Official Next Smash - Speculation & Discussion Thread

[Wonder Smash]

Imagine if this was somehow official and we lived in that timeline
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or even JUST this in Smash 64
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Mario and Sonic in a game during THAT time?

Can you imagine people's reaction to that?

 

[GoldenYuiitusin]

It's cool for a fan game, but I do wonder what we could've gotten in her place among potential clone choices, heh. Boshi, I guess?

Square: "Pay up, sucker"

 

[Shinuto]

Mario and Sonic in a game during THAT time?

Can you imagine people's reaction to that?

It wouldve been unironically epic, in an era where theres NO social media to leak **** or spoil people, pretty much everyone would unlock and find out about Sonic in Smash 64 naturally. Hell it ALMOST couldve actually happpened had Sega contacted Sakurai earlier for Melee. goddamn that wouldve been nuts for me to see as a kid who was super into Sonic.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Square: "Pay up, sucker"

Okay, it'd be Shadow.

If only cause Metal Mario is already usable anyway.

 

[GoldenYuiitusin]

Okay, it'd be Shadow.

If only cause Metal Mario is already usable anyway.

Depends on when the game existed.
Since Shadow's from 2001.
Though so is the BFD incarnation of Conker.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Depends on when the game existed.
Since Shadow's from 2001.
Though so is the BFD incarnation of Conker.

Derp, I forgot Adventure 2 released way later. Yeah, Conker wouldn’t work either that well.

Metal Sonic could, at least. But who could replace Conker by using another as a base(akin to a Ness situation, so not really a clone of any sort).

 

[GoldenYuiitusin]

Derp, I forgot Adventure 2 released way later. Yeah, Conker wouldn’t work either that well.

Metal Sonic could, at least. But who could replace Conker by using another as a base(akin to a Ness situation, so not really a clone of any sort).

I mean to be fair, Conker could still work.
He'd just....be based on Pocket Tales and the original concept of the N64 game before it was revamped into BFD.

 

[RealLuigisWearPink]

What would an Atari rep be?

Bentley Bear? Asteroids Ship? Adventure Square? Centipede?

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

I mean to be fair, Conker could still work.
He'd just....be based on Pocket Tales and the original concept of the N64 game before it was revamped into BFD.

Eh, that'd be much less interesting. But fair.

Still, what are your thoughts on another Model Swap Fighter(that isn't a clone) that could even work as an option at this point? XD

 

[GoldenYuiitusin]

Eh, that'd be much less interesting. But fair.

Still, what are your thoughts on another Model Swap Fighter(that isn't a clone) that could even work as an option at this point? XD

The one Sakurai considered for the same role as Jigglypuff.

 

[Will]

What would an Atari rep be?

Bentley Bear? Asteroids Ship? Adventure Square? Centipede?

Tagline: E.T. phones home!

 

[CannonStreak]

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Tagline: E.T. phones home!

And ruins the video game industry again by being in Smash.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

You know what isn't necessary, but would be really cool? Another Flat Zone track. Both of the tracks are original but I'd love for more. Plus it would help with the musical variety for Flat Zone X.

 

[cashregister9]

What would an Atari rep be?

Bentley Bear? Asteroids Ship? Adventure Square? Centipede?

The Iconic Atari Character

TWN444

 

[Capybara Gaming]

For this final Spirit event, I'm just hoping they cover Wonder, Showtime, Engage, and Forgotten Land. That way we have all the big post-Ultimate releases repped at least by something.

 

[Will]

You know what isn't necessary, but would be really cool? Another Flat Zone track. Both of the tracks are original but I'd love for more. Plus it would help with the musical variety for Flat Zone X.

Every Flat Zone track is a banger. It’s the same thing as YouTubers who make remixes out of sound effects.

The composer takes random bleeps and bloops and makes fire

 

[Hadokeyblade]

What would an Atari rep be?

Bentley Bear? Asteroids Ship? Adventure Square? Centipede?

The Super saiyan, Son Goku

 

[GoldenYuiitusin]

The Super saiyan, Son Goku

**** that.


Our REAL Atari rep:

 

[Kirbeh]

Not necessarily, I think I came off as being way more harsh about it than it meant to be (Poe's law and all that) but every time I see a Wario moveset online 9 times out of 10 it is just adding a bunch of Wario Land references in place of any sort of design.

I think that's fair, mirroring what Golden said, even though I'm a bigger Land than Ware fan, I actually really enjoy current Smash Wario and really don't like when the temp transformations get shoehorned into being all his moves. The shoulder bash was the big glaring oddity (Brawl)/omission (Smash 4) and I'm okay with its implementation as dash attack now. I guess for me, I just think it'd be nice if he had a few more nods like chucking opponents across the screen as a forward throw or even something as simple as an uppercut for his up throw to reference his more "brash tough guy(?)" side of things, I guess. {Plus, the latter doubles as a Mario 64 DS mini game reference.} I enjoy how goofy Wario is, after all that's a part of who he is, but I do think his move set could stand to be a little more balanced on his overall characterization. I don't want a complete overhaul, just a couple little things.

 

[Oracle Link]

Fun question does toon link even count as a newcomer?
I mean hes literally just a new version of young link? And up to ultimate it seemed they were content with just never having yung again!

What do you guys think it'll take to finally get a Zelda newcomer?

Well we shouldve gotten Like Link, Toon link, zelda, ganon(dorf) and 4 others!

But in this age of nintendo characters being "Wasted Slots" Only pokemon, mario and for some reason fire emblem get any character love!

 

[Perkilator]

I had a dream last night that the final Spirit Event was about Wario’s birthday.

 

[Stratos]

The games I'm considering for the next Nintendo console are the following:


New Super Mario games (a 3D Super Mario game and a 2D Super Mario Bros. game)

Luigi's Mansion 4

New Yoshi game

New Donkey Kong Country

New The Legend of Zelda game

Pokémon 10th Gen

New Metroid games (Metroid Prime 4 and a 2D Metroid game)

Xenoblade Chronicles 4

Pikmin 5

New Kirby game

Splatoon 4

Super Smash Bros. 6

I forgot to add something about the Mario games and that is that I also want a new Paper Mario game.

 

[GoldenYuiitusin]

I had a dream last night that the final Spirit Event was about Wario’s birthday.

Ay Dios Mio, we'd be waiting until October.

 

[Perkilator]

Actually, while we’re on the topic of alternate timelines: here’s a fantasy Smash roster I made recently using TierMaker, with fighters sorted by the Smash game I could see them appearing in.
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Bump

 

[Jave]

Every Flat Zone track is a banger. It’s the same thing as YouTubers who make remixes out of sound effects.

The composer takes random bleeps and bloops and makes fire

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While I do love the retro music tracks made entirely of sound effects, I really wish the G&W stages could take music from the Game & Watch Gallery games.

 

[fogbadge]

While I do love the retro music tracks made entirely of sound effects, I really wish the G&W stages could take music from the Game & Watch Gallery games.

ah yes the game where i thought peach got the frying pan from

 

[Mamboo07]

New Yoshi game

Watch it be another arts and crafts since we haven't gotten a new Island game since the 3DS.

 

[CapitaineCrash]

You know what isn't necessary, but would be really cool? Another Flat Zone track. Both of the tracks are original but I'd love for more. Plus it would help with the musical variety for Flat Zone X.

I'd like a new Flat zone stage too, not that the one that we have is bad, but I feel like there's a lot of untouched potential with the concept. You could have a new version with games like Parachute, Turtle bridge, Greenhouse and Octopus for example.

But yeah on the topic of music, the way Ultimate handles music, while overall I'd say it's positive, but it also leads to a few problems. Flat zone have not enough music, some of the Others music fits on none of the Others stages, and I think the worst part is the fact that they decided to put Mario and Mario kart as two separate franchise so the Rainbow road medley can't even be on the Mario galaxy stage.

 

[Guynamednelson]

and I think the worst part is the fact that they decided to put Mario and Mario kart as two separate franchise so the Rainbow road medley can't even be on the Mario galaxy stage.

It's always been like that, it's just easier to notice when despite the game having the premise of being able to play any Mario/Zelda/Pokemon etc. song on any of their stages, Mario Kart stages are restricted to MK songs.

 

[CapitaineCrash]

It's always been like that, it's just easier to notice when despite the game having the premise of being able to play any Mario/Zelda/Pokemon etc. song on any of their stages, Mario Kart stages are restricted to MK songs.

Oh yeah you're right, I really thought that the Rainbow road medley was on Mario galaxy on Wii U.

 

[Wonder Smash]

You know, I've been thinking about it and I'm not expecting it to happen but it would be awesome if they added a Chrono Trigger spirit event as a tribute to Akira Toriyama.

 

[Gorgonzales]

But yeah on the topic of music, the way Ultimate handles music, while overall I'd say it's positive, but it also leads to a few problems. Flat zone have not enough music, some of the Others music fits on none of the Others stages, and I think the worst part is the fact that they decided to put Mario and Mario kart as two separate franchise so the Rainbow road medley can't even be on the Mario galaxy stage.

I really don't like how they made it so that any song can play on BF or FD. 75% of the songs in this game don't fit FD and make the setting feel like a complete joke, I wish they kept just Smash-original music playing on those stages. Whenever I watch a VoD of a competitive match and hear Animal Crossing music playing on those stages I'm mentally like "ugggghhhhhhhhh......"

 

[Kirbeh]

I really don't like how they made it so that any song can play on BF or FD. 75% of the songs in this game don't fit FD and make the setting feel like a complete joke, I wish they kept just Smash-original music playing on those stages. Whenever I watch a VoD of a competitive match and hear Animal Crossing music playing on those stages I'm mentally like "ugggghhhhhhhhh......"

They really should just make another super basic layout as an actual selectable training stage (or something also generic but not "grandiose" like BF/FD I guess?) and give that one the "any/all" music role.

 

[Perkilator]

So I guess I'm alone in wishing that you could freely play any song on any stage? Aw...

 

[GoldenYuiitusin]

I really don't like how they made it so that any song can play on BF or FD. 75% of the songs in this game don't fit FD and make the setting feel like a complete joke, I wish they kept just Smash-original music playing on those stages. Whenever I watch a VoD of a competitive match and hear Animal Crossing music playing on those stages I'm mentally like "ugggghhhhhhhhh......"

You can literally toggle it so it just uses what you have set for My Music on those particular stages rather than all stages.

 

[Kirbeh]

You can literally toggle it so it just uses what you have set for My Music on those particular stages rather than all stages.

But the TOs don't which is what Gorgonzales was getting at. I can't imagine they'd ever actually bother to do that though so I don't think there's much that can be done for tournaments.

 

[Ivander]

So I guess I'm alone in wishing that you could freely play any song on any stage? Aw...

While I don't think that will happen, I'd at least like an option to have 1 or a couple of tracks be freely chosen from a stage unto another stage. Just because there are some songs from a stage that would certainly fit better on another stage than on the stage it's on, like Mad Monster Mansion from Banjo-Kazooie on Luigi's Mansion or to allow some stages to have a bit more music in general, like the Boxing Ring, which could certainly benefit from a couple Street Fighter or King of Fighters songs being an option.

 

[Stratos]

Watch it be another arts and crafts since we haven't gotten a new Island game since the 3DS.

As long as it's a Yoshi platform game, whether it's art or craft.

 

[YeppersPeppers]

The music customization options in Ultimate took some good steps forward but also a step back, imo. Allowing songs from a franchise to be played on all of that franchises stages is solid, and of course being able to play EVERY song on BF and FD is very, very cool. However, removing the ability to play miscellaneous category songs on main franchise stages has taken away the cool theming and even references that some misc. songs had when paired with certain stages. Stuff like:

"Tunnel Scene - X" on Lylat Cruise (some of the X devs would go on to make StarFox, also just cool space themeing)
"The valedictory elegy" on Gaur Plain (Monolith Soft connection)
"Tomorrow's Passion" on Boxing Ring (which I'm almost certain is one of the only reasons the song was included in the first place)

And so on. Kinda lame, honestly.

 

[superprincess]

The music customization options in Ultimate took some good steps forward but also a step back, imo. Allowing songs from a franchise to be played on all of that franchises stages is solid, and of course being able to play EVERY song on BF and FD is very, very cool. However, removing the ability to play miscellaneous category songs on main franchise stages has taken away the cool theming and even references that some misc. songs had when paired with certain stages. Stuff like:

"Tunnel Scene - X" on Lylat Cruise (some of the X devs would go on to make StarFox, also just cool space themeing)
"The valedictory elegy" on Gaur Plain (Monolith Soft connection)
"Tomorrow's Passion" on Boxing Ring (which I'm almost certain is one of the only reasons the song was included in the first place)

And so on. Kinda lame, honestly.

Agreed.

It also led to my biggest pet peeve in Ultimate – the fact that the Super Mario World tracks cannot be played on Yoshi's Island (Melee) because they're from the Mario universe whereas the stage is from the Yoshi universe.