Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[N3ON]

Well that's not my intention, so don't put ****ing words in my mouth.

I agree Eggman is probably the most iconic villain not in Smash now. I just think he makes more sense as a boss. Just like Porky, Wily, Andross, Mother Brain, etc. And that's all there is to it.

I didn't. I said that's what it seems like. Take it easy.

Your opinion is your opinion but the way you envision him as a boss is presumably closer to how he'd function as a character than the sparring, hand-to-hand combatant you've suggested.

 

[Faso115]

Yeah, some people are forgetting some of the potential second third party popular choices are ATs like Knuckles or Zero.

Spirits are fair game tho

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

So what's up with Cloud's new Final Smash? Is it like a skin specific thing or a complete overhaul?

In any case, i expect the direct to go over it.

Whatever happens with it, it's definitely specific to the Advent Children outfit since the Buster Sword can't split in different swords, only the Fusion Swords from Advent Children can.

 

[N3ON]

Yeah, some people are forgetting some of the potential second third party popular choices are ATs like Knuckles or Zero.

Spirits are fair game tho

It is funny how beforehand people were talking about Tails or Knuckles or Shadow as the 2nd, but now we get Sephiroth and all that takes a backseat to, surprise surprise, Sonic's main villain.

Y'all are too easy.

 

[Ben Holt]

Yeah, some people are forgetting some of the potential second third party popular choices are ATs like Knuckles or Zero.

Spirits are fair game tho

Maybe I'm biased, but Tails comes before Knuckles.
But Tails and Eggman are on equal footing.

It is funny how beforehand people were talking about Tails or Knuckles or Shadow as the 2nd, but now we get Sephiroth and all that takes a backseat to, surprise surprise, Sonic's main villain.



Y'all are too easy.

You can check the dates of my posts. I ALWAYS wanted Eggman.

 

[PLATINUM7]

Whatever happens with it, it's definitely specific to the Advent Children outfit since the Buster Sword can't split in different swords, only the Fusion Swords from Advent Children can.

He could just switch swords during the Final Smash.

 

[DarthEnderX]

I just want a Boss Rush mode. They're all neat and interesting options to fight. You have the stages. It just needs to be literally coded/put together.

100%. Kirby has GREAT boss rush modes you could port directly to Smash.

 

[Shroob]

I'm just glad by this time in about 6 months we'll probably have most of the DLC revealed with CP9 and CP10 known.


I just wanna see how insane speculation over CP11 gets in the final months leading up to it. It's going to be a bloody warzone.

 

[ahemtoday]

Wasn't it Project M that went for Knuckles as a second Sonic rep? That's... never quite made sense to me as a pick. Cards on the table: I am a big Sonic fan, so maybe I'm a little too close to the issue to see it clearly? Is that what's going on?

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

He could just switch swords during the Final Smash.

Yeah, but the idea of his Final Smash visually changing based on the skin is just so cool.

Wasn't it Project M that went for Knuckles as a second Sonic rep? That's... never quite made sense to me as a pick.

& Knuckles meme?

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Oh cool, we discussing Wily?
Obvs answer is to put him in the Mega Man Soccer outfit and build his moveset around summoning various Robot Masters as mini-assists a la Captain Ginyu in FighterZ.
Or a Wily Capsule, either/or.

I'd personally go nuts with a completely new Wily Machine. You'd have a smaller machine built for the game, and you could chock it full of attacks from other Wily Machines/Wily Capsules and other Wily bosses in general. It would also allow for mechanics to be made up in order to tie the Wily Machine and Wily Capsule together (or they could just make it a 100% activated panic mode, but that sounds like it would easily be the most annoying mechanic in the game).

It would fit Dr. Wily quite well since he builds new Wily Machines all the time.

100%. Kirby has GREAT boss rush modes you could port directly to Smash.

Heck, you could literally just stick the bosses into All Star Mode.


Wait...

 

[N3ON]

Wasn't it Project M that went for Knuckles as a second Sonic rep? That's... never quite made sense to me as a pick. Cards on the table: I am a big Sonic fan, so maybe I'm a little too close to the issue to see it clearly? Is that what's going on?

Knuckles just tends to be more popular than Tails or Eggman, and Shadow is rather divisive.

It doesn't really make sense from a hierarchical perspective, but I'd be lying if I said he wasn't who I'd want as a 2nd character.

I also have a feeling he was one of the ATs added due to ballot popularity.

 

[Dalek_Kolt]

I'd personally go nuts with a completely new Wily Machine. You'd have a smaller machine built for the game, and you could chock it full of attacks from other Wily Machines/Wily Capsules and other Wily bosses in general. It would also allow for mechanics to be made up in order to tie the Wily Machine and Wily Capsule together (or they could just make it a 100% activated panic mode, but that sounds like it would easily be the most annoying mechanic in the game).

It would fit Dr. Wily quite well since he builds new Wily Machines all the time.

I'm now imagining someone modding D.Va over this theoretical Smash Wily.

 

[Ben Holt]

Yeah, some people are forgetting some of the potential second third party popular choices are ATs like Knuckles or Zero.

Spirits are fair game tho

What really gets me is that most of the Assist Trophies seem almost programmed to be playable. They have air dodges, knockback animations, animations for being grabbed and thrown, etc.
You know how in Melee, if you go the Master Hand glitch, you could actually control Master Hand?
It feels like someone aught to be able to hack into Ultimate and make Assist Trophies playable.

 

[Venus of the Desert Bloom]

It is funny how beforehand people were talking about Tails or Knuckles or Shadow as the 2nd, but now we get Sephiroth and all that takes a backseat to, surprise surprise, Sonic's main villain.

Y'all are too easy.

Take my word for it,

Dr. Eggman, Ghost, Liquid Snake, Father Balder, Dr. Wily, Geeze Howard, Gruntilda, Ysdabaloth whatever, Dragon Knight, Ender Dragon, Dracula, and M. Bison are all top tier speculation material now.

 

[DarthEnderX]

It doesn't really make sense from a hierarchical perspective, but I'd be lying if I said he wasn't who I'd want as a 2nd character.

This.

Like, yeah, Tails is the OFFICIAL #2 Sonic character. But Tails is lame as hell.

But Knuckles is cool. And Shadow? Shadow is TOO cool.

 

[Ben Holt]

Take my word for it,

Dr. Eggman, Ghost, Liquid Snake, Father Balder, Dr. Wily, Geeze Howard, Gruntilda, Ysdabaloth whatever, Dragon Knight, Ender Dragon, Dracula, and M. Bison are all top tier speculation material now.

You mean Akuma? He's generally considered the true antagonist of Street Fighter rather than Bison.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

I'm now imagining someone modding D.Va over this theoretical Smash Wily.

Next time on cursed Smash mods: D.Va over Dr. Wily.
shows a clip of her face with Dr. Wily's head shape doing his eyebrow wiggle

 

[N3ON]

Take my word for it,

Dr. Eggman, Ghost, Liquid Snake, Father Balder, Dr. Wily, Geeze Howard, Gruntilda, Ysdabaloth whatever, Dragon Knight, Ender Dragon, Dracula, and M. Bison are all top tier speculation material now.

Yeah but only until FP9 has people once again reevaluating everything.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

You mean Akuma? He's generally considered the true antagonist of Street Fighter rather than Bison.

Is he? I mean, he's clearly an antagonist to Ryu, but for the rest of the series? I wouldn't think so.

 

[SharkLord]

You mean Akuma? He's generally considered the true antagonist of Street Fighter rather than Bison.

...Not really? From what I can gather, Akuma's not really evil, he's just a stupidly overpowered guy who goes around trying to find strong dudes to fight. Bison is actually evil and drives the plot for a decent amount of games.

Also, he has much higher meme value.

 

[MarioRaccoon]

How are you feeling about it dude?

Haha i didn’t expect it to happen, what I like about smash is the dream matchups that it can be possible to play, and it was a dream for me to have a fight between ganandorf and sephiroth. This is a unique characteristic of this game. I admit that my most wanted was Sora but I believed in the rumors talking about Disney asking too much money and not a big fan of other square-enix IPs like Mana, Nier, TWEWY or Star Ocean.

btw, curious to see Sephiroth at 79th place in source gaming poll of this year (95th in 2019 poll). I supposed he wasn’t very popular in the hardcore smash circles like this forum, although the reaction was quite good. He shared the same spot as “generic Gen 8 Pokémon”.

 

[Deleted member]

So one thing I really want to know is...was Verg right when he said Ryu Hayabusa was talked about, or at least Koei Tecmo crossing over into Smash, at some point?

I know I keep harping on this character, however if we really are looking at a lineup that was decided even before Fighter Pass 1 started, I think there are actually quite a few implications for who the last 3 are.

I don’t think folks would like those implications, but we can’t really come to that conclusion unless we know of other characters.

The thing with Hayabusa is that IAmShifty reported the same thing, that they had heard Hayabusa. Now, the dude has been in a multitude of fake leaks so it’s entirely plausible they got baited...however I think it may be a good idea not to count him out.

Thoughts?

Back during the time we were on the road to FP5, Vergeburger said discussions for Hayabusa in Smash may have been leaked which was why a few insiders ended up being wrong about him being DLC so far.

Fast forward to the time after Steve's reveal, he only mentions Smash talks between Koei-Tecmo and Nintendo took place but didn't specify on what character would potentially be in Smash. He hasn't said anything since.

It's unlikely that Koei-Tecmo will get a Mii Costume during Sephiroth's presentation as Square Enix most likely has a lot of say on the matter of what Mii Costumes will come alongside CP8. I'm just going to assume Koei-Tecmo's placement on Vol 2 will be CP10 because the top Koei-Tecmo reps on my head don't really sound so ideal to release next to Seph. I mean, both Hayabusa and Seph wear black and have swords despite being completely different, and Zhao Yun's spear and Lu bu's halberd would probably have similar reach to Seph even if they're different as well. You kinda want a character in between that doesn't look or feel similar to either of them.

 

[DarthEnderX]

Dr. Eggman, Ghost, Liquid Snake, Father Balder, Dr. Wily, Geeze Howard, Gruntilda, Ysdabaloth whatever, Dragon Knight, Ender Dragon, Dracula, and M. Bison are all top tier speculation material now.

Who's Dragon Knight?

You mean Akuma? He's generally considered the true antagonist of Street Fighter rather than Bison.

Nah man, Akuma is the bonus boss, and rarely ever involved in the main plot.

Bison, Gill and Seth are your main villains. And Bison is by far the most iconic.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

I'm not gonna jump and say that they're likely now.

But I am glad that Eggman and Tails are no longer pipe dream character. Maybe next game, we'll get them.

 

[ahemtoday]

Who's Dragon Knight?

I think this is possibly supposed to be Dragon Quest? But I think they're thinking of Dragonlord, in this case.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

You mean Akuma? He's generally considered the true antagonist of Street Fighter rather than Bison.

He's an antagonist to Ryu's journey of becoming the strongest fighter, but when it comes to the story as a whole, M. Bison is the main villain in most games and Gill is the main villain of 3.

Akuma actually did a good thing by attacking Bison in 2, so he's clearly more of a third party who seeks to corrupt Ryu and nothing else.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

From what I can gather, Akuma's not really evil, he's just a stupidly overpowered guy who goes around trying to find strong dudes to fight.

Yeah, I think he is supposed to be evil, as he has embraced the Satsui no Hado (which is like, bloodlust or something), and has no problems with killing people...there might even be something about rejecting humanity in there too. But in terms of actual things that he's done, I think he's only really pestered Ryu.

Also he's friends with Elena.

 

[N3ON]

Doesn't really matter since neither will get in before Chun Li.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Yeah, I think he is supposed to be evil, as he has embraced the Satsui no Hado (which is like, bloodlust or something), and has no problems with killing people...there might even be something about rejecting humanity in there too. But in terms of actual things that he's done, I think he's only really pestered Ryu.

Also he's friends with Elena.

He has yet to fully reject his humanity.

If he does so, he'd become Oni, a non-canon character from Street Fighter IV who's meant to represent what if he did just that.

So his entire character is managing to balance the Hado and his humanity.

 

[ahemtoday]

And in any case, something tells me Yaldabaoth isn't quite in the running for another Persona rep. I know Ridley showed size is malleable when it comes to Smash, but Yaldy is like twice the height of a skyscraper in his only appearance.

I think the main takeaway from Sephiroth isn't that we'll get third-party villains specifically, but that additional unique characters from third-party franchises in general are now on the table.

 

[SharkLord]

He has yet to fully reject his humanity.

If he does so, he'd become Oni, a non-canon character from Street Fighter IV who's meant to represent what if he did just that.

So his entire character is managing to balance the Hado and his humanity.

Yeah, pretty much. That, and he only kills people once he feels they have reached their limit; If he can't squeeze any more power out of them, he no longer has a reason to keep them around. Canonically, he's only tried to do this twice, and he was only successful once.

 

[DarthEnderX]

I think this is possibly supposed to be Dragon Quest? But I think they're thinking of Dragonlord, in this case.

Eh, still not a great pick.

For playable DQ villain, you want Psaro. For a boss, Estark is the obvious choice.

 

[Faso115]

Yeah Chun-Li is really being sleeped on considering that whenever there is a SF crossover, she is usually included alongside Ryu.

I'm not exactly expecting her but considering her status as "Miss Fighting Game" i guess she would a pretty big deal.

Her inputs would be a nightmare. Isnt she a charge character? I have to check her SFII moveset

 

[Shroob]

Eh, still not a great pick.

For playable DQ villain, you want Psaro. For a boss, Estark is the obvious choice.

This is Zoma slander and I will not stand for it.

 

[Idon]

Yaldabaoth is a giant mess of triangles that no one cares about because he's only there to serve as an asspull final boss.
Goro Akechi on the other hand is uhh, quite popular for being a baddie.

Whichever the case, Atlus's next rep is probably gonna be Persona again so that buries SMT even harder.

 

[Shroob]

Yaldabaoth is a giant mess of triangles that no one cares about because he's only there to serve as an asspull final boss.

Goro Akechi on the other hand is uhh, quite popular for being a baddie.

Whichever the case, Atlus's next rep is probably gonna be Persona again so that buries SMT even harder.

Compromise


We just get Demi-Fiend or Jack Frost with a YHVH boss.


No, it'll never happen for obvious reasons, but Mario punching god in the face would be something else.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Guys. Guys. Calm down. We all know the true villain we need is Yu Yevon.

 

[Venus of the Desert Bloom]

Who's Dragon Knight?


Nah man, Akuma is the bonus boss, and rarely ever involved in the main plot.

Bison, Gill and Seth are your main villains. And Bison is by far the most iconic.

I mean the Dragonlord.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Chun-Li is Capcom's number two for crossovers.

You think they'd skip out on her if she was an option?