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3 is not enough. At least five
— Kaplan (@Kappische) October 1, 2020
I dunno if that's entirely consistent. Byleth had jack in terms of unusual mechanics, and Banjo's Wonderwing is just a move that functions differently, not an all-encompassing gimmick. The movesets are pretty loyal, yes, but that doesn't always translate to a gimmick.
I think you might be seeing what you want to see, personality-wise...
Yeah emphasis on similar. But my point is that the major merit BK has was the fan demand. Without that they would have never gotten in, franchise or no franchise. And yeah, Geno works as a premium mii costume... But so could a bunch of other characters so I don't really see that affecting much in the long run
I completely agree with your post, but it's a bit disheartening that many others would disagree with this quoted portion of your post in the context of Steve.
Yeah no, I completely understand not wanting Steve in Minecraft. The character is hard on the eyes to just look at, and his inclusion reeks of "more popular mainstream games can join the fray; FORTNITE JONESY?!"
Dammit, I agree with you.Steve is an ugly character, but I thought something like the left one looked fine, all things considered.
I still think it's preferable for the purposes of Smash, frankly. And the pose is more dynamic.
Even most of the mockups I saw, which were presumably made by Steve fans, were made with something closer to this than what we got.
Jokes on you, Sakurai runs the Walmart Gaming Canada account.
It's the perfect disguise.
I dunno, maybe you are right... but at the end it's a bunch of boxes with pixels so it's natural that you have to use some imagination to interpret his personality.
This is getting ridiculous. What were they even doing for those five years? I don't even think something among the lines of them having to put in Banjo first would make Steve talks take this long. It probably isn't even the norm for characters, considering Sakurai got a build of Three Houses halfway through its development, which would be in 2017/18, AKA not five years before Byleth's reveal.
Hehe, fair enough my friend!
Ok. Well it happens often. Some characters are just hated more for smash than others. Tracer too got a lot of negativity when I or someone talked about her. yet Overwatch is a big title that lots enjoy (even if the balance isn't what some people like right now). People will settle after a while, it's still fresh. I'm just glad it's not 'just' steve, but minecraft, with alex and the other skins (I hope they add Alex to the character section title on this site, because that's how it is on the smash site)
I don't agree with you on much about Steve's presentation, but if it's one thing that I will always 100% agree on is that they chose the most boring pose possible. Like, I didn't think it was possible to get a more uninteresting pose than Chrom's.
The guy did say that's when talks started in the replies and had no clue about implementation. It so pretty outlandish and the guy doesn't seem too confident in an exact date so maybe he's muddling? Idk
Actual serious answer:
- He's in a completely undertuned state; his moves does not do much at all without Aura, at which point a love tap kills him - The Strength / Speed trade off does not work for him, he'd need something else like a sauce-up Pill if he's going to avoid feeling like he's doing much less than regular Mario. One could argue , and Using the Average Pro Tier list for 8.1. (where the last three rank rather low). I'd love if and got some sauce (or preferably reworks at least in Mac's case) in the future, but they sadly seem destined to fill their niché.
All things considered I find personality a pretty unimportant facet of Smash implementation or merit in a character's favour (which is good for Steve), considering how many characters have the personality of cardboard and how little it informs the actual gameplay of the character. That said, I think Steve's pose in his art is fairly lifeless, though that's certainly not the main drive of my sentiment. Nor even are the animations.
Sakurai made it sound like Minecraft was something he thought was going to be near impossible. It's possible that the problem was Sakurai and Nintendo kept nagging at him until he did it.
Also wanna point out that if it were 5 years then there was no way pass 2 was a thing when they were negotiating him it could have been for base or fp1
Then go play League of Legends. Don't wait on a Smash update that isn't guaranteed to even have a Mii costume from it yet.
I think Lucario needs a bit of a rework. His attacks are probably fine, but his Aura probably needs to be more than a simple damage scale. Maybe make his moves combo oriented at low percents and kill oriented with high percents.Characters that desperately need some SAUCE (buffs):
Mojang and Nintendo asking Sakurai to add Steve in Smash for 5 years like
If discussions over Steve began at least 5 years ago, then that lines up around the time that Ultimate's project plan was being developed. Therefore, unless the plan was always to have Steve as some kind of DLC, Steve was most likely planned for Ultimate's base game. Vergeben really was right all along.
If they're doing the Sakurai Presents on Saturday I doubt it's going to be very long.
I feel like just giving Lucario some frame data buffs would help him a lot. He's just kind of slow for what he is without aura. If he were to be a bit faster to attack it be really nice.Actual serious answer:
- Some very, very slight nerfs, but nothing serious. Most characters are in a good place, but there are a few moves that are a bit over-tuned. Pikachu's Dash Attack, G&W's Up B, Snake's U-Tilt (overtuned since Brawl by the by). And not just since I hate those moves - the characters are strong even without those moves being so good.
- Characters that desperately need some SAUCE (buffs):
- Mechanic Change. Not sure what exactly, but my dream scenario is that shield-dropping or edge cancelling aerials get re-instated. So people have more of a reason to use the platforms instead of just sharking underneath. Probably not going to happen now, but eh, not the end of the world if this doesn't happen.
- Further Online improvements. Sakurai promised, Harada talked about it. Not expecting them to reinvent the wheel, but anything to lessen the pain of missed inputs would help immensely.
- New mode changes (besides Boss Rush): Minecraft blocks in Stage Builder. Golden Opportunity here. Just sayin'.
God damn what could have made talks drag on for so long? 5 years is a really long time to maintain negotiations. If they really stuck through that long to get Steve in Smash then I don't think there's any character they couldn't get.
I don't think the chances of a Mario character or Pokemon character happening have really changed.
Not gonna lie, this is actually insane.
I think it really was just the language barrier. People who speak both Swedish and Japanese are relatively rare in and of themselves, let alone finding someone who speaks both languages and would be comfortable translating a multimillion dollar contract full of legal jargon. It's likely they had to use English as a common language and then translate from there to their respective languages.
Which, youd think, would make people feel Sora is MORE likely, not less...
Minecraft is a pass seller. Riddle solved.
It's kinda strange that Nintendo requested an ARMS character to begin with. They don't seem to be releasing a sequel soon, so was the plan to just increase sales of the original? Idk, as promotional picks go, Min Min was a pretty strange one. Of course, with that in mind they could suddenly ask Sakurai to help them 'promote' another series we aren't expecting.
Saaaaaaame. I'm already super sold, I wanna mess up some Spirits in WoL with him already, lol.
