Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[Mastermiine]

Off topic question.

I know it is impossible to answer but do you think the Smash Bros switch edition has characters on the back of the switch like the pokemon one?

 

[GoodGrief741]

Off topic question.

I know it is impossible to answer but do you think the Smash Bros switch edition has characters on the back of the switch like the pokemon one?

Yes

 

[PrinceGal3n]

There is no time to reveal more than 3 unique newcomers from here to December. 1 in October, 2 in November. They definitely aren't adding another 6 unique newcomers, 4 is the ceiling.

Honestly, why not expect more? It has been my honest belief that Sakurai is going above and beyond all of our expectations for this game. I mean just look at all of the new characters we have so far!

Inkling: One of the most popular modern IPs in recent years!

Daisy: Fan favorite princess from Nintendo's flagship series!

Ridley: One of the longest requested characters of all time and revealed right from the start!

Simon/Richter: A beloved character from deep within Nintendo's history and another character as a bonus!

Chrom/Dark Samus/Isabelle: Three popular characters that got left in the dust last game, but now have their chance to shine!

King K. Rool: This guy's very existence in this game should be evidence enough!

I think these choices plus the addition of EVERYONE ELSE from Smash history is an indication that Sakurai is not playing around this time. This isn't even taking into account all of the new balances, changes to existing characters, and modes! So in my opinion, it would be a great disservice to believe that Sakurai isn't watching what we as a community have been talking about for years and trying to make as many of our dreams come true in this installment. So, with that being said, its not that I have astronomical expectations, but I have a gut feeling that this really will be the ULTIMATE Smash Brothers experience.

PLUS, We got 5 of these new characters from a single Direct. If we have another Smash only direct before launch, and lets be real, its gonna happen. We could get the same amount, if not a few more down the line.

 

[cybersai]

There's definitely at least 2-3 newcomers and 2-3 echoes coming. We have 2 1/2 months from the last direct (and remember the direct was delayed a week from early September), so they wouldn't go all that time just with Incineroar as the final reveal

 

[DOTBHDD]

Someone explain to me why there is no King Boo support thread! What the hell is going on here?

 

[Arymle Roseanne]

Someone explain to me why there is no King Boo support thread! What the hell is going on here?

I'm pretty sure there's one if you look for it.

 

[GoodGrief741]

Someone explain to me why there is no King Boo support thread! What the hell is going on here?

There is one, I’ve seen it. In fact, I think there’s one for King Boo and one for a generic Boo.

 

[DOTBHDD]

There is one, I’ve seen it. In fact, I think there’s one for King Boo and one for a generic Boo.

Oh ****!? I can't find it.

 

[Arymle Roseanne]

Oh ****!? I can't find it.

https://smashboards.com/threads/kin...and-a-ghost-of-a-chance.447955/#post-21755835

 

[Captain Shades]

I would like to add that what I said about the music test screen gives us a big hint that we will be getting 3 more new franchises that have multiple music tracks tied to them

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Future DLC can go into the other screen. Also, a retro(which everyone seems to be sleeping on) has to be coming, and they would be in that screen as well. Combine that with the Incineroar leak that means 2 newcomers that we are sure one (Incineroar and retro) will not get new icons. that leaves us with a guaranteed 3 more newcomers at least. And even then, Geno may just be lumped with Mario even if he gets his own stage, so that means we can expect 5-6 more unique newcomers.

With that, stage wise, those 3-4 unique newcomers may have a stage, as retro and incineroar may not get one. I would assume at least 3 of the newcomers would get stages, as they will be getting unique music icons to go with those stages. if the minecraft leak is right, one of those 5 could be the minecraft stage. That still leaves us room for the three newcomers we know have to get stages due to the music icons. Minecraft wouldn't get its own music icon, as well, not much music there. Most likely will go into the other icon like the other stages that have no character tied to them(hamebrow)

so with 5-6 more unique fighters coming, and if the Smashdown theory is right that the final bast roster needs to have a selectable roster thats divisible by 2, 3, or 4(basically a multiple of 12), then 84 final base roster needs to be the thing. given how the website says we currently have 72 selectable fighters(as pokemon trainer counts as 1 and each mii fighter counts as 1), its safe to assume we are getting 12 more fighters. with 5-6 of them being unique, that means we should expect 6-7 echos. I think it may be keeping it safe to say 6 uniques and 6 echos.

as stated before, three of those uniques are pretty much set. A pokemon(Incineroar), a retro(as every game has had one and sakurai will always give us 1 random wtf retro), and a square enix(most likely geno) so the other 3 can be all new franchises if Geno shares the mario icon for music wish, or 2 will and 1 will be a newcomer from a series already in smash.

FOr the retro, thats the hardest to guess. Lip, Mach Rider, Donbe and Hikari, Ayumi Tachibana, Prince Sable, ect. Good luck guessing this one, but any of those, and more, are possible

If we look at the first option, we have quite a few likely choices here for 3 new series reps. Isaac, Banjo and Kazooie, Shantae, Rayman, and a Namco rep(Tales of or Tekken) are the most likely of all those.

If we have the second option, then we will have 2 from the above, and 1 newcomer from a currently represented series. there are far too many to list but likely ones are Bandana Waddle Dee, Elma, and Skullkid. Personally I feel skullkid is a boss as that is what I feel sakurai would do.

Echos there are a bunch of options. Pick 6 of these possible echos. Ken, Medusa, Dixie Kong, Shadow, Ms Pac Man, Impa, Black Shadow, Octoling, Ninten, and Felix.

so with all that said, I think its very safe to assume as these fact prove, we should be getting 12 more selectable fighters.

EDIT: As for DLC, I can see the game being supported for awhile. Likely DLC characters I see are Rex and Pyra, an ARMS fighter, a Dragon quest character(slime or DQ11), a Gen 3 and/or 5 pokemon(Gardevoir), and some of the other newcomers listed above.

Missed this yesterday, but I want to pitch in.

I don’t think the music theory means much in terms of characters, though it could be an indicator, as there can be stages not tied to characters, especially since Hanenbow is there.

Minecraft would also have its own music icon, I looked up playlists and MC‘s ost ranges from around 20 to 60 different tracks, which is certainly enough to get an icon.

As much as I love the idea of a retro rep, it might not actually happen this time. Assuming that Geno is in, him and Krool already get the job done pretty well, and I feel a retro rep would screw up the order, assuming previously hinted at characters are coming.

As for your echos, pretty good list though I only feel that 4 are super likely being Impa, Shadow, Ken, and Dixie Kong. I think your list is actually forgetting Black Knight, a popular FE character that had a Mii costume and is now gone from Castle Seige, and after that it could be a Matthew Echo over Isaac, 3rd Party Echo (Like Alex to Steve), or even an Animal Crossing Echo, Tom Nook preferably. I also forgot the Octolings as a potential echo as they are super popular in the Splatoon fandom.

 

[zferolie]

Missed this yesterday, but I want to pitch in.

I don’t think the music theory means much in terms of characters, though it could be an indicator, as there can be stages not tied to characters, especially since Hanenbow is there.

Minecraft would also have its own music icon, I looked up playlists and MC‘s ost ranges from around 20 to 60 different tracks, which is certainly enough to get an icon.

As much as I love the idea of a retro rep, it might not actually happen this time. Assuming that Geno is in, him and Krool already get the job done pretty well, and I feel a retro rep would screw up the order, assuming previously hinted at characters are coming.

As for your echos, pretty good list though I only feel that 4 are super likely being Impa, Shadow, Ken, and Dixie Kong. I think your list is actually forgetting Black Knight, a popular FE character that had a Mii costume and is now gone from Castle Seige, and after that it could be a Matthew Echo over Isaac, 3rd Party Echo (Like Alex to Steve), or even an Animal Crossing Echo, Tom Nook preferably. I also forgot the Octolings as a potential echo as they are super popular in the Splatoon fandom.

Huh never realized Minecraft had that much music... i suppose if we get a minecraft stage it would be possible for it to get an icon, as crazy as that is haha. It would be the only stage with no character(unless we do get steve... which is possible but I feel... odd about)

Are you talking about how Sakurai so far has revealed every character, baring inkling, in the order of their release? I suppose thats still a decent theory, but then Geno if he is in would throw that theory completely out, so a retro wouldn't be farfetched. And we have had multiple retros in 1 game. Ice CLimbers and Game and watch in melee, and Pit and ROB in Brawl, though the retro is concidered the later for each of those games i beleive.

yeah I feel those are the most likely. I still like Medusa a lot as if fits the heroes vs villain theme we seem to be having, and the lack of any KI info on the site forever is odd. Black Knight... from what I have seen he moves and fights nothing like Ike. Personally I feel like he could be a boss like Skullkid. If I forgot the octolings thats my bad totally meant to put them there. And I assume you mean Matthew over Felix right, as Isaac is most likely the main if we get a Golden sun character.

 

[blueneuronDOTnet]

There's a potential newcomer to whom the following applies:

Newcomer was very popular on the ballot, and received a Mii costume.
This newcomer received considerable support for both Brawl and Smash 4, and did so well on Nintendo's Smash Ballot that he received a Mii costume in the same wave as two other characters that have already been turned into full fighters.

Newcomer's series has an incredibly strong history with Nintendo. (Bestseller, Console bundle.)
This newcomer's original game was one of the best selling games on the Nintendo Gamecube and the Nintendo DS. He also has games on the Nintendo Wii, the Nintendo 3DS, and the SNES. This newcomer's game was so successful that it received its own Gamecube bundle with a console themed after his game.

Newcomer's series has two new mothership titles coming to the Nintendo Switch soon.
The series this newcomer stems from has one game scheduled for release and one game scheduled for reveal within one month of Smash Ultimate's release. Both are likely to be system sellers.

Sakurai has openly said that this newcomer is the undeniable, definitive representative for his series.
In an interview from 2016 - a full year after Smash Ultimate's project plan was finished - Sakurai stated that this newcomer is without a doubt the only real pick to represent his franchise. It also doesn't hurt that this newcomer's game is not only the most successful entry in the series, but also that it was the series' breakthrough entry in the west.

Newcomer's Developers are working with Sakurai, and are openly pushing for Newcomer.
This newcomer's game and series director is part of the Smash Ultimate development team, and is openly pushing Sakurai to include this newcomer and his series. A considerable portion of this newcomer's original development team is also working on Smash Ultimate.

Newcomer comes from a tremendously successful series.
Newcomer's series is one of the most commercially successful and culturally significant properties in its genre, with 25+ million in mothership title sales, and over 2 billion in total franchise sales. Several animes, mangas, movies, audio dramas, and escort titles. Sells tons of merchandise and auxiliary licenses. Series has an annual festival dedicated to it, hosted in soccer stadiums with over 20k annual attendees. Series was considered for a ride at Universal Studios Japan, alongside franchises like Sailor Moon, Final Fantasy, and Detective Conan.

Newcomer is a natural fit for Smash, moveset is already in the game.
The series this newcomer comes from utilizes a combat system that strongly resembles Smash Bros in a number of ways. There are four directional specials, four directional jabs, four directional smashes, taunts, a dodge, and an ultimate attack. This newcomer fits so well that 90% of his moveset is already in the game - the only attacks missing are his side-smash and his ultimate.

Unlike before, Newcomer's voice actor has deliberately and consistently avoided Smash-related questions.
This newcomer's voice actor used to responded to Smash-related questions on social media, both during Brawl and Smash 4's lead up. This has not been the case during the lead up to Smash Ultimate though, as his voice actor has ignored every Smash-related question posed.

Newcomer has several potential gimmicks that could make his gameplay incredibly unique.
There are three different mechanics in this newcomer's original game that could be used to make him incredibly unique - one would essentially give him Cloud's limit bar, but it would fill when hits are landed rather than by charging, one would give him a very unique combo system that amends his regular specials, and one would give him two different modes to fight in, altering his smashes.

Spoiler: Newcomer's Identity

For those who haven't guessed it, the newcomer in question is Lloyd Irving.

Spoiler: Sources

Mii Costume: https://www.ssbwiki.com/Lloyd_Irving
New game coming to Switch (1): https://www.gamestop.com/nintendo-switch/games/tales-of-vesperia-definitive-edition/164374
New game coming to Switch (2): https://www.pcgamer.com/bandai-namco-is-working-on-a-new-tales-game/
Sakurai 2016 Interview: https://sourcegaming.info/2016/02/21/nintendodream3/
Developer support: https://nintendoeverything.com/yoshizumi-on-including-tales-characters-in-next-smash-bros-more/
Festival attendance: https://www.ign.com/articles/2014/06/26/why-90-of-fans-at-tales-of-festival-are-female

 

[zferolie]

There's a potential newcomer to whom the following applies:

Newcomer was very popular on the ballot, and received a Mii costume.
This newcomer received considerable support for both Brawl and Smash 4, and did so well on Nintendo's Smash Ballot that he received a Mii costume in the same wave as two other characters that have already been turned into full fighters.

Newcomer's series has an incredibly strong history with Nintendo. (Bestseller, Console bundle.)
This newcomer's original game was one of the best selling games on the Nintendo Gamecube and the Nintendo DS. He also has games on the Nintendo Wii, the Nintendo 3DS, and the SNES. This newcomer's game was so successful that it received its own Gamecube bundle with a console themed after his game.

Newcomer's series has two new mothership titles coming to the Nintendo Switch soon.
The series this newcomer stems from has one game scheduled for release and one game scheduled for reveal within one month of Smash Ultimate's release. Both are likely to be system sellers.

Sakurai has openly said that this newcomer is the undeniable, definitive representative for his series.
In an interview from 2016 - a full year after Smash Ultimate's project plan was finished - Sakurai stated that this newcomer is without a doubt the only real pick to represent his franchise. It also doesn't hurt that this newcomer's game is not only the most successful entry in the series, but also that it was the series' breakthrough entry in the west.

Newcomer's Developers are working with Sakurai, and are openly pushing for Newcomer.
This newcomer's game and series director is part of the Smash Ultimate development team, and is openly pushing Sakurai to include this newcomer and his series. A considerable portion of this newcomer's original development team is also working on Smash Ultimate.

Newcomer comes from a tremendously successful series.
Newcomer's series is one of the most commercially successful and culturally significant properties in its genre, with 25+ million in mothership title sales, and over 2 billion in total franchise sales. Several animes, mangas, movies, audio dramas, and escort titles. Sells tons of merchandise and auxiliary licenses. Series has an annual festival dedicated to it, hosted in soccer stadiums with over 20k annual attendees. Series was considered for a ride at Universal Studios Japan, alongside franchises like Sailor Moon, Final Fantasy, and Detective Conan.

Newcomer is a natural fit for Smash, moveset is already in the game.
The series this newcomer comes from utilizes a combat system that strongly resembles Smash Bros in a number of ways. There are four directional specials, four directional jabs, four directional smashes, taunts, a dodge, and an ultimate attack. This newcomer fits so well that 90% of his moveset is already in the game - the only attacks missing are his side-smash and his ultimate.

Unlike before, Newcomer's voice actor has deliberately and consistently avoided Smash-related questions.
This newcomer's voice actor used to responded to Smash-related questions on social media, both during Brawl and Smash 4's lead up. This has not been the case during the lead up to Smash Ultimate though, as his voice actor has ignored every Smash-related question posed.

Newcomer has several potential gimmicks that could make his gameplay incredibly unique.
There are three different mechanics in this newcomer's original game that could be used to make him incredibly unique - one would essentially give him Cloud's limit bar, but it would fill when hits are landed rather than by charging, one would give him a very unique combo system that amends his regular specials, and one would give him two different modes to fight in, altering his smashes.

Spoiler: Newcomer's Identity

For those who haven't guessed it, the newcomer in question is Lloyd Irving.

Spoiler: Sources

Mii Costume: https://www.ssbwiki.com/Lloyd_Irving
New game coming to Switch (1): https://www.gamestop.com/nintendo-switch/games/tales-of-vesperia-definitive-edition/164374
New game coming to Switch (2): https://www.pcgamer.com/bandai-namco-is-working-on-a-new-tales-game/
Sakurai 2016 Interview: https://sourcegaming.info/2016/02/21/nintendodream3/
Developer support: https://nintendoeverything.com/yoshizumi-on-including-tales-characters-in-next-smash-bros-more/
Festival attendance: https://www.ign.com/articles/2014/06/26/why-90-of-fans-at-tales-of-festival-are-female

Knew you were gonna say Llyod . I would like him, and he has a lot of things going for him. His biggest rival though I feel may be Heihatchi. Tekken is the biggest or one of the biggest fighting games out there, also how a mii outfit, is the face of the series, and is popular. only thing against him is not the mose unique gameplay and may be hard to fit into smash

 

[StormC]

I think these choices plus the addition of EVERYONE ELSE from Smash history is an indication that Sakurai is not playing around this time. This isn't even taking into account all of the new balances, changes to existing characters, and modes! So in my opinion, it would be a great disservice to believe that Sakurai isn't watching what we as a community have been talking about for years and trying to make as many of our dreams come true in this installment. So, with that being said, its not that I have astronomical expectations, but I have a gut feeling that this really will be the ULTIMATE Smash Brothers experience.

We’ve gotten 5 unique newcomers in 7 months.

We have 3 months to go and we will know all the characters before then.

Sakurai said not to expect too many new characters.

It’s a logistical issue of time to believe more than a few unique newcomers remain. Also, not everyone can get in. The final roster will leave out several fan favorites. Who knows what it’ll look like now that the biggest, most long term requests are in?

 

[cybersai]

I hope we're getting at least 3 more newcomers. Only 2 more would be a disappointment, especially since one is Incineroar. That would mean only 1 other newcomer. At least if there's 2 more there's a good chance some people can get what they want.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

My new prediction.

Base:
Unique Fighters:
69: Incineroar
70: Bandana Dee
71: Isaac
72: Elma
73: Geno
74: Tabuu (The Secret Character)

16e: Impa
36e: Dixie Kong
38e: Shadow
60e: Ken

DLC:
Unique Fighters:
TBA: Banjo-Kazooie
TBA: Fire Emblem rep
TBA: Gen 8 Pokemon
TBA: Spring Man
TBA: Rex & Pyra

Echo Fighters:
11e: Black Shadow
71e: Felix
54e: Medusa
64e: Octoling
TBA: Ribbon Girl

 

[zferolie]

I still think we will get 12 more to hit 84 for smashdown. 5-6 unique and 6-7 echos.

Incineroar
Geno
Isaac
Lip
Lloyd/Elma/Bandana Waddle Dee
Shantae/Elma/Bandana Waddle Dee

Pretty sure on those first 3 as safe bets. I am guessing an retro and Lip is who I want but any retro is likely given how random sakurai likes to be with them, last 2 are wants then likely

Ken
Shadow
Impa
Dixie Kong
Medusa
Black Shadow

Again first 4 seem very likely, last 2 are my wants. But I can see Ms Pac Man as an option as well

Not going to be upset if we get less then this, but those are my final guesses for the roster.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Skull Kid and Black Knight on the other hand would normally include them but at this point I'm inclined to believe they maybe bosses.

 

[zferolie]

Skull Kid and Black Knight on the other hand would normally include them but at this point I'm inclined to believe they maybe bosses.

Yeah. FE already got an Echo and Honestly he would be a little too different from Ike, plus I doubt FE getting any more newcomers after last game haha.

Skullkid just feels like Sakurai would make him a boss. Gives him more range to go full OP on his devestating magic, plus then could use the Majora forms as well for a very cool boss fight.

I also see Hades being a Boss fight as well honestly. The way he loves to chat and stuff fits him more as a talkative boss then a playable, where he wouldn't be talking nearly as much and just say the same things over and over and over till it gets super annoying.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

I also see Hades being a Boss fight as well honestly. The way he loves to chat and stuff fits him more as a talkative boss then a playable, where he wouldn't be talking nearly as much and just say the same things over and over and over till it gets super annoying.

I'm probably the only one here hoping Hades is an recurring antagonist and among the masterminds behind the story (With the actual Big Bad sulking in the shadows) having hired villains like Bowser, Bowser Jr., Dark Samus, Ganondorf, King K. Rool and Ridley as well as mercenaries like Wario and Wolf to collect souls for him considering his nature of devouring them.

I'll be quite surprised if that isn't the case being Sakurai made Uprising. This seems like something that he would do.

 

[GoodGrief741]

I'm probably the only one here hoping Hades is an recurring antagonist and among the masterminds behind the story (With the actual Big Bad sulking in the shadows) having hired villains like Bowser, Bowser Jr., Dark Samus, Ganondorf, King K. Rool and Ridley as well as mercenaries like Wario and Wolf to collect souls for him considering his nature of devouring them.

I'll be quite surprised if that isn't the case being Sakurai made Uprising. This seems like something that he would do.

If we get a Story Mode, Hades is a must as a bad guy. Preferably as a boss, but I’ll take a role where he’s only in cutscenes.

 

[Captain Shades]

Huh never realized Minecraft had that much music... i suppose if we get a minecraft stage it would be possible for it to get an icon, as crazy as that is haha. It would be the only stage with no character(unless we do get steve... which is possible but I feel... odd about)

Are you talking about how Sakurai so far has revealed every character, baring inkling, in the order of their release? I suppose thats still a decent theory, but then Geno if he is in would throw that theory completely out, so a retro wouldn't be farfetched. And we have had multiple retros in 1 game. Ice CLimbers and Game and watch in melee, and Pit and ROB in Brawl, though the retro is concidered the later for each of those games i beleive.

yeah I feel those are the most likely. I still like Medusa a lot as if fits the heroes vs villain theme we seem to be having, and the lack of any KI info on the site forever is odd. Black Knight... from what I have seen he moves and fights nothing like Ike. Personally I feel like he could be a boss like Skullkid. If I forgot the octolings thats my bad totally meant to put them there. And I assume you mean Matthew over Felix right, as Isaac is most likely the main if we get a Golden sun character.

To start off, I should have worded the trend part better. I meant to say that it’d throw off the order making the selection an odd number as opposed to a full even number. If we got a retro pick, along with the characters I mentioned then our base roster would be odd, then again, ending in a 5 has happened in before with Brawl and isn’t too strange, so IDK

Continuing, the Black Knight would actually be a perfect echo fighter. He may be slower, but him and Ike both hold a two handed sword in one hand, and they were both trained by Greil, Ike’s father. I was just watching video of Ike and Black Knight, and their animations were super similar, they both did the exact same taunt, the same projectile type move, even similar slashes. I think a cutscene even cut back to gameplay as both did Ike’s side B before resuming the gameplay section. I’m pretty sure Black Knight has also admitted to sharing similar techniques. Black Knight is also a lot faster than people give him credit for, so an echo seems plausible. The only weird part would be the Up B, but since Chrom’s changed, the same could be done for the Black Knight, just have it be the vanishing smoke, which should be easy to animate as he literally just disappears then reappears like Zelda.

Also writing mistake with Matthew, I said over because Echoes can be placed over their original counterpart, so Matthew would go over Isaac.

 

[blueneuronDOTnet]

I really don't understand most online Smash fans, nor how they judge likelihood of inclusion. We literally have several influential people on the Smash Ultimate development team saying that they are pushing for Lloyd to be included, yet he's lumped in with characters like Shantae (whose only favorable point is that her developers have been silent).

The way I see it, the only character with odds as strong as Lloyd's (open dev push, ballot success, Mii costume, ease of implementation, sus VAs, opportune timing) are Bandana Dee (major franchise, insane ballot power, first party, amiibo data theory) and Geno (ballot success, Mii costume, Sakurai darling). Isaac doesn't have much going for him beyond his popularity on the ballot and that one Twitter theory, and Banjo really just has a tweet from Phil Spencer.

Far too many people think that characters have high chances just because they do well on internet fan polls with a couple thousand participants. Far as actual clues are concerned, only Lloyd, Bandana Dee, Rhythm Heaven, and Geno really stack up, IMO.

 

[Isaac: Venus Adept]

Honestly I would prefer Felix as the echo of Isaac. The first two Golden Sun games were focused on one of their perspectives too and it was Felix's story as well. He's more visually distinct and Matthew fits more as an Alph type alternate costume for Isaac

 

[zferolie]

I really don't understand most online Smash fans, nor how they judge likelihood of inclusion. We literally have several influential people on the Smash Ultimate development team saying that they are pushing for Lloyd to be included, yet he's lumped in with characters like Shantae (whose only favorable point is that her developers have been silent).

The way I see it, the only character with odds as strong as Lloyd's (open dev push, ballot success, Mii costume, ease of implementation, sus VAs, opportune timing) are Bandana Dee (major franchise, insane ballot power, first party, amiibo data theory) and Geno (ballot success, Mii costume, Sakurai darling). Isaac doesn't have much going for him beyond his popularity on the ballot and that one Twitter theory, and Banjo really just has a tweet from Phil Spencer.

Far too many people think that characters have high chances just because they do well on internet fan polls with a couple thousand participants. Far as actual clues are concerned, only Lloyd, Bandana Dee, Rhythm Heaven, and Geno really stack up, IMO.

See you say you cannot see Shantae, while I honestly cannot see Waddle dee other then he is a sakurai character. And lets not be attacking shantae. All I said there was it was my want that I want shantae, but I see others getting in over her, like Elma. I'll still always put shantae on my lists though.

At least its better then Steve from minecraft. He's the only character I would be angry about getting in. A stage is all minecraft needs and is more fitting for minecraft then a character

 

[TheCJBrine]

I don't understand the Smash Down theory.

Not having the full roster, or Sakurai and his team adding DLC, just messes up the perfect amount of characters left. And don't forget, Mii Fighters probably aren't included, as they don't show up in that part of the direct. I can't see them working the mode to fit with the roster when it's going to mess up anyway.

 

[blueneuronDOTnet]

See you say you cannot see Shantae, while I honestly cannot see Waddle dee other then he is a sakurai character. And lets not be attacking shantae. All I said there was it was my want that I want shantae, but I see others getting in over her, like Elma. I'll still always put shantae on my lists though.

At least its better then Steve from minecraft. He's the only character I would be angry about getting in. A stage is all minecraft needs and is more fitting for minecraft then a character

I didn't say that I can't see Shantae, just that she has far less factors pointing her way than someone like Lloyd. Bandana Dee was one of the strongest characters on the ballot, stems from a major Nintendo-owned franchise, and has Amiibo data suggesting Smash functionality. I'm not talking about opinions, I'm talking about concrete evidence of inclusion.

Also, since you seem to be misunderstanding - that comment wasn't meant to be a reply to anything you wrote, I just wrote it up in response to something someone said on /r/smashbros and decided to crosspost it here in case someone could explain it to me.

 

[zferolie]

I didn't say that I can't see Shantae, just that she has far less factors pointing her way than someone like Lloyd. Bandana Dee was one of the strongest characters on the ballot, stems from a major Nintendo-owned franchise, and has Amiibo data suggesting Smash functionality. I'm not talking about opinions, I'm talking about concrete evidence of inclusion.

Also, since you seem to be misunderstanding - that comment wasn't meant to be a reply to anything you wrote, I just wrote it up in response to something someone said on /r/smashbros and decided to crosspost it here in case someone could explain it to me.

Ah sorry. Just that before we were having an argument/disscussion of her so thought it continued. my bad

 

[blueneuronDOTnet]

Ah sorry. Just that before we were having an argument/disscussion of her so thought it continued. my bad

Yeah, didn't realize how few posts had been made since we last spoke.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

If we get a Story Mode, Hades is a must as a bad guy. Preferably as a boss, but I’ll take a role where he’s only in cutscenes.

I wasn't just saying he'd appear in cutscenes but also be a boss as well perhaps a few times due to being an recurring antagonist.

 

[GoodGrief741]

I really don't understand most online Smash fans, nor how they judge likelihood of inclusion. We literally have several influential people on the Smash Ultimate development team saying that they are pushing for Lloyd to be included, yet he's lumped in with characters like Shantae (whose only favorable point is that her developers have been silent).

The way I see it, the only character with odds as strong as Lloyd's (open dev push, ballot success, Mii costume, ease of implementation, sus VAs, opportune timing) are Bandana Dee (major franchise, insane ballot power, first party, amiibo data theory) and Geno (ballot success, Mii costume, Sakurai darling). Isaac doesn't have much going for him beyond his popularity on the ballot and that one Twitter theory, and Banjo really just has a tweet from Phil Spencer.

Far too many people think that characters have high chances just because they do well on internet fan polls with a couple thousand participants. Far as actual clues are concerned, only Lloyd, Bandana Dee, Rhythm Heaven, and Geno really stack up, IMO.

Can I get a look at those interviews where influential people on the dev team confess to pushing Lloyd?

 

[blueneuronDOTnet]

Can I get a look at those interviews where influential people on the dev team confess to pushing Lloyd?

I sourced everything I said in the sources here. The specific link in question is this one. Yo****o Higuchi directed Tales of Symphonia (Lloyd's game) and Tales of the Abyss, and is now one of the lead developers on Smash Ultimate. He has openly stated that he's pushing for Tales representation multiple times, and as you can read in that article, also explicitly noted that it would have to be one of the protagonists of the Nintendo mothership titles. That means it'll have to either be Lloyd or Luke. He's not the only one - a good portion of Team Symphonia is now working on Smash Ultimate. Higuchi is definitely the most influential one though.

 

[harukaamami]

My final prediction.

Newcomers: Incineroar, Elma, Sora, Steve
Echoes: Ken, Shadow

 

[GoodGrief741]

I sourced everything I said in the sources here. The specific link in question is this one. Yo****o Higuchi directed Tales of Symphonia (Lloyd's game) and Tales of the Abyss, and is now one of the lead developers on Smash Ultimate. He has openly stated that he's pushing for Tales representation multiple times, and as you can read in that article, also explicitly noted that it would have to be one of the protagonists of the Nintendo mothership titles. That means it'll have to either be Lloyd or Luke. He's not the only one - a good portion of Team Symphonia is now working on Smash Ultimate. Higuchi is definitely the most influential one though.

That interview says nothing about Higuchi pushing Lloyd though, it just says he’d love it, and that the decision is Sakurai’s.

 

[blueneuronDOTnet]

That interview says nothing about Higuchi pushing Lloyd though, it just says he’d love it, and that the decision is Sakurai’s.

That's an issue with the translation (what I linked is a non-verbatim quote of an english translation of a french translation of the original japanese) - you can find the french version here and the japanese version in their press pack. They also have an interview with Higuchi himself, but this particular one just has Yoshizumi noting that Higuchi is very eager to include a Tales representative. Lloyd isn't specifically mentioned by name, but he's the only viable rep that fits the specifications they outline. Plus, Sakurai openly states that Lloyd is the definitive Tales rep a full year after the Smash Ultimate roster was decided upon.

 

[FunAtParties]

Steve will be the death of me. I've never hated a possible newcomer more.

 

[blueneuronDOTnet]

Steve will be the death of me. I've never hated a possible newcomer more.

Ditto. I thought Doom guy is as bad as it could get, but Steve would blow him out of the water. I'd dislike that even more than Goku, and almost as much as Shrek.

 

[FunAtParties]

Ditto. I thought Doom guy is as bad as it could get, but Steve would blow him out of the water. I'd dislike that even more than Goku, and almost as much as Shrek.

Same. It's seriously so bad that I think I'd rather have non-video game characters over him easily.

 

[StormC]

That's an issue with the translation (what I linked is a non-verbatim quote of an english translation of a french translation of the original japanese) - you can find the french version here and the japanese version in their press pack. They also have an interview with Higuchi himself, but this particular one just has Yoshizumi noting that Higuchi is very eager to include a Tales representative. Lloyd isn't specifically mentioned by name, but he's the only viable rep that fits the specifications they outline. Plus, Sakurai openly states that Lloyd is the definitive Tales rep a full year after the Smash Ultimate roster was decided upon.

Not really a full year, more like two months.

Interesting though that he doesn’t mention the K. Rool costume at all.

 

[Captain Shades]

Why people got to hate on Steve. He’d be the most interesting newcomer in Smash Ultimate if he was included. Don’t let the fan base take away from the fact that MC is a great game and worthy of being up with the video game legends such as Mario, Sonic, Pac-Man, Ryu, etc. Honestly, Steve has unironically become one of my most wanted characters up there with Bandana Dee and Rayman, I would take him over Shantae, Banjo or Lloyd any day.