGs at that time so I didn't really touch it anymore after that.

It wasn't until I bought it on the Wii VC years later when I played it again. This time, with a better understanding of RPGs and with the help of Youtube videos, I managed to play through the whole game and beat it. It was actually kind of fun.
 
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I rented it on the SNES when it first came out but I knew nothing about RPGs at that time so I didn't really touch it anymore after that.

It wasn't until I bought it on the Wii VC years later when I played it again. This time, with a better understanding of RPGs and with the help of Youtube videos, I managed to play through the whole game and beat it. It was actually kind of fun.
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I didn’t understand RPGs either when I first played it on the SNES. I kept trying to avoid enemies so my characters never gained any levels. I couldn’t even make it past the first encounter with Croc back then.
 
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In my era it was just about getting yourself unlost. These 3d games with openish worlds. Finding yourself in the same old place looking for something new wasn't very frustrating but did streamline the fun that I wasn't having
 
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Gengar84 said:
I think the three of us need to join together and rally our favorites from the NES and SNES era. It’s almost criminal how neglected these former icons are these days lol. We’ve got to build support for these old school favorites somehow.
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Now that the SourceGaming poll's results were fixed here are a few stats I thought were of interest.

There was a lot of overlap from their previous top 50, but 9 characters from this year's list weren't top 50 in 2020's poll, those being:
  • Kazuma Kiryu
  • Alucard
  • Toad
  • Raven Beak
  • Krystal
  • Impa
  • Officer Howard
  • Sans
  • Karate Joe
Since they didn't do a mini memorial this time, here are the characters that were in the top 50 for their 2020 poll but didn't make it this time:
  • Made it into the game: Sora and Steve
  • Series made it into the game: Rex & Pyra and Heihachi
  • Didn't get in the game: Lara Croft, Kos-Mos, Hat Kid, Quote, and Gordon Freeman
First parties were more popular this time around, with 14 in this year's top 50 compared to the 9 from the previous poll. If you're not too keen on third parties, here are the top 50 first parties from this poll.
1. Bandana Waddle Dee
2. Waluigi
3. Isaac
4. Dixie Kong
5. Paper Mario
6. Karate Joe
7. Skull Kid
8. Elma
9. Officer Howard
10. Impa
11. Krystal
12. Raven Beak
13. Toad
14. Porky
The following was in the top 50 before getting dunked on
15. Chibi-Robo
The following didn't make the top 50 overall
16. Ashley
17. Noah
18. Empress Zethia
19. Grovyle
20. Takamaru
21. Octoling
22. Andy
23. Lyn
24/25/26. Ayumi Tachibana
24/25/26. Hisuian Trainer
24/25/26. King Boo
27. Magolor
28. Marx
29. Captain Toad
30/31. Chorus Kids
30/31. Lip
32/33/34. Cinderace
32/33/34. Midna
32/33/34. Mio
35/36. Decidueye
35/36. Mike Jones
The following didn't make top 100 overall
37/38/39/40. Breath of the Wild Champions
37/38/39/40. Ninten
37/38/39/40. Sprigatito
37/38/39/40. Vaati
41/42/43/44/45. Cranky Kong
41/42/43/44/45. Euden
41/42/43/44/45. Qbby
41/42/43/44/45. Ray 01
41/42/43/44/45. Saki Amamiya
46/47/48/49/50. Excitebiker
46/47/48/49/50. Starfy
46/47/48/49/50. Sukapon
46/47/48/49/50. Twintelle
46/47/48/49/50. Viridi



Anyway, look Ma, it's me. Didn't mean for my vote to be a rework of Pyra, I just want Rex & Pyra added together as a new playable semi-duo fighter. What did ShadowLink mean about my transgressions?
 
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chocolatejr9 said:
Since we were talking about Square Enix earlier, is this a good thing or a bad thing?


TBH, I'm a little confused by the wording here...

(To make it more on-topic, do you think they could convince Nintendo to just buy their stuff from SMRPG? Because that's probably Geno's best shot at this point).
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I'm not an expert but this reads like they'll be buying and selling stakes of other studios in order to share resources.

I don't think there will be any IP purchases going from this statement.
 
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As a Team Fortress 2 fan, I think it's heartwarming to see the Heavy in the top 30 most wanted Smash Bros characters on the poll. Team Fortress 2 is the defining free to play PC game of the past 15 years. I know Valve games are in Switch which does help him, but I'd imagine Heavy getting added would really help Team Fortress 2 get even more popular. Be interesting to see how the Heavy grows in popularity and if he'll end up reaching the top ten or fifteen characters.
 
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fogbadge said:
i think we should don't putting so much stock in online polls
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I do agree with this sentiment somewhat but to play devil's advocate here I think we can look back on those top 10 regional polls that were conducted (before?) during Ultimate's speculation cycle as fairly indicative of a decent amount of what we got. I'm pretty certain that it was Sephiroth's most prominent presence in the Smash spec scene before his actual reveal. The one with Sora overperforming everyone in like every region.

I'm not gonna get into any heated arguments over these polls though or anything. That's not just cause my boy Crash Bandicoot is killing it either... I love that endearing little dumbass so much haha.
 
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