Official Next Smash - Speculation & Discussion Thread

[Dinoman96]

That's actually Pokemon, which is in fact the most profitable entertainment brand in the world.

Speaking purely as a video game franchise, I mean. Mario's the top dog in that regard.

List of best-selling video game franchises - Wikipedia

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[RileyXY1]

Speaking purely as a video game franchise, I mean. Mario's the top dog in that regard.

List of best-selling video game franchises - Wikipedia

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Yeah. Most of Pokemon's massive fortune was made through merchandising. And that series is a merchandising juggernaut. It's helped Pokemon be the most represented franchise in Smash Ultimate, with 10 reps, as well as the first series to have more than 5 reps in a Smash game, with it having 6 in Brawl. That was also the first time that a franchise had more than four unique reps in a Smash game.

 

[Diddy Kong]

No way lol. Mario spinoff games don't even include the Mario RPG characters they actually own like Fawful. They hardly even include anyone outside of the mainline platformer cast besides the usual DK, Wario, Waluigi and Daisy.

I think if Nintendo owned Geno, he'd probably gotten a sticker in Brawl and at best, appeared as an assist trophy in that, Smash 4 or Ultimate. But I think that'd be as good as it'd get.

There was the cameo in the very first Mario & Luigi RPG, but it got scrapped in the remake of said game.

Just play that Mii Gunner costume

 

[Gengar84]

I can understand the argument for Wario and Donkey Kong, but does anyone else still consider Yoshi a Mario character? Personally, I feel if the character still makes appearances in mainline Mario games, they are Mario characters, despite also having their own separate series. It would be like saying Luigi isn’t a Mario character because of Luigi’s Mansion. I feel like Wario and Donkey Kong are a bit since they split off from the main series long ago (DK never really appeared in a mainline Mario game besides Odyssey) but they are regularly in spin-offs. I think they can all be considered Mario characters as well as their own separate franchises at the same time personally.

 

[Dinoman96]

There was the cameo in the very first Mario & Luigi RPG, but it got scrapped in the remake of said game.

Just play that Mii Gunner costume

To be fair...Alpha Dream was pretty much in no position to re-negotiate with SE for that Geno cameo, considering that they were literally on death's door when they were crapping out the last few M&L remakes lol

 

[Sucumbio]

I just had a thought. Since we got Advent Children music with the Sephiroth DLC, that means game related music from anime and movies is no longer off limits. Does anyone think there’s any chance we might ever get to hear this in Smash one day?

Pokemon Season 1 Intro HD

The first intro of Pok3mon

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Everytime this song is even remotely referenced my wife and I break out into full stupid loud singing lol it's a great tune.

Like I still maintain that if Geno was really THAT popular on the ballot, they would of attempted to make him playable in Ultimate, I don't think Square-Enix would of said no (they licensed him out for M&L and as a spirit and Mii costume in Smash, I don't think they'd care/mind).
It's just telling to me that, for all of his supposed popularity, three other different SE characters () beat him to the punch across two different games. Make that four if you want to count Sora, despite technically being owned by The Mouse.

Meanwhile you look at Banjo & Kazooie and see how they were literally the first ever Microsoft owned characters in Smash, beating out bigger icons like Minecraft Steve and Master Chief. I think that says it all.

I mean you gotta wonder If Sakurai was pandering to be like aw shucks yeah I wanted him too awww or like damn! I wanted him but evil Nintendo said no! It shows that competition between dev cycles for an actual roster inclusion runs deep. Coveted, really.

All this biblical vernacular ... Geno is.

 

[Dinoman96]

I mean you gotta wonder If Sakurai was pandering to be like aw shucks yeah I wanted him too awww or like damn! I wanted him but evil Nintendo said no! It shows that competition between dev cycles for an actual roster inclusion runs deep. Coveted, really.

All this biblical vernacular ... Geno is.

I think Sakurai's just a guy who plays lots and lots of video games and thus there's probably lots of video game characters he'd like to make playable in Smash...but ultimately doesn't.

 

[Chuderz]

No way lol. Mario spinoff games don't even include the Mario RPG characters they actually own like Fawful. They hardly even include anyone outside of the mainline platformer cast besides the usual DK, Wario, Waluigi and Daisy.

I think if Nintendo owned Geno, he'd probably gotten a sticker in Brawl and at best, appeared as an assist trophy in that, Smash 4 or Ultimate. But I think that'd be as good as it'd get.

There'd at least be some chance for him to get promoted though. Bandana Dee got a massive promotion. There's literally 0% chance he gets anything with the current status quo and that's my primary point.

Also as much as you mockingly called it a "fan bible" or whatever I think you're neglecting Sakurai's own personal bias here. He's definitely aware of the odd yet notable demand for the character to the point where he's commented on it, gave his mii costume a special splash screen and included the Geno avatar in Ultimate. If Sakurai pushes for it my thought is that Nintendo yields but not if they have to spend third-party resource money to acquire his licensing because at that point it's just not worth it when you need that money going to the likes of Cloud, Snake, Sonic and the like.

I don't know how anyone could complain about Mario characters having supposedly too much representation in Smash. Mario should always have the most characters in the game with Pokemon being 2nd in that respect. The biggest glaring issue is that Zelda isn't 3rd.

 

[Gengar84]

There'd at least be some chance for him to get promoted though. Bandana Dee got a massive promotion. There's literally 0% chance he gets anything with the current status quo and that's my primary point.

Also as much as you mockingly called it a "fan bible" or whatever I think you're neglecting Sakurai's own personal bias here. He's definitely aware of the odd yet notable demand for the character to the point where he's commented on it, gave his mii costume a special splash screen and included the Geno avatar in Ultimate. If Sakurai pushes for it my thought is that Nintendo yields but not if they have to spend third-party resource money to acquire his licensing because at that point it's just not worth it when you need that money going to the likes of Cloud, Snake, Sonic and the like.

I don't know how anyone could complain about Mario characters having supposedly too much representation in Smash. Mario should always have the most characters in the game with Pokemon being 2nd in that respect. The biggest glaring issue is that Zelda isn't 3rd.

Yeah, it’s ridiculous to me that we haven’t had a unique Zelda newcomer since Melee, and even then, Ganondorf was just a clone of Captain Falcon. There are so many great potential characters and I don’t understand why Smash has neglected them for so long.

 

[RileyXY1]

Yeah, it’s ridiculous to me that we haven’t had a unique Zelda newcomer since Melee, and even then, Ganondorf was just a clone of Captain Falcon. There are so many great potential characters and I don’t understand why Smash has neglected them for so long.

I think that Sakurai doesn't think that the Zelda cast have any staying power outside of the Triforce holders. Sheik was grandfathered in due to being introduced as a transformation of Zelda herself, and they've never added any other one-shot characters.

 

[Gengar84]

I think that Sakurai doesn't think that the Zelda cast have any staying power outside of the Triforce holders. Sheik was grandfathered in due to being introduced as a transformation of Zelda herself, and they've never added any other one-shot characters.

I think Hyrule Warriors has shown that a lot of people still care about those one-off Zelda characters. I never understood that as an argument against a character’s inclusion. As long as they were fun and memorable, who cares if they were one-off?

 

[Sucumbio]

I think Sakurai's just a guy who plays lots and lots of video games and thus there's probably lots of video game characters he'd like to make playable in Smash...but ultimately doesn't.

Would you be in favor of a new smash ballot?

 

[Dinoman96]

Would you be in favor of a new smash ballot?

I guess it'd be neat, but I don't expect it ever.

I know Master Chief, Crash, Waluigi, etc would probably be made playable as the result of it lol

 

[Gengar84]

My favorites are mostly smaller characters (at least among Smash speculation) so another Smash Ballot would basically guarantee that none of them make it in (not that they are very likely to begin with). Either way, I’m sure I’ll be able to enjoy whoever they decide to add even if they aren’t who I was personally hoping for.

 

[Chuderz]

I can understand the argument for Wario and Donkey Kong, but does anyone else still consider Yoshi a Mario character? Personally, I feel if the character still makes appearances in mainline Mario games, they are Mario characters, despite also having their own separate series. It would be like saying Luigi isn’t a Mario character because of Luigi’s Mansion. I feel like Wario and Donkey Kong are a bit since they split off from the main series long ago (DK never really appeared in a mainline Mario game besides Odyssey) but they are regularly in spin-offs. I think they can all be considered Mario characters as well as their own separate franchises at the same time personally.

I feel like out of the 3 Mario-adjacent series that Yoshi barely qualifies but still ultimately does. He's struck out enough on his own to stand on his own 2 legs and is beloved enough on his own like Donkey Kong and Wario to pull it off. Honestly I think Luigi could kind of pull it off too and if the Luigi's Mansion series was a thing during the N64 era it might have went down like that. It'd be kind of cool because it could justify E.Gadd and King Boo further but the latter would already fit in fine with the Mario series if they wanted him and I guess (though to a much lesser extent) the former as well.

As far as Zelda reps are concerned there's just a lot to do. I've said this repeatedly but what they have is already needing help with Ganondorf's condition being the absolute worst of any 1st-party rep in the game. Each of the Link's are perfectly capable of being unique as well with one of them (preferably Young Link) inheriting the classic moveset since it both suits him better and he plays it better. As far as one-off characters are concerned it'd just be nice to have them represent the mainline games not currently represented by the current cast. Skull Kid for Majora's Mask, Midna for Twilight Princess, Ghirahim for Skyword Sword and Impa for an all-encompassing character. Beyond even that the 4 champions are the perfect candidates for representing the friendly Zelda races. I know it's a lot I've just thrown down but you can easily justify them. All 3 of the one-off characters I've recommended have AT models in the game currently that'd just need to be upgraded in order to get started on though Midna would need Wolf-Link too. Maybe they could also pull the Wolf-Link model from BOTW? Just a thought.

If they did another Smash ballot I think it'd be after they'd already announced Smash 6. It could help them somewhat with making decisions for the DLC of that game.

 

[chocolatejr9]

My favorites are mostly smaller characters (at least among Smash speculation) so another Smash Ballot would basically guarantee that none of them make it in (not that they are very likely to begin with). Either way, I’m sure I’ll be able to enjoy whoever they decide to add even if they aren’t who I was personally hoping for.

True, but it would let Nintendo know at least ONE person wants them. My headcanon is that the Ballot didn't JUST determine Fighters...

 

[Gengar84]

I feel like out of the 3 Mario-adjacent series that Yoshi barely qualifies but still ultimately does. He's struck out enough on his own to stand on his own 2 legs and is beloved enough on his own like Donkey Kong and Wario to pull it off. Honestly I think Luigi could kind of pull it off too and if the Luigi's Mansion series was a thing during the N64 era it might have went down like that. It'd be kind of cool because it could justify E.Gadd and King Boo further but the latter would already fit in fine with the Mario series if they wanted him and I guess (though to a much lesser extent) the former as well.

As far as Zelda reps are concerned there's just a lot to do. I've said this repeatedly but what they have is already needing help with Ganondorf's condition being the absolute worst of any 1st-party rep in the game. Each of the Link's are perfectly capable of being unique as well with one of them (preferably Young Link) inheriting the classic moveset since it both suits him better and he plays it better. As far as one-off characters are concerned it'd just be nice to have them represent the mainline games not currently represented by the current cast. Skull Kid for Majora's Mask, Midna for Twilight Princess, Ghirahim for Skyword Sword and Impa for an all-encompassing character. Beyond even that the 4 champions are the perfect candidates for representing the friendly Zelda races. I know it's a lot I've just thrown down but you can easily justify them. 3/4 of the one-off characters I've recommended have AT models in the game currently that'd just need to be upgraded in order to get started on though Midna would need Wolf-Link too. Maybe they could also pull the Wolf-Link model from BOTW? Just a thought.

If they did another Smash ballot I think it'd be after they'd already announced Smash 6. It could help them somewhat with making decisions for the DLC of that game.

Yeah, I think what I was trying to say (but poorly) was that a character can be both part of the Mario series as well as their own separate franchise at the same time. I feel like too many people say it has to be one or the other. Many argue that they aren’t Mario characters because they all have their own series. I think that regularly showing up in every Mario spinoff means that they are both Mario characters as well as their own separate series (if that makes any sense lol).

Here’s a related question: If Mario spin-offs don’t qualify making Wario, Yoshi, and Donkey Kong as also being Mario characters, what does that make Waluigi? He’s never appeared in anything other than Mario spin-offs but I think he’s still considered a Mario character.

 

[Dinoman96]

True, but it would let Nintendo know at least ONE person wants them. My headcanon is that the Ballot didn't JUST determine Fighters...

I don't think that's really a headcanon. NPC characters like Krystal, Isaac (who got his AT back from Brawl after Smash 4 dumped it), Shovel Knight, Shantae, etc were all obviously from the ballot, even if they weren't made playable.

 

[Geno Boost]

Like I still maintain that if Geno was really THAT popular on the ballot, they would of attempted to make him playable in Ultimate, I don't think Square-Enix would of said no (they licensed him out for M&L and as a spirit and Mii costume in Smash, I don't think they'd care/mind).
It's just telling to me that, for all of his supposed popularity, three other different SE characters () beat him to the punch across two different games. Make that four if you want to count Sora, despite technically being owned by The Mouse.

Meanwhile you look at Banjo & Kazooie and see how they were literally the first ever Microsoft owned characters in Smash, beating out bigger icons like Minecraft Steve and Master Chief. I think that says it all.

I think the issue might be Square-Enix not being aware of the demand and it’s a barrier we are trying to break from Square-Enix I say that as SMRPG fans do want to have Geno and Mallow in more games and not just smash yet smash is the closest game to make it a reality and we getting close to it 3 square-enix reps got in which gives better chance for Geno to be next if they all return.
The difference between Banjo and Geno is that Microsoft are aware of the fan demand while Square-enix are out of touch.

 

[Chuderz]

Yeah, I think what I was trying to say (but poorly) was that a character can be both part of the Mario series as well as their own separate franchise at the same time. I feel like too many people say it has to be one or the other. Many argue that they aren’t Mario characters because they all have their own series. I think that regularly showing up in every Mario spinoff means that they are both Mario characters as well as their own separate series (if that makes any sense lol).

Here’s a related question: If Mario spin-offs don’t qualify making Wario, Yoshi, and Donkey Kong as also being Mario characters, what does that make Waluigi? He’s never appeared in anything other than Mario spin-offs but I think he’s still considered a Mario character.

I too feel like the Mario-adjacent series are essentially glorified Mario characters and wouldn't be pedantic enough to claim otherwise.

However I feel like if Wario ever gets someone from his WarioWare crew in the game that'd be an exception to counting as a Mario character. Otherwise yeah all the other characters and their respective reps count as Mario characters though K.Rool barely counts only appearing in one of the Baseball games from what I recall. They didn't even have the decency to put Diddy in this Mario Kart 8 vanilla or DX and wasn't Super Mario Party the first-ever Mario Party where he was finally made a playable character?

Oh well he definitely counts but I feel if we delve deeper into the Donkey Kong series for more reps they won't count based on our certain criteria. This could of course be easily remedied by putting them into the Mario spin-offs here and there to get them integrated into the brand but it's also completely arbitrary how anybody counts the Mario-adjacent series reps and ultimately doesn't really matter.

 

[Gengar84]

Not that I’m really complaining (I’d be fine with Geno) but what makes Geno more important than Crono? Chrono Trigger is one of the most beloved games of all time and is from the same era as Super Mario RPG and doesn’t seem to get the same level of fan demand.

 

[fogbadge]

I think the issue might be Square-Enix not being aware of the demand and it’s a barrier we are trying to break from Square-Enix I say that as SMRPG fans do want to have Geno and Mallow in more games and not just smash yet smash is the closest game to make it a reality and we getting close to it 3 square-enix reps got in which gives better chance for Geno to be next if they all return.
The difference between Banjo and Geno is that Microsoft are aware of the fan demand while Square-enix are out of touch.

or perhaps the love for B&K is greater?

 

[chocolatejr9]

I don't think that's really a headcanon. NPC characters like Krystal, Isaac (who got his AT back from Brawl after Smash 4 dumped it), Shovel Knight, Shantae, etc were all obviously from the ballot, even if they weren't made playable.

True. I was just calling it that because I don't remember Sakurai personally confirming that (except maybe Shantae, he DID acknowledge her popularity).

 

[Geno Boost]

Not that I’m really complaining (I’d be fine with Geno) but what makes Geno more important than Crono? Chrono Trigger is one of the most beloved games of all time and is from the same era as Super Mario RPG and doesn’t seem to get the same level of fan demand.

I think the reason behind it that Chrono Trigger fans wants remake more than Crono in smash
Also the fact that Crono is also anime swordsmen which some smash fans are tired of them

or perhaps the love for B&K is greater?

its probably due to Phil Spencer tweet that was the biggest wake up call for Banjo fans during the ballot Geno could have probably gotten way more votes if it’s parent company spoke out regarding this but we know Geno have already gotten so much votes even without a wake up call from Square-Enix which explains how we even got the Mii costume in the first place.

 

[fogbadge]

I think the reason behind it that Chrono Trigger fans wants remake more than Crono in smash
Also the fact that Crono is also anime swordsmen which some smash fans are tired of them

its probably due to Phil Spencer tweet that was the biggest wake up call for Banjo fans during the ballot Geno could have probably gotten way more votes if it’s parent company spoke out regarding this but we know Geno have already gotten so much votes even without a wake up call from Square-Enix which explains how we even got the Mii costume in the first place.

I meant in general not just smash

 

[SPEN18]

NPC characters like Krystal, Isaac (who got his AT back from Brawl after Smash 4 dumped it), Shovel Knight, Shantae, etc were all obviously from the ballot, even if they weren't made playable.

Right, it is very unlikely that these would have been added as new or returning ATs without the ballot support (except maybe Krystal). The indies have really faded since the ballot days, but I hope in the case of Isaac and, to a lesser extent, Krystal that this is an indication that they would have been serious candidates with a more standard amount of newcomers, and will remain serious candidates going forward.

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"The problem is just Square" in my estimation is just imagined by Geno fans to be the primary reason for his exclusion. Any resolutions of possible issues with Square would not change that Geno is simply not a very notable character.

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Other quick hits:

What do we think about Ghirahim possibly returning in some future game, even maybe BotW2 given the Skyward Sword connections? I don't necessarily think it's likely but I'm willing to be convinced. Maybe that could juice up his Smash chances.
As another out-there thought that ties back to the FE reveals in 4, I remember Ghirahim also getting some hate for being "just another sword user" when he was a pretty highly speculated Zelda newcomer for 4. More evidence for anime swordsman hate having roots as early as the base 4 cycle.

Since WarioWare was sort of tangentially brought up: another thing that bothers me about Ashley is that she's not in the debut game Mega Microgames. If we had to get another Wario rep, I'd actually prefer other candidates besides her.

 

[Gengar84]

I think the reason behind it that Chrono Trigger fans wants remake more than Crono in smash
Also the fact that Crono is also anime swordsmen which some smash fans are tired of them

its probably due to Phil Spencer tweet that was the biggest wake up call for Banjo fans during the ballot Geno could have probably gotten way more votes if it’s parent company spoke out regarding this but we know Geno have already gotten so much votes even without a wake up call from Square-Enix which explains how we even got the Mii costume in the first place.

I can understand that. I agree that Crono by himself isn’t terribly interesting. That’s why I’ve always been a big supporter of Magus, who is one of my favorite game characters ever and can also represent Chrono Cross with a Guile alt. I also love Frog and Ayla but they’re even more random choices than Magus. Crono could still be really unique if his moveset was based around dual techs with his other party members though.

 

[Ivander]

I kinda wonder if Sakurai learned his lesson about keeping his mouth shut regarding potential characters after that 2016 interview.

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Behold, the holy bible of the Geno fandom.

Like I know he mentions wanting Geno in Brawl, but that being said, didn't Sakurai mention Geno as early as before Brawl's release? I thought there was some sort of Sakurai's notes thing during Brawl where he mentioned certain characters a number of times and Geno was mentioned 5 times alongside King Dedede. Wasn't that where some of the support originally came from?

 

[Geno Boost]

I meant in general not just smash

That’s harder to answer because both Banjo and Geno can be regarded as obscure characters to most gamers

 

[Dinoman96]

Like I know he mentions wanting Geno in Brawl, but that being said, didn't Sakurai mention Geno as early as before Brawl's release? I thought there was some sort of Sakurai's notes thing during Brawl where he mentioned certain characters a number of times and Geno was mentioned 5 times alongside King Dedede. Wasn't that where some of the support originally came from?

You mean this...

Official - DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

Just saw the MH presentation. Gotta be honest, if a Hunter ever makes it in, Wyvern Riding would be an amazing Final Smash.

smashboards.com

Guess I'll just repost this for fun:

King Dedede(5) -CONFIRMED
Diddy Kong(4) - CONFIRMED
Geno(4) – Mii outfit
Ike(4) - CONFIRMED
Ridley(4) - CONFIRMED
Captain Olimar & Pikmin(3) - CONFIRMED
Krystal(3) – Assist Trophy
Takamaru(3) – Assist Trophy
Windwaker Link(3) - CONFIRMED
Animal Crossing MC(2) - CONFIRMED
Claus(2) – Spirit
DeMille(2) - Spirit
Isaac(2) – Assist Trophy
Jeff(2) – Assist Trophy
Kawasima(2) – Assist Trophy
King K.Rool(2) - CONFIRMED
Lip(2) – Mii outfit
Lucas(2) -CONFIRMED
Mega Man(2) - CONFIRMED
Oguma(2)
Ouendan(2) - Spirit
Sukapon(2) – Assist Trophy

About 10 characters on this list made it to playable status:


About six characters on this list (Krystal, Takamaru, Isaac, Jeff, Kawashima, and Sukapon) made it to assist trophy status.

About two characters (Geno and Lip) made it to Mii outfit status.

About three characters (Ouendan, DeMille, and Claus) made it to spirit status.

Leaving only Ogma here as the one and only character on this poll to be a total non-show in Smash.

 

[fogbadge]

That’s harder to answer because both Banjo and Geno can be regarded as obscure characters to most gamers

b&k aren’t obscure to people with n64s

 

[Ivander]

You mean this...

Official - DLC Speculation Discussion Volume II

Just saw the MH presentation. Gotta be honest, if a Hunter ever makes it in, Wyvern Riding would be an amazing Final Smash.

smashboards.com

Guess I'll just repost this for fun:

King Dedede(5) -CONFIRMED
Diddy Kong(4) - CONFIRMED
Geno(4) – Mii outfit
Ike(4) - CONFIRMED
Ridley(4) - CONFIRMED
Captain Olimar & Pikmin(3) - CONFIRMED
Krystal(3) – Assist Trophy
Takamaru(3) – Assist Trophy
Windwaker Link(3) - CONFIRMED
Animal Crossing MC(2) - CONFIRMED
Claus(2) – Spirit
DeMille(2) - Spirit
Isaac(2) – Assist Trophy
Jeff(2) – Assist Trophy
Kawasima(2) – Assist Trophy
King K.Rool(2) - CONFIRMED
Lip(2) – Mii outfit
Lucas(2) -CONFIRMED
Mega Man(2) - CONFIRMED
Oguma(2)
Ouendan(2) - Spirit
Sukapon(2) – Assist Trophy

About 10 characters on this list made it to playable status:


About six characters on this list (Krystal, Takamaru, Isaac, Jeff, Kawashima, and Sukapon) made it to assist trophy status.

About two characters (Geno and Lip) made it to Mii outfit status.

About three characters (Ouendan, DeMille, and Claus) made it to spirit status.

Leaving only Ogma here as the one and only character on this poll to be a total non-show in Smash.

Yeah that. And that's only for the characters' mentioned multiple times, whereas there were other characters mentioned one time. But anyway, wasn't that where some of the Geno support came from though, even before Sakurai mentioned he wanted Geno after making Geno a Mii Costume?

 

[Geno Boost]

b&k aren’t obscure to people with n64s

If we’re going with that then Banjo Kazooie sold near 2 million while SMRPG sold near 1.5 million so it’s not a big comparison

 

[fogbadge]

If we’re going with that then Banjo Kazooie sold near 2 million while SMRPG sold near 1.5 million so it’s not a big comparison

hmm I wonder how well smrpg would have done if it was international as well

 

[Geno Boost]

hmm I wonder how well smrpg would have done if it was international as well

SNES mini sold more than 5 million worldwide it has SMRPG free to play so you could count that as well

 

[Dinoman96]

If we’re going with that then Banjo Kazooie sold near 2 million while SMRPG sold near 1.5 million so it’s not a big comparison

Banjo's over 3 million. SMRPG's over 2 million.

Nintendo software and hardware sales data from 1983 to present

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Banjo-Kazooie: 3.65 million
Super Mario RPG: 2.14 million

 

[fogbadge]

SNES mini sold more than 5 million worldwide it has SMRPG free to play so you could count that as well

possibly

 

[HyperSomari64]

Famitsu scores - Wikipedia

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Omitting the franchise already represented in Smash, does that means that Nightmare, Kiryu, the three guys from GTA V have a chance?

 

[Gengar84]

I’m curious, I couldn’t really find concrete data anywhere but was Banjo & Kazooie RARE’s highest selling game of their original IP? I’m curious how it stacks up to Killer Instinct, Perfect Dark, and Battletoads.

 

[osby]

Famitsu scores - Wikipedia

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Omitting the franchise already represented in Smash, does that means that Nightmare, Kiryu, the three guys from GTA V have a chance?

Yakuza is one of SEGA's flagship franchises, it wouldn't surprise me to see it getting a fighter in the next Smash.