Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[TheAJJohnson]

This comment may be late to the party, but I was at work and I typed this on my breaks...so get off my back!

Why is this topic even being debated? The ESRB/CERO don't care about what other games are like when rating Smash. Bayonetta's source material is a bloody, sexual mess. However, they translated her character over just fine. How? They toned stuff down (e.g., no blood, no spanking, hair doesn't fully come off thereby revealing the more private and sexual aspects of her body). The ESRB/CERO isn't going to say, "Yeah, but she's naked and violent in this other game!" when they're trying to rate Smash Bros content.

Additionally, assuming the Smash team couldn't do the same (remove the violent aspect) with any other character is asinine. It's silly to say that "who the character is" or "what the franchise represents" would be lost by taking out the violence. Again, their respective franchises might be about the violence, but Smash is not. The character's core can be maintained without having buckets of blood and gore. (Side note: the buckets of blood and gore aren't even the character's, they belong to everyone else the character is killing. If the enemies were robots in the core game, would it make the character any less like himself/herself?)

However, when it comes to Mai, you can't really un-sexify her. (Yes, I just made up a word.) Her attire is pretty consistent from game to game, from what I've seen, so in this case, changing her drastically just to shoehorn her in would be a disservice to her original design. (And let's be honest, there are two really big reasons why she's popular.) Bayonetta is generally fully clothed, only becoming nude when she attacks. Again, this was toned down and the game is so fast paced that it's hardly noticeable.

 

[Captain Fun]

Just gonna say Terry feels really good. Getting 30% off a jab is just wild.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Has any more datamine info surfaced yet? Aside from Terry’s codename (Dolly)

 

[PLATINUM7]

There is Mai's Fatal Fury 3 desgin

Or her kimono which tends to pop up in animations.

Aside from showing cleavage and bounce, her normal clothes aren't that different from Lyn's.


Moving on, it's really cool to see each DLC series get so much love. The Persona content was hype and it's been outdone with the SNK stuff. I hope this continues with the post pass characters.

 

[Jomosensual]

Feel like it's worth noting that Heihachi is still a part of Pac-Man's taunt last I checked.

 

[SKX31]

Feel like it's worth noting that Heihachi is still a part of Pac-Man's taunt last I checked.

That argument feels a little less valid when Mario gets rekt in 's victory screen.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Nobody:
Masahiro Sakurai:

 

[ProfPeanut]

I don't know how much of a factor Heihachi's "glaring" omission is. Tails and Knuckles' absences as costumes were "glaring". Akira and Jackie's absences as costumes were "glaring". Isaac and Shadow's absences from the Assist Trophies at the time were "glaring".

If you guys really want to dig into Bandai Namco's chances of getting a newcomer, why not study that story Sakurai dropped about the developers casually forgetting that Pac-man was "their" character?

 

[Sysreq]

I don't know how much of a factor Heihachi's "glaring" omission is. Tails and Knuckles' absences as costumes were "glaring". Akira and Jackie's absences as costumes were "glaring". Isaac and Shadow's absences from the Assist Trophies at the time were "glaring".

If you guys really want to dig into Bandai Namco's chances of getting a newcomer, why not study that story Sakurai dropped about the developers casually forgetting that Pac-man was "their" character?

Yeah that statement was on my mind as well lol Like, maybe Bamco doesn't even care if they're in the game or not

 

[Flyboy]

My roommate just figured out a possible reason for "Dolly".

I mean maybe I'm missing something obvious but this is possible.

 

[AntagonisticGalaxyCetacea]

Are people not considering the fact that maybe they just didnt want to release Heihachi's mii costume this wave?

 

[ES. Dinah]

Heihachi being absent certainly is suspicious.
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that's cause he's a mii costume and next character is Namco.

 

[3BitSaurus]

I don't know how much of a factor Heihachi's "glaring" omission is. Tails and Knuckles' absences as costumes were "glaring". Akira and Jackie's absences as costumes were "glaring". Isaac and Shadow's absences from the Assist Trophies at the time were "glaring".

If you guys really want to dig into Bandai Namco's chances of getting a newcomer, why not study that story Sakurai dropped about the developers casually forgetting that Pac-man was "their" character?

... I kinda fail to see how that anecdote means anything for the chances of a character from a popular franchise.

Regardless of whether Heihachi gets in as playable or not, the omission of his costume when other fighting game costumes returned, two characters considered smaller than him, no less, certainly means something. Maybe not even for him, sure, but right now there is no logical explanation as to why his costume, of all of them, would be singled out to not at least get added back.

 

[Sysreq]

Maybe not even for him, sure, but right now there is no logical explanation as to why his costume, of all of them, would be singled out to not at least get added back.

He's not SNK and all the costumes were SNK.

Edit: Oh wait, no they weren't.

 

[AceAttorney9000]

He's not SNK and all the costumes were SNK.

Not all of them. Two of them, Akira and Jacky, were Sega.

 

[PLATINUM7]

He's not SNK and all the costumes were SNK.

The Virtua Fighter costumes are Sega.

 

[3BitSaurus]

He's not SNK and all the costumes were SNK.

Edit: Oh wait, no they weren't.

By your edit, I think you got the point. The costumes weren't just SNK references, they were fighting game references... yet the costume relating to the second biggest fighting game franchise is absent while the Virtua Fighter ones aren't.

 

[Untouch]

Heihachi's absence is notable because Heihachi/Jacky/Akira released with Ryu last time, in a fighting game pack of sorts.
He's not in this pack this time, suggesting he's either going to be a character, or he's coming with a Namco character (Lloyd and the rest of the Namco costumes are missing too).

 

[osby]

Bandai-Namco doesn't have to get a fighter just because.

Keeping an eye on Heihachi goes without saying, but as Sakurai showed again and again, absences don't prove anything.

 

[GoodGrief741]

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My roommate just figured out a possible reason for "Dolly".

I mean maybe I'm missing something obvious but this is possible.

If that's your text UI I gotta say you are one awesome individual.

 

[Mushroomguy12]

The artists have gotten to work.

I started this drawing last weekend and was still coloring when Sakurai said Mai would not appear in Smash Ultimate ( ›´ᾥ`‹) pic.twitter.com/lJgmR1nfmh

— haniwa (@ayyk92) November 6, 2019

🤫 pic.twitter.com/8hrAt5SY0Z

— haniwa (@ayyk92) November 6, 2019

#SuperSmashBrosUltimate #MaiShiranui pic.twitter.com/EmB8AJYdgi

— Fran (@franmm127) November 6, 2019

todays smash news pic.twitter.com/1gQsajkf2l

— ガしガし:『魔のものたちは企てる』作画担当で連載中 (@uejini) November 6, 2019

 

[DarthEnderX]

Sakurai's comment about choosing characters based on how they would play rather than how popular they are killed the argument that they're not popular or recognizable enough to be in Smash.

I mean, it would be if that statement wasn't blatantly false. One look at the roster and you can see he doesn't pick interestingly playing characters over most recognizable characters.

The general lack of Namco Bandai Mii Fighters suggest we'll eventually get a Namco character... the question is... who?

Nightmare.

Mai Shiranui was designed purely on sex appeal; changing her design misses the point

So was Bayonetta. And her design was slightly altered in Smash to be less revealing.

Besides, no creator would rather their character maintain "their point" than get into Smash.

I don't know how much of a factor Heihachi's "glaring" omission is. Tails and Knuckles' absences as costumes were "glaring". Akira and Jackie's absences as costumes were "glaring". Isaac and Shadow's absences from the Assist Trophies at the time were "glaring".

Sure, but this was clearly the "I'm dumping all the fighting game Miis in this update" update. So the fact that Heihachi didn't return when all the other fighting game characters did is suspicious to other people.

 

[Night Gale]

Well sh*t, they made quality of life changes to Battle Arenas? That's the unsung hero of this update.

 

[Buffalo Soldier]

This may sound dumb, but I’m confused based on the presentation today. Is Fatal Fury and King of Fighters the same series, just the latter is the evolution of the former?

 

[PLATINUM7]

This may sound dumb, but I’m confused based on the presentation today. Is Fatal Fury and King of Fighters the same series, just the latter is the evolution of the former?

KoF is a crossover of Fatal Fury and Art of Fighting (and some other SNK titles).

It's absorbed both FF and AoF but features its own timeline.

 

[Guynamednelson]

This may sound dumb, but I’m confused based on the presentation today. Is Fatal Fury and King of Fighters the same series, just the latter is the evolution of the former?

The King of Fighters is a crossover between various SNK properties, plus its own OCs. Fatal Fury's cast is better known as KoF characters.

 

[Icedragonadam]

https://comicbook.com/gaming/2019/11/06/super-smash-bros-dark-samus-richter-amiibo-release-date/

We now have a release date for the next wave amiibo. January 17th. Which means Fighter #5 will be in January. I'm guessing 1st to 2nd week of January to keep the DLC character releases consistent at 2 months.

 

[GKMLTTSB]

This may sound dumb, but I’m confused based on the presentation today. Is Fatal Fury and King of Fighters the same series, just the latter is the evolution of the former?

Think of it like an alternate universe/interpretation.

There are events canon to Fatal Fury that aren't canon to KoF (notably, the death of Geese Howard), and there are characters from both Art of Fighting and Fatal Fury present in King of Fighters that would have been at different ages in the original continuity.

KoF has basically become SNK, the Crossover, with characters from Fatal Fury, Art of Fighting, Ikari Warriors, Psycho Soldier, and in the latest installment, even Samurai Shodown and their (former) pachislot franchises.

 

[cmbsfm]

I don't know how much weight Bayonetta, Snake, or Joker have in the argument for violent characters in Smash since all three got in largely because of external factors. Kojima wanted Snake, Platinum wanted Bayonetta, and let's be honest, Sakurai wanted Joker. They're all toned down, and even though I haven't played Bayonetta or Persona I'm pretty confident in saying the three series place less emphasis, especially Metal Gear, on gore or extreme violence than Doom.

Talk about moving the goal post.

There’s a very disturbing scene in MGSV involving a bomb being placed inside someone, and Sakurai ****ing referenced that scene by making that specific character have bomb in their spirit battle. And you haven’t played Bayonetta so you really don’t know what you’re talking about. Because those games are far more violent than the original doom.

 

[Graizen]

Honestly, I think Agumon can be in smash, maybe not as the 5th challenger.

Each dlc's got something unique, Joker's gauge, Hero's mana and multi skills, Terry and its increasing power with damages...

The digivolution can bring something interesting in the game

 

[DarthEnderX]

This may sound dumb, but I’m confused based on the presentation today. Is Fatal Fury and King of Fighters the same series, just the latter is the evolution of the former?

King of Fighters is the Smash Bros. of SNK.

Fatal Fury started out as it's own thing and now, like MOST SNK franchises, only shows up in KoF.

 

[RoboFist]

All this talk about missing Mii Costumes and censored SNK characters, and I'm just over here wondering how we didn't get a Metal Slug-themed Mii Gunner outfit...

Actually, since I'm not terribly familiar with KoF or SNK in general, does anyone want to do me the huge favor of breaking down all of Terry's alt colors? I'm a sucker for alt color easter eggs but I can't find an origin list anywhere yet.

 

[DarthEnderX]

All this talk about missing Mii Costumes and censored SNK characters, and I'm just over here wondering how we didn't get a Metal Slug-themed Mii Gunner outfit...

Right?! Or at the very least Ralph and Clark. As they originated from a Commando-esque shooter.

 

[Evil Trapezium]

Honestly, I think Agumon can be in smash, maybe not as the 5th challenger.

Best of luck to you because I think Agumon has a long uphill battle to face compared to the rest of the Namco characters.

 

[3BitSaurus]

https://comicbook.com/gaming/2019/11/06/super-smash-bros-dark-samus-richter-amiibo-release-date/

We now have a release date for the next wave amiibo. January 17th. Which means Fighter #5 will be in January. I'm guessing 1st to 2nd week of January to keep the DLC character releases consistent at 2 months.

Intersting... so we'd be looking at either a December or early January reveal, then? In that case, it's probably a Nintendo Direct at the start of 2020 in my opinion.

 

[N3ON]

Honestly, I think Agumon can be in smash, maybe not as the 5th challenger.

Each dlc's got something unique, Joker's gauge, Hero's mana and multi skills, Terry and its increasing power with damages...

The digivolution can bring something interesting in the game

Who's Agumon?

 

[Deleted member]

Who's Agumon?

No I refuse to let you start this again

 

[Night Gale]

Best of luck to you because I think Agumon has a long uphill battle to face compared to the rest of the Namco characters.

His biggest competition being Ridge Racer V Cover Girl and Car.

Spoiler: Irrelevant new member rambling

I am not going to read every page but it was amusing comparing some of the old responses that aged like milk.

We also have to take into account that some of the characters in Smash 4 aren't coming back too, I don't think the cuts will be too crazy but at the end I'm expecting 60+

Spring Man is basically confirmed. We just need to wait for his reveal trailer. Hopefully during e3 so he can swiggity swooty into Smash. He is about as obvious as it gets. Other than that, I pray for Black Shadow.

To the luckier ones.

For the new third parties, here is who I am hoping:

- Ubisoft - Rayman or the Rabbids
- Atlus - Jack Frost or someone from the Persona series
- Konami - Bomberman or Simon Belmont
- Crash Bandicoot
- Namco Bandai - Someone from Tekken
- Level 5 - Professor Layton or Jibanyan
- SNK - Kyo Kusanagi or Terry Bogard

 

[N3ON]

No I refuse to let you start this again

That's pretty rich coming from the guy who made the Mii leak.

 

[Herocin]

Best of luck to you because I think Agumon has a long uphill battle to face compared to the rest of the Namco characters.

The fact that the Heihachi Mii is ATM missing as a paid Mii Outfit despite the fact we got other fighting game characters from different companies makes me think Heihachi has a very good shot at DLC. I think he makes the most sense as a second Bamco rep as he is the second most iconic character from Bamco after Pac and Bamco needs should get at least 1 unique newcomer as every other company in the base game got one additional unique rep except from Capcom but Ken is pretty unique and they are helping with the game