Official Next Smash - Speculation & Discussion Thread

[Wonder Smash]

Out of topic, but what do y'all think of Kunio in Smash? I mean, it makes a lot of sense.
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Oh, he definitely makes sense! Plus, he's one of my MWs.

 

[DarthEnderX]

Out of topic, but what do y'all think of Kunio in Smash? I mean, it makes a lot of sense.

One I've my most wanted characters.

Though, as an ArcSys owned character, I'm worried he won't come till after Sol.

What do you all think are the odds of all Microsoft-owned characters in Smash Ultimate returning for the next game?

100%.

 

[Dukefire]

Out of topic, but what do y'all think of Kunio in Smash? I mean, it makes a lot of sense.
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Juat asking, does WayForward holds the rights to River City or another company I don't know about?

 

[KneeOfJustice99]

Juat asking, does WayForward holds the rights to River City or another company I don't know about?

As far as I'm aware, the Kunio-kun IP is licensed out to WayForward for the River City Girls games, but the rights are still held by ArcSys after their acquisition of most of Technos' assets (which also includes stuff like Double Dragon.)

 

[ninjahmos]

Out of topic, but what do y'all think of Kunio in Smash? I mean, it makes a lot of sense.
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I'd be all for Kunio (and Riki, if possible). I'd also love to see Billy and Jimmy, but I'm not sure whether ArcSys would be down with someone from the Technos games or if they'd rather have someone from Guilty Gear join Smash first, like Sol.

 

[Speed Weed]

Then again, it could just as easily end up being Misako over Kunio...

If Misako was picked over Kunio I would cry

 

[pitchfulprocessing]

I don't know if this is a hot take but I don't really think the River City Girls games are that good.

 

[dream1ng]

100%.

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You're making it real easy to be wrong lol

 

[Stratos]

Although Conker is one of the characters I would like to see in the Super Smash Bros. series due to his debut in Diddy Kong Racing, I can't accept him because with the exception of Conker's Pocket Tales, his other games have been made for a very mature audience and in my opinion they should have continued to make him family friendly. I wish they had released Twelve Tales: Conker 64 and released other games of his that were also family friendly.

 

[maf91186]

As glad as I am to hear that the Switch 2 will most likely be getting some strong third-party support unlike the Wii's successor, I'd find it odd to see a gaming market where only Nintendo and Sony remained as the big names in the gaming console industry

Takes me back to the year 2000 sigh of nostalgia

 

[Gengar84]

I don't know if this is a hot take but I don't really think the River City Girls games are that good.

I don’t know either and you’re entitled to your opinion. It was actually my brother’s favorite game we played last year and we had a blast playing it with our friends. My brother and I later bought River City Girls Zero (which is a port of a formerly Japanese exclusive River City Ransom game with added cutscenes) and didn’t have nearly as fun a time with it. So far, that’s my only experience with the mainline series but I was kind of disappointed with it after playing the two River City Girls games. The added intro and ending cutscenes and opening and ending credits themes were great though.

Although Conker is one of the characters I would like to see in the Super Smash Bros. series due to his debut in Diddy Kong Racing, I can't accept him because with the exception of Conker's Pocket Tales, his other games have been made for a very mature audience and in my opinion they should have continued to make him family friendly. I wish they had released Twelve Tales: Conker 64 and released other games of his that were also family friendly.

I love classic RARE but Conker never really clicked with me. I think I just have a different taste in humor than what that game was going for. I do admire the effort to try to make something unique and break expectations of the genre but it’s just not really my thing. If they somehow chose Conker, I’d personally be pretty disappointed but I’d be happy for his fans just like any other character. I also feel like there’s more to RARE than 3D N64 mascot platformers so I’d prefer to see something outside of that for their next character if they get one.

 

[Nabbitfan730]

Pretty much this.

If they wanted to do a few more Smash original stages, then great, I'd be super down for that, but to completely remove locations based on the actual games in your big crossover is just a bad move.

Hmm a crossover game with no crossover stages or music.

Don't think I'd be a fan...

I mean it could just be stages based on IPs, just not actual locations. Like how traverse town is based on homely Disney town and Hollow Bastion based of a Final Fantasy castle

so Grass = based on Mario/DK/Kirby
Castle = FE/Zelda
City = AC/Mother

etc

since we are on MvC2... SonSon, Amigo or Ruby? Would make good picks no for Smash?

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

The River City games fall into that odd category where I deeply respect them, but they never really clicked with me the same way Streets of Rage or even Final Fight did. Much like Double Dragon, I think discovering the games long after I'd been deep into other beat em' ups meant they were titles I could intellectual see why they were so important and recognize the things they did well while at the same lacking the same kind of exciting immersion with them that a playthrough of a Streets of Rage 2 could offer me.

I am glad that River City has become more recognized the in West these last 10 years and it would absolutely deserve to be in Smash fighter wise; it's just that an Axel Stone or Mike Haggar is always going to be the bigger deal because of when I first played them.

 

[Gengar84]

The River City games fall into that odd category where I deeply respect them, but they never really clicked with me the same way Streets of Rage or even Final Fight did. Much like Double Dragon, I think discovering the games long after I'd been deep into other beat em' ups meant they were titles I could intellectual see why they were so important and recognize the things they did well while at the same lacking the same kind of exciting immersion with them that a could playthrough of a Streets of Rage 2 could offer me.

I am glad that River City has become more recognized the in West these last 10 years and it would absolutely deserve to be in Smash fighter wise; it's just that an Axel Stone or Mike Haggar is always going to be the bigger deal because of when I first played them.

I’m the same way but my choice is the Battletoads. Not so much because I thought their games were better but because I just think they’re really cool characters with fun and unique abilities that would be a blast to play in Smash. I did really enjoy the first few stages of the original Battletoads and Battlemaniacs but they got too hard past Turbo Tunnel. The arcade game and Battletoads & Double Dragon were great throughout though. I never really played other Beat ‘em Ups besides Battletoads, TMNT, and Rival Turf as a kid so I don’t have the same nostalgia for the bigger ones. In recent years, I’ve tried Streets of Rage 4 and both River City Girls games and had a lot of fun with them.

 

[HyperSomari64]

Rival Turf

So, Jaleco/City Connection Inc. for Smash, anyone?

 

[pitchfulprocessing]

The classic River City games are pretty fun and very iconic for their time, I would place the ones I've played on par with Streets of Rage 2 which still holds up. I'm not gonna pretend to be an expert on classic beat em ups, let alone the later River City games, but out of the ones I've played Aliens VS Predator and Golden Axe: Revenge of Death Adder stood out to me the most. For me though River City Girls kinda feels like a lot of style over substance, the combat is fine but I don't think it feels deep enough to carry through the game, and the aesthetic and tone is just a bit overbearing for me as it progresses. It's a well made game but it definitely didn't capture me like it seems to for a lot of people.

Kunio in Smash would be a lot of fun for sure.

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

Battletoads is an interesting beast in that many games in the series were in some ways variations of that original NES release with the Double Dragon crossover and the (sadly less well known) arcade game being the two games that actually shook up the experience. I'd love a Battletoads inclusion with aesthetics largely based on Battlemaniacs and the arcade release as they have some of the best looks for the characters proper.

The 2020 game has some merit design wise, but I'd say the 90s takes would be more natural fits for Smash.

 

[Gengar84]

Battletoads is an interesting beast in that many games in the series were in some ways variations of that original NES release with the Double Dragon crossover and the (sadly less well known) arcade game being the two games that actually shook up the experience. I'd love a Battletoads inclusion with aesthetics largely based on Battlemaniacs and the arcade release as they have some of the best look, for the characters proper.

The 2020 game has some merit design wise, but I'd say the 90s takes would be more natural fits for Smash.

Yeah, Battlemaniacs is easily my favorite design for the characters. I do like Zitz’s teal color scheme he’s had since Battletoads & Double Dragon though. I feel like the reboot tried too hard to emulate the Rise of the TMNT cartoon, which was a pretty questionable decision considering that cartoon didn’t go over too well either. I watched Rise last year and it was surprisingly decent for what it was trying to be and I found the movie genuinely enjoyable.

I do feel like the reboot Battletoads lost some of the edge that made them cool in pursuit of trying to conform with modern cartoon trends. The humor of the reboot is also very hit or miss. I do think the gameplay is actually quite good though and it’s probably a step up from the classic games in that department at least. Still really happy that Battletoads even got a game at all even if it wasn’t everything I was hoping for.

 

[Ivander]

since we are on MvC2... SonSon, Amigo or Ruby? Would make good picks no for Smash?

Still think Sakurai should do something like this for the surprise character and the laughs.

How about we put....This Goku in Smash!

We make Nintendo's Goku an Echo Fighter of Goku!

Then make Goku III an Alternate Costume for Goku!

So we get Three Gokus in Smash Bros!

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

Yeah, Battlemaniacs is easily my favorite design for the characters. I feel like the reboot tried too hard to emulate the Rise of the TMNT cartoon, which was a pretty questionable decision considering that cartoon didn’t go over too well either. I watched Rise last year and it was surprisingly decent for what it was trying to be and I found the movie genuinely enjoyable.

I do feel like the reboot Battletoads lost some of the edge that made them cool in pursuit of trying to conform with modern cartoon trends. The humor of the reboot is also very hit or miss. I do think the gameplay is actually quite good though and it’s probably a step up from the classic games in that department at least. Still really happy that Battletoads even got a game at all even if it wasn’t everything I was hoping for.

The reboot suffers a bit from trying to go too broad for laughs and seemingly being afraid of just embracing the premise of the franchise. A game that played the concept pretty straight and keeping any winking to the audience or excess wackiness to a minimum probably would have made for a stronger result. Streets of Rage 4 is a good comparison as it has a few elements which could be taken as absurd, but it balances taking just enough parts seriously while still having fun that it makes for a game with broader appeal. It probably didn't help that Shredder's Revenge came out some time after and arguably was a better model of doing a cartoonish beat em up while not going overboard with it.