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Official Next Smash - Speculation & Discussion Thread

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Random thought but Astro Bot coming out in a few months will probably give another good idea of how Square handles crossovers, cause that's another big multi-company crossover celebrating PlayStation. Astro's Playroom had an FF7 reference, but it was specifically just the Buster Sword without an actual appearance from a Cloud Bot, while every other game either had its protagonist represented in bot form or was actually played on a screen in-game. Astro Bot is supposed to have over 150 cameos, so I'm interested to see if they'll actually get permission to depict Cloud directly this time.
 

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Random thought but Astro Bot coming out in a few months will probably give another good idea of how Square handles crossovers, cause that's another big multi-company crossover celebrating PlayStation. Astro's Playroom had an FF7 reference, but it was specifically just the Buster Sword without an actual appearance from a Cloud Bot, while every other game either had its protagonist represented in bot form or was actually played on a screen in-game. Astro Bot is supposed to have over 150 cameos, so I'm interested to see if they'll actually get permission to depict Cloud directly this time.
If only Astro Bot had a reference to Hyperdimension Neptunia. (Just throw in a Noire one, since she represents PlayStation on those games)
 
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I don't wanna be too much of a naysayer, but personally no I don't think so. The rise in discussion around Adol and Ys came in response to Terry blindsiding most of the community, and speculating on which other smaller scale, legacy Japanese companies may be viable. And from that perspective, Nihon Falcom is a fair place to go. I would rather invite this kind of conversation than shut it out, it's better than staying locked into AAA stuff and the usual suspects.

On the other hand though, I don't think Ys is quite comparable to Fatal Fury or King of Fighters. I think when we discuss SNK's relative size, it's easy to neglect just how important of a staple they were to Japanese arcades and beyond. The more lowkey significance of Ys feels a bit too segregated from what we've seen so far for me to really be confident in them gunning for it. It's still not a super recognizable series on a worldwide scale and there are a number of other RPG series that I think may join the conversation first. I'm glad that a good conversation can arise from seldom discussed classic characters, but sometimes the pieces just don't quite come together for me.

If we did end up getting a Falcom character, I could see there being some competition for Ys from the also highly acclaimed Trails series. Although it seems like people who know more about these games than I do have spoken on that already.
I think you're coming from a fair place, but I do also think you're downplaying Falcom's significance a bit here. You mention how significant SNK is to the arcade scene as a point of comparison, and rightfully so, but it's worth noting Falcom really were an incredibly important developer in their own field of Japanese PC gaming. Like, one of the absolute top dogs of that scene, pumping out popular games for a long time, and they've had a massive influence on the course of the JRPG as well (their early successes are right up there with the likes of Tower of Druaga in terms of being highly influential templates on action RPGs in particular). They're incredibly beloved in Japan, with titles like Ys, Xanadu and Sorcerian being considered classics (I believe Xanadu was, for a long time, one of if not the highest-selling Japanese PC game) and the Trails series having a large following as well. If we were to go for that sort of niche-but-influential type choice, I think Falcom are as valid a pick as any, and I think when taking into account what the two companies brought to their respective fields, they aren't that far apart from SNK in terms of significance, relatively speaking. The points against it I think would be that A. we don't have a ton of precedent for Smash turning its attention towards computer gaming, and B. their niche status in the west. The former I think is just a case of "if it happens, it happens", I don't think there's much to be discussed there, but the second one is admittedly more valid. I guess I'll say here that I do think that, although still niche, they've been slowly but surely gaining popularity over here - just from anecdotal experience I have seen plenty of people talking about their games these days, though it's worth noting the vast majority of it's been about Trails rather than Ys. I think at the very least the former is decently well-known at this point, though the original conversation was about Ys, and I do think that one falters a bit more in this regard, so I think you have a point there. I guess it's just a matter of "would this be something they'd reasonably see value in pushing", and I don't have the answer for that.
 
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Also on the topic, I really think the Avatar from Ultima would be a super cool left field pick. In terms of videogame history, it's hard to find franchises more influtential than Ultima, which codified the entire RPG genre alongside Wizardry and went on to inspire Final Fantasy and Dragon Quest directly. The Avatar is a pretty perfect pick as the most fundamental archetypal fantasy RPG hero, with access to every single weapon ranging from axes to whips to scythes, and a huge list of spells from across the series from basic stuff to things like summoning swarms of insects. I think they'd be a great contrast against the likes of the Dragon Quest Hero and Cloud, and while Ultima is much less active now due to the split rights, Ultima Online still has a passionate playerbase. Plus from the company angle I'd say they'd be a good pick for an EA character.

Really I think the more you dive into videogame history the more you realise how much of it comes back to and is inspired by Dungeons And Dragons lol.
 

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Shining Soul 2 is to Shining Soul 1 as Diablo 2 is to Diablo 1.
  • Quality of life changes like the characters moving faster, characters can reach Level 200 instead of 99, and the Crafting System involving the Mithril, Dark Matter and whatnot being expanded upon and a bit less random.
  • It's more open-ended compared to SS1. Like it's still for the most part a start-to-finish kind of game, but compared to the first game, there are quests you can find in the main hub(which is bigger compared to the first game) that have you search the areas you explore, there are quests that unlock new areas, there are secrets that you can find in each area, there's basically a lot more you can do and find compared to the first game.
  • 4 new classes in addition to the ones from the first game with additional traits you can get and level up, as well as some new weapon and magic types. There's also a secret character you can unlock similar to Drizzt Do'Urden from the old Balder's Gate Dark Alliance games.
  • Depending on your knowledge of Shining Force, Shining Soul 2 has a more original story and more original bosses whereas Shining Soul 1 is (almost) a gauntlet of all of the Shining Force final bosses with Darksol and Dark Dragon being the Main Villains.
And both Shining Soul 1 and 2 would heavily benefit from the NSO's Local and Online Modes, between being able to play with 3 other players or even trade with other players in general. Shining Soul 2 is great fun and a very good Diablo-like.
I'm aware of a lot of this, though I will say the Crafting System's "quality drops" part is also rather tedious compared to the simplistic Mithril system. That said, it's still random either way.

I didn't mind the bosses being reused. It felt nostalgic. Anyway, thanks for the information. Still, it needs to be on there. I also wish they'd have remade Shining Force II at some point. SF1's remake is quite a good game(though the difficulty spike feels a lot worse due to Chapters you can't redo, namely during the between Chapters part). It's not actually more difficult, but it feels annoying at times. It's the only reason I haven't beaten it. The way the difficulty works makes it more difficult for me to properly work with it. That said, I also enjoyed Shining Soul 1. I like to call it a "crappily addictive game"(not that it's crappy, it's just a silly nickname). I've beaten it with every class. Archer felt the easiest to work with for me(mostly due to having some automatic healing), but the way archery works also sometimes put 'em at a disadvantage, especially against one of the Shining Force 3 reused Bosses(if I remember what game she's from correctly). Mainly due to having clones show up. XD
 

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Random thought but Astro Bot coming out in a few months will probably give another good idea of how Square handles crossovers, cause that's another big multi-company crossover celebrating PlayStation. Astro's Playroom had an FF7 reference, but it was specifically just the Buster Sword without an actual appearance from a Cloud Bot, while every other game either had its protagonist represented in bot form or was actually played on a screen in-game. Astro Bot is supposed to have over 150 cameos, so I'm interested to see if they'll actually get permission to depict Cloud directly this time.
That's if it's going to use third-party appearances again (which I hope they do).
 

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I miss those times lol.
Hopefully, Smash 6 gives us a interesting pre-release period too.
Hopefully a bit longer than Ultimate's pre-release. Nice to have the game the same year as it was announced but Pre-releases are the much-better time periods than post. Stuff like Waluigi Twin-Towers, The community raising support for the one person to play Ultimate before he died, Etika's Reactions, Grinch Leak and the Chairs etc were entertaining times indeed and speculation was much healthier

Take those anyday over Hoes Mad, Mass Scandal and Scrimblo Bimblo Ad infinitum over and over.

Hopefully as well, Nintendo and Sora Ltd keep things just as tight-lipped as they did for Ultimate

One thing I do like whenever characters are revealed for Smash, there are some people on YouTube who make videos about the characters in anticipation for their appearances in Smash. It's either a playthrough of their most popular game or a history about their series.
This is honestly a new one, never heard on this one. Any examples?

Say, since it's officially June now, are we allowed to talk about Direct predictions? I doubt it'll be anything TOO big given we've got a new console confirmed, but at the very least I could see this being where we get some of the more highly rumored stuff (i.e. an FE4 remake).
A possible Zelda remake.
Another Port
Donkey Kong maybe?
Tomodachi Life?

Definitely i think we will see Metroid Prime 4. No doubt in my mind that game will be the BOTW of the new generation. Cross-gen title coming Switch and Launch title for the Super Nintendo Switch

Apparantly Nintendo expects big things from this fiscal year despite it being the swan song so let's see.
 

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I’m not as into RPGs and platformers as much right now for newcomers, would like to see more beat-em-ups, racing games, point & click, FPS, a more legit puzzle game rep, a strategy game besides FE, SHMUPs, rhythm, maybe one or two more fighters, some generally unconventional ones. That’s just my general feeling on it.
 

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This is honestly a new one, never heard on this one. Any examples?
I played ARMS when it was announced that Challenger Pack 6 was going to be a character from that game, though this is more a personal example on my end since I didn't post anything ARMS-related on YouTube.
 

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Say, since it's officially June now, are we allowed to talk about Direct predictions? I doubt it'll be anything TOO big given we've got a new console confirmed, but at the very least I could see this being where we get some of the more highly rumored stuff (i.e. an FE4 remake).
Ahhhh, this was why I logged in:

most likely:
Mario Party Sequel
Mario 3D remake/remaster (3D Land or Galaxy)
Metroid Prime 2 Remaster

Decently likely:
Some Zelda remaster/remake.. gonna say Link Between Worlds
Prime 4 gameplay footage
Silksong Teaser
Pokemon Legends Z trailer
Fire Emblem 4 remake

…but I want it though:
kid icarus uprising remake
Prike Hunters Remaster
The Zelda remake to be Four Sword Adventures/Triforce Heroes
Paper Luigi and the Marvelous Compass DLC for Thousand Year Door
Kid icarus uprising remake
Fire Emblem Four remake to include 5 as part of the deal.
codename STEAM remake
ARMs 2
 
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I feel as though the developers are damned if they do, damned if they don’t.

On one hand, a lot of the more dedicated fans have concerns regarding the larger roster and so want the next game to be streamlined. Less is more to some.

On the other hand, the giant casual crowd will see any game with less characters than Ultimate as inferior by default.

I certainly wouldn’t want to be Sakurai right now. 😅
 
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I feel as though the developers are damned if they do, damned if they don’t.

On one hand, a lot of the more dedicated fans have concerns regarding the larger roster and so want the next game to be streamlined. Less is more to some.

On the other hand, the giant casual crowd will see any game with less characters than Ultimate as inferior by default.

I certainly wouldn’t want to be Sakurai right now. 😅
I don't even think Smash 6 will be THAT hated if the game has still good gameplay, good newcomers/stages, overall good changes and decent to good single player.
Yeah, people who only care about everyone is here will probably drop the series forever, but w/e, there's still enough people that would buy Smash 6 to sell at least 8-10 million copies i feel.
 

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I guess I'm in between? I expect cuts and want to believe if one of them is a personal favorite that I won't feel too badly or allow it to color my take on the game as a whole. I don't like reducing the game to just the roster either.
 
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I guess I'm in between? I expect cuts and want to believe if one of them is a personal favorite that I won't feel too badly or allow it to color my take on the game as a whole. I don't like reducing the game to just the roster either.
I think everyone has their own opinions on the mater and are just as valid.
Personally, i would like Smash Bros. returning veterans to become a rotating cast like SF, Tekken and etc veterans are, some characters are in one game and others aren't but will return eventually in a future title.
Some people hate cuts and that's understable.
 

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This is honestly a new one, never heard on this one. Any examples?
Yeah, right after Simon revealed, somebody did a playthrough of the first Castlevania. I believe it was GameXplain. Though, for some reason, I can't find the video now.

Then there was also this videos like these about Terry.
 

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I don't want to be off topic but if someone want to begin Ys series which one would you suggest. Thanks for your time.
Ys is generally pretty disconnected - Aside from Ys I and II, which are bundled together anyways, Ys Origin, which is a prequel, and Ys IX, which is very continuity heavy - So it depends on how much time you have. Ys VIII was my starting point and I adored it, but that's a 40-60 hour game so you'd have to sit down for a bit. Aside from that, the recommended order is usually Ys I and II, then the release order from VI-onward (Which you might want to consult Wikipedia for because it alternates between numbered installments and remakes). Essentially, it's going off of gameplay evolution more than anything
I don't wanna be too much of a naysayer, but personally no I don't think so. The rise in discussion around Adol and Ys came in response to Terry blindsiding most of the community, and speculating on which other smaller scale, legacy Japanese companies may be viable. And from that perspective, Nihon Falcom is a fair place to go. I would rather invite this kind of conversation than shut it out, it's better than staying locked into AAA stuff and the usual suspects.

On the other hand though, I don't think Ys is quite comparable to Fatal Fury or King of Fighters. I think when we discuss SNK's relative size, it's easy to neglect just how important of a staple they were to Japanese arcades and beyond. The more lowkey significance of Ys feels a bit too segregated from what we've seen so far for me to really be confident in them gunning for it. It's still not a super recognizable series on a worldwide scale and there are a number of other RPG series that I think may join the conversation first. I'm glad that a good conversation can arise from seldom discussed classic characters, but sometimes the pieces just don't quite come together for me.

If we did end up getting a Falcom character, I could see there being some competition for Ys from the also highly acclaimed Trails series. Although it seems like people who know more about these games than I do have spoken on that already.
Yeah, Trails is the cult classic with the small but vocal fanbase, and more-or-less regular releases. Like, look at their release table from the past decade
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Trails is easily Falcom's darling and will probably stay that way for the forseeable future; As much as I want Adol, Ys is basically just a side gig. It's just that when the Falcom Leak was a thing I was chronically online and just got into Ys so I was able to shill Adol to hell and back, and so Adol became the face of Falcom on SmashBoards
 

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Hopefully as well, Nintendo and Sora Ltd keep things just as tight-lipped as they did for Ultimate
Tbh I hope they keep it more tight-lipped because I'm imagining a world where the Galaga Medley wasn't accidentally Bloody Tears/Monster Dance or whichever track and where the SNK leak didn't happen pre-Terry reveal lol
 

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It's June! Which means a Nintendo Direct is officially on the horizon.

Also happy Pride Month ♡

I'm not too excited for the Direct. I definitely don't expect a new 3D Mario like some people have been suggesting. A new Mario Party is pretty much confirmed, which is fine. Hope they finally release a good one (that also feels complete). My personal wish for the Direct would be some new Mario Sports compilation game, like Sports Mix on Wii. A FE remake also sounds good, I missed out on a few of the early ones so that'd be a fun way to get into them.

As for Smash news, I could see the original game finally being announced for NSO + Expansion to be released during the holiday season... but I'm not betting on that. They may not want two Smash games competing on the same system, but then again they were fine with Super Mario Kart and Mario Kart 64 competing with MK8D. Regardless, we'll most likely have to wait till next year at the soonest for anything SSB6 related.
 
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It’s definitely coming, but we aren’t seeing it now. I’d say we get a tease whenever they show off the Switch 2, probably in the fall if I had to guess.
Yeah, I'm not doubting its existence but it definitely won't be shown right now, during the Switch's final year. I'd say the same for a substantial Zelda release, including the HD remasters of WW and TP, but that's a bit more controversial I think.
 
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I don't want to be off topic but if someone want to begin Ys series which one would you suggest. Thanks for your time.
I only ever played Wanderers from Ys on SNES. And I hear Oath in Felghana is a pretty good remake of that and is on Switch.

So, maybe that?

Edit: Nevermind. The Switch version only came out in Japan.

Also on the topic, I really think the Avatar from Ultima would be a super cool left field pick.
I would LOVE that, but there's no chance.

Ultima is at that same level of influential as Falcom, without the benefit of being Japanese. ...or still existing.
 
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I'm not too excited for the Direct. I definitely don't expect a new 3D Mario like some people have been suggesting. A new Mario Party is pretty much confirmed, which is fine. Hope they finally release a good one (that also feels complete).
Honestly, I dunno how likely it is, but I'd love a Mario Party Superstars 2 with more maps than the first one and a bigger roster that focuses on the Gamecube games. It probably isn't all that likely since Superstars has a ton of minigames from all over, but between Super (I think 9th highest selling Switch title) and Superstars (I think 20th?), definitely see one happening either way sooner or later and I have high hopes because Super was more like a traditional one than 9 or 10 and Superstars was obviously the return to the classic formula.
 
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I just want Metroid Prime 4.

I'VE DONE MY WAITING!

WE GOT PIKMIN 4 BEFORE THIS THING!?!
I genuinely kinda feel like Prime 4 moved to Switch 2 at some point in development after they restarted it with Retro in like 2019. Which I mean hey, if they use a new Prime game to really show off the graphical power of the Switch 2 with beautifully rendered lighting and things like that (if the rumored specs are even right, anyway), I wouldn't complain.

Definitely don't think Nintendo will ever show a teaser like that again though, got teased like 3 months after the Switch dropped and might not even be on it anymore lmao
 
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I genuinely kinda feel like Prime 4 moved to Switch 2 at some point in development after they restarted it with Retro in like 2019. Which I mean hey, if they use a new Prime game to really show off the graphical power of the Switch 2 with beautifully rendered lighting and things like that (if the rumored specs are even right, anyway), I wouldn't complain.

Definitely don't think Nintendo will ever show a teaser like that again though, got teased like 3 months after the Switch dropped and might not even be on it anymore lmao
I called that as soon as it was delayed, not gonna lie. At most, a cross-gen release like Breath of the Wild (Or Twilight Princess). I think the one thing I didn't predict was that the Switch 2 would drop eight years after the Switch, not the usual six years
 

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At most, a cross-gen release like Breath of the Wild (Or Twilight Princess).
See, I would maybe agree with that, but I don't know that Metroid really has the pull to go for a cross-gen release? I mean Zelda? Sure, it's done it before (Twilight Princess on the Gamecube and Wii). But Zelda has never really been a small name, and considering we were coming off the Wii U most people were likely to buy it on the new system anyway, and they did, since BotW's sales as of last sales reports were 30+ million, which means it sold twice as many copies as the Wii U sold systems and then some.

Metroid just hit its highest numbers on the Switch with Dread selling 3 million units. Still very good, and you'd wanna keep the momentum going for the series somehow, but I don't think those are numbers you wanna bank a cross-gen release on, especially if there's as big a power difference between Switch and Switch 2 as has been rumored (which granted may not be the case, but still).

I think ironically the Pikmin 4 comparison is more apt. Pikmin 4 was said to be "almost done" in 2015 during the Wii U era and didn't come out until 2023 on the Switch, so I wouldn't really be too surprised if Prime 4 was teased in 2017 during the Switch era and didn't come out until 2025 on the Switch 2 lol
 
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My hopes for the direct: Wario Land Shake It HD. If the graphics were hand drawn, then high res versions have to exist somewhere on some hard drive. It shouldn't be too hard to just re-scan the assets and port it to the switch as it's heading out the door. And maybe they could use use to gauge interest for a new wario land for switch 2 🤞
 

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My hopes for the direct: Wario Land Shake It HD. If the graphics were hand drawn, then high res versions have to exist somewhere on some hard drive. It shouldn't be too hard to just re-scan the assets and port it to the switch as it's heading out the door. And maybe they could use use to gauge interest for a new wario land for switch 2 🤞
nintendo are known for keeping the data of all their old games
 

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I want something Professor Layton related. We know that the next game is coming in 2025, but I'm still waiting for a trailer that confirms we're getting all the old English voice actors back.
 
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