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TheCJBrine

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Are you claiming there weren't any models of Mallow before the leak came up? Because that's not true. One if the very first things I posted was a link to a model of mellow I found when googleing "Mallow model."

They specifically say they hope the leak will last for a long time and they don't want someone to debunk it, and plenty of people have suggested it wouldn't be anywhere near as hard as your suggesting to mod a hat. People in this thread, people like Pushdustin.
I meant no one found the same looking model. Models exist, but no one found that same one, at least not yet if it's fake.

The Twitter user's Cacodemon model is missing details from the leak, too.

It wouldn't be as complicated as one modder seemed to imply, but that doesn't mean the leak is fake, and it would still be more difficult than making or retexturing a helmet like a couple of modders tried to do to disprove the leak. And there's no reason to believe those French dudes; what PushDustIn said does nothing to the leak, it should've been something everyone knew already because it was obvious.
 
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AmphabulouSnake

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Man if we really don't get anything new until the VGAs then it's a whole month of suffering for all of us :-/
Not to mention the unevitable "leaks" that'll pop up from time to time, trying to piggyback the "believable" ones like the mii leak lmao
EDIT : Also I'm French and I can easily claim that these dudes are full of- x)
 
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Apparently there's a couple of French discord users who have claimed to have made the leak whilst also mocking Geno fans, Doomguy fans, and Americans. Even going so far to call themselves "Grinch 2."

https://twitter.com/ant_merde/status/1191466432099471360?s=19

(Read comments for some translation)

There's no source on this however so it's up to your interpetation. Likewise the Twitter user who posted the Doom hat in Fortnite now has a pretty similar Mallow hat.

https://twitter.com/GiruloKFC/status/1191819712843452417?s=19

If I had to guess what's happening here its that these two made the mod for ****s and giggles, it exploded and the want for said characters outweighed the rationality of debating this leak, then sometime within the last couple day or so the "leakers" gave this individual the models (or he originally made them, his profile says he's a 3D artist after all,) and he's just enjoying stirring the pot. He's likely not posting any pictures of it in Smash though since he probably lacks Smash modding knowledge.
Can't believe these guys are stealing the credit for the leak I made
 

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They specifically say they hope the leak will last for a long time and they don't want someone to debunk it, and plenty of people have suggested it wouldn't be anywhere near as hard as your suggesting to mod a hat. People in this thread, people like Pushdustin.
Okay, but if so, where are these modded hats that don't have any problems?

That's all we'd need to push this into "most probably fake" territory, and yet none have come up in the past two days. People can suggest it's not hard all they want, but we haven't really seen anything.

I don't care when, but I do hope if anything, someone tries to make that stuff work so we can put this situation to rest once and for all.
 
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At this point I can't give two ****s anymore about what's real and fake, ffs.

All I know is that we're hyoe Terry and I hope no one will steal the spotlight
 

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Apparently there's a couple of French discord users who have claimed to have made the leak whilst also mocking Geno fans, Doomguy fans, and Americans. Even going so far to call themselves "Grinch 2."

https://twitter.com/ant_merde/status/1191466432099471360?s=19

(Read comments for some translation)

There's no source on this however so it's up to your interpetation. Likewise the Twitter user who posted the Doom hat in Fortnite now has a pretty similar Mallow hat.

https://twitter.com/GiruloKFC/status/1191819712843452417?s=19

If I had to guess what's happening here its that these two made the mod for ****s and giggles, it exploded and the want for said characters outweighed the rationality of debating this leak, then sometime within the last couple day or so the "leakers" gave this individual the models (or he originally made them, his profile says he's a 3D artist after all,) and he's just enjoying stirring the pot. He's likely not posting any pictures of it in Smash though since he probably lacks Smash modding knowledge.
Nope. I want to see the scene replicated. I want the Miis with both hats on, exactly how they look. And I want screenshots and footage just like what was provided to us. Then and only then will I believe them. Until then this just seems like another case of someone trying to take credit for someone elses actions.

Let me put it another way. If footage and screenshots were provided previously and these are who they say they are, then it would be no problem doing so again.
 
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Can't believe these guys are stealing the credit for the leak I made
It really is comical. In the absence of a definitive answer, people will play off of the intense skepticism that followed the Grinch Leak and actively try to be the one who was behind it all because it's easier for people to believe.

I am also Alpharius.
 

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Nope. I want to see the scene replicated. I want to Miis with both hats on, exactly how they look. And I want screenshots and footage just like what was provided to us. Then and only then will I believe them. Until then this just seems like another case of someone trying to take credit for someone elses actions.
Or how about even someone just making a Mii Hat and having it run without the game crashing?

SHOW ME THE CARFAX
 

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This really is Grinch 2. The leakers could come out with a fully HD video showing off the mod and the models and some yall would claim that the people who made the video were copycats who made a mod based on the leak and ported it into Smash. I'm not saying anyone needs to believe them but when every piece of evidence is met with "but what about ____" even to the point of being irrational the leak will never be proven or disproven.

And yeah when they're enjoying people being fooled by their leak their not gonna provide "proof." Especially when they aren't actively claiming to the community that they made it rather just happened to have admitted it within the presence of someone who screenshotted it.
 

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This really is Grinch 2. The leakers could come out with a fully HD video showing off the mod and the models and some yall would claim that the people who made the video were copycats who made a mod based on the leak and ported it into Smash. I'm not saying anyone needs to believe them but when every piece of evidence is met with "but what about ____" even to the point of being irrational the leak will never be proven or disproven.

And yeah when they're enjoying people being fooled by their leak their not gonna provide "proof." Especially when they aren't actively claiming to the community that they made it rather just happened to have admitted it within the presence of someone who screenshotted it.
I find nothing we've said to be irrational. They have no proof they made it, no reason to believe them anymore than there's reason to believe the other people who claimed to make it without proof. The Twitter user's models aren't the same, either.

If someone came out with footage of modded mii hats that looked exactly like the ones in the leak, no issues? Yeah, I'll believe it's fake (I'd even consider it possibly fake if someone made simplistic hats with no issues and showed gameplay footage), and that even real leaks of mii costumes can't be trusted because of how gosh-darn official they look, but until then, I ain't droppin' this leak,
 
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This really is Grinch 2. The leakers could come out with a fully HD video showing off the mod and the models and some yall would claim that the people who made the video were copycats who made a mod based on the leak and ported it into Smash. I'm not saying anyone needs to believe them but when every piece of evidence is met with "but what about ____" even to the point of being irrational the leak will never be proven or disproven.

And yeah when they're enjoying people being fooled by their leak their not gonna provide "proof." Especially when they aren't actively claiming to the community that they made it rather just happened to have admitted it within the presence of someone who screenshotted it.
Never thought that I would relive the time I first joined the Smash community. Yes, I joined it in the middle of the Grinch hullabaloo. And I felt like walking in a warzone.

If this is truly all fake, I'll see the salt first hand and it won't be nice.
 

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This really is Grinch 2. The leakers could come out with a fully HD video showing off the mod and the models and some yall would claim that the people who made the video were copycats who made a mod based on the leak and ported it into Smash. I'm not saying anyone needs to believe them but when every piece of evidence is met with "but what about ____" even to the point of being irrational the leak will never be proven or disproven.

And yeah when they're enjoying people being fooled by their leak their not gonna provide "proof." Especially when they aren't actively claiming to the community that they made it rather just happened to have admitted it within the presence of someone who screenshotted it.
Ok, Boomer
 

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This really is Grinch 2. The leakers could come out with a fully HD video showing off the mod and the models and some yall would claim that the people who made the video were copycats who made a mod based on the leak and ported it into Smash. I'm not saying anyone needs to believe them but when every piece of evidence is met with "but what about ____" even to the point of being irrational the leak will never be proven or disproven.

And yeah when they're enjoying people being fooled by their leak their not gonna provide "proof." Especially when they aren't actively claiming to the community that they made it rather just happened to have admitted it within the presence of someone who screenshotted it.
Someone in this thread literally posted a image comparing the models and they are nothing alike
 

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This really is Grinch 2. The leakers could come out with a fully HD video showing off the mod and the models and some yall would claim that the people who made the video were copycats who made a mod based on the leak and ported it into Smash. I'm not saying anyone needs to believe them but when every piece of evidence is met with "but what about ____" even to the point of being irrational the leak will never be proven or disproven.

And yeah when they're enjoying people being fooled by their leak their not gonna provide "proof." Especially when they aren't actively claiming to the community that they made it rather just happened to have admitted it within the presence of someone who screenshotted it.
I'm sorry, but this is Grinch 2 in a spiritual aspect and nothing else. There are several notable aspects that differ from that awkward, blurry promotional poster that was shown to us all.

The most rational, simplest thing to do when someone steps forward to take credit is to ask for proof(Because we've already seen someone actively play with the mii hats as well as several screenshots on an apparent dev build). This should be no problem if they have the build. If they refuse, don't believe them and move on.
 

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Not gonna lie, but a part of me really enjoy just how toxic tomorrow will be.
 
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Someone in this thread literally posted a image comparing the models and they are nothing alike
Yeah no I was there. I don't agree that they "are nothing alike," but I'll just agree to disagree.
I'm sorry, but this is Grinch 2 in a spiritual aspect and nothing else. There are several notable aspects that differ from that awkward, blurry promotional poster that was shown to us all.

The most rational, simplest thing to do when someone steps forward to take credit is to ask for proof(Because we've already seen someone actively play with the mii hats as well as several screenshots on an apparent dev build). This should be no problem if they have the build. If they refuse, don't believe them and move on.
They aren't "stepping forward." They actively stated they want people to believe it's real, they're not "claiming to have done it" they just happened to mention it, assuming you believe them.

And hey wouldn't you know it that type of behavior matches the same type of behavior as leaking something on the switch with a off screen photo and videos despite said system having the ability to record game clips and take fully hd screenshots.
 
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This really is Grinch 2. The leakers could come out with a fully HD video showing off the mod and the models and some yall would claim that the people who made the video were copycats who made a mod based on the leak and ported it into Smash. I'm not saying anyone needs to believe them but when every piece of evidence is met with "but what about ____" even to the point of being irrational the leak will never be proven or disproven.
...And guess what we don't have? Full on video proof of anything. So how do you you know how these people would respond if HD video evidence circulated? And weird how you say that they don't have to belive the leak, yet call them irrational because they don't. I've been avoiding this debate for a while (I don't even have a real stance on this leak), but I couldn't not respond to this, because that is irrational.

And yeah when they're enjoying people being fooled by their leak their not gonna provide "proof." Especially when they aren't actively claiming to the community that they made it rather just happened to have admitted it within the presence of someone who screenshotted it.
So why believe them then. Any random can laugh about making the leak and say they fooled everybody. Hell, I could say that right now and you'd probably belive me, going off your logic. After all, I'm enjoying people being fooled by this leak, I don't need to prove I really did it. Alright. Putting this out there. I'm French guy number 2, and I'm not sorry I fooled y'all
 
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To disprove the leak, you need to be able to verify the models were the same as in the video. So far, no one has done that. It's as simple as that.

Yeah no I was there. I don't agree that they "are nothing alike," but I'll just agree to disagree.
Well they certainly aren't the same. Look at the eyes.
 

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The most rational, simplest thing to do when someone steps forward to take credit is to ask for proof(Because we've already seen someone actively play with the mii hats as well as several screenshots on an apparent dev build). This should be no problem if they have the build. If they refuse, don't believe them and move on.
Additionally, there are MANY people who could photoshop an image like the Grinch's.

Again... NO ONE ACROSS THE ENTIRE INTERNET has modded like this before. Even if a random someone could show us footage of a random ass mii hat mod, id think our mallow/demon boys were fake. Yet, the hustle continues...
 

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This really is Grinch 2. The leakers could come out with a fully HD video showing off the mod and the models and some yall would claim that the people who made the video were copycats who made a mod based on the leak and ported it into Smash. I'm not saying anyone needs to believe them but when every piece of evidence is met with "but what about ____" even to the point of being irrational the leak will never be proven or disproven.

And yeah when they're enjoying people being fooled by their leak their not gonna provide "proof." Especially when they aren't actively claiming to the community that they made it rather just happened to have admitted it within the presence of someone who screenshotted it.
Let me just dissect this because there's a lot of baggage in this post and it's pretty hostile.

This really is Grinch 2.
This is nowhere near Grinch levels. That was a Psyops campaign that rivaled Parkourdude (Don't google it, if you don't know then you don't want to know.)
Somebody set up an elaborate system of levers and pulleys to fool people because nobody honestly thought they'd be that insane to go through all that trouble. Well, lots of people were wrong.

This? This is a few videos on 4chan and a picture. We have a video to dissect. That's it.

The leakers could come out with a fully HD video showing off the mod and the models and some yall would claim that the people who made the video were copycats who made a mod based on the leak and ported it into Smash.
1) Plenty of people are saying that if they came out and showed in depth videos they'd believe them.
2) The reason we're casting doubt on this is because the time is ticking and there are just as many people who want to take credit for this being a fake as there were who wanted to be fake insiders back in the Smash 4 days. The more time that passes, the easier it becomes for people to reverse engineer those models and post replicas claiming to have made them. People are already trying that, and we keep finding that they're shallow copies.
3) Porting it into Smash is the entire crux of this argument. Anybody can make a model. Blender is free. The Cacodemon and Mallow are simple shapes, the former having a full 360 degrees of reference material and the later being a damn puffball. The issue so far is porting them into Smash as hats and not helmets, which people claim is easy but have yet to show any examples. The moment they do is the moment I buy the argument.

I'm not saying anyone needs to believe them
You literally are.

but when every piece of evidence is met with "but what about ____" even to the point of being irrational the leak will never be proven or disproven.
What the hell does this even mean? Who is using whataboutisms? We're asking for examples of modded hats and nobody is stepping up to bat. Show us application of the theory and you blast holes through Team Real's big argument.

And yeah when they're enjoying people being fooled by their leak their not gonna provide "proof." Especially when they aren't actively claiming to the community that they made it rather just happened to have admitted it within the presence of someone who screenshotted it.
What makes them credible? You have yet to answer this. "Because they would find it funny" is not an excuse for not proving your claim. If I try to claim a wallet that isn't mine from the lost and found, should I be allowed to have it because "well it very well could be mine!" No, because I would be a liar. My ID isn't in it, I can't identify the picture of the kid that's there, but you're asking us to give that wallet to them because the fact that they are liars means they're trustworthy sources in this instance?

This is a nonsensical stance to take, and there's no proof that they're not just a bunch of misanthropes trying to feel relevant and powerful on the internet for fifteen minutes. We're not dumb for disbelieving them right off the bat.
 
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Here's a comparison of the Cacodemon models from the Geno thread:



Heck, the twitter user's model even has more teeth than it should on its bottom jaw, with the ones on the edges not being accurate at all.

And I'm 100% sure the twitter dude's model's texture is very simplistic while the leak's has a detailed texture.
 
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I believe the french guys. Typically the less exciting option is the more realistic one. #TeamFake
 

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Here's a comparison of the Cacodemon models from the Geno thread:

Heck, the twitter user's model even has more teeth than it should on its bottom jaw, with the ones on the edges not being accurate at all.

And I'm 100% sure the twitter dude's model's texture is very simplistic while the leak's has a detailed texture.
People also need to focus on the Mii's face. In the supposed "leak" vid, the miis expressions change during battle because they're wearing hats, not full helmets that go around their entire faces.

As of now, NOT A SOUL is able to mod a miii hat. A helmet that wraps around the head, sure.
 
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Here's a comparison of the Cacodemon models from the Geno thread:



Heck, the twitter user's model even has more teeth than it should on its bottom jaw, with the ones on the edges not being accurate at all.

And I'm 100% sure the twitter dude's model's texture is very simplistic while the leak's has a detailed texture.
The fact that the dude had to remake his original model to prove anybody can make it is proof enough that the two mii hats are not the same.
 

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Remember even if the leak does end up being real; it doesn't mean that Geno and Doomguy will be playable. It's totally possible they end up being costumes too.
 

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Remember even if the leak does end up being real; it doesn't mean that Geno and Doomguy will be playable. It's totally possible they end up being costumes too.
If it's truly real then it all just depends on if they appear in Terry's presentation tomorrow that will either confirm or disconfirm Doom Guy and Geno.
 
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If it's truly real then it all just depends on if they appear in Terry's presentation tomorrow that will either confirm or disconfirm Doom Guy and Geno.
Even then not really.
Terry's presentation has no bearing on the chances of either of the two. Sure if the hats appear it'll be a bit suss but why would Nintendo fork out cash to secure a deal with Bethesda just for a single Mii hat? And if they don't appear, it means nothing other than that they didn't plan on revealing them here.
 
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