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Official Next Smash - Speculation & Discussion Thread

superprincess

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If they can redesign DK they can give Daisy darker skin, cmon Nintendo.
Or just make a new character that's dark skinned. Daisy has been established as a white woman for all of her 35 year-long existence. She is tanned in newer releases, but why settle for an arbitrarily darkened Daisy? They have to make an actual human character that's not white from the beginning.
I feel like this forum went from Next Smash - Speculation & Discussion to Mario Kart 10 - Speculation & Discussion tbh.

Guess a Mario Kart 10 being confirmed alongside the Nintendo Switch 2 does that to people.
Please, it's Mario Kart 9. Even if they don't name it as such.
Also, why is Mario Sluggers for the Wii still the best Mario spin-off roster out there? MK8 took a DLC pack, a Deluxe edition and then more DLC to even come close to this glory.
MK8D is better than this lol
 
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MK8 taking nearly 10 years to add Diddy and Funky while Sluggers included Diddy, Dixie, Tiny, Funky, K Rool, Kritter, and Baby DK at release is why nostalgia for spin-offs in the Gamecube and Wii era is entirely justified.
Sluggers threw in every character that had a 3D model lying around and then some. And the DK bias was very much appreciated.
I feel like it will just based on having 24 characters per race. Mario Kart 8 after the BCP had 48, and I feel like with 24 characters each race that's a pretty solid number to aim for.
I agree. Presumably Mario Baseball had huge rosters because there had to be 18 unique characters in every match, so expecting around 48 characters for a game that will have 24 unique characters per race feels like a reasonable expectation, especially if they pull MK Tour shenanigans.

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Why are we acting like 24 player Mario Kart is a new thing that’s only possible using the Switch 2’s specs? Mario Kart Wii modders achieved this years ago.

 

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Why are we acting like 24 player Mario Kart is a new thing that’s only possible using the Switch 2’s specs? Mario Kart Wii modders achieved this years ago.

I mean I don't think anyone's saying it's ONLY possible on the Switch 2, but it is the (or at least one of the) new thing for this official Mario Kart game lol
 

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On semi-serious note while I am iffy on non Mario adjacent characters getting in Smash and would seriously question third party ones showing up, I think I would make an exception for Pac-Man and company being included, if only to pay tribute to the Mario Kart arcade titles and for the possibility of fun tributes to various bits of that series. And I say that in spite of the high chance of Pac-Mom getting chosen for such an appearance over Ms. Pac-Man.
 
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If anything, I’d like for them to abandon the numbers for the naming conventions of Mario Kart games, just so we never have these conversations again.
Mario Kart changes naming conventions all the time anyway, it's not like it has to be deadset on "Mario Kart (whatever number Nintendo thinks is correct)".
 

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Or just make a new character that's dark skinned. Daisy has been established as a white woman for all of her 35 year-long existence. She is tanned in newer releases, but why settle for an arbitrarily darkened Daisy? They have to make an actual human character that's not white from the beginning.
Alternatively, do both! Everyone wins!
 

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If anything, I’d like for them to abandon the numbers for the naming conventions of Mario Kart games, just so we never have these conversations again.
I hope its subtitle is unique like Double Dash or Super Circuit.

I'd come up with one right now but we haven't seen enough of the game to know what would be fitting. I'm convinced that they're still hiding the main mechanic/gimmick of the game.

I may make fun of roster decisions always, but as long as the Wario brothers are still playable I'll know who I'll gravitate to.
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Same here. And honestly, I can see Mario and Luigi being frequent choices of mine too. Their new looks are incredibly appealing to me, they seem so jolly.

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Mario, Luigi, and Wario (or what little we see of him) all look very N64-esque.
 
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I just hope the next Mario Kart roster is…big. Mario Kart 8’s starting roster wasn’t small, but having 5 babies and 7 Koopalings and the metal characters made it feel pretty flavorless and repetitive. This one having 24 characters in every race hopefully incentivizes 40+ characters so that every race feels different. I’ll take Baby Rosalina, Tanooki Mario, Pink Cat Peachette or whatever as long there’s still plenty of options to choose from.

Also, why is Mario Sluggers for the Wii still the best Mario spin-off roster out there? MK8 took a DLC pack, a Deluxe edition and then more DLC to even come close to this glory.
Uh, no. No, quantity isn't quality. Just because the game will have 24 racers, it's no justification to now do a turn around to the babies, metals, pink golds, what have you just for the sake of oversaturating the roster. How about Nintendo uses that time to bring some new racers instead of bringing back all these alternate versions. If they are aiming for more female playable characters... I mean, the Sprixie Princesses are right there, Dixie Kong is right there, Mona and Ashley are right there, there's no need for the Peachettes of the world. And if they want to give a big roster like again, how about bringing Ninji and Spike out of their Mario Party limbo, or promote Pianta from spectator to racer, or give the rest of the tour characters their port. There's no need to crave for plenty of options for the sake of quantity and turn to spin-off filler choices like these.
 

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Unrelated to Smash, but on the topic of Mario Kart, even though they are owned by Square Enix...

I always wanted to play as Geno, Mallow and maybe Smithy from Super Mario RPG in a Mario Kart game.
Not happening (thank god). The clash of art styles would be terrible. And let's be real, the negotiations wouldn't even be worth it for a character who's only cared about by hardcore gamers at the end of the day.

There's a lot you can do without delving into unnecessarily sticky RPG territory. Add Captain Syrup, Wart (the better K*ng K. R**l) or some other forgotten mainline character like the Sprixies.


Didn't they make her playable in Wonder?
Being one of twelve playable characters in a game where character choice doesn't matter & lore literally doesn't exist isn't quite substantial.

DK got a theme park and important movie role, which brought him closer to the Mario brand and moved him away from his own declining series, which explains the need for a redesign.

Daisy hasn't done anything noteworthy and unique to her in recent years, or ever really, to necessitate a new look. They could (and probably should) redesign her to diversify her from Peach, but even that comes with its own caveats.


there's no need for the Peachettes of the world.
Yes there is! Peach and Toadette are infinitely more popular than most of y'all's favorite Paper/Mario & Luigi/Whatever RPG party members, so a fusion of the two characters is free real estate really.
 

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Not happening (thank god). The clash of art styles would be terrible. And let's be real, the negotiations wouldn't even be worth it for a character who's only cared about by hardcore gamers at the end of the day.

There's a lot you can do without delving into unnecessarily sticky RPG territory. Add Captain Syrup, Wart (the better K*ng K. R**l) or some other forgotten mainline character like the Sprixies.


Being one of twelve playable characters in a game where character choice doesn't matter & lore literally doesn't exist isn't quite substantial.

DK got a theme park and important movie role, which brought him closer to the Mario brand and moved him away from his own declining series, which explains the need for a redesign.

Daisy hasn't done anything noteworthy and unique to her in recent years, or ever really, to necessitate a new look. They could (and probably should) redesign her to diversify her from Peach, but even that comes with its own caveats.


Yes there is! Peach and Toadette are infinitely more popular than most of y'all's favorite Paper/Mario & Luigi/Whatever RPG party members, so a fusion of the two characters is free real estate really.
I'd figure you would say something like that, though I am not buying the not happening part, well, not from you at least. I understand the negotiations part and why it would never happen, but I can still dream, can't I? I also don't think art style would be much of a problem, honestly.

BUT...honestly, Captain Syrup and Wart in Mario Kart, or even Smash Bros. would be something I would be excited for!
 

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Also interesting to note: Wouldn't this be the first time we hear Kevin Afghani as Baby Mario and Baby Luigi?
It most certainly is and I look forward to his take. Hope he channels some Double Dash energy with his line.

"Not-a bad for a Baby"
 

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Uh, no. No, quantity isn't quality. Just because the game will have 24 racers, it's no justification to now do a turn around to the babies, metals, pink golds, what have you just for the sake of oversaturating the roster. How about Nintendo uses that time to bring some new racers instead of bringing back all these alternate versions. If they are aiming for more female playable characters... I mean, the Sprixie Princesses are right there, Dixie Kong is right there, Mona and Ashley are right there, there's no need for the Peachettes of the world. And if they want to give a big roster like again, how about bringing Ninji and Spike out of their Mario Party limbo, or promote Pianta from spectator to racer, or give the rest of the tour characters their port. There's no need to crave for plenty of options for the sake of quantity and turn to spin-off filler choices like these.
Hey I hear ya and I wouldn’t say I totally disagree, but we already saw a trailer that showed a little over 20 characters and 5 of them were babies. I saw what they did with MK8 and Tour. There’s gonna be some cheap characters on the roster - I just hope there’s enough characters in general including totally unique characters like Ninji and Dixie Kong to justify all the “filler.”

Also, it’s Mario Kart. This isn’t a fighting game or a MOBA where we need every character to have a unique playstyle. It’s just character models placed inside a kart with a handful of fun animations. It’s okay to ask for quantity.
 
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I like the DK redesign, it's going to take some getting used to, but a redesign signals to me that they have big plans for the King of the Jungle.

But I do find it strange that after they've invested so much into theme parks that prominently features the Rare DK, only to outdate him within a year of the park opening?
 
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I like the DK redesign, it's going to take some getting used to, but a redesign signals to me that they have big plans for the King of the Jungle.

But I do find it strange that after they've invested so much into theme parks that prominently features the Rare DK, only to outdate him within a year of the park opening?
I think various elements of the park were somewhat locked in pretty early and it may have been presumed to play it safe now and then do some gradual changes down the line. A few updated DK costumes when the next mainline game is out could probably be done without too much fuss if planned right.
 

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It most certainly is and I look forward to his take. Hope he channels some Double Dash energy with his line.

"Not-a bad for a Baby"
We need more diverse voice lines in general. Let these people speak. I can't remember the last time Daisy or Waluigi spoke a real sentence.

Also, no repurposed voice lines even for the characters who didn't get new VAs. We do not need to hear Laura or Kenneth's MK8 performances for the 18th time.

will we finally get baby toad?
No need. He's already a lightweight.
 

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We need more diverse voice lines in general. Let these people speak. I can't remember the last time Daisy or Waluigi spoke a real sentence.

Also, no repurposed voice lines even for the characters who didn't get new VAs. We do not need to hear Laura or Kenneth's MK8 performances for the 18th time.
Now this I can agree on. Hoping that the voicelines for almost every character are fresh. Diddy and Funky could benefit the most, the Barrel Blast voice clips are almost a decade old at this point.

Double Dash was like the last Mario Kart where the characters had whole sentences for quips instead of just words.

Not happening (thank god). The clash of art styles would be terrible. And let's be real, the negotiations wouldn't even be worth it for a character who's only cared about by hardcore gamers at the end of the day.
Not an avid supporter of Geno and Mallow myself but I don't think they would clash with the art style, especially since this game is giving pretty much everyone design tweaks in order to fit into one universal style. I'm confident that the design team could make even Smithy fit.
 

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Not an avid supporter of Geno and Mallow myself but I don't think they would clash with the art style, especially since this game is giving pretty much everyone design tweaks in order to fit into one universal style. I'm confident that the design team could make even Smithy fit.
I would say that given how 3Dish the original Super Mario RPG was, and by extension, its remake, characters from that game would be able to fit into a Mario Kart game, which, nowadays is quite 3D itself. Maybe not without some tweaks as you said, but I don't think the art styles are going to clash so hard here.
 
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Oooh, all this Mario Kart talk makes me want to redo my dream Mario Kart roster

Listen I just need them to finally bring back Whittles
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Look at this ******. They are one of the most perfect beautiful creatures to grace the Mario universe and they have been missing for over a decade
I see the vision. My first order of business will be to add Whittles
 

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Not happening (thank god). The clash of art styles would be terrible.
What? If anything SMRPG has by far the closest art style to the "normal" Mario art style of the RPGs, and this MK even has the characters seemingly a little stubbier like the remake. You're not de-papering some character here, Geno and Mallow could easily make the jump to something like this, design-wise.
 

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Not happening (thank god). The clash of art styles would be terrible.
The new Mario Kart's art style is actually really close to Super Mario RPG's artstyle, so if anything they'd look more at home in this game specifically.

Being one of twelve playable characters in a game where character choice doesn't matter & lore literally doesn't exist isn't quite substantial.
Considering that 2 of those are Toad, 4 of those are Yoshi, and the series in general doesn't tend to have a huge roster, I'd say it's pretty significant that they're all playable at all. The characters not having mechanical differences (barring Yoshi and Nabbit who are meant to be the game's "easy mode") is fairly standard, as the only two games that made everyone different are Super Mario Bros. 2, and Super Mario 3D World. Even New Super Luigi U made everyone like Luigi instead of giving the Toads any unique traits.

Yes there is! Peach and Toadette are infinitely more popular than most of y'all's favorite Paper/Mario & Luigi/Whatever RPG party members, so a fusion of the two characters is free real estate really.
I get the premise, but not the conclusion. To be honest, I think Bowsette, and the fannon implications of the Super Crown were way more popular than Peachette ever was. Peachette is just Peach in a cute Toadette inspired dress, and as far as stuff like that goes, we've got a lot more interesting Peach designs before and since. As far as recognizably goes, my thoughts immediately go to that clip of RelaxAlax asking random people who she was:

"Can you tell me who this woman is?"
"Peach?"
"Incorrect!"

Really, I'm not against Peachett's inclusion, but I don't think she's inherently a better inclusion, even in comparison to niche picks since she kind of falls into the category of clone characters that people find inoffensive at best.
 

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Or just make a new character that's dark skinned. Daisy has been established as a white woman for all of her 35 year-long existence. She is tanned in newer releases, but why settle for an arbitrarily darkened Daisy? They have to make an actual human character that's not white from the beginning.
Why is that a problem, but Donkey Kong looking completely different after looking consistent for 30 years is not? Would Daisy looking like a different white woman be less weird?

In narrative focused series I usually prefer to keep stuff like skin color consistent or have a narrative reason for why it changed, but for a series like Mario that does whatever it wants with it’s characters and doesn’t give a crap about continuity, I really don’t care.

She’s the princess of a desert kingdom, people native to desert regions typically have darker skin, not to mention her skin was darker during the N64 era, so no, it’s not arbitrary.
 
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