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Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

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JOJONumber691

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You're missing the point of the end of the video.

The idea isn't that "these characters only have popularity going for them", it's "these characters' situations are more complicated than their popularity may lead you to initially believe". For many outsiders and even people who haven't been in the speculation scene that long, who's getting the most discussion is often who's considered the most likely. The end of the video is a cautioned warning against this degree of binary thinking, that discussion is not the end all be all of Smash speculation and that critical thinking on a popular character's chances can go a long way.
YES! THIS IS MY ENTIRE POINT THANK YOU!
 

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Dante and Vergil would be epic.
Legit. Shadow is My Most wanted, but I'd actually be more excited if we Got Both Dante AND Vergil at the Same time. Dante is Very Very Cool, but Vergil is like one of the Coolest characters ever

The only way Vergil would get in would be if Dante gets in now as DLC and then for the next Smash they bring him back and then go for Vergil to break the "rule" of a 3rd party series having 2 unique characters.
And that won't happen with DMC, even if I'd love that. If that ever happens it will be either Sonic or Street Fighter, I think. Maybe Mega Man.

As for Vergil content, if Dante is one of the challenger packs, Vergil will be, for sure, a spirit, and a stage cameo if they decide to go that route with Devil May Cry.
Possibly a Mii Costume. Also I could see Dante's Final Smash featuring Vergil, similar to Robin's Final Smash I guess. In that case it would probably replicate this scene from DMC3 (spoilers):

If Dante gets in I'd love to have Bury the Light as one of the included songs. I know the chances of this are almost none because of how recent is the song and all but hey, who knows.
I think if they break the rule of 3rd Parties having Unique Characters in the next game, they'll probably do more than one Series, especially since DLC is Concerned since DLC is actually the best time to have secondary Unique characters from 3rd parties

And Bury the Light could be added in, it depends on how Early it was recorded. Well I guess it probably be recorded later than when negotations happened, but perhaps Capcom can give Nintendo the Song anyway.

I don't know if Vergil would be in Dante's Final Smash. I think SDT Dante, with Judgement might be what they go for, unless if they amazingly added SDT Dante to his Regular moveset. it's totally possible though

Vergil Being a Mii Costume is Guranteed if we get Dante and Vergil isn't Playable
 

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It’s interesting to see how many out of Rate their Chances make it into FP2.

1. Crash Bandicoot
2. Rex
3. Lloyd Irving
4. Ryu Hayabusa
5. Travis Touchdown
6. Steve (Minecraft)
7. Phoenix Wright
8. Geno
9. Dante
10. Sora
This was pre-October and at this point Steve is in and Travis is disconfirmed.
 

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There was a problem fetching the tweet

Also for anyone who's interested on the pre-show of The Game Awards:
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Very cool and surprising. Persona is definitely not niche at this point lmao
what if they like.... put Joker Persona 5 in smash that would be pretty cool I think.

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Damn, Persona 5 really pushed Persona into the mainstream. I dont know if it was good timing, word of mouth or just shear damn luck but it broke out of the mold.

I thought Fire Emblem Three Houses was gonna do that but it really didn't tbh.
 

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On the topic of themed Fire Emblem games, I mean, it's just me, but I think a Pirate-themed Fire Emblem game would be cool. Using inspiration from The Odyssey, Jason and the Argonauts, Atlantis, the mythical city of Ys, the Ages of Piracy, The Count of Monte Cristo, 20,000 Leagues Under the Sea, etc. Like sure, Nintendo has Wind Waker as a Sea-faring game, but c'mon.
The leader and his crew, exploring around a world with big islands, with both navel battles and on-board ship battles, going to both giant island kingdoms and mysterious islands, finding legendary ruins, the dragon characters' forms are Sea Serpent themed, and when nearing the final battle, to get to where the final battle takes place, you use whatever legendary object to split the sea into two to walk down to the area and you prepare for the worst as you near the area while the Guardian Leviathan dragon just gazes at you from the walls of the split ocean.
I just think a Pirate-themed Fire Emblem game would be cool.
This would be pretty sweet too. Plus, you don't have to sacrifice too much of the medieval fantasy aesthetic like some people are worried about. Just make it a little more modern and crank up the fantasy elements accordingly so they aren't drowned out. While we're at it, let's find a way to incorporate sea life into the gameplay. I'm a stickler for those guys.
To be honest, it would hurt even more if we started getting FE characters that took pages from the themes of other Nintendo games.

Imagine getting a FE character wearing a spacesuit with a blaster, or one with clothing reminiscent of Greek mythology.
I mean
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Sorta? It's not all-out Greek, but I can see a bit of influence in there.
 

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It’s fine... it was his time to go. At least I told him all I wanted to tell him.
Just remember you have friends here and we're all here for you if there's anything you ever need to talk about. Take all the time you need if you want to take a break as well, we understand what you might be going through.

May your father rest in peace.
 

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There was a problem fetching the tweet

Also for anyone who's interested on the pre-show of The Game Awards:
There was a problem fetching the tweet

Very cool and surprising. Persona is definitely not niche at this point lmao
LYN?
oh ok I guess Ill still watch for that
 

7NATOR

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Thanks for the laugh tho, spammer. I could use it after my father died this morning...
I Don't Personally Know what to say to this. That's Rough, and I'm sorry to hear that. I Hope he Rest easy though, and it's good you managed to tell him everything you wanted to to him apparently

We Came here for Smash, but we are also a Community and We Watch over each other. So I think even for people that don't have the Words for this, I Believe that they have your Well-being in Mind and such, and There are many that can help if if gets rough. yes
 

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This one is just... wow. It doesn’t even make sense. They don’t even sell these soundtracks. Nintendo is the only dinosaur in the industry that doesn’t sell their own music. I would’ve bought the entirety of the Smash Ultimate OST if I actually could.
They do sell them...as physical CDs. Want legal digital copies? You're SoL.

At first I thought this was GiivaSunner's Twitter, AKA the parody one. Which would've been worse.
 

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They do sell them...as physical CDs. Want legal digital copies? You're SoL.

At first I thought this was GiivaSunner's Twitter, AKA the parody one. Which would've been worse.
It is amusing to imagine Nintendo employees stumbling upon SilvaGunner's rips and being utterly confused:


"Is this really from the game?"
"...I don't know."
 
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This one is just... wow. It doesn’t even make sense. They don’t even sell these soundtracks. Nintendo is the only dinosaur in the industry that doesn’t sell their own music. I would’ve bought the entirety of the Smash Ultimate OST if I actually could.
There is something here that has yet to be clarified that might be pretty important. They said they were claimed by Nintendo JP, Due to the fact that there is no Nintendo of Japan it's just Nintendo, This could be some fraudulent claims although I'm not really confident in this theory. This theory could be put to rest if they show the name of the copyright wielder who claimed it.


OR Nintendo is planning on rereleasing the OST's and/or Their copyright bots are on serious overdrive.
 

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There is something here that has yet to be clarified that might be pretty important. They said they were claimed by Nintendo JP, Due to the fact that there is no Nintendo of Japan it's just Nintendo, This could be some fraudulent claims although I'm not really confident in this theory. This theory could be put to rest if they show the name of the copyright wielder who claimed it.


OR Nintendo is planning on rereleasing the OST's and/or Their copyright bots are on serious overdrive.
Wait, I thought If it was just Nintendo, that there was some shady stuff going on. I Beilieve usually they Either use Nintendo of America or Nintendo of Japan as a Trademark

Vergil is never happening.

He is only allowed to be playable in special editions
Well In Japan, this Game is Called Super Smash Bros. Special. by that logic Vergil should actually be playable in this Game (but I guess as Japanese Exclusive?)

Even then, they could add a Special edition of Ultimate to Super Switch. yes
 

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Wait, I thought If it was just Nintendo, that there was some shady stuff going on. I Beilieve usually they Either use Nintendo of America or Nintendo of Japan as a Trademark
I have never been copyright claimed by Nintendo this is just what I've gathered from others but AFAIK, It is legit if the holder has "co." or "ltd." or some variation of that in it, If it's just Nintendo with no trademark stuff then there is a reason to be a bit suspicious but not all of the times just most of the times. and again Nintendo of Japan does not exist and is instead just "Nintendo"
 
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Rie Sonomura Rie Sonomura My condolences.

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Wait, those claims might be under false pretenses? That'd make sense. People are really against Nintendo lately in general. But yeah, even their Twitter is just "Nintendo", while it's other countries that specific like Nintendo America, etc.
 

7NATOR

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Actually, Since we are talking Takedowns and such recently with everything that has been going on, Might I interest you guys in a Topic from awhile back

You guys remember the whole deal with Legacy XP and how there was Speculation that it might have been taken down because it related to the DLC of this game, especially after Papagenos talked about something that could lead to that being the case?

I Believe Nintendo Pressured People into Project M falling out of favor and eventually being taken Down. and they had their interests in doing that since they saw Project M as a threat. Could the Same thing have happened to Legacy XP because Nintendo might have saw it as a threat (Keep in Mind That it wasn't a Heavily competitive game to the length Project M was)
 

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My condolences to the family of Rie Sonomura Rie Sonomura . May her father rest in peace.

Also, Nintendo is really going on copyright overdrive.
They're not. Nintendo of Japan isn't actually a thing and never was. That's someone falsely claiming to be them. The real company will never use an incorrect name like that on a legitimate file claim.

Not to say Nintendo hasn't done a bit of this before, but this isn't one of those cases. Hell, the Etikons had nothing to do with copyright either(but trademark, where they had to take action or lose the rights to the Joycon trademark). I'm sure there's a lot of examples recently this year of legitimate copyright claims, though.
 
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