Official Next Smash - Speculation & Discussion Thread

[dream1ng]

I am not denying he has some, or a lot against him, but anything is up to interpretation, including those factors. But that is not important here.

But the conclusion of your interpretation seems to be that "people are exaggerating the case against him" because "he's not impossible", which... isn't a cogent argument because no one has denied he's possible, but that doesn't address the actual points working against him.

I just don't think Geno should be given a zero percent chance just because of the factors against him.

You still don't seem to grasp that no one here is doing this.

By the way, are you trying to put words in my mouth? I am pretty sure I never said he was likely to begin with, just saying he has some, if small, things going for him, and by small, yes, they are limited, but have a considerable size in my opinion. That does not mean Geno has a bigger chance.

Your whole argument is about how you feel his chances are being underrated. You keep saying points against him are being exaggerated. But if the current general assessment was Opossum's post, which preceded your disagreement, I agree with that being a fair measure of his standing.

So we seem to differ on our assessment of his likelihood, even though you continue to conflate it with being deemed impossible, given you just said people are giving him a zero percent chance, which no one is.

Plus, I am not overlooking anything, as I wasn't using an old game, third party, etc. as a counter. In fact, I was just stating, nothing more.

No, but your counter to those concrete points are "but he's not impossible", which doesn't actually address them at all.

I never said Geno has a big chance. Plus, how does saying anything is possible hurt the more expected ones? Sounds like an excuse to criticize any character with lower chances if you ask me. Plus, with anything being possible still being true, I doubt the more expected ones, especially if they are likely to begin with, would have their chances hurt.

Because if inclusions weren't unpredictable, then expecting the predictable choices would always be the play, and people would basically always be right to expect them. But because inclusions are unpredictable, it gives less assurance to the predictable choices.

But just because inclusions are unpredictable, doesn't mean every less expected choice is well-reasoned. Especially on the basis of being an unexpected choice. It goes one way but not the other.

 

[SuperSonicFlyer]

But the conclusion of your interpretation seems to be that "people are exaggerating the case against him" because "he's not impossible", which... isn't a cogent argument because no one has denied he's possible, but that doesn't address the actual points working against him.


You still don't seem to grasp that no one here is doing this.


Your whole argument is about how you feel his chances are being underrated. You keep saying points against him are being exaggerated. But if the current general assessment was Opossum's post, which preceded your disagreement, I agree with that being a fair measure of his standing.

So we seem to differ on our assessment of his likelihood, even though you continue to conflate it with being deemed impossible, given you just said people are giving him a zero percent chance, which no one is.


No, but your counter to those concrete points are "but he's not impossible", which doesn't actually address them at all.


Because if inclusions weren't unpredictable, then expecting the predictable choices would always be the play, and people would basically always be right to expect them. But because inclusions are unpredictable, it gives less assurance to the predictable choices.

But just because inclusions are unpredictable, doesn't mean every less expected choice is well-reasoned. Especially on the basis of being an unexpected choice. It goes one way but not the other.

1st, I said I wasn't countering anything, and I was never saying his chances were underrated. I just thought the factors against him were underrated. You read wrong.

And I do grasp that no none here was doing the zero percent chance thing, but that was hardly what mattered to begin with. It was as important as a speck of dust here.

And I was never saying he was not impossible to prove a point, I was just saying for the sake of saying. I never was planning to use that to argue. Just a reminder.

Because if inclusions weren't unpredictable, then expecting the predictable choices would always be the play, and people would basically always be right to expect them. But because inclusions are unpredictable, it gives less assurance to the predictable choices.

I am sorry, but I never said one thing about predictability. I am sure of that. I only talked about surprises. I was not even thinking about how predictable things would be, I may have said something indirectly, but that was never an issue or big enough thing for me to talk about. In fact, if anything, I was trying to stick with the unexpected part rather than saying things were predictable. Just because they are not impossible does not mean they are certain.

Look, at this rate, you are just putting words in my mouth, and sorry, but you clearly don't seem to understand my intentions here. Just drop it and let us move on, okay? No more pointing out things or arguing, for I was not even making my initial post to argue. Not that I thought my opinions were fact, for they were not, but causing an argument, no matter who wanted to respond, was not the plan.

 

[fogbadge]

say did i ever ask you guys what ATs you guys would give to the dlc characters? can't remember if i did or not

 

[Pink Yoshi]

So uhhh...

Are there any music tracks you wanna see make it into the next Smash that weren't in Ultimate?

If Snake returns, here's hoping we get "Rules of Nature". Would be perfect for a Viridi trailer featuring Snake, too

 

[SuperSonicFlyer]

So uhhh...

Are there any music tracks you wanna see make it into the next Smash that weren't in Ultimate?

If Snake returns, here's hoping we get "Rules of Nature". Would be perfect for a Viridi trailer featuring Snake, too

Not much familiar with that tune, but I can already say "Heck yeah!" to the idea, with the tune, a possible trailer and everything.

 

[dream1ng]

1st, I said I wasn't countering anything, and I was never saying his chances were underrated. I just thought the factors against him were underrated. You read wrong.

But if you're disagreeing the with assessment, you either have to raise points which counter the argument, or discredit the existing points.

The crux of what you've said about Geno is that the points are exaggerated and that he's not impossible. The former means nothing without backing, and the latter isn't being contested.

And no, if you thought factors against him were underrated, then he'd have an even worse shot than people are saying he does. You think the factors against him are overrated and carry less merit than are being claimed. You, presumably, think the factors for him are underrated.

And I do grasp that no none here was doing the zero percent chance thing, but that was hardly what mattered to begin with. It was as important as a speck of dust here.

In every single post you've argued that he isn't impossible. Every single post.

And I was never saying he was not impossible to prove a point, I was just saying for the sake of saying. I never was planning to use that to argue. Just a reminder.

"Saying for the sake of saying"?

That's one way to walk back a central point of all of your previous posts.

I am sorry, but I never said one thing about predictability. I am sure of that. I only talked about surprises. I was not even thinking about how predictable things would be, I may have said something indirectly, but that was never an issue or big enough thing for me to talk about. In fact, if anything, I was trying to stick with the unexpected part rather than saying things were predictable.

You just asked how expected choices were hurt by anything being possible... the expected choices are among the ones being commonly predicted. I refuse to believe you need the exact same word to be used to be able to extrapolate the point.

Just because they are not impossible does not mean they are certain.

You gotta stop dealing in absolutes. There is a huge middle ground between impossible and certain and no one has even implied Geno is either.

People are just saying he's got a lot against him, which makes his case more unfavorable than with which you seem to concur.

Look, at this rate, you are just putting words in my mouth, and sorry, but you clearly don't seem to understand my intentions here. Just drop it and let us move on, okay? No more pointing out things or arguing, for I was not even making my initial post to argue. Not that I thought my opinions were fact, for they were not, but causing an argument, no matter who wanted to respond, was not the plan.

If I've misinterpreted your point, can you elucidate your stance? I agree we're getting in the weeds here and spending too much time on he said she said rather than directly addressing Geno.

 

[SuperSonicFlyer]

But if you're disagreeing the with assessment, you either have to raise points which counter the argument, or discredit the existing points.

The crux of what you've said about Geno is that the points are exaggerated and that he's not impossible. The former means nothing without backing, and the latter isn't being contested.

And no, if you thought factors against him were underrated, then he'd have an even worse shot than people are saying he does. You think the factors against him are overrated and carry less merit than are being claimed. You, presumably, think the factors for him are underrated.


In every single post you've argued that he isn't impossible. Every single post.


"Saying for the sake of saying"?

That's one way to walk back a central point of all of your previous posts.


You just asked how expected choices were hurt by anything being possible... the expected choices are among the ones being commonly predicted. I refuse to believe you need the exact same word to be used to be able to extrapolate the point.


You gotta stop dealing in absolutes. There is a huge middle ground between impossible and certain and no one has even implied Geno is either.

People are just saying he's got a lot against him, which makes his case more unfavorable than with which you seem to concur.


If I've misinterpreted your point, can you elucidate your stance? I agree we're getting in the weeds here and spending too much time on he said she said rather than directly addressing Geno.

Just let it go. You are not gaining anything here. I never said there was a middle ground, I may have said some possible things against him, but I never said anything about even one of the factors against him. I wasn't trying to prove anything for Geno. I was just trying to defend his fans, even if it was unnecessary here. Points to counter the argument, or try to discredit the existing argument? I was never trying to do that. And I said the factors for him were overrated, and I did mention, if not until now, that they were overrated by a little bit, nothing significant. This was never intended to be a debate or argument.

Now stop. There is nothing to gain from this anyway.

 

[Diddy Kong]

I meant characters who also don't have a starring role, but are also popular. Question is, how many of them are there? I can't imagine there are many now that you put it that way.

Dixie Kong, Impa, BotW Champions, the house leaders of Three Houses in a way (main characters in their own route), Bandana Dee, Tom Nook, Raven Beak, that's quite some already.

 

[SuperSonicFlyer]

Dixie Kong, Impa, BotW Champions, the house leaders of Three Houses in a way (main characters in their own route), Bandana Dee, Tom Nook, Raven Beak, that's quite some already.

Oh, thanks for telling me that. What about third parties, though?

 

[dream1ng]

Just let it go. You are not gaining anything here. I never said there was a middle ground, I may have said some possible things against him, but I never said anything about even one of the factors against him. I wasn't trying to prove anything for Geno. I was just trying to defend his fans, even if it was unnecessary here. Points to counter the argument, or try to discredit the existing argument? I was never trying to do that. And I said the factors for him were overrated, and I did mention, if not until now, that they were overrated by a little bit, nothing significant. This was never intended to be a debate or argument.

Now stop. There is nothing to gain from this anyway.

I don't think we're going to progress any further, but if someone is misinterpreting you as often as you claim I am, it might help to actually reclarify your point instead of just saying "I didn't say this, I didn't say that, I didn't say this either".

I mean I did ask for you to elucidate your stance if I was getting it wrong. There's only so much that can be said when the brunt of your response is denying having said things. I would like to be on the same page too. But I guess we're done.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Oh, thanks for telling me that. What about third parties, though?

Knuckles? Tails? Chun Li is another one that's often named, maybe even Tifa or Barret from FF7. Don't have too much knowledge about other series honestly.

 

[SuperSonicFlyer]

Just to be clear to everyone, I was not trying to discredit anyone. I might have gone off track on this, but I was trying to defend Geno fans, not Geno's chances. And I said I felt that Geno's things against him were overrated, but just slightly (2% ti 0.001%, to be exact) Not that anyone was bullying any Geno fans here, but it was something I felt I needed to get off my back. I also felt that some of the things against him should not be used to bash fans of Geno, or fans of any video game character, Think of it as a friendly reminder rather than an attempt to scold anyone. Again, I was never defending Geno.

I am well aware of the things against him, and despite the overrated part, I have nothing against that. I do think Sakurai could surprise us with Geno being playable in the future, but so far, the chances are slim, as a lot would say, since his chances have pretty much passed. I may have been defending Geno fans, but I assure you all that I am not like them in many ways. I just felt I needed to say something, and I did not plan to discredit everything against Geno.

 

[dream1ng]

Knuckles? Tails? Chun Li is another one that's often named, maybe even Tifa or Barret from FF7. Don't have too much knowledge about other series honestly.

You will run into trouble using those characters as parallels to someone in Geno's situation, though.
(as was the basis of the original question)

 

[Wonder Smash]

So uhhh...

Are there any music tracks you wanna see make it into the next Smash that weren't in Ultimate?

If Snake returns, here's hoping we get "Rules of Nature". Would be perfect for a Viridi trailer featuring Snake, too

I was just recently thinking about this again too.

I would like to see Confront from Super Scope 6 make it into Smash.

Maybe also ESAKA from King of Fighters 94.

 

[SuperSonicFlyer]

Knuckles? Tails? Chun Li is another one that's often named, maybe even Tifa or Barret from FF7. Don't have too much knowledge about other series honestly.

I can accept those characters as answers, actually. No need to mention anyone else.

 

[Diddy Kong]

Another thing about Geno I haven't heard anyone about so far is the potential of Square being brought by Sony, thus making literally every Square owned character including those already in Smash impossible.

He's already not a frontrunner within Mario and Square characters, but this would absolutely destroy all chances.

To be on my upmost optimistic, I do think there's a strong chance if there's a SMRPG remake, and with Paper Mario doing its own thing and not being much of a RPG anymore, and Mario & Luigi RPG being dead, there's a niche to be filled here. Why not start over with the one game that started this Mario sub genre ?

My most optimistic and somewhat more realistic view of how it "could potentially happen maybe" is that the Mii Gunner costume of Geno gets an upgrade of sorts. And gives it Geno specific moves, but still is overall a Mii Gunner "clone", but a little more unique. I doubt they'd do this for Geno alone however.

You will run into trouble using those characters as parallels to someone in Geno's situation, though.
(as was the basis of the original question)

All characters I mentioned earlier all have a way stronger case than Geno honestly. I was just answering the question. It more or less proves Geno isn't exactly in a unique position as a popular requested character that's not a main character.

The chances are very slim indeed. He's uniquely challenged , and not comparable to any other character.

The "trouble" I'd get for mentioning these characters would have to come from misunderstanding.

 

[dream1ng]

Another thing about Geno I haven't heard anyone about so far is the potential of Square being brought by Sony, thus making literally every Square owned character including those already in Smash impossible.

He's already not a frontrunner within Mario and Square characters, but this would absolutely destroy all chances.

To be on my upmost optimistic, I do think there's a strong chance if there's a SMRPG remake, and with Paper Mario doing its own thing and not being much of a RPG anymore, and Mario & Luigi RPG being dead, there's a niche to be filled here. Why not start over with the one game that started this Mario sub genre ?

My most optimistic and somewhat more realistic view of how it "could potentially happen maybe" is that the Mii Gunner costume of Geno gets an upgrade of sorts. And gives it Geno specific moves, but still is overall a Mii Gunner "clone", but a little more unique. I doubt they'd do this for Geno alone however.

Honestly I'm pretty pessimistic that we make it to the next Smash without one of the current third-parties being gobbled up.

Fortunately, it depends who buys them. If it's someone like Microsoft, chances are still probably good they could return. If it's Tencent, I doubt anything would change, tbh. But if it's Sony, then yeah, rip to those characters.

Just one reason Ultimate will likely never be topped in terms of what it accomplished roster-wise.

 

[SuperSonicFlyer]

Honestly I'm pretty pessimistic that we make it to the next Smash without one of the current third-parties being gobbled up.

Fortunately, it depends who buys them. If it's someone like Microsoft, chances are still probably good they could return. If it's Tencent, I doubt anything would change, tbh. But if it's Sony, then yeah, rip to those characters.

Just one reason Ultimate will likely never be topped in terms of what it accomplished roster-wise.

So, Square Enix is a Japanese company, right? Compared to Sony, I have doubts it will be so easy for a company like Microsoft, which is USA if I recall correctly, to buy Square Enix, especially with Japan's government having to get involved.

 

[Wonder Smash]

Another thing about Geno I haven't heard anyone about so far is the potential of Square being brought by Sony, thus making literally every Square owned character including those already in Smash impossible.

He's already not a frontrunner within Mario and Square characters, but this would absolutely destroy all chances.

Well, we really don't know for sure by that point. Square Enix characters could very well stay in Smash.

 

[Diddy Kong]

So, Square Enix is a Japanese company, right? Compared to Sony, I have doubts it will be so easy for a company like Microsoft, which is USA if I recall correctly, to buy Square Enix, especially with Japan's government having to get involved.

Nintendo or Sony acquiring them is way more likely indeed. It's sort of up in the air, the relationship between Nintendo and Square is now better than ever, just about every other RPG on the Switch is made by them and there are Nintendo exclusives now. But Sony has the advantage of being more graphical advanced , and that's a thing Square seems to like for their bigger more ambitious projects as the FF7 remake.

I do kinda hope they stay third party to both, it would benefit them best too I'd think.

 

[dream1ng]

So, Square Enix is a Japanese company, right? Compared to Sony, I have doubts it will be so easy for a company like Microsoft, which is USA if I recall correctly, to buy Square Enix, especially with Japan's government having to get involved.

Sony is probably the likeliest client for these acquisitions, yeah. Which is the worst-case scenario. But it's not off the table a non-Japanese company acquires one either, even if it would be more difficult. Though idk if it'd be Square.

I'm guessing Sony would intercede if someone else tried to buy SE. More so than Sega or Capcom, at least.

 

[SuperSonicFlyer]

Well, we really don't know for sure by that point. Square Enix could very well stay in Smash.

I see that if Sony does buy Square Enix, and decides to let them join Smash, we'd basically have three Sony reps by then. Not saying there can't be room for more, but I would see this as a coincidence, since we would already have Square Enix from before before they became Sony. Am I even using the word coincidence even?

I am just saying because Microsoft now has a lot of IPs, like those from Activision and Bethesda. My point is I can see the above making people think that having more characters from Microsoft or Sony would mean there would be competition between each companies franchises. I can see people think along the lines of "we have too many Sony characters", or think characters could be less likely from either company, depending on which characters, to get in over others.

This probably does not matter, and may not happen, but I could not help but notice.

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

I still maintain some skepticism about Sony buying SE. The motivation might be there, but Sony's big strategy is very much Western focused currently and SE, even as big as it is there with various games (especially stuff like FFXIV) is still very much buoyed up by Japanese sales, especially for more modest titles. And quite frankly Sony has lost so much ground to Nintendo there that Square Enix would be facing an uphill climb becoming Playstation (or even just PS and PC) exclusive. It was one thing circa the PS1/PS2 era when the N64 and Gamecube were getting stomped into the ground in that region. But now?

A Dragon Quest XII that only released on PS5 might give the latter a slight bump in sales, but not putting it out on Switch (or its successor) would financial disaster.

 

[dream1ng]

Nintendo or Sony acquiring them is way more likely indeed. It's sort of up in the air, the relationship between Nintendo and Square is now better than ever, just about every other RPG on the Switch is made by them and there are Nintendo exclusives now. But Sony has the advantage of being more graphical advanced , and that's a thing Square seems to like for their bigger more ambitious projects as the FF7 remake.

I do kinda hope they stay third party to both, it would benefit them best too I'd think.

The biggest detriment is that Nintendo seems to have absolutely no desire to throw their hat in the acquisition ring of anything near the scale of Square. They're pretty isolationist and seem to view third-parties as a worthwhile supplement to their library but ultimately inessential to their success.

For them to get involved, I think they would have to start bleeding through their warchest and get desperate. Which they are in no danger of doing right now.

 

[SuperSonicFlyer]

Speaking of buying or selling things, I have to know about Geno and Super Mario RPG...

Why does Square Enix not sell the characters and things from Super Mario RPG to Nintendo if they don't use them?

I mean, I am in no hurry to see that happen, but there has to be some reason.

 

[dream1ng]

Speaking of buying or selling things, I have to know about Geno and Super Mario RPG...

Why does Square Enix not sell the characters and things from Super Mario RPG to Nintendo if they don't use them?

I mean, I am in no hurry to see that happen, but there has to be some reason.

They probably would if Nintendo wanted them. I don't think Nintendo cares.

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

Square Enix likely isn't inclined to sell anything they own unless there's an interest and/or there's a real financial benefit to doing so.

Given I suspect Nintendo's never actually approached them to buy Mario RPG, SE has no reason to part with them, especially when they can get some small money every time its re-released in some fashion.

 

[SuperSonicFlyer]

Square Enix likely isn't inclined to sell anything they own unless there's an interest and/or there's a real financial benefit to doing so.

Given I suspect Nintendo's never actually approached them to buy Mario RPG, SE has no reason to part with them, especially when they can get some small money every time its re-released in some fashion.

Um, did I say they were inclined? I thought I said I was in no hurry to see that.

They probably would if Nintendo wanted them. I don't think Nintendo cares.

I understand Nintendo may not care. Still, since that was a Mario game that a third party had a hand in making, I am not sure as to why exactly.

 

[dream1ng]

I understand Nintendo may not care. Still, since that was a Mario game that a third party had a hand in making, I am not sure as to why exactly.

Probably because they see very little utility in it. They already don't like using RPG content anywhere but in RPGs. And if SMRPG was owned by Nintendo, it would more easily show up in the back catalogue and Geno would probably be playable, but other than that, there'd probably be little else different.

 

[SuperSonicFlyer]

Probably because they see very little utility in it. They already don't like using RPG content anywhere but in RPGs. And if SMRPG was owned by Nintendo, it would more easily show up in the back catalogue and Geno would probably be playable, but other than that, there'd probably be little else different.

Well, that probably details why they don't care.

Though I must admit, I just realized Nintendo also did not buy Alphadream before it shut down. So if it means anything, there is that.

 

[fogbadge]

So uhhh...

Are there any music tracks you wanna see make it into the next Smash that weren't in Ultimate?

If Snake returns, here's hoping we get "Rules of Nature". Would be perfect for a Viridi trailer featuring Snake, too

there are soooooooo many

let's see, skyward sword should have way more music, koloktas battle, the sky theme, fi's theme, skyloft bgm, all of it. spirit tracks should have it's title theme and the volcanion boss theme, a medley of the lokomo songs, the tower of spirits bgm, staven's theme, the guardian battle from botw, the talus battle, linebeck's theme from phantom hourglass. and let's have some HW remixies while we're at it
the boss battle theme from super mario sunshine. boss battle from wario land 3. all the battle themes from the mario and luigi games, mini boss theme from thousand year door, rougeport as a solo song, in fact most that sound track. the musical numbers from origami king. that music that plays in wario land 4 when you hit the timer. all of treasure trackers theme. luigi's mansion portrait ghost theme and ghost battle and the boss themes. DK 64's boss themes.
pokemon's ultra beast battle, hau battle, barry battle, DP gym leader, GS trainer battle, north wild area theme, xerneas/yvetal battle, colosseum's battle theme, deyoxys battle
kingdom hearts has so many, sora's theme, roxas' theme, sinister sundown, the encounter (original version) risky romp, thirteenth dilemma, dark impetus, dual hearts, forzae finale, dread of night, rage awakens, vector to the heavens, unforgettable, the tumbling, extreme encounters, the deep end, fight and away, anger unchained, skyward striker, titanic clash, eye of the storm, world of electron, no more bugs, dream eaters, flags of fury, nachtflugel

i should stop myself. gruntilda's lair from BK as a separate song, grunty battle, hag1 battle, tower of tragedy, grunty;s furnace fun.

XC3 also has some nice track but i don't know their names yet

ok im done for now


the apple juice song from kirby and chibi-robo's title theme, dinah's theme and go drake redcrest

 

[HyperSomari64]

So uhhh...

Are there any music tracks you wanna see make it into the next Smash that weren't in Ultimate?

If Snake returns, here's hoping we get "Rules of Nature". Would be perfect for a Viridi trailer featuring Snake, too

Spoiler: #FE Final Boss

The Opera of Light - Tokyo Mirage Sessions #FE

The amazing "opera" they've waited so long to sing on magical platforms.

www.youtube.com

Just for the memes.

 

[Ivander]

The biggest detriment is that Nintendo seems to have absolutely no desire to throw their hat in the acquisition ring of anything near the scale of Square. They're pretty isolationist and seem to view third-parties as a worthwhile supplement to their library but ultimately inessential to their success.

They have no desire to get into a buyout race because they know very well it's not about the IPs or company, it's about the people making the games. And having the IPs mean little if they don't have anybody who wants to develop for them.

Remember Sony buying Bungie? There were rumours that Sony paid the developers extra to stay after the buyout, implying that some of the Bungie developers were not happy with the buyout or didn't want to develop for Sony only.

Nintendo knows full well that the developers are the real meat. The developers are the reasoning for why a game or IP is good and having the IP means nothing if the developers aren't okay with developing for Nintendo only. Monolith Soft and Next Level Games are good with developing for Nintendo only. That's why Nintendo bought them. Square does not develop for Nintendo only, so not all of their developers are going to be open to the idea of developing for Nintendo only.

 

[DemifiendEnjoyer]

Im gonna throw this out there, its unrelated to current conversation.

I think it could be a likely possibility for future smash bros. games to include a character representing the Final Fantasy MMO's
A. the current representation for the main series is just 7, so it would make sense to add some content from the other entries
B. It may be in Nintendo's interests to add an MMO rep
C. Final Fantasy 14 has been very successful (barring its rough launch)

 

[fogbadge]

Im gonna throw this out there, its unrelated to current conversation.

I think it could be a likely possibility for future smash bros. games to include a character representing the Final Fantasy MMO's
A. the current representation for the main series is just 7, so it would make sense to add some content from the other entries
B. It may be in Nintendo's interests to add an MMO rep
C. Final Fantasy 14 has been very successful (barring its rough launch)

The way SE do things I’d say the most likely 3rd FF character is tifa or arieth

 

[DemifiendEnjoyer]

The way SE do things I’d say the most likely 3rd FF character is tifa or arieth

I disagree

 

[fogbadge]

I disagree

with the part about them being most likely or how SE does things?

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

A FF MMO character feels like its dependent on demand by the fan base or one of them being active on Nintendo consoles. Given the relative unlikelihood of either, I'm a bit doubtful about it happening. Its not that Smash fans dislike the Final Fantasy MMO titles, its just that there's so many other FF characters (let alone Square Enix ones) that seem like they'll be more heavily requested.

 

[Pink Yoshi]

Not gonna lie an MMO rep would be awesome

Anyway...here's a quirky topic. Remember this thread? Well, I find it a pretty fun discussion honestly. So let's hear your takes on what character fits each word - - at least among the current roster.

Here's a quick update to mine...
Cool - (Her moveset is fantastic fun and I admire her calm, wise and cool-headed attitude)
Troll - (If Choctopus' reactions to her existence is any indication. She's my biggest option if I just wanna get folks tilted)
Obnoxious - (If I hear his "HRROOO" one more time I'm gonna take Bowser and have him suplex this annoying reptile into oblivion)
Cute - (She's wholesome, adorable, friendly, makes delicious food...I want her as a friend in real life!)
Boring - (Blandest of bland avatar characters)
Clumsy - (Self-damage. Need I say more?)
Sexy - Waluigi (Also pretty high on Cute. Combines an adorable mischievous and charming personality with a lovely design)

Spoiler

And just as a bonus, here's what it'd look like with my most wanteds:

Cool - Grima (Do I need to say anything??? He's Ridley jacked up to Size 200)
Troll - Still , but Zeena as a runner-up just by circumstances of her potential inclusion alone
Obnoxious - Still
Cute - Ribbon Girl (The cutest of all Nintendo characters. Fight me)
Boring - Still
Clumsy - Still
Sexy - Zeena (A good amount of her appeal comes from her appealing, charming design)

 

[Swamp Sensei]

I don't even know why people think Square is going to be bought up.

Square isn't doing great but it's not dying in a hole.