Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[Rie Sonomura]

Hell, even if I’m not particularly fond of a character that’s DLC, I’ll buy them anyway cause I like the feeling of having a complete roster

 

[GoodGrief741]

As someone who has encountered this individual several times, my personal advice is to leave them be. They're annoying and make no sense but they also don't appear to respond to logic and are likely just a kid with a tenuous grasp on social interactions.

I would expect that Arc System Works would prefer Guilty Gear in Smash if they're including a character. Guilty Gear is basically their premiere franchise that defines them as a company and has for over 20 years. River City/Kunio isn't their franchise, they just own the rights to it, so I actually don't see them going for it at all when Guilty Gear is their baby.

I mean, it'd be like asking for Tomb Raider over Final Fantasy/Dragon Quest. It just doesn't really define the company and or represent them as a big Japanese production house in Smash in the right way.

To be fair, people are expecting Bethesda to include Doom over any of their in-house stuff.

 

[Guynamednelson]

while also claiming that Arthur from Ghost N' Goblins deserves it more

And the funny thing about that is

I'm not a big Ghost and Goblins fan.

 

[Al-kīmiyā']

Look, when you have to deal with someone barging into support threads to ***** about how their character shouldn't be playable, that's when it starts to become annoying. Literally all this person does is make nonsensical arguments about why certain characters aren't "iconic" enough to be in a game featuring an obscure NES add-on and just recently added a platformer mascot that's been dead for over a decade. There's nothing wrong with disliking characters, but do you not see how spamming **** about it constantly doesn't get old after a while?

I haven't seen any spamming from them in the past ten or so pages.

 

[ROBnWatch]

Hell, even if I’m not particularly fond of a character that’s DLC, I’ll buy them anyway cause I like the feeling of having a complete roster

I share this sentiment. Sometimes it pays off, sometimes it’s underwhelming. But I’d rather have a complete roster than not.

 

[Al-kīmiyā']

And let's face it, modding something out of a game because you don't like it when it literally doesn't have to effect you in the least bit (I mean, Joker is DLC, just don't buy him if you dislike it) is kind of the definition of petty. The solution to this individual's problem already exists.

He already said that he'd download them to get the slot for another character.

 

[NintenZ]

As someone who has encountered this individual several times, my personal advice is to leave them be. They're annoying and make no sense but they also don't appear to respond to logic and are likely just a kid with a tenuous grasp on social interactions.

I mean if that’s the case he really probably shouldn’t be using Smashboards at all to be frank.

 

[---]

Am very tempted to briefly lock this thread.

If you feel the need the report a post you see as problematic, chances are you shouldn't be responding to them. Or better yet, use the ignore function of your user account: https://smashboards.com/account/ignored

Will review the situation and see if any warnings are necessary, but obviously the current conversation has to be dropped. Most of the responses I've seen are way too personal.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

On a different topic, it turns out Super Kirby Clash of all games has a lyrical credits theme

Spoiler: Japanese version

Nintendo's stepping up it's music game this generation.

 

[OrpheusTelos]

Honestly, I'm at a point where I trust Sakurai enough to make fun characters out of just about anyone, so there's no plausable character inclusion that I could really see myself getting mad over. Yeah, I'm kinda hoping the last Fighters Pass character isn't Hayabusa just because I don't want the rumors to be validated, but I'm sure my initial disappointment would immediately go away once I see him in action. Point is, I have more important things to deal with in life that don't involve characters in a fictional fighting game, so I don't see much reason to start crusades against certain characters just because I don't like them.

Also, this is the first time I'm hearing about ArcSys owning River City. I thought some other company owned that series, but I guess I was wrong about that. Even as someone who loves River City Ransom, I never really thought about Kunio's chances that much, but I'd absolutely be down for it. Beat-em-ups don't have any representation in the roster, and I can't think of any other choices besides River City to represent the genre

 

[Flyboy]

Honestly, I'm at a point where I trust Sakurai enough to make fun characters out of just about anyone, so there's no plausable character inclusion that I could really see myself getting mad over. Yeah, I'm kinda hoping the last Fighters Pass character isn't Hayabusa just because I don't want the rumors to be validated, but I'm sure my initial disappointment would immediately go away once I see him in action. Point is, I have more important things to deal with in life that don't involve characters in a fictional fighting game, so I don't see much reason to start crusades against certain characters just because I don't like them.

Also, this is the first time I'm hearing about ArcSys owning River City. I thought some other company owned that series, but I guess I was wrong about that. Even as someone who loves River City Ransom, I never really thought about Kunio's chances that much, but I'd absolutely be down for it. Beat-em-ups don't have any representation in the roster, and I can't think of any other choices besides River City to represent the genre

The only other viable candidate I could see is Billy & Jimmy Lee from Double Dragon, another franchise that is owned by ArcSys now funnily enough.

 

[CyberHyperPhoenix]

Anyway, uh.

I've been seeing some speculah on Terry's moveset so I figured I'd get your guy's opinion on it.

My thoughts on the specials:

Neutral B (tap): Power Wave
Neutral B (press*): Round Wave
Side B: Burn Knuckle
Air Side B: Power Dunk
Up B: Rising Tackle
Down B: Crack Shoot

*or qcf input?

I've seen some say that you could give him Power Geyser or even Buster Wolf as one of his smash attacks, but that seems like something they'd reserve for final smashes a la Ryu and Ken?

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Also, this is the first time I'm hearing about ArcSys owning River City. I thought some other company owned that series, but I guess I was wrong about that. Even as someone who loves River City Ransom, I never really thought about Kunio's chances that much, but I'd absolutely be down for it. Beat-em-ups don't have any representation in the roster, and I can't think of any other choices besides River City to represent the genre

Yeah, I think River City/Kino-Kun and Double Dragon have a pretty odd ownership history.
That's how we got the incredible Double Dragon Neon, the awful Double Dragon 2 remake and the out-5-years-too-late Double Dragon 4 from three different developers.

 

[EricTheGamerman]

To be fair, people are expecting Bethesda to include Doom over any of their in-house stuff.

That's a fair point, but there's also the fact that we're talking Doom and its the father of the modern FPS. Bethesda has also embraced DOOM to a degree that you generally don't see when companies acquires the rights to non in house titles (which is also what they chose to do with Fallout). River City/Kunio doesn't exactly get the same claim to fame when competing against Guilty Gear.

Honestly, I'm at a point where I trust Sakurai enough to make fun characters out of just about anyone, so there's no plausable character inclusion that I could really see myself getting mad over. Yeah, I'm kinda hoping the last Fighters Pass character isn't Hayabusa just because I don't want the rumors to be validated, but I'm sure my initial disappointment would immediately go away once I see him in action. Point is, I have more important things to deal with in life that don't involve characters in a fictional fighting game, so I don't see much reason to start crusades against certain characters just because I don't like them.

Also, this is the first time I'm hearing about ArcSys owning River City. I thought some other company owned that series, but I guess I was wrong about that. Even as someone who loves River City Ransom, I never really thought about Kunio's chances that much, but I'd absolutely be down for it. Beat-em-ups don't have any representation in the roster, and I can't think of any other choices besides River City to represent the genre

Streets of Rage? Double Dragon? Final Fight? Battletoads if we're getting adventurous? Honestly, River City would be near the bottom of my list for representing beat-em-ups when compared to those options.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

I really want Billy and Jimmy Lee in the game, for the simple reason that the Double Dragon Theme song would be awesome to fight to.

 

[BZL8]

On a different topic, it turns out Super Kirby Clash of all games has a lyrical credits theme

Nintendo's stepping up it's music game this generation.

With this, Fire Emblem: Three Houses, and Astral Chain, I have a feeling we will be seeing more similar stuff from Nintendo in the games to come.

Honestly, I'm at a point where I trust Sakurai enough to make fun characters out of just about anyone, so there's no plausable character inclusion that I could really see myself getting mad over. Yeah, I'm kinda hoping the last Fighters Pass character isn't Hayabusa just because I don't want the rumors to be validated, but I'm sure my initial disappointment would immediately go away once I see him in action. Point is, I have more important things to deal with in life that don't involve characters in a fictional fighting game, so I don't see much reason to start crusades against certain characters just because I don't like them.

If Sakurai can take the Hero, who is arguably the most generic, archetypal, and classical JRPG anime swordfighter, and turn him into arguably the most unique newcomer on the roster, he can most certainly take Hayabasa and make him stand out in ways we never really thought about.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Anyway, uh.

I've been seeing some speculah on Terry's moveset so I figured I'd get your guy's opinion on it.

My thoughts on the specials:

Neutral B (tap): Power Wave
Neutral B (press*): Round Wave
Side B: Burn Knuckle
Air Side B: Power Dunk
Up B: Rising Tackle
Down B: Crack Shoot

*or qcf input?

I've seen some say that you could give him Power Geyser or even Buster Wolf as one of his smash attacks, but that seems like something they'd reserve for final smashes a la Ryu and Ken?

You think they’ll pull a Ryu/Ken and make BOTH his final smash? Ergo, one close range and one long range? Or even one in air and one on ground?

 

[Deleted member]

Quick question on Double Dragon since I'm not oh-so familiar with the game:

If Billy and Jimmy were to be in Smash, would 1 of them be an alt or an echo fighter?

 

[OrpheusTelos]

Oof, I can't believe I forgot Double Dragon. I have no idea how I overlooked that one. But yeah, Double Dragon or River City are probably the most likely choices if we ever were to get a beat-em-up character.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Quick question on Double Dragon since I'm not oh-so familiar with the game:

If Billy and Jimmy were to be in Smash, would 1 of them be an alt or an echo fighter?

It all depends on how Sakurai and their current owners choose to represent them.

In game they are identical so I figure it could be either half the costumes are Jimmy, the other half Billy or they have a team up gimmick of some kind.

 

[CyberHyperPhoenix]

You think they’ll pull a Ryu/Ken and make BOTH his final smash? Ergo, one close range and one long range? Or even one in air and one on ground?

I mean, maybe? He's got the supers to accommodate for it, unless Terry has a super meter where you manually input supers and his Final Smash is something like this?

 

[TheYungLink]

If we're talking about beat-em-ups, don't leave out Final Fight and Streets of Rage. Mike Haggar in particular is as memetic and beloved by Capcom fans as Captain Falcon is.

 

[kaithehedgefox]

If we really don’t NEED Tracer, why have her in Smash at all?

Since we don't need Tracer to be playable, it makes sense for her to be an assist trophy, since it's netter than nothing.

You know what I would do if I didn't like Joker or Terry or some future third-party they add?

Not pay money to put them in my game.

Well I'm enjoying Terry's inclusion.

 

[BZL8]

If we're talking about beat-em-ups, don't leave out Final Fight and Streets of Rage. Mike Haggar in particular is as memetic and beloved by Capcom fans as Captain Falcon is.

Ah, Streets of Rage II, this song brings back memories of me and my friend playing through it on his Genesis repeatedly several years back.

 

[IceKitsune]

Streets of Rage? Double Dragon? Final Fight? Battletoads if we're getting adventurous? Honestly, River City would be near the bottom of my list for representing beat-em-ups when compared to those options.

Outside of the upcoming 4 Streets of Rage has been dead as heck for like 25 years. Final Fight has basically the same issue its really a dead franchise and basically has been completely absorbed by Street Fighter at this point. I think that would knock it out of adding new game worlds to smash. Same with Battletoads regardless of the memes.

I will admit Double Dragon would work but Kunio has been getting a lot more games recently. That would be the thing to put it over. You also have to account for the fact that the Kunio-Kun games have a lot more than just River City to pull from. There are like 18 games at least for them to pick stuff from and not all of them are Beat em' Ups. Plus way more connection to Nintendo other than maybe Double Dragon and that is debatable.

 

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If we're talking about beat-em-ups, don't leave out Final Fight and Streets of Rage. Mike Haggar in particular is as memetic and beloved by Capcom fans as Captain Falcon is.

I think I'd first petition for Haggar to make it into a Street Fighter game for once. I get the story excuse that he's too busy running Metro City, but don't then go and make Mayor Cody playable. notthatIdon'twantcodyplayabletoo

Put him in Smash, put him in Street Fighter, make a new Final Fight or Versus game. Hell make a new Saturday Night Slam Masters game. Do something with the fighting mayor. lol

 

[KatKit]

All of these talks about beat-em-ups are making me more hyped for Streets of Rage 4. I'm glad they're kind of making a comeback of sorts, too (River City Girls is fantastic). Now I kinda wish Ultimate had a mode where you can just roam around and pummel stuff cooperatively with up to 4 players.

More on topic, my sister is a huge GoldenEye fan and asked how possible it'd be if Smash had a bootleg James Bond (named 'Top Secret') but with Sakurai's likeness as the very last DLC character for the game for free. I laughed at how silly it sounded, but then I realized that'd low-key be great.

 

[GoodGrief741]

That's a fair point, but there's also the fact that we're talking Doom and its the father of the modern FPS. Bethesda has also embraced DOOM to a degree that you generally don't see when companies acquires the rights to non in house titles (which is also what they chose to do with Fallout). River City/Kunio doesn't exactly get the same claim to fame when competing against Guilty Gear.

To be honest I think River City and Double Dragon are more important when it comes to their respective genre than Guilty Gear when it comes to its own.

Out of all three Double Dragon is definitely the best known.

Quick question on Double Dragon since I'm not oh-so familiar with the game:

If Billy and Jimmy were to be in Smash, would 1 of them be an alt or an echo fighter?

I'd say alts for sure.

All of these talks about beat-em-ups are making me more hyped for Streets of Rage 4. I'm glad they're kind of making a comeback of sorts, too (River City Girls is fantastic). Now I kinda wish Ultimate had a mode where you can just roam around and pummel stuff cooperatively with up to 4 players.

More on topic, my sister is a huge GoldenEye fan and asked how possible it'd be if Smash had a bootleg James Bond (named 'Top Secret') but with Sakurai's likeness as the very last DLC character for the game for free. I laughed at how silly it sounded, but then I realized that'd low-key be great.

If Smash were to have an original character, I concede that 007 Sakurai is a top-notch idea.

 

[lady_sky skipper]

I think I'd first petition for Haggar to make it into a Street Fighter game for once. I get the story excuse that he's too busy running Metro City, but don't then go and make Mayor Cody playable. notthatIdon'twantcodyplayabletoo

Put him in Smash, put him in Street Fighter, make a new Final Fight or Versus game. Hell make a new Saturday Night Slam Masters game. Do something with the fighting mayor. lol

I 100% support this. Mayor Haggar is just too cool a character not to put in a new Capcom game or even in Super Smash Bros as a guest. (And heck, he'd be a shoo-in for reelection since he helped to clean up Metro City by literally fighting the gangs.)

 

[Idon]

Anyway, uh.

I've been seeing some speculah on Terry's moveset so I figured I'd get your guy's opinion on it.

My thoughts on the specials:

Neutral B (tap): Power Wave
Neutral B (press*): Round Wave
Side B: Burn Knuckle
Air Side B: Power Dunk
Up B: Rising Tackle
Down B: Crack Shoot

*or qcf input?

I've seen some say that you could give him Power Geyser or even Buster Wolf as one of his smash attacks, but that seems like something they'd reserve for final smashes a la Ryu and Ken?

They'd probably give him KOF14 Volcano Star Dunk for the final smash as it fits the "flashy" parameter. Maybe Triple Power Geyser, but like, Ike already basically does that so it'd be kinda lame.

 

[IAmGiles]

Hey guys, longtime lurker, first time poster.

What does everyone think of the likelihood of Dragonslayer Ornstein from Dark Souls being DLC?

I don't think I've seen him even proposed in these boards, and I think he could be a serious sleeper pick.

Ornstein is the only character who appears in all three Dark Souls games (at least in some form), he's got loads of moveset potential, he's one of the most recognizable bosses from a game about fighting bosses, and he's from one of the most memorable boss fight out of all three games.

To be clear, I don't think Dark Souls as a whole is an incredibly likely game to choose a character from, but I think Ornstein's got a pretty solid slot.

He's a dark horse character from a dark horse game, and a top notch pick in my opinion.

 

[N3ON]

'What's an SNK' would be nothing compared to 'what's a Kunio'. But I'd enjoy the inclusion.

Well I'm enjoying Terry's inclusion.

I see you've completely understood the message of my post.

 

[BZL8]

Hey guys, longtime lurker, first time poster.

What does everyone think of the likelihood of Dragonslayer Ornstein from Dark Souls being DLC?

I don't think I've seen him even proposed in these boards, and I think he could be a serious sleeper pick.

Ornstein is the only character who appears in all three Dark Souls games (at least in some form), he's got loads of moveset potential, he's one of the most recognizable bosses from a game about fighting bosses, and he's from one of the most memorable boss fight out of all three games.

To be clear, I don't think Dark Souls as a whole is an incredibly likely game to choose a character from, but I think Ornstein's got a pretty solid slot.

He's a dark horse character from a dark horse game, and a top notch pick in my opinion.

Personally, I would wager the Chosen Undead, Solaire, or Artorias having better chances of being the Dark Souls rep.

 

[CroonerMike]

Since we don't need Tracer to be playable, it makes sense for her to be an assist trophy, since it's netter than nothing.


Well I'm enjoying Terry's inclusion.

Like I get it, it’s fun to troll, but at least be crafty with it and not be obvious.

 

[BlueMonk]

Hey guys, longtime lurker, first time poster.

What does everyone think of the likelihood of Dragonslayer Ornstein from Dark Souls being DLC?

I don't think I've seen him even proposed in these boards, and I think he could be a serious sleeper pick.

Ornstein is the only character who appears in all three Dark Souls games (at least in some form), he's got loads of moveset potential, he's one of the most recognizable bosses from a game about fighting bosses, and he's from one of the most memorable boss fight out of all three games.

To be clear, I don't think Dark Souls as a whole is an incredibly likely game to choose a character from, but I think Ornstein's got a pretty solid slot.

He's a dark horse character from a dark horse game, and a top notch pick in my opinion.

Isn't Ornstein really big? I think Solaire is most likely (since he's popular and can also do everything the player character can), but if they were to put in a boss I think it would most likely be Gwyn

 

[shinhed-echi]

I really want Billy and Jimmy Lee in the game, for the simple reason that the Double Dragon Theme song would be awesome to fight to.

I could see them adding the theme song regardless, kinda like how Afterburner theme song was included with Bayonetta. (I know the song appeared in her game, but still, it’s originated in a whole different IP).

 

[NintenZ]

What if in Smash we had Kunio and he came with alts of Riki, Kyoko, and Misako?

 

[IceKitsune]

What if in Smash we had Kunio and he came with alts of Riki, Kyoko, and Misako?

That would be the best way to do it. Just like Hero and his alts

 

[Flyboy]

Streets of Rage 2 is one of my favorite games of all time, but even with SOR4 finally coming I just can't see a character from it getting in before Billy and Jimmy or Kunio. And as much as I love the idea of Kunio, Riki, Misako, and Kyoko all getting in, I think the attacks and animations would be just too different for it to work out. But hey, who knows.

Haggar would be awesome and I love Capcom so, no complaints here. I just don't know how likely it is.

Finally, the Top Secret 007 Sakurai is the best idea ever. If we can't have Bond, this is the next best thing.

 

[IAmGiles]

Personally, I would wager the Chosen Undead, Solaire, or Artorias having better chances of being the Dark Souls rep.

I definitely agree that Chosen Undead is solid competition for Ornstein due to main character bias, but I personally would put Ornstein before Artorias and Solaire. Both only appear in the first game and one is behind the DLC paywall. (That said, I would definitely prefer Artorias over any other character since he's cool as hell).

Isn't Ornstein really big? I think Solaire is most likely (since he's popular and can also do everything the player character can), but if they were to put in a boss I think it would most likely be Gwyn

Gwyn would be dope! Ornstein is big but he's not a full on giant. I think if they made him as big as Gabondorf he'd work well enough.

Solaire is popular, but I don't think he can actually do everything the main character can. I think he can only cast miracles, while the Chosen Undead has sorcery, dark magic, and pyromancy available. So Solaire's moveset would be limited.

I do love Solaire though, so maybe the way to go would be to have Chosen Undead with each of his eight skins being eight if the most popular armors? He could dress as Ornstein, Artorias, Solaire, and Maybe even Siegmeyer. That'd be pretty cool.