Official Next Smash - Speculation & Discussion Thread

[Speed Weed]

If I love Valkyria Chronicles, will I survive the winter?

Yes

How about Deep Fear?

Okay holy **** I respect this pull

 

[chocolatejr9]

Kamiya said in a recent Famitsu interview that he's forever indebted to Nintendo for Bayonetta 3.

He said the Bayonetta 3 proposal was made after Scalebound was cancelled, but plans to port Bayonetta 1 & 2 to Switch were already approved. pic.twitter.com/XiTBQIc0zL

— Stealth (@Stealth40k) October 30, 2022

Y'know, while I'm not entirely sure if a full blown acquisition is on the table (Platinum prefers their freedom, and they already have that Tencent money), at the very least I could see Platinum having a similar relationship to Nintendo as companies like Hal or IntSys, if that makes any sense. I mean, Astral Chain 2 seems like a no-brainer at this point (and has a good chance of joining Smash, just throwing that out there)...

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

At the very least, Platinum will likely need Nintendo as a stable revenue stream given their other ventures are far more hit and miss. Especially after Babylon's Fall landing right on its face, keeping close to the Big N for future projects is just common sense.

 

[Nabbitfan730]

On that note on the SourceGaming Smash Poll, I would say the results shouldn't be the sole-deciding evidence but instead just another piece of evidence for characters' chances such as other polls conducted in the past, seeing the changes and analyzing how and why changed, etc.

Not only that, but it also gives an insight into where speculation and support are right now post-Ultimate.

In theory it could be now, we don't know Sakurai's next project or anything. But that's also a big assumption to make. Moreover, it's unlikely they be canvassing for popularity results now when the fanbase is relatively dormant.

Couldn't disagree more, this is usually the time Sakurai and his team would be doing results and research for the newcomers. Especially now before his project plan. This is a weird issue many in the community fall into especially most supporters/campaigners/For-Smash accounts they assume that support and campaigns for their characters have the best chance when the game is announced thinking their efforts mean anything when the roster has already been chosen and compete making it all for naught. Failing to see the long game.

These results from this recent poll mean more for Smash 6 than any other due to its timeframe being closer to Sakurai's next project than anything else. Look at results pre-Ultimate from Source gaming and how the top 10 correlates more with Ultimate than any poll during Ultimate's run.

Now is the best time to garner results as this from now to before Smash 6 is the time when newcomers are research, negotiated and chosen which is why I also say to supporters/campaigners to take a page from The Rayman ForSmash account and still keep on campaigning and rallying support as this is prime time.

 

[MrMcNuts]

Now is the best time to garner results as this from now to before Smash 6 is the time when newcomers are chosen which is why I also say to supporters/campaigns to take a page from The Rayman ForSmash account and still campaign and rallying support as this is prime time.

We do be trying our best still! Support keeps growing and we might hit 10k in a few months

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Sakurai is hired by Nintendo, meaning he doesn't plan for stuff unless he's brought onboard to do so.

There's also bigger gaps or smaller ones between each release, so "the right time" doesn't actually have a pattern to follow nor do we have legitimate data on any new system. It's one of those cases where you're almost only going to be able figure stuff out solely due to hindsight.

To further clarify; While it can happen(Melee's project plan was completely shortly after SSB64 released), then we have a massive gap between Melee and Brawl, showing that it's more really tied to when a system is planned or already out. Brawl specifically not starting any development till 2005ish(and it was complicated since Sakurai was actually hired after the game was known) as well, and not releasing till 3 years later. Come Smash For, it was started in March 2012, quite a long time after Brawl's release(which didn't have straight DLC so much as some stage-related stuff and a bit of Smash Site updates). Smash Ultimate's development started shortly after Smash For released its final DLC. If and only if it started development not long after Ultimate, it just means that a new system is on the way but unknown.

So is it the right time to look at characters? Maybe. We lack any relevant information to make an educated guess on it. But at least the character pool is still pretty simple for some really cool options, so it's going to more be what direction the next game goes in, and everybody being back is pretty unlikely, so more newcomers has a lot of plausibility.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

What do you guys think of this video. Corrections have been made compared to the last version.

The top 10 characters are Doom Slayer, Dante, Isaac, Geno, Master Chief, Rayman, Waluigi, Phoenix Wright, Bandana Dee and Crash. Unlike the last Sourcegaming poll, there are three NIntendo characters in the top 10.

The fact that Hayabusa made it in at all is a win for me. That top 10 is really damn solid too.

EDIT: HOLY ****ING **** KIRYU ACTUALLY MADE IT ON THE LIST WHAT THE ****

 

[TCT~Phantom]

What do you guys think of this video. Corrections have been made compared to the last version.

The top 10 characters are Doom Slayer, Dante, Isaac, Geno, Master Chief, Rayman, Waluigi, Phoenix Wright, Bandana Dee and Crash. Unlike the last Sourcegaming poll, there are three NIntendo characters in the top 10.

One thing to note from the SG poll. Compared to their 2020 Poll, no character that was in the top 10 left the top 10. The only characters who left the top 10 were Sora and Steve. I think it is safe to say we all know why those two left the top ten .

Some characters moved a little bit. Geno, Dante, and Doom Guy all took slight hits, but it does not seem to be too major. All three of them are clearly still very requested characters. Bandana Dee, Waluigi, Isaac, and to a slightly lesser extent Master Chief all performed better. Crash and Rayman held steady with their very respectable placings.

Now, I already made a post on how there are potential issues with SG's poll. I do think that watching this trendline though could be a great indicator on where the hardcore fanbase's demand is going to broadly go. If these characters all stick around, these all are easy picks to highlight as fan favorites at the end of the day.

There were some more interesting drops and rises. ATs this time certainly did better. Alucard, Zero, Skull Kid, Krystal, Isaac, and Waluigi all saw nice rises. Perhaps without Ultimate and the DLC cycle around they have more breathing room. Eggman also exploded in want, almost hitting the top 10. After Sephiroth got in, Eggman feels like he has such a strong wind in his sails. First parties broadly also performed better outside of the DLC cycle. Krystal, Elma, Impa, Toad, and Officer Howard for example all rose a ton. I think this is also due to us no longer being in a FP2 environment. During DLC, new stuff and third parties were king: it makes sense people overwhelmingly backed dream picks that at the time were seemingly more likely. Also Klonoa rose a lot, but I do not really have a clean explanation for that other than his remake and people like the little guy.

In terms of drops, there are a few I think are neat to highlight. 2B dropped almost 30 places. Maybe part of her following was a bandwagon effect on a likely horse at the time? Or maybe the further we get from Automata the worse she will do? Arle saw a hit, but not as drastic of one. Maybe with Eggman on the table Sega competition is more fierce?

Probably the drop that surprised me the most was Hayabusa. It was almost a meme at points for FP2 that people were predicting Crash and Hayabusa. Ryu Hayabusa was generally seen as one of the most obvious choices possible to go with. And yet, it seems people are not as high on him as they were in 2020. That is not to say they oppose him now, but he did drop 10 whole spots and knocked out of the top 20. My guess is that while Hayabusa does have fans (such as myself), I think for many others he is a character they expect rather than want. But that is just me spitballing.

 

[silenthunder]

Arle went from being number 20 to not even getting a vote

 

[TCT~Phantom]

Arle went from being number 20 to not even getting a vote

Mega Smash Poll Ultimate Results – The Most Wanted Fighters for a Future Game

It’s time for part 7 of the Mega Smash Poll Ultimate results. In this part, we will be looking beyond Super Smash Bros. Ultimate, and looking at the franchises future. What better way to start than…

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She got 38th my guy.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Could someone post a list of the ten first parties who performed the best on the poll? I'd do it myself but I'm away from my computer and my phone is hard to work with.

 

[Goombaic]

Could someone post a list of the ten first parties who performed the best on the poll? I'd do it myself but I'm away from my computer and my phone is hard to work with.

I did up to 50.

Spoiler: First Party Party

1. Bandana Waddle Dee
2. Waluigi
3. Isaac
4. Dixie Kong
5. Paper Mario
6. Karate Joe
7. Skull Kid
8. Elma
9. Officer Howard
10. Impa
11. Krystal
12. Raven Beak
13. Toad
14. Porky
The following was in the top 50 before getting dunked on
15. Chibi-Robo
The following didn't make the top 50 overall
16. Ashley
17. Noah
18. Empress Zethia
19. Grovyle
20. Takamaru
21. Octoling
22. Andy
23. Lyn
24/25/26. Ayumi Tachibana
24/25/26. Hisuian Trainer
24/25/26. King Boo
27. Magolor
28. Marx
29. Captain Toad
30/31. Chorus Kids
30/31. Lip
32/33/34. Cinderace
32/33/34. Midna
32/33/34. Mio
35/36. Decidueye
35/36. Mike Jones
The following didn't make top 100 overall
37/38/39/40. Breath of the Wild Champions
37/38/39/40. Ninten
37/38/39/40. Sprigatito
37/38/39/40. Vaati
41/42/43/44/45. Cranky Kong
41/42/43/44/45. Euden
41/42/43/44/45. Qbby
41/42/43/44/45. Ray 01
41/42/43/44/45. Saki Amamiya
46/47/48/49/50. Excitebiker
46/47/48/49/50. Starfy
46/47/48/49/50. Sukapon
46/47/48/49/50. Twintelle
46/47/48/49/50. Viridi

 

[True Blue Warrior]

That top 10 is really damn solid too.

It’s a diverse and interesting line-up.

ATs this time certainly did better. Alucard, Zero, Skull Kid, Krystal, Isaac, and Waluigi all saw nice rises.

Also makes sense since AT promotions were looked as extremely unlikely if not impossible by many as DLC.

Eggman also exploded in want, almost hitting the top 10. After Sephiroth got in, Eggman feels like he has such a strong wind in his sails.

It is a shame Chun Li didn’t crack the top 50. As for Eggman, it makes sense since Sephiroth showed a second non-echo fighter for a third-party franchise was possible and both he and Eggman are some of the most iconic video game villains.

2B dropped almost 30 places. Maybe part of her following was a bandwagon effect on a likely horse at the time? Or maybe the further we get from Automata the worse she will do?

The poll was taken around March. If this poll was taken now, she’d do better as would the Octolings.

 

[Gengar84]

For a long time, I was stumped on an idea for a Final Smash for Bill and Lance if they were in Smash.

Today, I figured that the airship missile, as shown in Contra III, would be just right for them.

I really hope they're the next Konami characters in the next Smash game.

My idea was to use the big screen clearing bomb from Contra III as their Final Smash but that’s a cool idea too.

 

[chocolatejr9]

You guys wanna know how easy it is to sell me on a possible Smash rep? All I had to do was watch this vid, and now I want Bloody Roar in Smash.

Though I can't decide if I want Yugo (with Fang as an Echo because that's basically what he is) or the funny chameleon dude...

 

[Wonder Smash]

My idea was to use the big screen clearing bomb from Contra III as their Final Smash but that’s a cool idea too.

Yeah, that can work too. I was just trying to find something a little more dramatic.

 

[Sucumbio]

If Contra enters smash I want a classic contra stage with helicopter or fortress or the waterfall.... I wanna play Contra now.

 

[Nabbitfan730]

One thing to note from the SG poll. Compared to their 2020 Poll, no character that was in the top 10 left the top 10. The only characters who left the top 10 were Sora and Steve. I think it is safe to say we all know why those two left the top ten .

Some characters moved a little bit. Geno, Dante, and Doom Guy all took slight hits, but it does not seem to be too major. All three of them are clearly still very requested characters. Bandana Dee, Waluigi, Isaac, and to a slightly lesser extent Master Chief all performed better. Crash and Rayman held steady with their very respectable placings.

Eggman also exploded in want, almost hitting the top 10. After Sephiroth got in, Eggman feels like he has such a strong wind in his sails.

Most of these results make sense and correlate with events that have transpired so far.

December 2020 was a major blow to the Geno campaign from prominent members leaving, getting bans, chances decreasing like a rock and with detractors being even increasingly popular than ever before, etc so a drop was unfortunately inevitable. Honestly, I'm surprised as I am glad that the dude remained Top 10. Impressive for a forgotten side character.

Idk much other Doom Guy or Dante but I am willing to guess with the former's increased popularity in 2020 was due to the release of Doom Eternal, Animal Crossing crossover memes gaining rise on the internet and anticipation of TGAs kept the appeal and relevance of Doom Guy support alive and now almost 2 years later has died down a bit with Mii Costumes for both being consolation prizes resulting their drops.

Waluigi's popularity has just been increasing more than ever since his 2018 deconfirmation to the point his name is becoming more in line with Smash than his series at least with internet culture. I also guess the same with Issac but to a much lesser extent + Diehard support from fans as the backbone resulting in their rises. Bandana Dee has just been getting more relevance in general from Hal's decisions to make Dee the "Luigi" of Kirby with Kirby Fighters 2, Forgotten Land and now the RTTDL remake + also fans desires to see Modern Kirby's in Smash make his rises a no-brainer.

Can't say much for Chief other maybe his live show getting some buzz along with Halo Infinite....Ig.

Eggman's exploding increase makes sense as not only did Sephiroth open gates, between 2020 and now was also Sonic's (and Eggman's) 30th Anniversary with recent releases and celebrations with Sonic Colors Ultimate, Sonic Movie 2, IDW's Metal Virus, Promotional Material, etc where Eggman has a prominent role more than ever keeping him in the minds of many even more than usual. Yeah, not a surprise as he got an explosive boost in the polls.

 

[MrMcNuts]

Most of these results make sense and correlate with events that have transpired so far.

December 2020 was a major blow to the Geno campaign from prominent members leaving, getting bans, chances decreasing like a rock and with detractors being even increasingly popular than ever before, etc so a drop was unfortunately inevitable. Honestly, I'm surprised as I am glad that the dude remained Top 10. Impressive for a forgotten side character.

Idk much other Doom Guy or Dante but I am willing to guess with the former's increased popularity in 2020 was due to the release of Doom Eternal, Animal Crossing crossover memes gaining rise on the internet and anticipation of TGAs kept the appeal and relevance of Doom Guy support alive and now almost 2 years later has died down a bit with Mii Costumes for both being consolation prizes resulting their drops.

Waluigi's popularity has just been increasing more than ever since his 2018 deconfirmation to the point his name is becoming more in line with Smash than his series at least with internet culture. I also guess the same with Issac but to a much lesser extent + Diehard support from fans as the backbone resulting in their rises. Bandana Dee has just been getting more relevance in general from Hal's decisions to make Dee the "Luigi" of Kirby with Kirby Fighters 2, Forgotten Land and now the RTTDL remake + also fans desires to see Modern Kirby's in Smash make his rises a no-brainer.

Can't say much for Chief other maybe his live show getting some buzz along with Halo Infinite....Ig.

Eggman's exploding increase makes sense as not only did Sephiroth open gates, between 2020 and now was also Sonic's (and Eggman's) 30th Anniversary with recent releases and celebrations with Sonic Colors Ultimate, Sonic Movie 2, IDW's Metal Virus, Promotional Material, etc where Eggman has a prominent role more than ever keeping him in the minds of many even more than usual. Yeah, not a surprise as he got an explosive boost in the polls.

Gonna add this since I'm the Rayman guy but kinda worth noting this prior to his sparks of hope announcement, which makes it more impressive he's remained a big request while being dead for 9 years! Wonder if he'll climb higher in future polls with sparks of hope and now him getting some Youtooz merch (merch probably doesn't make as big of a boost really but hopefully it's a sign he's getting more stuff) boosting him a lil!

 

[Wonder Smash]

Can't say much for Chief other maybe his live show getting some buzz along with Halo Infinite....Ig.

If I'm not mistaken, didn't they both get a lot of backlash from the fans?

 

[MrMcNuts]

If I'm not mistaken, didn't they both get a lot of backlash from the fans?

I haven't seen it but the halo show was amazing as in each time I read a synopsis for a new episode it managed to sound worse and worse

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

The Halo Show was more based upon the novels than the games, which is where part of the backlash came from. Including Chief taking off his helmet. Naturally didn't go well due to him being the faceless as a major game thing(and very memetic).

 

[Sucumbio]

The show was over acted and under acted and boring... Such potential but it took too long to get to the action and it's too heavily influenced by other modern tv shows like GoT.

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

To put things in perspective, the most talked about thing from the adaptation was not the quality of the acting, writing, or special effects.

It was a scene of Master Chief sleeping with a female prisoner while his AI ally Cortana uncomfortably watched them, thus instantly leading to the nickname/meme of Cucktana.

This is the legacy of the Halo TV show.

 

[Quillion]

Still think we'll need to see Microsoft be active with putting Halo on other platforms than PC and Xbox before we see Halo content in Smash.

Xbox Game Studios probably has too much sentimentality towards Halo as an exclusive to put it on other consoles, minor cameo in Minecraft aside. At least they'll be nice enough to still share ActiBlizz and Zenimax stuff thankfully.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Microsoft wouldn't have licensed any Halo content to Nintendo if any kind of exclusivity mattered for any crossover in general. So that doesn't actually matter. Remember, any licensing counts for business. You either get licensed or you don't. That "level" of it doesn't really change in the long run. The difference between one crossover and another is not tangible in the long run. In the end, what we'd have gotten if it wasn't a playable character was Costumes or Spirits. Which are quite minor compared to actual playable characters. They're nothing more than simple cameos. Especially when stages are more important, since they represent an entire world(something Minecraft did for Halo among other franchises, anyway).

As I said before, Nintendo nor Microsoft would be against the idea at this point. It would only come to down to licensing costs being too high or Sakurai not wanting to/never thought of the idea. Either is plausible.

 

[Quillion]

Microsoft wouldn't have licensed any Halo content to Nintendo if any kind of exclusivity mattered for any crossover in general. So that doesn't actually matter. Remember, any licensing counts for business. You either get licensed or you don't. That "level" of it doesn't really change in the long run. The difference between one crossover and another is not tangible in the long run. In the end, what we'd have gotten if it wasn't a playable character was Costumes or Spirits. Which are quite minor compared to actual playable characters. They're nothing more than simple cameos. Especially when stages are more important, since they represent an entire world(something Minecraft did for Halo among other franchises, anyway).

As I said before, Nintendo nor Microsoft would be against the idea at this point. It would only come to down to licensing costs being too high or Sakurai not wanting to/never thought of the idea. Either is plausible.

I still don't know... There's still the wrinkle of Minecraft being an independent third-party production at the time the Halo stuff was added, then Microsoft bought the developer some months later.

I'm not so sure Xbox GS would be so kind to let a Nintendo-owned IP have that much significant use of Halo until Xbox GS throws it into the pile of things they're willing to share alongside ActiBlizz and Zenimax IPs.

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

While it would lessen the holy s*** factor of them being in Smash I can't lie Master Chief, (and a whole bunch of third party characters now that I'm thinking about it) popping as DLC in a Mario Kart title would be pretty fun. Him in a Warthog racer would be less work to implement than him as a fighter in SSB, and with the insane numbers Mario Kart does, the DLC would do easy money for both Microsoft and Nintendo.

 

[Quillion]

While it would lessen the holy s*** factor of them being in Smash I can't lie Master Chief, (and a whole bunch of third party characters now that I'm thinking about it) popping as DLC in a Mario Kart title would be pretty fun. Him in Warthog would be less work to implement than him as a fighter in SSB, and with the insane numbers Mario Kart does, the DLC would do easy money for both Microsoft and Nintendo.

It's certainly the most realistic route for Geno to be reintroduced to current games, so I'll give that it'll work for Halo content on Nintendo too.

But I still don't see Xbox GS being willing on that front unless they're willing to share wholesale.

 

[silenthunder]

Mega Smash Poll Ultimate Results – The Most Wanted Fighters for a Future Game

It’s time for part 7 of the Mega Smash Poll Ultimate results. In this part, we will be looking beyond Super Smash Bros. Ultimate, and looking at the franchises future. What better way to start than…

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She got 38th my guy.

missed that


Also Alan wake was a big exclusive back in the day. Now they have a ton of aquisitions under their belt but it used to just be Gears of war, Halo, Alan Wake, and Fable

Edit: Forgot to say, Alan Wake is on the Switch!!!

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I still don't know... There's still the wrinkle of Minecraft being an independent third-party production at the time the Halo stuff was added, then Microsoft bought the developer some months later.

I'm not so sure Xbox GS would be so kind to let a Nintendo-owned IP have that much significant use of Halo until Xbox GS throws it into the pile of things they're willing to share alongside ActiBlizz and Zenimax IPs.

Microsoft entirely owned Minecraft by the time the Halo pack came to Nintendo. That might've been relevant back when it was an Xbox 360/PC exclusive, as Halo didn't just immediately appear on the Minecraft DLC stuff for a bit. But various licensing, etc.

Crossovers aren't "significant" use. Especially if it's not a playable character. Costumes and Spirits are small cameos, and that's all anyone was talking about. Now, playable, sure, that's a fair point. That's a very big deal(and part of why Microsoft was giddy with the idea for BK, because it wasn't originally an exclusive. Rareware's previous employees there were, to say the least, crazy happy). Being a straight exclusive does have a bearing on playable since that's more than a minor advertisement. Unlike the rest. This could be even why Steve/Alex were in talk for years on end, since 2015. And even then, either they all have equal importance, or minor moments stay minor regardless of series. You can't have it both ways.

Also, "share wholesome" already existed. Sakurai advertised Banjo & Kazooie for Xbox. Simple. Straight out said it. Want to know what would happen with a playable Halo character? The same thing. I do agree that a minor cameo in anything(even Smash) is more likely than playable due to the exclusivity front.

 

[Quillion]

Also, "share wholesome" already existed. Sakurai advertised Banjo & Kazooie for Xbox. Simple. Straight out said it. Want to know what would happen with a playable Halo character? The same thing. I do agree that a minor cameo in anything(even Smash) is more likely than playable due to the exclusivity front.

That's the thing though, I don't see Xbox GS as willing to license Halo content in Smash like that unless they want to work towards to eliminating exclusivity from their golden flagship.

Maybe it'll happen in the future; I think the time is right for even Nintendo themselves to release some of their games on PC and no other platform. But even then there's undoubtedly going to be limits.

 

[silenthunder]

Alan Wake was one of Xboxes few babies. Nintendo has a ton of big name nostalgic exclusives, but Alan Wake was kinda a big one for Microsoft and now its on switch. Isn't that a big deal?

 

[Quillion]

Alan Wake was one of Xboxes few babies. Nintendo has a ton of big name nostalgic exclusives, but Alan Wake was kinda a big one for Microsoft and now its on switch. Isn't that a big deal?

That IP seems to be owned by Remedy themselves rather than Xbox GS. Epic was the one who published the remaster.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

That's the thing though, I don't see Xbox GS as willing to license Halo content in Smash like that unless they want to work towards to eliminating exclusivity from their golden flagship.

Maybe it'll happen in the future; I think the time is right for even Nintendo themselves to release some of their games on PC and no other platform. But even then there's undoubtedly going to be limits.

BK is pretty much hard exclusive outside of Smash too and Minecraft cameos, and they don't plan on letting it go. So... the difference is kind of minor honestly.

But they aren't eliminating it nor attempting to. Halo content, any, is guest content no matter how you slice it. It's a crossover. It has nothing to do with any Halo games coming over. And again, nobody was arguing for Master Chief to be playable. At the end of the day, it was still about minor cameos. Of course him being playable is a much bigger hurdle, due to only having a decent-sized Nintendo cameo at best. Mario Kart cameos wouldn't help either, for the same reason. Either Microsoft is okay with him being fully playable or they aren't. Though that said, if Master Chief shows up in Mario Kart, which would be a playable character, then not entirely unlike the Minecraft situation, but still a pretty big thing, well...

But the main point is people are way overstating the difference in the appearances. The difference between a costume, spirit, and skin are basically nonexistent. Playable is legitimately different, but only minorly so.

Alan Wake was one of Xboxes few babies. Nintendo has a ton of big name nostalgic exclusives, but Alan Wake was kinda a big one for Microsoft and now its on switch. Isn't that a big deal?

I mean, did they own them or did Microsoft just license it first? Slight difference.

But yeah, exclusives haven't really been notable outside of Nintendo and Sony ones these days. Microsoft is hard tied to the PC by design, so they are just simply more open instead.

 

[Quillion]

BK is pretty much hard exclusive outside of Smash too and Minecraft cameos, and they don't plan on letting it go. So... the difference is kind of minor honestly.

Huh? Banjo at least has a history from when Rare was a Nintendo partner, and now the original game is happily on both Switch and Xbox. Rare stuff is clearly in the class they're willing to share.

But they aren't eliminating it nor attempting to. Halo content, any, is guest content no matter how you slice it. It's a crossover. It has nothing to do with any Halo games coming over. And again, nobody was arguing for Master Chief to be playable. At the end of the day, it was still about minor cameos. Of course him being playable is a much bigger hurdle, due to only having a decent-sized Nintendo cameo at best. Mario Kart cameos wouldn't help either, for the same reason. Either Microsoft is okay with him being fully playable or they aren't. Though that said, if Master Chief shows up in Mario Kart, which would be a playable character, then not entirely unlike the Minecraft situation, but still a pretty big thing, well...

But the main point is people are way overstating the difference in the appearances. The difference between a costume, spirit, and skin are basically nonexistent. Playable is legitimately different, but only minorly so.

I'll just believe that Microsoft is willing to share Halo stuff in a Nintendo IP when I see it.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Huh? Banjo at least has a history from when Rare was a Nintendo partner, and now the original game is happily on both Switch and Xbox. Rare stuff is clearly in the class they're willing to share.

But they weren't at the time, now were they? The N64 NSO wasn't remotely a thing during those licensing periods, so it's completely irrelevant there. It's not in a class they're willing to share. It's already something they didn't care because the whole point was "can they license it or not". Again, you're ignoring that at the time, it was clearly advertised as "play on Xbox". This didn't change cause of Smash Bros. N64 NSO came out way later and dynamics changed. And keep in mind it's not as notable as you think. We simply got ports of the original N64 games, not the Microsoft updated ports, meaning they weren't willing to share said Microsoft exclusive content. It doesn't speak actually well, now does it? So if Nintendo can't even get the actual updated ports, they were probably not able to get as much out of Microsoft anyway. BK is more of a lucky thing, but only after Minecraft directly created stronger relations between them. Sure, this could mean Halo won't show up beyond Minecraft too. ...BK ain't getting something beyond N64 NSO and as a guest character in Smash either, then. Cause clearly it's not being held to a high degree like you think it is.

I'll just believe that Microsoft is willing to share Halo stuff in a Nintendo IP when I see it.

Licensing is licensing at the end of the day. Microsoft wouldn't let it ever appear on the Switch Minecraft version if they actually cared by the fact that it was on a Nintendo system. The only people licensing it is Nintendo to have Microsoft content on their system. Just the same as when they got Minecraft in general(which was owned by Microsoft by that point).

Also, see up above. Nintendo clearly wasn't able to get the updated ports of BK at all. Which also implies that Microsoft is friendly, but has limits. So that only speaks against all their franchises, not just Halo.

 

[DarthEnderX]

If Contra enters smash I want a classic contra stage with helicopter or fortress or the waterfall.... I wanna play Contra now.

The only Contra stage choice:

 

[Geno Boost]

Curious what game franchise do you think it should get a stage before a playable character?
We had wrecking crew, balloon fight, animal crossing, pilot wings stage before getting a playable character from their series

 

[Quillion]

Licensing is licensing at the end of the day. Microsoft wouldn't let it ever appear on the Switch Minecraft version if they actually cared by the fact that it was on a Nintendo system. The only people licensing it is Nintendo to have Microsoft content on their system. Just the same as when they got Minecraft in general(which was owned by Microsoft by that point).

Also, see up above. Nintendo clearly wasn't able to get the updated ports of BK at all. Which also implies that Microsoft is friendly, but has limits. So that only speaks against all their franchises, not just Halo.

I'll still just believe Microsoft is willing to put Halo stuff in a Nintendo IP when I see it.