Next Gen

[Bowser King]

Yeah I always like the triangles.
So whats gonna be the go?
How are we collecting all the opinion and suggestions so far and how are the final decisions sifted out from just ideas?

Edit: I have some ideas for the opposing force/team and plot also..

We seem to have some good info. I'll list possible choices on the Op later today and we can add new ones, eliminate some old ones and keep going from there till we have a solid list I guess.


Remember, you dont need to always post amazingly important pokes. You can make some others like evolutions and new ideas.

-Bowser King

 

[Greenstreet]

Then in that case, I suggest that this strapping young lad be the template for our Generations rodent.

 

[XACE-K]

Have otters been used yet? Cause if they haven't, one should be the water starter IMO.

As for new pokemon that come from existing pokemon:

- baby Scyther
- baby Kangaskhan that evolves either into Kangaskhan or a new pokemon depedning on gender (female & male respectively)
- baby Tauros and Miltank that follows the same situation as Kangaskhan
- evolutions of Banette and Electrode; the pokemon I feel that are their counterparts (Dusclops and Magneton) got evolutions so they should too

 

[Greenstreet]

Otter is a good idea, but so is a squid.. I am quite conflicted...

 

[Bowser King]

We need a

binturong pokemon

He could be our generic normal type you find at the starting.

-Bowser King

 

[Da-D-Mon-109]

:flame:
Not to be Racist, but the only Black Pokemon Trainer I have ever seen was Phobe from the Hoen Elite 4. And we're in the dropics. Not only should everyone be in either Hawaiian outfits or Swimsuits (I still think that all females should be required to wear Bikinis), but atleast one other trainer (possibly the champion) needs to be Black.

And Tropius needs to have an Evolved Form in this, since he is the Tropical Pokemon.

ALSO, THE PSUEDO LEGENDARY FOR THIS GENERATION WITH THE BASE 600 STAT TOTAL SHOULD BE A KILLER WHALE! Or a Grass Pokemon that is similarly strong (I'm about to go on vacation, and we'll be near Sea-World, so I just thought...).
:flame:

 

[Bowser King]

All right, we have the idea for the starters.

Grass

-Monkey
-Tree climbing Squid

Water

-Squid
-Lizard thing on the first page
-Otter

Fire

-Dragon
-Lemur
-Red Panda

EDIT: We'll come back to this when we make out the region more.

-Bowser King

 

[Da-D-Mon-109]

:flame:
Please someone give me back up on my Fire Dragon. I'll be going on vacation tomorrow, and I'll be gone for a week... ;.;

I thought that it's base form would somewhat resemble the Geiko Lizard, only a little cuter, then it would be a semi more monstrous form, not quite strong enough to be able to stand straight up and assume it's Godzilla like form, but somewhat capable of no longer needing to crawl on all 4s, eventually becoming a being that rivals Tyranitar in monstrousness, only with better skin and fire coming out of his back.

These are the forms that I see in my mind's eye of the Fire Starter, only all of them Red, with the first form being read and cuter, the 2nd form having 1 small row of flames coming down its back, and then the last form's skin not being quite that rough, but otherwise looking the same.

And I've heard a few people mention a Zebra possibly to be a starter. That would be cool.

 

[Firus]

Meh, I think fire dragon is too cliched and too much of a repeat of Charizard, personally. I've always wanted a Grass Dragon.

I think we should have a water cat (ironic, but that's the point), in the form of a jaguar for the tropical setting, and...

Hm, I'm going to have to go with a fire lemur. Like, just imagine this picture, but with the lemur fiery.

Would that not be totally bad***?

 

[Spire]

I want to see a more exotic, tropical region...

Did you not play Ruby, Sapphire, or Emerald?

 

[Da-D-Mon-109]

Meh, I think fire dragon is too cliched and too much of a repeat of Charizard, personally. I've always wanted a Grass Dragon.

:flame:
But we've already had a Dragon Like Grass Starter (Sceptile). Charizard is shaped like a Dragon, but he isn't one. He's only Fire Flying, and that was never ever fixe d... He should have been a Dragon, and it's about time we get an actual Fire Dragon.

Against the Lemur, we did just have a Fire Monkey.... if it was another type, that wouldn't be bad, but we JUST had a Fire Monkey. The Lemur isn't that distant from the Monkey.

And do you know what is Cliched? In horror movies, the Black Guy is always the first Significant Victim. -.-
:flame:

 

[Firus]

Did you not play Ruby, Sapphire, or Emerald?

That's exactly what I thought when I saw that comment.

:flame:
But we've already had a Dragon Like Grass Starter (Sceptile).

Treecko = Gecko
Grovyle = Reptile
Sceptile = Reptile

Doesn't really scream dragon to me...

Charizard is shaped like a Dragon, but he isn't one. He's only Fire Flying, and that was never ever fixe d... He should have been a Dragon, and it's about time we get an actual Fire Dragon.

He's not a dragon TYPE...but design-wise, if he's not a dragon, then I'm not a human. Just because he doesn't have the dragon type attached doesn't mean they should re-create him just to do so.

Against the Lemur, we did just have a Fire Monkey.... if it was another type, that wouldn't be bad, but we JUST had a Fire Monkey. The Lemur isn't that distant from the Monkey.

It's a primate, but it's not a monkey. I thought of that myself, but the lemur isn't a monkey and if it's designed right it won't look similar.

And do you know what is Cliched? In horror movies, the Black Guy is always the first Significant Victim. -.-
:flame:

Um...that doesn't really counter what I said, and I've never noticed that...

 

[CRASHiC]

Fire starter should be a Red panda.

Should have an amazingly long tail by the time it gets done evolving. Should be a top of the line annoyer with some great offensive options and moderate access to grass moves. I wouldn't hesitate to call it a Glass Annoyer, like Sceptile. At the moment, Ninetails is the only fire annoyer, and a rather piss poor one at that. Should have a very high speed stat, high attack, and its move pool must have willowwisp, substitute, slack off, toxic, and a great deal of other annoyer tricks as well as an option to fireblitz. Drain Punch and Focus Punch would also be a great addition to its move pool. Its ability would have something to do with blinding the opponent when he comes into play, lowering their accuracy.

I support the squid as well, though how would we avoid a tenacrule rip off?
Someone mentioned a seal I believe. Other than a select few, Water has taken the defensive rout. The seal pokemon could give us a chance to change this. We give it the ability to cause a continuous rainstorm, already making it an ideal counter to most Sandstorm and Hail teams. It should have a monstrous speed stat, and a very high special attack. Essentially, this is the special version of Gyardoes. However, in order to keep it from obtaining that title, we should also give it the option to baton pass, and along with Vaporeon, this essentially makes a second type of Rainstorm team, where half ot the team is also designed to be a baton passer. Of course, you wouldn't have to pass to a water pokemon to get the full effect. Passing to a pokemon that has a fire weakness would also benefit greatly, or a pokemon that knows Thunder or has access to water moves.

As for Grass, try out a panther. No ideas for how it would play yet though.

 

[Spire]

It's a primate, but it's not a monkey. I thought of that myself, but the lemur isn't a monkey and if it's designed right it won't look similar.

Lemurs and monkeys are still related. Come on... just because it seems like it'd be cool, doesn't mean it would work. Besides, the Lemur is a unique looking creature. I'd rather see it appear as a very rare wild Pokemon.

I honestly wouldn't even begin to designate what the starters should be. If anything, they should be the last Pokemon chosen; those that fit in, and perfectly represent the world that they are a part of, which means the Pokedex, geography, climate, everything. Literally, you have to take into consideration everything, or else you're going to have a conglomerate game with Pokemon who were obviously not chosen well (errr Sinnoh...).

 

[CRASHiC]

I disagree. The starters are generally the basis of strategy for much of the game in my opinion. If you make the starters, you can create pokemon to go in specific teams and fill certain roles, adding to a general strategic element in the game.
Also, I just realized we already have 2 seal pokemon in the game.
New idea, water Snake

 

[Spire]

I disagree. The starters are generally the basis of strategy for much of the game in my opinion. If you make the starters, you can create pokemon to go in specific teams and fill certain roles, adding to a general strategic element in the game.
Also, I just realized we already have 2 seal pokemon in the game.
New idea, water Snake

Wait wait, let me ask this:

Are we trying to figure out the absolute most likely setup for the 5th Gen (just like the SSB4 group), or are we just fantasizing about what we want? If its the former, then you might as well make the starters first. If its the latter, then design them last.

EDIT: Red Panda is the best idea ever for a Fire starter. You have my support.

 

[Circa]

Did you not play Ruby, Sapphire, or Emerald?

I thought this as well at first, but then I remembered that R/S/E was actually more ocean-based, and that although slightly tropical, the only area that can truly be considered tropical was around Fortree City (I think that's it...correct me if I'm wrong). Because of this, it had very few Pokemon that represent the tropics, and that leaves an almost completely untapped group of animals, plants, and other such things to base Pokemon off of. In all honesty, I actually think they couldn't have chosen a better or easier area to work with as far as creativity goes.

I disagree. The starters are generally the basis of strategy for much of the game in my opinion. If you make the starters, you can create pokemon to go in specific teams and fill certain roles, adding to a general strategic element in the game.
Also, I just realized we already have 2 seal pokemon in the game.
New idea, water Snake

I agree with Spire. Starters get created last, if this thread seems to be what I think it is. If anything, you create the landscape and plot first and second. They create the outline for everything else created in the game, and by doing so it allows you to dive into the Pokemon creating stage with little to no question of whether certain Pokemon will fit in or not. As Spire said, the starters are basically the Pokemon that have to fit the game flawlessly. It is what designates the difference between the starter and basically every other Pokemon introduced in its respective game.

I also have an idea for a plot, if this is to be creating a Pokemon game instead of thinking of what's coming out next gen. I'll post it separately, however, for the sake of this post not being too long and cluttered.

 

[CRASHiC]

We are fantasizing. But there are people with the ability to create their own. And generally, i don't know if its just me, I fantasize about new team options and ways to improve diversity and competitive gaming.
Actually, I don't see why Shoddy or Netbattle doesn't do this.

For instance, when I picked out the way for the fire and the water to play against each other, I gave the fire the ability to annoy the water into submission, fast annoyers being the best counters to sweepers in my opinion. Now I'm considering the best way to take down the little fire annoyer with a grass pokemon, making them even out. Cleric tank is an option. I also looked what was missing from the last gen when I made them. Fire has little other than offensive options, water very little offensive options, and I'm taking a look at grass currently.

 

[Firus]

Fire starter should be a Red panda.

Ironically, I always found lemurs and red pandas to be very similar-looking...

Lemurs and monkeys are still related. Come on... just because it seems like it'd be cool, doesn't mean it would work.

Well...how else am I supposed to judge it, exactly?

 

[Bowser King]

Agreed. Red Panda sounds like an awesome fire starter. Fire/Dragon sounds to cliche.

Maybe as a new pokemon but not a starter.

As for which one we should do first and last. I leave that to you guys. We still need to design what we will do first and then what we should move unto.

Should we go with the basic idea of how the area should look or should we decide the creatures that inhabit it and then move from there?

When we can get things straitened out, I'll update the OP

-Bowser King

 

[CRASHiC]

Grass is difficult. Is their anything Grass doesn't already have?
They have clerics, sweepers, and annoyers as well as tanks, I'm not sure what to add, except that I don't see a cleric-sweeper, or a physical sweeper, which would be a brand new idea, but would make all three starters offensive based. As of right now, the only option I see to make a balanced starter team, is to make a cleric that is more appealing than Blissey.
Though, the idea of a physcial sweeper-cleric puma attracts me. Perhaps a pokemon idea rather a starter.
Also, so everyone knows, each water starter must be a land animal, in case you have noticed.

I say we decide on the area first, before anything that needs to get done because everything revolves around that.

 

[Firus]

I vote area first. Depending on how the areas pan out we need to make different types of Pokemon. For example, if we have a snowy region, we need to add a few good Ice types. If it's very ocean-based, water. Forest, grass. Desert, ground. We need to balance the types anyways, but if half the world is some sort of forest, it makes sense to have a larger variety of grass types and have some good evolution lines for them.

I mean, we're focusing on tropical Pokemon right now but we may decide in the end that we don't want that. The last thing we want to do is have a ton of tropical ideas and then shift over to a more barren (hm, all of a sudden I'm wondering if that's where "Orre" comes from...) region.

Also, we need some sort of volcano area (BEFORE the Elite Four), or maybe something similar to the Burned Mansion/Tower. We need a place in which fire types can thrive, so we can do what Nintendo hasn't done; balance the types a little better.

 

[Bowser King]

I say we decide on the area first, before anything that needs to get done because everything revolves around that.

Sounds good to me.

EDIT: ..and what firus said.

-Bowser King

 

[Da-D-Mon-109]

:flame:
A Red Panda? Okay, that is an acceptable substitute for a Fire Starter, but only because of how awesome Master Shifu is.

And as for the area, one of the final gyms (or possible the Pokemon League) should be hidden either Below the Ocean (Time for HM Slaves to learn Dive again) or behind a Waterfall (That would be so cool, holding up 8 Badges and making the Waterfall split apart to reveal the Final Arena...).
:flame:

 

[CRASHiC]

No, we will always have a snowy area.
Things like that are always in pokemon games.
What we need is a general idea.
Exotic is a general idea.
Or maybe we should pick a part of the world and base it off that. Like South America.
Or Australia and the Indonesian Islands.

 

[Firus]

Below the ocean would be interesting if it weren't for the fact that Sootopolis was basically that...I mean, you went up first, but realistically a gym ACTUALLY underwater would be destroyed from pressure or flooded every time someone enters.

Pokemon isn't exactly realistic, but if we're making the ideas ourselves I'd rather not defy the laws of physics and gravity.

It is a really epic idea, it just...wouldn't work out in the end.

 

[Bowser King]

No, we will always have a snowy area.
Things like that are always in pokemon games.
What we need is a general idea.
Exotic is a general idea.
Or maybe we should pick a part of the world and base it off that. Like South America.
Or Australia and the Indonesian Islands.

Yes, but expanding on the "general idea" is always good too.

-Bowser King

 

[XACE-K]

If you have any new ideas just post them and they will be added (or if I missed any).

My otter idea for water type.

Fire starter should be a Red panda.

Agreed.

As for area.... I have no idea. I gotta think of some.

 

[Firus]

No, we will always have a snowy area.
Things like that are always in pokemon games.
What we need is a general idea.
Exotic is a general idea.
Or maybe we should pick a part of the world and base it off that. Like South America.
Or Australia and the Indonesian Islands.

Actually, there's only been one snowy area in the Pokemon games...and as for icy caves, there's been one in every game, but the one floor of Shoal Cave in R/S/E doesn't really count.

And just because the games have always had them doesn't mean that we will necessarily include them. There are staples and then there are places where we should be more creative. As I said, fire's always been in a minority, perhaps we could make a world that's more overwhelmingly fire to counter the lack of fire in previous games? This is our ideal world, not necessarily just an expansion on Nintendo's.

Besides, I'm talking more large-scale. I don't mean just one thing, I'm thinking if we're going to have an entire region snowy like Sinnoh, or a large section of ocean like Hoenn, or maybe a lot of desert like Orre.

Not even just that type, but variations of other types similar. E.g., Cacnea is a Grass-type, but it fits with a desert theme.

 

[CRASHiC]

Personally, I like the idea of Australia and the Indonesian islands as the basis for the basic layout.
Of course, we couldn't just copy the layout, that wouldn't work well for diversity, and we would have a large desert section.
Having a large main section, and a large portion of surrounding islands is something I would like, because islands can be very original, they can be cities, icy mountain tops, volcanoes, grassy canopies, caves, and so much more.
I originally gave it as an example, but I kind of like it now.

 

[Da-D-Mon-109]

Below the ocean would be interesting if it weren't for the fact that Sootopolis was basically that...I mean, you went up first, but realistically a gym ACTUALLY underwater would be destroyed from pressure or flooded every time someone enters.

Pokemon isn't exactly realistic, but if we're making the ideas ourselves I'd rather not defy the laws of physics and gravity.

It is a really epic idea, it just...wouldn't work out in the end.

:flame:
Dude, Sootopolis is a city INSIDE of a dead volcano. Also, these people have had gym battles ontop of Volcanos where nearly everything in existance is burned alive just from the heat radiating from it. I don't think it would be too unrealistic for the people to say they are using new technology to allow them to try creating homes in previously unlivable locations.

And dude, Blissey defies the laws of Gravity. And many creatures can defy the Laws of Physics. It's too late for that.

I don't see how it wouldn't work. honestly. And there is no reason for the Elite 4 to not be hidden within an Island Base, and you have to use your 8 Badges at a Waterfall to open the path to get to them.

I like the idea of Island hoping from town to town, but Pokemon will be required to learn Surf pretty quickly. Or a boat would have to be involved in the early part of the story line (kinda like the 3rd Generation). I'd prefer to be able to surf the waves on my Giant Squid.
:flame:

 

[Bowser King]

:flame:
Dude, Sootopolis is a city INSIDE of a dead volcano. Also, these people have had gym battles ontop of Volcanos where nearly everything in existance is burned alive just from the heat radiating from it. I don't think it would be too unrealistic for the people to say they are using new technology to allow them to try creating homes in previously unlivable locations.

So, this new technology can stop water from coming when you open a door underwater?

And dude, Blissey defies the laws of Gravity. And many creatures can defy the Laws of Physics. It's too late for that.

I don't see how it wouldn't work. honestly.

Blissey? How? I'd like you to name a couple that can defy physics. As far as I can tell, there aren't any.

"It's to late for that"

Again, this is our project. Not nintendos >_>

-Bowser King

 

[Firus]

:flame:
Dude, Sootopolis is a city INSIDE of a dead volcano.

And you reach it by going underwater...

Also, these people have had gym battles ontop of Volcanos where nearly everything in existance is burned alive just from the heat radiating from it.

Are you talking about the anime...? 'Cause I'll be honest, I really don't care much what they do in the anime...

I don't think it would be too unrealistic for the people to say they are using new technology to allow them to try creating homes in previously unlivable locations.

And dude, Blissey defies the laws of Gravity. And many creatures can defy the Laws of Physics. It's too late for that.

I don't see how it wouldn't work. honestly.
:flame:

Ignoring pressure, you'd still need to have some way of opening the door without a flood occurring in the Gym.

I'll repeat what I said.

Pokemon isn't exactly realistic, but if we're making the ideas ourselves I'd rather not defy the laws of physics and gravity.

The argument of precedence really doesn't convince me.

 

[Jimnymebob]

Could we not just have the region as a cave and have a crap load of Zubat?

 

[CRASHiC]

AND BREELOOM!
BREELOOM AND ZUBAT EVERYWHERE!
caps

 

[PsychoIncarnate]

Personally, I like the idea of Australia and the Indonesian islands as the basis for the basic layout.
Of course, we couldn't just copy the layout, that wouldn't work well for diversity, and we would have a large desert section.
Having a large main section, and a large portion of surrounding islands is something I would like, because islands can be very original, they can be cities, icy mountain tops, volcanoes, grassy canopies, caves, and so much more.
I originally gave it as an example, but I kind of like it now.

I also liked the idea of Australia for the basis, it could have some interesting pokemon.

But than I was thinking about having a South American basis for the elements of how unknown and dangerous some areas are and exotic festive spirits

 

[Firus]

Could we not just have the region as a cave and have a crap load of Zubat?

Then everyone would be vampires. >_>

Although that DOES bring up an interesting point. Dig used like Dive, maybe? Perhaps an underground town/cave town? That would be sort of interesting.

 

[Da-D-Mon-109]

:flame:
I was making a joke about the techniques "Gravity" and "Trick Room".

And it's not exactly new technology to use Underwater Airlocks, like how they do it in Submarines or Deep See Facilities. I just think that would be cool for a Pokemon game. Using real life technology for something like this would be interesting.

And if a person flatlines for one second but then is saved, can it be said that they are dead? No, it means they flatlined. If you go underwater for just a second to enter, and then never have to do it again, does that make Sootopolis City an Underwater City? I honestly don't see how...

An Underground town would need help not being caved in... DUDE, WHAT IF THE "Team" ATTACKS A TOWN FOR IT'S RELATION TO THE LEGENDARY POKEMON (or simply for whatever they need to continue their schemes) AND YOU HAVE TO HELP STOP THE TOWN FROM COLLAPSING!?! THAT WOULD BE SO COOL!
:flame:

 

[Firus]

:flame:
And if a person flatlines for one second but then is saved, can it be said that they are dead? No, it means they flatlined. If you go underwater for just a second to enter, and then never have to do it again, does that make Sootopolis City an Underwater City? I honestly don't see how...
:flame:

Can you quote where I called it an "underwater city"? I'm pretty sure I didn't...

I was pretty vague in saying it was similar. Not identical, similar.

 

[Da-D-Mon-109]

Can you quote where I called it an "underwater city"? I'm pretty sure I didn't...

I was pretty vague in saying it was similar. Not identical, similar.

:flame:
True, but you seemed to rule the idea out partially because "it had already been done", when it hadn't been...
:flame: