Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[SMAASH! Puppy]

I was waiting for that. I like how Courier New looks. There's no real reason beyond that. If I can make my posts pretty, I might as well do it.

Honestly, it's kind of a wonder nobody else does it.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

I was waiting for that. I like how Courier New looks. There's no real reason beyond that. If I can make my posts pretty, I might as well do it.

It’s just a little harder to read what with the thin text, honestly I’ve kind of skipped over a few of your posts for that reason, no offense.

 

[Momotsuki]

Honestly, it's kind of a wonder nobody else does it.

They're afraid of looking silly or pretentious, maybe. That's understandable. I'm definitely at least one of those things though, and I'm not terribly concerned that I may appear that way.

It’s just a little harder to read what with the thin text, honestly I’ve kind of skipped over a few of your posts for that reason, no offense.

None taken. If this is better on that front, I'll switch to this. What do you think?

 

[Captain Shwampy]

Was Nintendo?

Nintendo makes the choices and sakurai reviews the choices.

Stuff like "does this character bring something new to smash" or "is this characters gimmick similar to another character on the roster" or "is this character possible" or "is this characters silhouette unique?"

Thats how capcom decided rosters if you read the MvsC staff interviews. Shuma gorath got added while boring stuff like lady with gun black widow weren't for a reason atleast until Infinite ruined everything.

 

[TheBeastHimself]

Now I'm imagining Tom Nook channeling his fury for Smash.

So, I was generous enough to get you started on an island, hm? Then you have the nerve to pay off your loan with only seashells. It took three years to receive that payment. I have to go home to a house full of seashells and bugs because Timmy and Tommy don't know any better. Guess I need a little break to relieve some work tension, hm?

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

I do hope that the last 3 of the pass continue with the crazy announcements that were Steve and Sephiroth. I think Min-Min, although an excellent choice, was still a very lukewarm character for most people. With Sephiroth and Steve they appeal to two COMPLETELY different generations of gamers and are both a huge deal in their own right. I would love to see Sakurai keep pushing that envelope.

They're afraid of looking silly or pretentious, maybe. That's understandable. I'm definitely at least one of those things though, and I'm not terribly concerned that I may appear that way.


None taken. If this is better on that front, I'll switch to this. What do you think?

I think that’s better but don’t let my nitpicking away your decision one way or the other. You do you.

 

[N3ON]

I'd still say the Animal Crossing games were lesser known to the mainstream up until New Leaf, which I would say is comparable to FE Awakening in terms of the popularity boost it gave the series. If you look at the New Horizons sales numbers compared to New Leaf, the numbers have increased dramatically.

Still a pretty bad comparison I made, the general point I'm trying to get across is that Animal Crossing has surged in popularity this year, more than it ever has before.

I mean, New Leaf only sold about a million more than Wild World. Wild World, on the other hand, sold almost ten million more than the (western) original. It also spawned an anime and had Nintendo tout the Wii sequel as one of their centrepieces of the hilariously abysmal E3 2008.

I'd say Wild World did the most for the series until New Horizons.

And I agree that AC has surged in popularity, but a triple-A surging in popularity really only hastens the path it was already on. I mean, Zelda has gone from the three million selling Skyward Sword to the twenty million selling BotW. So we'll get more frequent attention on it, but it was going to get red carpet treatment regardless. When all is said and done BotW is going to more than double the sales of the next most successful Zelda, and that series was already considered one of Nintendo's "big three".

 

[TheBeastHimself]

I do hope that the last 3 of the pass continue with the crazy announcements that were Steve and Sephiroth. I think Min-Min, although an excellent choice, was still a very lukewarm character for most people. With Sephiroth and Steve they appeal to two COMPLETELY different generations of gamers and are both a huge deal in their own right. I would love to see Sakurai keep pushing that envelope.

I'd go for one more crazy announcement personally, but I also think there's room for some smaller characters.

 

[TheBeastHimself]

I mean, New Leaf only sold about a million more than Wild World. Wild World, on the other hand, sold almost ten million more than the (western) original. It also spawned an anime and had Nintendo tout the Wii sequel as one of their centrepieces of the hilariously abysmal E3 2008.

I'd say Wild World did the most for the series until New Horizons.

And I agree that AC has surged in popularity, but a triple-A surging in popularity really only hastens the path it was already on. I mean, Zelda has gone from the three million selling Skyward Sword to the twenty million selling BotW. So we'll get more frequent attention on it, but it was going to get red carpet treatment regardless. When all is said and done BotW is going to more than double the sales of the next most successful Zelda, and that series was already considered one of Nintendo's "big three".

Let me pose you a question then. Do you personally feel AC is up for another character? Or do you think what's already in Smash is likely enough?

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

I'd go for one more crazy announcement personally, but I also think there's room for some smaller characters.

I don’t necessarily mean these HUGE characters. More so, I’m looking for these generational crossings that have come out of both Steve and Sephiroth. Two completely different types of gamers blown away by each reveal for one game is an incredibly rare thing that only Smash can do. And I love that.

 

[N3ON]

Let me pose you a question then. Do you personally feel AC is up for another character? Or do you think what's already in Smash is likely enough?

I do feel it's warranting another character, but I've felt that way since before New Horizons was even a thing. Because even before that game it was already a triple-A series that only had two characters and one foundational moveset.

I just think its relative lack of content has been due to it being comparatively newer to Smash (especially in playable form), Sakurai's initial misgivings, and the potential difficulty of incorporating its material onto a fighting game roster. Not its lack of success or prevalence.

 

[I.D.]

I HAVE ONE (1) ISSUE WITH THIS

You put Chrono Cross music but no Chrono Trigger music, yet you put Crono on the Spirit board, Crono doesn't even appear in Chrono Cross (That is just one of my many issues with Chrono Cross but I digress)this is a joke I don't really care

This whole thing is irrelevant I can't read

All seriousness though, I wish something like this would happen that would be godlike

Just put both Trigger and Chross music because God knows Smash needs more music from Yasunori Mitsuda

 

[Powerman293]

I do hope that the last 3 of the pass continue with the crazy announcements that were Steve and Sephiroth. I think Min-Min, although an excellent choice, was still a very lukewarm character for most people. With Sephiroth and Steve they appeal to two COMPLETELY different generations of gamers and are both a huge deal in their own right. I would love to see Sakurai keep pushing that envelope.

I feel like we're in for at least one more huge bombshell next year. But yeah, I do think we are gonna get some "safer" characters. And by safer I mean characters like Ryu Hayabusa or Monster Hunter lol.

 

[ZelDan]

I do hope that the last 3 of the pass continue with the crazy announcements that were Steve and Sephiroth. I think Min-Min, although an excellent choice, was still a very lukewarm character for most people. With Sephiroth and Steve they appeal to two COMPLETELY different generations of gamers and are both a huge deal in their own right. I would love to see Sakurai keep pushing that envelope.

I think that’s better but don’t let my nitpicking away your decision one way or the other. You do you.

Eh, I feel like Min Min was overall positively received. If people weren't crazy about anything it was the lead up to her reveal or the odd way they went about announcing an ARMS rep.

 

[TheBeastHimself]

I do feel it's warranting another character, but I've felt that way since before New Horizons was even a thing. Because even before that game it was already a triple-A series that only had two characters and one foundational moveset.

I just think its relative lack of content has been due to it being comparatively newer to Smash (especially in playable form), Sakurai's initial misgivings, and the potential difficulty of incorporating its material onto a fighting game roster. Not its lack of success or prevalence.

I agree. Personally, I have trouble thinking up a moveset for an AC character aside from the ones we already see in Smash, but I'm sure something new could be worked out creatively, the games are very expansive with lots of materials to pull from.

I don’t necessarily mean these HUGE characters. More so, I’m looking for these generational crossings that have come out of both Steve and Sephiroth. Two completely different types of gamers blown away by each reveal for one game is an incredibly rare thing that only Smash can do. And I love that.

Oh okay I get what you mean now. And yeah, I'm totally up for that. I'd love to see the crossover expanded to the absolute limit. How crazy can things get? Seeing how the different generations of gamers can relate to each other and learn from their respective experiences through Smash is one of the reasons I love Smash so much to begin with.

 

[7NATOR]

Potentially we Could get a Character that Appeals to All Sides

-Old Generation
-New Generation
-Casual Smash Fans
-Hardcore Smash Fans
-Nintendo Audience
-Non-Nintendo Audience

Maybe not though

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Eh, I feel like Min Min was overall positively received. If people weren't crazy about anything it was the lead up to her reveal or the odd way they went about announcing an ARMS rep.

Yeah. I'm pretty sure Min Min specifically was well received, but the ARMS announcement was met with a huge "meh".

 

[N3ON]

Potentially we Could get a Character that Appeals to All Sides

-Old Generation
-New Generation
-Casual Smash Fans
-Hardcore Smash Fans
-Nintendo Audience
-Non-Nintendo Audience

Maybe not though

There aren't too many characters left that check all those boxes.

Crash, maybe.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Now I’m realizing I probably should have put Zack Fair on my Sephiroth Spirit Board concept

WE NEED A JEBAITED EMOTE CAUSE THATS MY MOOD 90% OF THE TIME LATELY.

 

[Shroob]

Eh, I feel like Min Min was overall positively received. If people weren't crazy about anything it was the lead up to her reveal or the odd way they went about announcing an ARMS rep.

She was definitely positively received, but there was a very clear difference between her and the other 2.


One's from a very recent Nintendo IP with, albeit some popularity.


The other two are Minecraft and FF7.


Big divide.

 

[PK Duststorm]

I feel like FP3 is nearly impossible.

Smash 4's DLC started from 2014-2016.

FP2's DLC will start from 2018-2021 if it ends with FP2.

If Ultimate has FP3, it could very well end in 2024. That will be 6 years after Ultimate has released. The dev teams need a break after all of this, and Ultimate's player-base will be a lot smaller by the time FP3 ends. Plus, the team has more projects to work, like maybe a Kid Icarus: Uprising sequel.

And as I keep on saying, Sakurai has deeply stated that FP2 will be the last pass of Ultimate.

Sakurai also deeply stated there would be no dlc after mewtwo. Just playing devil's advocate here. Making dlc stretch to 2022 or 2023 wouldn't be unprecedented for fighting games. It isnt like the smash fanbase is dwindling away either. Profits are up from year on year profit margins, including downloadable software like dlc. If the dev team played their hands well, it could happen. I'm doubtful theres more after FP2 personally. Also the size of the team working on dlc cant be the sum of the entire crew. It isnt as if making dlc on this level completely keeps that many people away from other projects.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

Not sure why people think another character is gonna show up on the 17th

 

[Shroob]

Not sure why people think another character is gonna show up on the 17th

NoA didn't tweet that it would, but the Japanese livestream clearly says there won't be.

It's just people going "WELL YOU NEVER KNOW...."

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Sakurai also deeply stated there would be no dlc after mewtwo.

Did he? I just remember him stating that he would not do any DLC until the base game was done.

 

[N3ON]

Not sure why people think another character is gonna show up on the 17th

Because they failed to read the Hype Responsibly sign.

 

[chocolatejr9]

Because they failed to read the Hype Responsibly sign.

This reminds me that somebody thought it'd be a good idea to make a sign that encouraged the opposite, and that there are people who unironically follow THAT sign...

 

[Deleted member]

Almost two days, and boom.

The Sephiroth presentation.

Good night, Smash speculators.

 

[SKX31]

Ah yes,

Sephiroth is my favorite game company

Sephiroth's restructuring of Shinra meant cutting costs everywhere.

I agree. Personally, I have trouble thinking up a moveset for an AC character aside from the ones we already see in Smash, but I'm sure something new could be worked out creatively, the games are very expansive with lots of materials to pull from.

It's kinda difficult, but one potential way to start would be to replace the Lloid Rocket with something else. That's been done twice already, and there's not much new stuff one can do with that. While finding another AC item might be difficult on the surface... I'm pretty sure that the different AC characters are associated with something that could be translated to Smash and not look out of place.

Another potential area one could focus on would be the aerials, if one wanted to give the new AC character its own identity. One could leave at least some of the grounded normals relatively unchanged.

I'm speaking as someone who's not played an Animal Crossing game, by the by.

 

[Momotsuki]

I don't remember Min Min being badly recieved. I'm not sure why she would or should be either. She's alright. ARMS wasn't the flop some people seem to think it was, so I don't see how it was all that surprising either. I think her reveal was rather mean though, I don't like it. I get that there was something similar with Terry, but nobody was given months to start thinking about that.

 

[cothero]

What schedule you guys think is being planned for the three fighters left? I'm betting something like fighter #79 in march, fighter #80 in june (at E3) and fighter #81 in september/october.

 

[PK Duststorm]

Did he? I just remember him stating that he would not do any DLC until the base game was done.

No Smash Bros. DLC after Mewtwo 'experiment'

‘We aren’t working on anything at the moment’ Mewtwo is coming to Super Smash Bros. next spring, but Masahiro Sakurai...

www.destructoid.com

 

[SirCamp]

Because they failed to read the Hype Responsibly sign.

hype responsibly sign: exists
Gamers:

 

[N3ON]

I agree. Personally, I have trouble thinking up a moveset for an AC character aside from the ones we already see in Smash, but I'm sure something new could be worked out creatively, the games are very expansive with lots of materials to pull from.

I could see a playstyle for Tom Nook whereby he has a bell counter, and when he damages a character he racks up bells, and when is damaged he loses them, like a solo version of coin match. When he has more bells he does more damage, and vice versa. However, he has a potentially very powerful attack that scales to the quantity of bells, but when used would deplete his resource, and he'd have to start from zero again. Conceptually it'd be like if the Wario waft had ammo.

Of course, that leaves the actual content of the moveset still to be figured out, but it's an interesting gimmick, if nothing else. Maybe he throws his nephews at you, lol.

 

[TheCJBrine]

it's a crime how comic sans can't be chosen from the font list, so you gotta do it manually.

SAME WITH PAPYRUS.

 

[Momotsuki]

What schedule you guys think is being planned for the three fighters left? I'm betting something like fighter #79 in march, fighter #80 in june (at E3) and fighter #81 in september/october.

No idea when Challenger 9 will be announced, but I'd bet on a March release. Crash Challenger 10'll get revealed at E3 if we have an E3, and released either later that month or maybe even July. Challenger 11 is revealed in a one-off, low-key Sakurai presentation and announced to release about a week later. This is in November/December of 2021.

 

[Guynamednelson]

I do hope that the last 3 of the pass continue with the crazy announcements that were Steve and Sephiroth.

Don't keep your expectations up too high. All of Ultimate's phases seem to only have two "hype bombs" dropped.

 

[7NATOR]

Oh By the Way, I'd like to do some Sonic Plugging real quick

New Sonic 3D Animated Series coming to Netflix in 2022 : SonicTheHedgehog (reddit.com)

It was Deleted tweet, post goes into it. this was shortly before TGA's, but it Shows Sega is going Ham for Sonic's 30th Anniversary (that and the Movie Coming out)

I've said that Nintendo might notice that Sonic will especially be Relevant in the years of 2020/2021, where FP2 will be a thing, and might give notice to Another Sonic character in this Pass.

Now I Think Shadow personally, but I know most, if not all here or thinking Eggman or Tails if we got another Character

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Also SKX31 I Know you're Like to Post about the Competeive Viabilities of the characters, So I wanted to ask you something

5:36

So in this Analysis, It Seems Sephiroth sprouts his Wing after doing the Attack. The One Wing is speculated to be Tied to some type of Mechanic that enhances his Moves.

There's a Possibility that Sephiroth could be the First Character that gets Rewarded and more Powerful for doing good. Usually with Mechanics like this you have to Take damage. What do you think would be the Consequences (Both Postive and Negative) of this

 

[Momotsuki]

it's a crime how comic sans can't be chosen from the font list, so you gotta do it manually.

SAME WITH PAPYRUS.

Are you using inline CSS for that? I forgot that was even a thing. If you are, I oughta start using my actual favorite font, EPSON Mincho P Bold. Nevermind.

 

[blackghost]

Chun-Li has been getting mentioned, so I thought it be interesting to post this

There was a post in 2018 from xenother , the guy who talked to Vergeben. He said that Chun-Li was scrapped due to moveset reasons and never made it to the Development phase

[SPOILER ALERT] - The Sevens Squares. - A Square-Enix general support threads. | Page 77 | Smashboards

Though this guy did say no Banjo, so eh. Perhaps he heard Steve a whole bunch and assumed no Steve and Banjo and Same pass, but interesting post to look back on. Don't think it's real right now, yes

i just dont buy that for chun-li. id buy moveset creation and adaption issues for astral chain but not chun-li.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

It's kinda difficult, but one potential way to start would be to replace the Lloid Rocket with something else. That's been done twice already, and there's not much new stuff one can do with that. While finding another AC item might be difficult on the surface... I'm pretty sure that the different AC characters are associated with something that could be translated to Smash and not look out of place.

Another potential area one could focus on would be the aerials, if one wanted to give the new AC character its own identity. One could leave at least some of the grounded normals relatively unchanged.

I'm speaking as someone who's not played an Animal Crossing game, by the by.

Well with Tom Nook and K. K. Slider being the only other two major characters in the series (at least, they seem to be), I'm sure the next one will break the mold. Neither of them would be able to follow the daily task shtick all that closely, and they have interesting things that they do beyond that.

Tom Nook has a bunch of things that he gives you throughout the series, so maybe his moveset could center around furniture rather than tools. I can just imagine his Forward Smash having him forcefully push the Froggy Chair forward, and either being shocked as it falls over, pleased with where it ended up, or deciding it shouldn't be there at all and picking it up.

Maybe he throws his nephews at you, lol.

It's astonishing how normal an idea that is.