Official Next Smash - Speculation & Discussion Thread

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

Oh, don't get me wrong. There's absolutely no hatred by Sakurai, Waluigi is a fictional character after all, and what he killed his mother or something to have a vendetta against him lol (he was an assist Trophy all the way from Brawl after all so that makes any speculated 'hatred' even more ridiculous). What was holding Waluigi back is imo the same thing that was holding Toad back and that was that they didn't have unique moveset potential and weren't (at the time at least) popular so there was no reason to consider them. But imo, I have to parrot what I've seen others say but... if ROB can have a moveset made out of him without even being a video game character, if Captain Falcon, Mr. Game & Watch, Duck Hunt etc. can all have movesets made of them which are practically Smash originals, I really don't see how that's a problem for Waluigi.

I mean I can give you Captain Falcon, but ROB had the obvious advantage of being Smash's first robot character, G&W had like 60 Game and Watch titles to pull from for his moves, and Duck Hunt uses a suite of light gun games for his various attacks alongside cooperating with the duck for normals, which were all hooks Sakurai could utilize to envision something.

I feel like Waluigi has plenty of potential and he's probably one of the biggest candidates for the Mario series, but Sakurai just might not see it that way.

 

[SPEN18]

(a lot of Waluigi's involve thorny vines for some reason)

ev...'ry...rose...has its thorns

...something like that

 

[Kirby Dragons]

I mean I can give you Captain Falcon, but ROB had the obvious advantage of being Smash's first robot character, G&W had like 60 Game and Watch titles to pull from for his moves, and Duck Hunt uses a suite of light gun games for his various attacks alongside cooperating with the duck for normals, which were all hooks Sakurai could utilize to envision something.

I feel like Waluigi has plenty of potential and he's probably one of the biggest candidates for the Mario series, but Sakurai just might not see it that way.

Yeah, every character is a different case. I never like when Smash fans point to less conventional characters like Duck Hunt and WFT, and then claim Sakurai can just easily figure out what do with anybody.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

ev...'ry...rose...has its thorns

...something like that

For his neutral special, he performs Dudley's taunt!

 

[dream1ng]

Imo the difficulty in Waluigi's moveset really comes solely from choosing a direction to take it in, not because there's a lack of content to work from.

I understand that given Waluigi is really just spin-off roster fodder, he doesn't have a central genre/sub-series to define him, and thus what he'd do is open-ended. He doesn't intrinsically have an obvious direction, because he doesn't do much that's unique.

However, I don't see that as a particularly big obstacle, because you just simply... pick a direction to go in. The spin-off games give more than enough content, even if you just chose from some of them, like the sports games, or the party games. Or even just Waluigi being a weirdo, swimming through the air and ****. Almost all of that is untapped for Smash, so he will still be unique.

Most people aren't gonna be like "well, Mario can do all of this", they're gonna be like "I wanna play as Waluigi".

So the cohesion depends on how they see it. We have characters with a "kitchen sink" approach, we have characters that only take from one game. As long as it's stuff Waluigi actually does... or would be in-character to do, that's cohesive enough for me.

Overall having "too much" to work with is a much better problem to have than not having enough to work with.

 

[Watuna4343]

I mean I can give you Captain Falcon, but ROB had the obvious advantage of being Smash's first robot character, G&W had like 60 Game and Watch titles to pull from for his moves, and Duck Hunt uses a suite of light gun games for his various attacks alongside cooperating with the duck for normals, which were all hooks Sakurai could utilize to envision something.

I feel like Waluigi has plenty of potential and he's probably one of the biggest candidates for the Mario series, but Sakurai just might not see it that way.

Eh, the point of ROB and Mr. Game & Watch was mostly that I don't see how Waluigi being just from the spin-offs means that a moveset can't be created for him as the former is not even a video game character and Mr. Game & Watch being more of an amalgamation of many different characters rather than an existing character, so in both cases Sakurai had to take far more creative liberites compared to what I imagine he'd have to take not just Waluigi but most other characters. I still think that what was holding Waluigi back is the same thing as Toad which is that even though a moveset can be made out of him, it probably wouldn't be the most unique in the roster and with him being not nearly as popular as today led to Sakurai not bothering with including him (same as Toad basically). But, again, fan demand got Ridley and King K. Rool in - both with far from revolutionary movesets. And with Waluigi's fan demand being the biggest it's ever been and the biggest going into Smash 6, I don't see how a Ridley/King K. Rool situation where fan demand alone carries him through doesn't happen.

 

[HyperSomari64]

if we were talking about idols, then I should bring the "box-office bomb" (not sure what's it's video game equivalent) that was Tokyo Mirage Sessions

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

if we were talking about idols, then I should bring the "box-office bomb" (not sure what's it's video game equivalent) that was Tokyo Mirage Sessions

Tsubasa for Smash. Maybe IS will manage to get a second TMS banner for FEH if that happens?

 

[Louie G.]

Yeah, every character is a different case. I never like when Smash fans point to less conventional characters like Duck Hunt and WFT, and then claim Sakurai can just easily figure out what do with anybody.

I mostly don't like this because it ironically encourages people to be lazy. Like oh, I think they could add this character, I don't really know how they'd work, but Sakurai will figure something out. It doesn't make for engaging speculation and lends more to the idea of characters as "symbols" rather than fighters who all need to provide something compelling and new to gameplay.

As addressed before, ROB is Smash's only traditional (like, beep boop) robot fighter. Wii Fit Trainer fights with yoga poses and frankly, an underdiscussed aspect of this character is her ability to enhance her stats through Sun Salutation and Deep Breathing (the latter which is really unique for its precise timing). Duck Hunt, as we can see on the released slides from the Smash 4 project proposal, was engaging to Sakrurai because of the off-screen gunner.

Bottom line is any character could work... but that means nothing. I think it's fair to say that Sakurai's creativity has gotten over hurdles to make several previously thought unfeasible, yet persistently popular characters playable - Villager, Ridley, etc. I personally think it's silly to assume he can't find a way to make someone like Waluigi cohesive or fun. But if you're gonna throw a character at me and say I should take the request seriously, I would at least like you to be able to tell me what they might do... because otherwise it strikes me like we're just throwing out names and not thinking constructively beyond that.

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

Eh, the point of ROB and Mr. Game & Watch was mostly that I don't see how Waluigi being just from the spin-offs means that a moveset can't be created for him as the former is not even a video game character and Mr. Game & Watch being more of an amalgamation of many different characters rather than an existing character, so in both cases Sakurai had to take far more creative liberites compared to what I imagine he'd have to take not just Waluigi but most other characters. I still think that what was holding Waluigi back is the same thing as Toad which is that even though a moveset can be made out of him, it probably wouldn't be the most unique in the roster and with him being not nearly as popular as today led to Sakurai not bothering with including him (same as Toad basically). But, again, fan demand got Ridley and King K. Rool in - both with far from revolutionary movesets. And with Waluigi's fan demand being the biggest it's ever been and the biggest going into Smash 6, I don't see how a Ridley/King K. Rool situation where fan demand alone carries him through doesn't happen.

I mean Ridley and K. Rool were unequivocally proven to be popular by the Ballot.

Meanwhile I feel like Waluigi on the Ballot would've been negatively affected potentially by the implication that the Ballot was being done to decide the last character in Smash 4. Because if you're told something like that, you'd most likely go for something for a series that doesn't have as much like Metroid and DK or a third party like Castlevania, Banjo, or Sora rather than the third Mario newcomer in one game.

I do agree Waluigi is very popular, not denying that, it just might not be reflected very well in the information Sakurai has, because I doubt online discussion on forums like this really pushes the needle very much.

Alongside that, unlike G&W, ROB, and Duck Hunt, Sakurai also may just not have a really solid hook to get him invested in making a Waluigi moveset, even if he does know how popular Waluigi is.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Also, I think you meant expect Resetti to return as an Assist.

OH NO, A MINOR SPELLING MISTAKE

Now my argument is invalid

 

[Perkilator]

Alternatively, you can probably give Waluigi a (mostly) made-up moveset that doesn’t rely too much on the source material.

 

[GoldenYuiitusin]

I mean Ridley and K. Rool were unequivocally proven to be popular by the Ballot.

Meanwhile I feel like Waluigi on the Ballot would've been negatively affected potentially by the implication that the Ballot was being done to decide the last character in Smash 4. Because if you're told something like that, you'd most likely go for something for a series that doesn't have as much like Metroid and DK or a third party like Castlevania, Banjo, or Sora rather than the third Mario newcomer in one game.

I do agree Waluigi is very popular, not denying that, it just might not be reflected very well in the information Sakurai has, because I doubt online discussion on forums like this really pushes the needle very much.

Alongside that, unlike G&W, ROB, and Duck Hunt, Sakurai also may just not have a really solid hook to get him invested in making a Waluigi moveset, even if he does know how popular Waluigi is.

I will raise a counter in that the Ballot very likely helped Daisy be included as an Echo through a decent showing in spite of being another Mario character. I don't think Waluigi was unpopular of a Ballot pick, just not an obviously overwhelming one like Ridley, K. Rool, or a number of veterans.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

OH NO, A MINOR SPELLING MISTAKE

Now my argument is invalid

When you truy so hard but you don't succeed

 

[Wonder Smash]

Waluigi has made numerous appearances, I just doubt that someone as creative as Sakurai would have problems coming up with a moveset for him. Though, it's not out of the possibility either.

But it would also be nice to see Waluigi appear in either a main Mario game or in a Wario game at this point. It does seem awkward to see the anti-Luigi only just appear in sports spin-off games and never in any adventure games. After that, it'd more interesting to see how his Smash moveset would take from that because he just doesn't come off as a "sports" character.

OH NO, A MINOR SPELLING MISTAKE

Now my argument is invalid

Hey, I said hammer instead of pickaxe.

 

[dream1ng]

I feel like Waluigi has plenty of potential and he's probably one of the biggest candidates for the Mario series, but Sakurai just might not see it that way.

You're not wrong, and I also wouldn't call Waluigi a lock.

However I also feel that Sakurai knows most Smash requests are really just about getting that character included, regardless of their playstyle, and as long as there's something to work with, and the character is feasible, they don't necessarily have to provide something super special moveset-wise every time.

So I feel that even if Sakurai were to judge Waluigi as not offering anything particularly compelling in terms of moveset or status, I don't think he'd view the character as someone he couldn't make something for, and given how much the audience would want that, he would acquiesce despite personal disinterest.

Basically I think, at this point, Sakurai is going to put the fanbase ahead of himself on this one. But yeah, you don't know for sure until it happens.

 

[BrawlX10]

I still think Sakurai is going to pull a Sakurai move and add someone other than Octoling should Splatoon get an original newcomer. Because it's not that Splatoon doesn't have other notable characters, it's just Octoling lends itself to being a character more easily, so it's understandably who people land on.

But I just think Octoling is so derivative of Inkling, if they were to be added, it'd be as a clone/semi-clone, with Sakurai getting more creative for an original character. And, to clarify, no, I'm not saying Octoling is incapable of an original moveset, I just don't think we'd get one from the character.

I think Splatoon getting 2 characters makes perfect sense. Octoling semi-clone and someone else like Marina/Pearl or DJ Octavio, only getting octoling would feel a bit underwelming to me.

 

[Louie G.]

It does seem awkward to see the anti-Luigi only just appear in sports spin-off games and never in any adventure games.

I think there's space for Waluigi in an eventual Wario Land revival or something, but his absence from Warioware can probably be chalked up to it being mostly a Ko Takeuchi joint (Wario is the ONLY Mario character addressed in this universe, it's honestly tied closer to Rhythm Heaven than anything) and his absence from the mainline title isn't too hard to reason with. I can't think of many instances where he would fit.

After all, Wario really only has his own games going for him outside the occasional golfing or racing expedition. Warioware is the only thing preventing Wario himself from being in exactly Waluigi's boat... Mario games seemingly don't have much interest in utilizing the anti-Bros in any capacity beyond that. Which is a shame because I do think these two would make a spectacular nuisance in an RPG, but for now this is what they've got and that's fine.

I personally don't even need Waluigi to be more than that. Maybe some supplementary material like Mario comics would help these underutilized characters breathe like the way Sonic's IDW run has been doing. I'm sure he's appeared a handful of times in Mario-Kun, which I haven't read much of. But if they don't have a role for Waluigi in any other games then I don't want them to force it.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

I think Splatoon getting 2 characters makes perfect sense. Octoling semi-clone and someone else like Marina/Pearl or DJ Octavio, only getting octoling would feel a bit underwelming to me.

Splatoon getting two characters only makes sense if Octoling is a derivative of Inkling.

If Sakurai goes the route of making them fully unique, then it's harder to argue that Splatoon should get so much dev effort to justify TWO unique fighters. Not saying it can't happen but it would certainly make people think Splatoon's starting to get bloated even if it really isn't...

 

[Watuna4343]

I mean Ridley and K. Rool were unequivocally proven to be popular by the Ballot.

Meanwhile I feel like Waluigi on the Ballot would've been negatively affected potentially by the implication that the Ballot was being done to decide the last character in Smash 4. Because if you're told something like that, you'd most likely go for something for a series that doesn't have as much like Metroid and DK or a third party like Castlevania, Banjo, or Sora rather than the third Mario newcomer in one game.

I do agree Waluigi is very popular, not denying that, it just might not be reflected very well in the information Sakurai has, because I doubt online discussion on forums like this really pushes the needle very much.

Alongside that, unlike G&W, ROB, and Duck Hunt, Sakurai also may just not have a really solid hook to get him invested in making a Waluigi moveset, even if he does know how popular Waluigi is.

Eh, mostly agree on the first half but tbh, again, I don't think Waluigi's popularity and absence from Smash being noted by Nintendo themselves is just a result of forums. And I did say that Sakurai probably didn't find a Waluigi moveset unique enough to go forth with it but again, Ridley and King K. Rool don't have particularly interesting movesets anyway but fan demand pushed them through when it was at its highest point for both, I don't see how the same doesn't happen with Waluigi next time (again, I know that such absolutism is frowned upon but I will absolutely be shocked if Waluigi isn't added into the next game, even with a moveset as 'unique' as Ridley or King K. Rool)

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

Not that market success should necessarily dictate fighter inclusion but given the momentum and status of Splatoon right now, I couldn't really blame them if they did add two more unique fighters. Ideally, they'd be particularly distinct to avoid franchise type fatigue and given the range of weapons with Splatoon, that might very be possible in creative hands.

 

[fogbadge]

Eh just lean into the fact that Waluigi looks like he was made by Tim burton

also yes pack the roster with splatoon characters

 

[Watuna4343]

In regards to Splatoon, I think it goes without saying how big it has become for Nintendo. Like the series getting 2 newcomers in Smash 6 would feel deserved imo at this point. Will it happen? I mean it might. Octoling is another character I consider a lock (I will say, it won't even be a semi-clone though, this is an echo fighter if I've seen one) but a 2nd one might be a Pearl/Marina situation, but it'll depend on how easy they are to make, will they be another Rex for example? Is the Switch 2 that much stronger to handle what Switch couldn't and are Pearl and Marina easier to add then Rex was? And if not them, will DJ Octavio be the one? There are options and I think Pearl/Marina if they can work have a possibility but again, will they work?

 

[TheFirstPoppyBro]

In regards to Splatoon, I think it goes without saying how big it has become for Nintendo. Like the series getting 2 newcomers in Smash 6 would feel deserved imo at this point. Will it happen? I mean it might. Octoling is another character I consider a lock (I will say, it won't even be a semi-clone though, this is an echo fighter if I've seen one) but a 2nd one might be a Pearl/Marina situation, but it'll depend on how easy they are to make, will they be another Rex for example? Is the Switch 2 that much stronger to handle what Switch couldn't and are Pearl and Marina easier to add then Rex was? And if not them, will DJ Octavio be the one? There are options and I think Pearl/Marina if they can work have a possibility but again, will they work?

I mean even if they don't work in a Diddy/Dixie or Rex/Pyra capacity, I feel like you could just easily just make them a transformation character basically.

 

[dream1ng]

I mean Ridley and K. Rool were unequivocally proven to be popular by the Ballot.

Meanwhile I feel like Waluigi on the Ballot would've been negatively affected potentially by the implication that the Ballot was being done to decide the last character in Smash 4. Because if you're told something like that, you'd most likely go for something for a series that doesn't have as much like Metroid and DK or a third party like Castlevania, Banjo, or Sora rather than the third Mario newcomer in one game.

I do agree Waluigi is very popular, not denying that, it just might not be reflected very well in the information Sakurai has, because I doubt online discussion on forums like this really pushes the needle very much.

Alongside that, unlike G&W, ROB, and Duck Hunt, Sakurai also may just not have a really solid hook to get him invested in making a Waluigi moveset, even if he does know how popular Waluigi is.

I will raise a counter in that the Ballot very likely helped Daisy be included as an Echo through a decent showing in spite of being another Mario character. I don't think Waluigi was unpopular of a Ballot pick, just not an obviously overwhelming one like Ridley, K. Rool, or a number of veterans.

I think the basis on which Waluigi likely underperformed on the ballot wasn't because of his series, it was because he was an AT, and the ballot was framed as being for Smash 4... so every character with a somewhat substantial role was likely greatly inhibited in terms of how well they could've done.

I don't think it's any coincidence that characters like K. Rool and Isaac seemed to dominate exit polls (vets and third-parties aside), neither having a big role in Smash 4, leaving the door open for them to be DLC for that game, as people thought.

Of course some characters have so much popularity that they will still put up numbers despite these kind of setbacks, like Ridley. And probably to some extent Waluigi. It's more that they aren't reaching their optimal results, including Waluigi on the ballot. I mean, Waluigi (and to a lesser extent Isaac, and later on Shadow) were basically the only ATs to retain popularity after getting AT'd this time.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Eh just lean into the fact that Waluigi looks like he was made by Tim burton

Does this mean that Waluigi is dead,?

If so, can he take off his head?

To recite Shakespearean quotations?

 

[Louie G.]

My expectation for more than one Splatoon character does hinge on Octoling being a derivative of Inkling rather than a unique character, something that, honestly, I'm more convinced will be the case now than I even was a few months ago. But if the next step are the idols... from some angle, Splatoon is kinda getting three different characters right?

I guess it depends how much the Squid Sisters or Off the Hook would rely on swapping out, assuming changing the leader does provide you with a number of new tools and attacks to play with. But if the idols have any sort of individual agency then we're essentially looking at two characters' worth of work anyway. For clarity, I anticipate they would be something of a middleground between Ice Climbers and the Aegis, being able to swap the leader but being onstage together and still having a number of attacks performed collaboratively.

And Splatoon honestly deserves it too. Melee saw a strong increase in Mario and Zelda content, Brawl saw this for Pokemon and Kirby. If the timing is right, and there are several strong candidates to choose from, I think it's plenty justified. Splatoon stands as one of Nintendo's tentpole IP now and I'm fully convinced that one unique fighter and a clone won't be enough to convey that. It has effectively doubled in size since last time (tripled, if you really want to acknowledge that Splatoon 2 had little to no bearing on base game Ult), introduced a variety of popular new characters and expanded on old ones... most other big Nintendo series in Smash have had a lot of time to build up their casts, but Splatoon has not and it's got some catching up to do.

I wouldn't be mad if we ended up with all of Inkling, Octoling, Squid Sisters or Off the Hook and DJ Octavio. This cast is so dynamically fun and full of potential that I can't wait to see it blossom further in Smash, I hope Sakurai sees it the same way.

 

[Thegameandwatch]

I mean, Waluigi (and to a lesser extent Isaac, and later on Shadow) were basically the only ATs to retain popularity after getting AT'd this time.

I think the exceptions are characters that are mentioned when companies or series are also mentioned. Examples include Skull Kid, Midna, Zero, Knuckles, probably Bomber Man, and etc.

 

[Will]

WB Games shutting down all those studios is pretty tough. Thankfully, as a repercussion we’re seeing NRS collab with more crossovers.

Yes I’m very much breathing in copium, you don’t need to ask.

 

[Hadokeyblade]

Tsubasa for Smash. Maybe IS will manage to get a second TMS banner for FEH if that happens?

I wish the ost for that game was put into smash.

I find it kinda odd that the Persona/Fire Emblem crossover game didnt get any songs in the game when both series were present.

 

[dream1ng]

I think the exceptions are characters that are mentioned when companies or series are also mentioned. Examples include Skull Kid, Midna, Zero, Knuckles, probably Bomber Man, and etc.

Those characters are mentioned as possibilities to fill a "spot", and in general are popular, but it doesn't mean they have substantial demand at all given times. I mean, after Sephiroth got in, people reasoned that Zero and Alucard were the likely next candidates for their series, but it didn't transfer to an immediate spike in popularity in nearly the same way as Chun-Li and Eggman, since, unlike Zero and Alucard, they didn't have roles.

Likewise, Skull Kid and Midna are generally popular Zelda characters who are often floated as candidates for the next spot, but after they got AT'd, neither really retained demand for the duration of DLC. That doesn't mean the popularity won't rebound. I mean, this isn't the first time some popular characters have been AT'd. Skull Kid and Midna both have.

It's more who retained demand during Ultimate after a setback as big as being seen as deconfirmed by a lot of people. It's not like other ATs lost all residual support, but I'd argue it was mostly just Waluigi, and to a lesser extent Isaac and Shadow.

And Waluigi's demand imo is especially impressive because all the other characters who were AT'd right at the beginning like Krystal, Lyn, Takamaru and Bomberman really had quiet fanbases for basically all of Ultimate. Isaac and Shadow at least had the benefit of momentum (and the Grinch).

 

[Watuna4343]

I mean even if they don't work in a Diddy/Dixie or Rex/Pyra capacity, I feel like you could just easily just make them a transformation character basically.

Mmm, I can see Sakurai not wanting to go that route. Because at their core, transformation characters make sense as transformation characters because they are the same person/alter egos. Pearl and Marina aren't, they are 2 different characters, I can see Sakurai considering it out of character for them to swap out.

 

[Lionfranky]

Isn't Nintendo itself the biggest roadblock to Waluigi? I heard that they don't want characters from non-mainline Mario games as playable characters. That's why Geno isn't considered by Nintendo.

 

[SuperSonicFlyer]

Mmm, I can see Sakurai not wanting to go that route. Because at their core, transformation characters make sense as transformation characters because they are the same person/alter egos. Pearl and Marina aren't, they are 2 different characters, I can see Sakurai considering it out of character for them to swap out.

For Diddy and Dixie, didn’t they change places in gameplay with a transformation like method in Donkey Kong Land 2 for the Game Boy? For that reason, I could see that being used as opposed to an Ice Climbers like way.

 

[HyperSomari64]

Tsubasa for Smash. Maybe IS will manage to get a second TMS banner for FEH if that happens?

With Touma and Yashiro this time. another all-female banner with Maiko, Tiki and Syndactyly Anna doesn't sound that bad either.

I wish the ost for that game was put into smash.

I find it kinda odd that the Persona/Fire Emblem crossover game didnt get any songs in the game when both series were present.

this song needs to be in Smash

 

[dream1ng]

Isn't Nintendo itself the biggest roadblock to Waluigi? I heard that they don't want characters from non-mainline Mario games as playable characters. That's why Geno isn't considered by Nintendo.

I think you're just hearing people say mainline content is treated preferentially to spin-off content, which it by and large is. Not that spin-off content can't get in. There's no reason to believe that. I mean we already have Dr. Mario.

But also at this point with the Mario series, if Toad continues to be overlooked, the "mainline" games cast is looking a little paltry. Sure they could include someone like Pauline, but... there are reasons to believe Waluigi or Geno would have better odds.

Also Geno's case goes well past being spin-off, he has the complications of being a third-party from a company with much bigger characters to deal with.

 

[SharkLord]

Isn't Nintendo itself the biggest roadblock to Waluigi? I heard that they don't want characters from non-mainline Mario games as playable characters. That's why Geno isn't considered by Nintendo.

If this were true I think Daisy would been @#$% outta luck.

With Geno specifically, the bigger issue is that SMRPG is still co-owned with Square Enix, so they'd have to go through negotiations for the rights to a one-shot character from a decades-old spinoff game, which would've been more or less impossible had it not been for his devoted fan-following

 

[Watuna4343]

For Diddy and Dixie, didn’t they change places in gameplay with a transformation like method in Donkey Kong Land 2 for the Game Boy? For that reason, I could see that being used as opposed to an Ice Climbers like way.

Afaik, there were techincal difficulties with the tag-team aspect and so Diddy Kong became solo. Now, I didn't mention Diddy Kong and Dixie Kong because Brawl was on the f***ing Wii, whereas Rex/Pyra/Mythra is a more recent example. But again, maybe the Switch 2 will allow such an aspect to take place? Who knows though honestly we have to remember that Sakurai himself said that the Ice Climbers, simple as they were, were pushing the boundaries of the Switch as is.

 

[SuperSonicFlyer]

If this were true I think Daisy would been @#$% outta luck.

With Geno specifically, the bigger issue is that SMRPG is still co-owned with Square Enix, so they'd have to go through negotiations for the rights to a one-shot character from a decades-old spinoff game, which would've been more or less impossible had it not been for his devoted fan-following

To me, the negotiations thing does not seem that hard to do. I mean, it still has difficulty, but Geno got in as a Mii costume twice and as a Spirit, so that is a (small) start.

Plus, many thought a Square Enix character was impossible, yet we had Cloud in Smash 4 and Hero and Sephiroth the following game. Some characters from Square Enix could still get in before Geno, but who knows? Maybe he could become playable as a surprise.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

WB Games shutting down all those studios is pretty tough. Thankfully, as a repercussion we’re seeing NRS collab with more crossovers.

Yes I’m very much breathing in copium, you don’t need to ask.

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