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Yup! I agree with this, Isaac is the kind of character that mostly exists in Smash dedicated stuff, a bit like Geno in that regard, when you go outside of Smash hardcore, I imagine the wants for Smash characters become mostly Third Parties.
I mean, I highlighted specifically in the dedicated hardcore smash speculation scene, Waluigi is not the most demanded first party. Among casual viewers? Sure he is probably more wanted than Isaac.
I have not looked at sales and download info for the Kirby franchise dating back to Splatoon coming out but I'm guessing it's been out sold by a lot by now. I concur it's very likely we get a second Splatoon character in the next Smash.
Yeah, its probably my second or third favorite of the new pokemon shown off so far. I do really like Sprigatito and Fuecoco. I also think Farigiraf is cool, if only due to making Girafarig not just a random forgotten pokemon.
wasn’t spooky at all I felt
All of that is still pretty minor, no matter how you put it. It's just skins and textures in a game that's not even part of its own series, so yes, that's significantly less compared to an actual game. Everything else in Smash had at least one game on a Nintendo console featuring a character before they appeared in that Smash game. It would be kind of silly to say a character should also be in just because of skins and textures from a separate game.
I'm...not sure exactly what you're getting at. What you were talking about was somewhat unrelated what I was saying, as I didn't mention anything about when the game was in development, as I already stated. What I was talking about was if the game had been an earlier Switch title alongside the others I mentioned. So not only was it strange for you ask me that, it should be no surprise if I couldn't answer that because that's info only the company can give out. Even in what you found, it just said it was teased, which really isn't enough to explain what's going on with the development. Because the truth is, aren't any details.
Dunno about Sakurai's own feelings, but I similarly feel like Geno isn't happening. I could see Sakurai still wanting him, but Square-Enix has loads of characters they would likely see as higher priority. Ultimate had adding a bunch of fan faves as one of its priorities, but, not that fan faves will be off the table in the future, that could very well be a lesser priority of future Smash games. And it's not like there's a lack of characters fans will love who aren't Geno. You can't really fault S-E for going with other choices when they've got a dozen or more strong ones, and they could feel that SMRPG isn't lacking for reps anyway (which it's not - Mario, Bowser, and Peach have been on the roster for decades and aren't going anywhere even if a future game makes a lot of cuts). While Geno may get brought up as a fan fave, I doubt Sakurai is gonna push back much if S-E chooses another character.
I mean, if you actually read what I said, you'd know that's not the whole story. First, DLC models prove what you said wrong; if stuff costs more, it's because it has more content. They are not identical levels of content no matter how you go about it. That's just basic business. It costs more because it requires more. In addition, the reason mash-up packs cost more is because it includes some notable things; normally include modifications to the title screen, a skin pack, a texture pack, and a themed world; many also include themed music tracks or make them available for download. The second you turn a game into another themed version of it, that's not a "minor" change. That's a pretty major change to the game itself. That's why there's a major price jump.
Besides being entirely related to what would make your hypothetical in any way possible, the tease time means it's been in development for a while now, which does give us a legitimate and educated guess to when it was developed. It means the game entirely has a full concept, various details were given, and in any case, how much gameplay is seen during a tease tells if it's been straight-out developed or still in the planning phase. However, seeing as how the game got teased in 2020, that means enough work was done development-wise that a simple spirit didn't miss the boat. It released in early 2022 too, and Smash's DLC finished in late 2021, keep in mind. The actual timeline shows that development time wasn't actually an issue at all.
Yet, that still doesn't compare to an actual game, which is what you still don't seem to get. All you're basically saying is that the mash-up is official, in which nobody is denying but that's not the point. In the end, it's all just skins and textures within another game, which is less than what other series had before they were represented in Smash.
I personally don't find it weird. Like I said before, with Halo not having any games on Nintendo consoles, I'm not surprised that it's not represented in Smash. Banjo and Minecraft have been on Nintendo consoles and while I'm not saying that's the only reason they're in Smash. it's something that I don't think should be overlooked. The fact that Sakurai mentioned a character's appearances on Nintendo consoles during an interview when talking about Cloud means that it is something that's important to him some way. Heck, it may even be important to Nintendo. Heck, at one point, Nintendo (on their website) even mentioned that the series that Persona spun off from has a long history on their consoles. So it is clear that a connection to Nintendo does matter more than some people think.
You do know my hypothetical includes getting a stage, right?
I think Toad has a real chance and I feel like he’s being a bit overlooked, personally. If the Mario movie is a success, I feel that may help his chances even more. Similarly to how I feel that the Sonic movies increase the chances of seeing either Eggman, Tails, or Knuckles. If Toad’s portrayal in the film ends up being as likable as the Sonic characters, I can definitely see support for him greatly increase.
so long as kegan doesn’t voice him in smash
I wouldn’t expect him to. Just like I don’t think Jim Carrey would voice Eggman or Ryan Reynolds voicing Detective Pikachu if they made it in. They’re almost definitely going to keep the Hollywood actors for just their portrayal in the movies.
I am always ready to talk about Toad
see i find that thinking a little flawed. toad has access to so many things the rest of the mario gang hasn't used. from many power ups across many games, to equipment from untouched spin offs. this is smash after all he could even use MP dice
...Those aren't "unique features". Those are features everybody have. Remember, he's not the only Mario contender under the sun. Every single remaining Mario character(or at least a bunch) can use said features, so they don't make him stand out directly from those others. Even if it's, say, Waluigi and King Boo. Who both can use same said abilities. This is why it's a detriment. It's not an ability that's specific to him within his own series. While it's not saying it's a bad moveset idea whatsoever(no, they're great ideas!), it doesn't make it an ability specific to him and only him. It's actually something Sakurai talked about during Brawl, when choosing various characters. Of course, that doesn't mean it applies to all, like Echo Fighters, or any general Model Swap Fighter(clones, semi-clones, "barely count as a clone"(for this last one, this applies more to ones like Wolf or Ness, who both use a core base instead of borrowing a few moves, but blatantly are highly different from their parents Fox and Mario respectively).
As I've said before, Chrom is not in the same position either way. He's just a quick summon as part of the overall Final Smash and plays a very small role in it.
Those sound like cool ideas.
that’s the point, not having a unique feature shouldn’t be disqualifying especially when the moveset potential is so fast you could have plenty left over for all the contenders. like Pokemon like fire emblem the vast majority of of characters have moved that they share with a lot of other characters. so to say a thing is a detriment is just false
My dream has always been Dr. Eggman ever since Sephy was first shown off.
I didn’t mean to imply that Toad would borrow Peach’s animations, just the move as a concept. Toad’s completely different body shape would indeed prevent them from saving any animation work. Still, the move fits him as well as it does Peach so I think it would be worth the extra animation effort to give him a similar move with slightly different properties.
The reality is... it is. It's a big detriment to him because Sakurai is having trouble envisioning something that makes Toad stand out from the other Mario options. This is why many got in before he could, because they had unique options. The only other ones were some kind of straight clone(no semi-clone was added for Super Mario yet).
I don’t know. Super Mario Bros. 2 mechanics like the Super Jump, Turnips, and Flying Carpet definitely make me think of Toad. Like I mentioned, that game was his and Peach’s first playable role and they all had unique properties in that game. Leaning into that game as a whole would at least make his moveset feel faithful to me. You could even get a bit crazy with this idea if you want like incorporating a digging mechanic (likely too much work) or a move where he picks up a key and causes the cursed mask to fly around the screen. Maybe I’m just old but the first thing that always sticks in my mind when I hear “playable Toad” is SMB2.
that's pure speculation. we have no way of knowing what's going on in sakurai's head. need i remind you that peach's, mario's and to a certain extent bowser's movesets all have things they share with other character
again you're not looking at the whole roster. what did robin have that separated them from other FE characters? whatever it was isn't in smash. same for inceneroar, not the only starter, not the only wrestler, not the only dark fire type the only unique thing he had was darkest lariat. in fact this whole scenario applies to isabelle as well, she had nothing unique from any of the other AC characters and everything she does that isn't shared with the villager is still stuff that the villager, or any AC character, could have used. palutena's moveset is stuff that pit uses. sonic's moveset is largely based on his spin dash a move many characters share. sora's moves can be used by many a KH protag. it goes on sharing a moveset with someone else does not matter.
that's not true. as gengar keeps point out toad has been shown to be fast and strong at different points. his has the ability to summon spores. and as i said before there are characters on the roster this applies to. robin's moves aren't their alone, nor issabelle's nor palutena. the roster disproves this line of thinking
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You could even borrow an idea from Pokémon for Toad’s spore mechanic in Effect Spore (with a new name, of course). This could function similarly to a counter, but rather than dealing damage it could inflict a random status effect on the opponent like poison, sleep, or stun.
You can't just say a game does not matter and not give a reason why. If you can point any character in Smash that only had skins and textures or any kind of appearance in another series before they appeared in Smash, then maybe you'd be on to something. But at this point, that hasn't happened yet. In fact, somebody (I forgot who it was) said that if you want Dante in Smash, wait until his game is released on a Nintendo console first. Keep in mind, Dante himself had already appeared on Nintendo consoles through the Project X Zone games, yet this person was saying until his game was released. Surely, his game was released and what happened after that? Representation in Smash Ultimate.
You can't say this for sure. The fact that Sakurai mentioned a character's appearance on a Nintendo console prior to appearing Smash shows that it is indeed an important thing to him, otherwise, he wouldn't have brought it up at all or would have just straight up said it wouldn't have mattered. Just because Smash doesn't feature any content from those games doesn't mean it's not important.
You're not telling me anything important here. All you're saying that it's licensed and therefore, it's not minor but that's not the way it works. It still depends how they're actually presented in the game. Look at Terry and all the SNK content he comes with, then look at Cuphead, then look at River City. All of these are licensed work but that doesn't mean none of them are minor. One has much less than the others.
Well, your "data" was completely irrelevant, so if I dismissed it, then that was why. I wasn't talking about the development. What I was talking was if the game had been a 2017 Switch title like the other two games I mentioned and that should have been easily understandable based on what was already shown in Smash. It didn't require any kind of deep research or info digging. But rather than just leaving at that, it felt almost like you were trying to use that to challenge me on a subject I wasn't talking about to show off your "logic" and "evidence" (which is more like fancy guess work). I just find that very strange and totally unnecessary.
