Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[DaybreakHorizon]

See?! Just like the games, people laugh until they realize how good it is. Enjoy enlightenment.

While on the surface it may look like we're having inane arguments about iconicness, marketing, and what classifies a video game character, what no one tells you is that this thread is actually a hub to indoctrinate more Style Savvy Stylist fans. Sorry Flyboy and KatKit , but it's time we come clean. this totally isn't part of a plea deal to get a lesser sentence from the Smash Bros. police please I'm innocent I didn't do anything

Glad to have you on board 3BitSaurus and SMAASH! Puppy .

 

[Garteam]

So because of curiosity and in a hope of changing topics. With a gun pointed to your head, name who you think are the three most likely characters for FP5.

Leon/Jill, Crash, and Doom Marine.

 

[andree123]

So because of curiosity and in a hope of changing topics. With a gun pointed to your head, name who you think are the three most likely characters for FP5.

1. Lloyd Irving
2. Doomguy
3. Crash Bandicoot

 

[SNEKeater]

I have a feeling the next character won't be any of the ones we're mentioning frequently. I think a situation like what happened with fighter 4 where SNK and Terry weren't expected at all could repeat again.

 

[yeet123]

I have a feeling the next character won't be any of the ones we're mentioning frequently. I think a situation like what happened with fighter 4 where SNK and Terry weren't expected at all could repeat again.

I don't think theyll do that for the last fighter on the pass. They're gonna want a massive megaton bomb of an announcement at the end

 

[Wunderwaft]

I have a feeling the next character won't be any of the ones we're mentioning frequently. I think a situation like what happened with fighter 4 where SNK and Terry weren't expected at all could repeat again.

My thoughts are the opposite. After E3 I predicted that one of the two final fighters would be someone no one expects while the other would be a character that everyone predicted since the beginning of the DLC cycle.

 

[Garteam]

I don't think theyll do that for the last fighter on the pass. They're gonna want a massive megaton bomb of an announcement at the end

Sakurai usually doesn't do that. Olimar was the final Brawl character, Shulk was a final base roster character for Smash for, and Incineroar was the final base roster character for Ultimate. All of those are fine characters, but they were far from the most exciting announcement.

The only exception to this trend is really Bayonetta being the final DLC character last time around. Even then, she was far from the most requested character in terms of online polls and she arguably not even the most impactful character in the set (Mewtwo, Ryu, and especially Cloud all got a much larger reaction than Bayo).

 

[Cutie Gwen]

It seems obvious to me that character 5 won't be a showstopper, they'd want the one after 5 to do that to make people buy season passes

 

[yeet123]

Sakurai usually doesn't do that. \

Banjo will never be in Smash

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

Banjo will never be in Smash

hero when? hero never.

You can't deny that historically the final reveal for any Smash Bros. speculation period has been a big end. Other people have laid out how previous speculation periods have gone, so what makes you think this one will be any different?

 

[yeet123]

It seems obvious to me that character 5 won't be a showstopper, they'd want the one after 5 to do that to make people buy season passes

Why not both? Why would Nintendo choose anything but showstoppers to sell a product?

 

[Wunderwaft]

The only exception to this trend is really Bayonetta being the final DLC character last time around. Even then, she was far from the most requested character in terms of online polls and she arguably not even the most impactful character in the set (Mewtwo, Ryu, and especially Cloud all got a much larger reaction than Bayo).

It really depends on who you ask. Bayo to me was the second biggest pipe bomb announcement just behind Cloud. Her announcement blew my mind because everyone was putting her down for being too sexy and violent for Smash. She broke fan rules and expanded the horizon of what might get in Smash, which makes her a big announcement in my opinion.

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

It really depends on who you ask. Bayo to me was the second biggest pipe bomb announcement just behind Cloud. Her announcement blew my mind because everyone was putting her down for being too sexy and violent for Smash. She broke fan rules and expanded the horizon of what might get in Smash, which makes her a big announcement in my opinion.

To play devil's advocate, she was only the second biggest pipe bomb.

If they were going for a real show stopper, they'd have ended with Cloud, but they didn't.

 

[yeet123]

It really depends on who you ask. Bayo to me was the second biggest pipe bomb announcement just behind Cloud. Her announcement blew my mind because everyone was putting her down for being too sexy and violent for Smash. She broke fan rules and expanded the horizon of what might get in Smash, which makes her a big announcement in my opinion.

Bayo was ****in huge. She got a ludicrous amount of love from the fighters ballot on a global scale. I dont get why ppl keep on saying "dlc always ends with a whimper, not a bang"

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Why not both? Why would Nintendo choose anything but showstoppers to sell a product?

To play with fans. People got excited about Joker and lots of people bought the fighter pass because of him. End FP1 with a more niche character, then the person to promote FP2 being a showstopper would get a bigger reaction than if they were all showstoppers

 

[Wunderwaft]

To play devil's advocate, she was only the second biggest pipe bomb.

If they were going for a real show stopper, they'd have ended with Cloud, but they didn't.

True, but she was still a major reveal. What I was attempting to point out is that Smash reveals don't necessarily have to end with a whimper like others have pointed out. They could be a big reveal that, while not as big as previous reveals, is hype in it's own right.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

True, but she was still a major reveal. What I was attempting to point out is that Smash reveals don't necessarily have to end with a whimper like others have pointed out. They could be a big reveal that, while not as big as previous reveals, is hype in it's own right.

I'm of the opinion that Shulk and Incineroar were some of the best reveals of their respective games for what it's worth

 

[7NATOR]

So because of curiosity and in a hope of changing topics. With a gun pointed to your head, name who you think are the three most likely characters for FP5.

KOS-MOS, Reimu, or Ryu Hayubusa

 

[3BitSaurus]

I think the last pick will be relatively safe in the FP. Someone kinda expected, but not exactly a huge request. That's why I namedropped Hayabusa, Jill and Phoenix. Doesn't mean I think they're bad ways to end the Pass by any means (Phoenix in particular is one of my most wanted characters), but the real jawdropper will probably come afterwards, opening next season. Possibly another shocking dual announcement at E3.

I really think the first post-pass character is either Sora or another insane curveball no one saw coming a la Joker. These seem to be the best way to kickstart the next DLC batch imo.

 

[Garteam]

I feel that a lot of people are misunderstanding the point I'm making.

I'm not saying that there's a lack of value in Olimar, Shulk, or Incineroar or they were poor ways to end or anything like that. They're all great characters. However, they aren't the show-stopping hype machines that people in this thread are expecting Fighter #5 to be. As such, given this precedent, we don't have much reason to assume Sakurai works on a "best for last" philosophy in terms of fan demand.

If Sakurai really wanted a jaw-dropper to end Brawl's pre-release, he would've chosen Sonic, Snake, or Diddy Kong for that role.
If Sakurai really wanted a jaw-dropper to end Smash for's pre-release, he would've chosen Mega Man, Pac-Man, or Little Mac for that role.
If Sakurai really wanted a jaw-dropper to end Ultimate's pre-release, he would've chosen Ridley, Simon, or K. Rool for that role (3 characters added specifically due to fan demand).

The only exception to is, like I said, Bayonetta. However, that's still only 1 in 4 times the final character has been one which was designed to get a major fan-reaction. Not the worst odds in the world, but far from something I would be comfortable betting on. I just don't want people to put Fighter #5 on a pedestal and get upset if they're not the most earth-shattering thing this side of the Mississippi, solely because they had a criterion that Sakurai doesn't seem to work on.

 

[Pinguino21v]

I don't think theyll do that for the last fighter on the pass. They're gonna want a massive megaton bomb of an announcement at the end

My thoughts are the opposite. After E3 I predicted that one of the two final fighters would be someone no one expects while the other would be a character that everyone predicted since the beginning of the DLC cycle.

I agree with that, the last one won't be a big bomb "as seen by the Smash hardcore fans" like could be Sora or Crash. Those would have been shown earlier in the pass. In my opinion, it could be one of three big themes (considering third parties in all cases) :
- An overall big character, but one disregarded by the Smash fans, like Steve or a Blizzard rep
- A character that will be accepted by everyone, without being a big revelation neither, like any Capcom rep, Tales of rep, Ryu Hayabusa, Dark soul...
- A character with an historic vocal but very niche fanbase, like... none because the only one entering this category, Geno, is out since I think Square is out (do note that I previously mentioned Steve even if Banjo got in)

I'm also nearly sure of one thing: the 5th will be a figure recognized by Japan. That means no chance for Doomguy, Master Chief, Spyro, Rayman, Shantae...

Edit: exactly what said 3BitSaurus

 

[N3ON]

I don't think theyll do that for the last fighter on the pass. They're gonna want a massive megaton bomb of an announcement at the end

Why? Why would having a megaton at the end make more sense than at the beginning or middle, when you still have way more people undecided on the Fighter Pass? By character five, you don't have a lot of people left to convince to pick up the package deal. This isn't a narrative, where things end with a climax. This isn't a story. This is a business, where you want to put the most appealing things at the front.

To that end, character seven makes a lot more sense to be a megaton than character six, as that will need to convince people who either haven't bought DLC in a long time and/or will need to be the first impression of a following pack.

It really depends on who you ask. Bayo to me was the second biggest pipe bomb announcement just behind Cloud. Her announcement blew my mind because everyone was putting her down for being too sexy and violent for Smash. She broke fan rules and expanded the horizon of what might get in Smash, which makes her a big announcement in my opinion.

Well, kind of. Cloud is Cloud, but Ryu is still a much more prolific character than Bayo, and Mewtwo was much more popular. She's not the "lowest point" of the DLC, especially since the intent of her addition was to choose a "fan-favourite", but it's not like it's really ending on a bang when you compare her to what came beforehand.

 

[Wunderwaft]

Since everyone is suggesting that the first fighter of the second season of DLC will be the most hype/shocking of the DLC fighters, who do you all think it could be? Someone that no one expects? Or someone that a lot of people want?

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

Since everyone is suggesting that the first fighter of the second season of DLC will be the most hype/shocking of the DLC fighters, who do you all think it could be? Someone that no one expects? Or someone that a lot of people want?

The only three super characters I can think of would be Steve, Master Chief, or Sora. Each have their own points against them, but if they really want to begin Fighters Pass 2 on a big bang they'd want to start with those three.

Other hype/shocking picks could be Resident Evil, DOOM, or Crash Bandicoot. While not as big as the former three, each would make waves in their own right.

 

[TheAJJohnson]

So like what other franchises would you guys want in

Spoiler

no more sora he's a video game character shut up

What would I like to see in, disregarding realistic expectations? Mortal Kombat, Halo, Super Mario RPG, and Golden Sun.
What would I like to see in if I were operating within the loosely-defined bounds of reality? Rayman, Elder Scrolls, and Minecraft.

 

[Pinguino21v]

Since everyone is suggesting that the first fighter of the second season of DLC will be the most hype/shocking of the DLC fighters, who do you all think it could be? Someone that no one expects? Or someone that a lot of people want?

Both. It will be Waluigi or Isaac.

 

[TheAJJohnson]

So because of curiosity and in a hope of changing topics. With a gun pointed to your head, name who you think are the three most likely characters for FP5.

Dovahkiin, Crash Bandicoot, Ryu Hayabusa

 

[KatKit]

I was going to post a list of my predictions, but then I ran into this:

Remind you of anything?:

2B con-freakin'-firmed

 

[Dukemon]

I think if a Resident Evil fighter should be added (although I don't think there is still space for one more capcom fighter) than Chris Redfield. He is grounded not special. Exactly what Smash Bros needs.
Leon is after RE2classic a lame one-liner Gerry Stue. He knows everything. He can handle everything. He is the one who does the last hit. Especially if Chris is in the same plot.
Jill is a dead character in that franchise.

 

[N3ON]

Both. It will be Waluigi or Isaac.

Isaac would be a megaton for a portion of a portion of the audience, which means he's probably not a megaton.

 

[Wunderwaft]

Both. It will be Waluigi or Isaac.

An AT promotion would completely turn the speculation scene upside down into a mad house. It's something that I low-key can see as the third character reveal rather than the first.

 

[NoOtherPersona]

I think if a Resident Evil fighter should be added (although I don't think there is still space for one more capcom fighter) than Chris Redfield. He is grounded not special. Exactly what Smash Bros needs.
Leon is after RE2classic a lame one-liner Gerry Stue. He knows everything. He can handle everything. He is the one who does the last hit. Especially if Chris is in the same plot.
Jill is a dead character in that franchise.

Talking about Jill thems be fighting words

 

[Garteam]

Since everyone is suggesting that the first fighter of the second season of DLC will be the most hype/shocking of the DLC fighters, who do you all think it could be? Someone that no one expects? Or someone that a lot of people want?

I could see it really going either way:

1. It's either someone with massive fan demand that people have seen coming for awhile, but weren't sure would make the cut. If this is the angle they go for, this is probably Waluigi (if they're willing to upgrade assists) or Geno.

OR

2. It's someone completely unseen who changes the game on what's considered possible in Smash, similar to Joker. I'm not sure which character could really fit this criteria, seeing how it feels like nearly every game character under the sun has been considered for Smash. Then again, I guess that's the fun of this type of choice, someone who might've been brought up once or twice but was quickly thrown aside due to being too out there.

 

[yeet123]

This isn't a narrative, where things end with a climax. This isn't a story. This is a business, where you want to put the most appealing things at the front.

Why dont you sip on a tall glass of chill the **** out?

 

[Aetheri]

Master Chief, Sora, Crash Bandicoot, and Lara Croft would the biggest 'hype' characters imo. People do seem to forget just how big of deal Lara Croft actually is.

Doomslayer could be argued as well, but Master Chief would be the bigger explosion when to comes to FPS characters.

 

[Garteam]

I think if a Resident Evil fighter should be added (although I don't think there is still space for one more capcom fighter) than Chris Redfield. He is grounded not special. Exactly what Smash Bros needs.
Leon is after RE2classic a lame one-liner Gerry Stue. He knows everything. He can handle everything. He is the one who does the last hit. Especially if Chris is in the same plot.
Jill is a dead character in that franchise.

I disagree, I'd say that Chris "Boulder Punch" Redfield is just as much the super soldier that Jill and Leon are. He's also had some pretty out there feats of strength and competence.

Ultimately, Chris, Jill, and Leon have all had this same problem of sudden hyper-competence. All three started off as standard if slightly crafty police officers in their initial appearance, only to get power scaled to near superhuman abilities with no justification. Gone are the days of Resident Evil protagonists struggling with the most basic zombies and barely surviving, now they steamroll even the most powerful of bio-weapons with minimal effort.

 

[OrpheusTelos]

I think if a Resident Evil fighter should be added (although I don't think there is still space for one more capcom fighter) than Chris Redfield. He is grounded not special. Exactly what Smash Bros needs.
Leon is after RE2classic a lame one-liner Gerry Stue. He knows everything. He can handle everything. He is the one who does the last hit. Especially if Chris is in the same plot.
Jill is a dead character in that franchise.

Yeah, this post really ain't it chief. Most people don't care if a character is "more grounded" if that makes them inherently less interesting than the other options. Leon and Jill actually have personalities that people can get attached to, Chris is le epic funny boulder punching man and not much else

 

[3BitSaurus]

Since everyone is suggesting that the first fighter of the second season of DLC will be the most hype/shocking of the DLC fighters, who do you all think it could be? Someone that no one expects? Or someone that a lot of people want?

I've said it before on other posts, but I think that Sora is pretty much the only one that I can see as the first reveal for next season out of the usually speculated characters. He's popular in pretty much all of Nintendo's major regions, is currently relevant and has an insane amount of backing. He's the one fan demand that would have all stars aligned to be the first imo.

Others like Steve, Master Chief or even AT promotions like Waluigi seem more like E3 reveals to me. It's not that they wouldn't be big in their own right, it's more that I think the first reveal will be unexpected. Most people can see another Microsoft character or an AT promotion down the line, but a lot of people still see Sora as impossible because of Disney.

If it isn't Sora, then maybe a crazy pick people think of as a pipe dream, like 2B, a MOBA/MMO character or a Sony character (... yeah, really not banking on that last one myself).

 

[Wunderwaft]

2. It's someone completely unseen who changes the game on what's considered possible in Smash, similar to Joker. I'm not sure which character could really fit this criteria, seeing how it feels like nearly every game character under the sun has been considered for Smash. Then again, I guess that's the fun of this type of choice, someone who might've been brought up once or twice but was quickly thrown aside due to being too out there.

Possible characters that might fit this criteria are characters owned by Sony. It seems absurd, yet I can't say for certain it's impossible. If it happens then I seriously don't know what Smash reveal might surpass it in the future. If not Sony then I can see a character like Gordon Freeman fitting this criteria, Half-Life 3 has been waited for so long that it turned into an infamous legend and a meme. Any major news related to the Half-Life franchise is most certain to reach everyone in the gaming sphere, especially if it's something like a Smash newcomer announcement.

 

[Deleted member]

Since everyone is suggesting that the first fighter of the second season of DLC will be the most hype/shocking of the DLC fighters, who do you all think it could be? Someone that no one expects? Or someone that a lot of people want?

Tough question. Doom Slayer, Crash, Heihachi, Steve, every Capcom character ever would be the safest bet to make to kick off and hype up the next lineup, but I'm hoping for it to actually be characters with smaller (or zero) Smash followings to catch a lot of people offguard just like Joker. There aren't a lot of characters that would be able to match the kind of reveal Joker got, and the only characters I could see doing just that currently would be Sol Badguy and maybe Nightmare since not a lot of people bring up Soulcalibur in regards to Smash.

Or maybe the 7th DLC character is Byleth and then we start going on for months about whether if the new DLC lineup is first parties only or a mix of 1st and 3rd parties.