Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[Hydreigonfan01]

Well NateDrake did say that we might get something Tuesday so we might neg new games or something tomorrow. A new consoles like N64 or GB would be nice, but I'm not getting my hopes up for that.

Tbh I thought the new thing we got was Doom Eternal's release date and NateDrake was simply a day late.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Both the NES and SNES Nintendo Switch Online games were giving updates. v5.0.0 and v2.0.0. There are no new games in the update. Preparing for something else? pic.twitter.com/HeNU9WPFtv

— Daniel Vuckovic (@VOOK64) November 30, 2020

So the NES and SNES NSO apps are updated with no changes...
Maybe more info by tomorrow?

That'd add up with Nate saying we'd get something on Tuesday so probably.


As for Crash not being seen as unique, it's not just because he doesn't have an obvious gimmick to include, but I'd say it's because he only really has 4 moves. Spin, slide, belly flop and a ****ing rocket launcher. Sure, Sakurai's done more with less, but when there's that little to work with, people typically struggle with what to add for the rest of the moves without making it too repetitive. Personally, I'd make him act like a Looney tunes character for his normals. Overly comedic animations have worked for Smash before but Crash would be the one case who absolutely requires it for everything he has

You will get original Game Boy games and you will like them

Obviously this is to tie in for Tatanga joining Smash, clearly, he's the Mario spinoff character people have wanted for 20 years

 

[Lamperouge]

You will get original Game Boy games and you will like them

**** that, where's my Virtual Boy app?

 

[Mushroomguy12]

If you always keep your expectations this high then you will only be disappointed

I have been burned too many times (ಥ﹏ಥ)

I mean I'm not expecting it to actually happen, but that doesn't mean I can't be vocal about it.

 

[DarthEnderX]

I have my own reason why I hate Hayabusa, case in point, he's a leak character. If it weren't for that something something Sigma Trilogy he wouldn't have been brought up

Even without those things, I'd say speculation for him would be on the same level as Simon's was during Smash 4.

the less gimmicky your character gets will be the least rememberable out of the cast, you glad that Banjo is highly requested or else he will be easily forgotten among the sea of gimmick character even lower than Byleth

Completely disagree. The more gimmicky a character is, the more likely I am to throw them directly in the trash.

 

[Cosmic77]

"Unique" and "gimmicky" aren't synonymous. You can have a very unique character without forcing a gimmick on them. All three of the big fan requests (Ridley, K. Rool, and Banjo) accomplish this.

I think some characters like Min Min and Steve need a gimmick in order for their abilities to truly work. That being said, I don't want Sakurai to add a gimmick to multiple characters who honestly don't need a gimmick. That's overcomplicating the character's moveset for the sake of making it easier to make them stand out.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

lol imagine wind waker online

 

[Rie Sonomura]

"Unique" and "gimmicky" aren't synonymous. You can have a very unique character without forcing a gimmick on them. All three of the big fan requests (Ridley, K. Rool, and Banjo) accomplish this.

I think some characters like Min Min and Steve need a gimmick in order for their abilities to truly work. That being said, I don't want Sakurai to add a gimmick to multiple characters who honestly don't need a gimmick. That's overcomplicating the character's moveset for the sake of making it easier to make them stand out.

Also Isabelle’s a semi clone of Villager and she has their move-pocketing gimmick but a handful of different moves

if we were to get say Octoling, they’d share Inkling’s ink gimmick and the up b but with a smol octopus instead of squid. Their other moves would likely be different of course

 

[Megadoomer]

You will get original Game Boy games and you will like them

But not Pokémon Red and Blue - those will be separate $12 downloads that still require an online subscription, if the 3DS is any indication.

 

[SharkLord]

"Unique" and "gimmicky" aren't synonymous. You can have a very unique character without forcing a gimmick on them. All three of the big fan requests (Ridley, K. Rool, and Banjo) accomplish this.

I think some characters like Min Min and Steve need a gimmick in order for their abilities to truly work. That being said, I don't want Sakurai to add a gimmick to multiple characters who honestly don't need a gimmick. That's overcomplicating the character's moveset for the sake of making it easier to make them stand out.

I think Byleth is a good example of this. Sakurai could've gone haywire with the Divine Pulse, but he gave them the weapon triangle instead. This let them be unique without having some crazy earth-rending gimmick.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

lol imagine wind waker online

Didn’t WW HD have that in game snapshots feature you could share to Miiverse

then again that’s not quite “online” is it...

 

[Ivander]

lol imagine wind waker online

One player plays Link. The other plays Tingle with the Tingle Tuner.........What?

 

[Guynamednelson]

Besides, Nintendo's choosing the fighters. I doubt Sakurai would look at Crash and go "Nope, can't spin something unique out of that," not when Banjo and Kazooie exist.

It's not as simple as "Here's six characters, go make them, no questions asked". Besides, in the Byleth Direct, Sakurai said that due to the large roster, their plans are to make the most out of new gameplay mechanics, trying to offer you a whole new style of play. Even Banjo and Byleth try to do this with the mechanics of Wonderwing and the properties of Byleth's non-sword moves.

 

[RileyXY1]

2/10 just because a lot of people think uncreatively on how that theory can be solved by having 2-in-1 character when they don't really need one (Lloyd with his girlfriend or whatever) or just a having a different gender variation for an odd character (Coco as Crash's alt??????? like wtf!)

I mean that just scream 'desperate'

I do think that Voice Theory is desperate and no different from all the other crapshot theories we've had to sit through since FP1.

 

[7NATOR]

Do you guys agree with How Joker and Byleth were implemented, since it seems their movesets more represent the game they are from than the characters themselves?

 

[Mushroomguy12]

You will get original Game Boy games and you will like them

But only for 6 months, then we'll take them away and never use them again for the rest of the Switch's lifespan.

 

[SharkLord]

It's not as simple as "Here's six characters, go make them, no questions asked". Besides, in the Byleth Direct, Sakurai said that due to the large roster, their plans are to make the most out of new gameplay mechanics, trying to offer you a whole new style of play. Even Banjo and Byleth try to do this with the mechanics of Wonderwing and the properties of Byleth's non-sword moves.

Just because he's "going to make the most out of it" doesn't mean he's going to scrap someone because they're too simple. The "new ways to play!" idea just seems like needless gatekeeping for more simplistic characters, especially seeing as we only have two characters so far. Banjo and Byleth don't shake up the overall Smash formula to a major extent; If they're considered gimmicky, Kirby and ROB would be considered gimmicky.

 

[RileyXY1]

Just because he's "going to make the most out of it" doesn't mean he's going to scrap someone because he's too simple. The "new ways to play!" idea just seems like needless gatekeeping for more simplistic characters, especially seeing as we only have two characters so far. Banjo and Byleth don't shake up the overall Smash formula to a major extent; If they're considered gimmicky, Kirby and ROB would be considered gimmicky.

Yeah. I don't think that DLC characters have to be overly complex.

 

[Ivander]

Talking about Wind Waker and multiplayer online reminds me of Four Swords Adventure and how much I want an actual Zelda game with multiplayer. Not like Hyrule Warriors, but like main-game Zelda.

 

[RileyXY1]

As for the Nintendo park, I think that it absolutely will expand to other Nintendo IPs.

 

[ROBnWatch]

I get what you mean: that said, there's an argument to be made that that simplicity is somewhat deceptive. Take this pro player's opinions on how easy or difficult it is to learn the basics and play a character competently (he was semi-joking around as he said, evidenced by the tier names):

How difficult I think it is to play each character at a competent level. This is ordered with left being harder than right.

This is for getting the basics down with a character. Don't take this too seriously as the tier names imply I was joking around a lot. pic.twitter.com/i00i3HRajV

— Liquid | Dabuz (@DabuzSenpai) November 29, 2020

When you have at least one character in each tier

 

[7NATOR]

Just because he's "going to make the most out of it" doesn't mean he's going to scrap someone because they're too simple. The "new ways to play!" idea just seems like needless gatekeeping for more simplistic characters, especially seeing as we only have two characters so far. Banjo and Byleth don't shake up the overall Smash formula to a major extent; If they're considered gimmicky, Kirby and ROB would be considered gimmicky.

I do Think though that More Unique ideas could be an advantage a character has over another Character, to the point that it could lead to the more unique character being picked

Though I do think we should have characters that Don't change Smash Mechanics in their moveset. Min-Min and Steve are unique and such, but I don't want every character breaking Smash in Half and such

 

[SharkLord]

I get what you mean: that said, there's an argument to be made that that simplicity is somewhat deceptive. Take this pro player's opinions on how easy or difficult it is to learn the basics and play a character competently (he was semi-joking around as he said, evidenced by the tier names):

How difficult I think it is to play each character at a competent level. This is ordered with left being harder than right.

This is for getting the basics down with a character. Don't take this too seriously as the tier names imply I was joking around a lot. pic.twitter.com/i00i3HRajV

— Liquid | Dabuz (@DabuzSenpai) November 29, 2020

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loudly slurps glue

 

[PeridotGX]

Time's running out for that one geno theory about the mario tournament

geno on december 4th at 11:30 so he doesn't miss the mario tourney

 

[SharkLord]

geno on november 4th at 11:30 so he doesn't miss the mario tourney

jino boost

 

[ARandomFruit]

ALLOW ME TO TAKE THIS OPPORTUNITY TO SHILL .HACK. I rarely see anyone talking about it sooooo

deep breath

Haseo. That is all.

drops mic

During the time I was playing the first .Hack//G.U. game I was just thinking "Man Haseo in Smash would be cool." so I will also shill .Hack.
Add him to Smash you cowards.

Do you guys agree with How Joker and Byleth were implemented, since it seems their movesets more represent the game they are from than the characters themselves?

I think Joker and Byleth are fine I just wish personally that Joker got more than 1 Persona, but that's mostly cause I wanted the funny hee-ho man in Smash in some way.

 

[7NATOR]

Don't think Geno will arrive in time for Mario tourney

If he was Playable though, I think his Tourney would be Mario/Square based, or Projectile Based Tournament

 

[PeridotGX]

Both the NES and SNES Nintendo Switch Online games were giving updates. v5.0.0 and v2.0.0. There are no new games in the update. Preparing for something else? pic.twitter.com/HeNU9WPFtv

— Daniel Vuckovic (@VOOK64) November 30, 2020

So the NES and SNES NSO apps are updated with no changes...
Maybe more info by tomorrow?

GB/GBA please. This is absolutely the dumbest hill to die on, but I'm pissed at how little Handheld representation the Switch gets. The Switch is supposed to be a hybrid, give some appriciation to both halves!

 

[MooMew64]

You will get original Game Boy games and you will like them

Heck yeaaaahhhhhhhh Pokemon Red and Blue for the millionth time, let's get it.

 

[Freduardo]

GB/GBA please. This is absolutely the dumbest hill to die on, but I'm pissed at how little Handheld representation the Switch gets. The Switch is supposed to be a hybrid, give some appriciation to both halves!

Heck yeaaaahhhhhhhh Pokemon Red and Blue for the millionth time, let's get it.

Virtual Boy Virtual Console!!!!

....okay, probably not.

Still would have liked one on 3DS. I woulda bought Wario Land Virtual Boy. And Teleroboxer. And probably Red Alarm.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Did the Nintendo direct archive site just get upated? 🤔 pic.twitter.com/4yEYTYTvI5

— Zyrus (@NaZyrus07) November 30, 2020

Ah veemo, here we go again

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

Did the Nintendo direct archive site just get upated? 🤔 pic.twitter.com/4yEYTYTvI5

— Zyrus (@NaZyrus07) November 30, 2020

Ah veemo, here we go again

No, it probably means nothing, carry on

 

[SharkLord]

Did the Nintendo direct archive site just get upated? 🤔 pic.twitter.com/4yEYTYTvI5

— Zyrus (@NaZyrus07) November 30, 2020

Ah veemo, here we go again

Why are we so insistent on returning to the pre-35th anniversary direct days

 

[andree123]

Did the Nintendo direct archive site just get upated? 🤔 pic.twitter.com/4yEYTYTvI5

— Zyrus (@NaZyrus07) November 30, 2020

Ah veemo, here we go again

Just for a reminder.

https://twitter.com/NaZyrus07/status/1333492021579968516

 

[PeridotGX]

Just for a reminder.

that's what they want you thinking, before they shadowdrop 20 directs.

 

[Megadoomer]

Just for a reminder.

https://twitter.com/NaZyrus07/status/1333492021579968516

Careful when embedding Tweets (or images from Discord conversations, or some memes); if they contain words that are normally censored here, that's an example of censor-dodging. (I changed the embedded tweet to a link)

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Ah veemo, here we go again

Pretty much nothing and getting your expectations up.

Move along folks.

 

[MooMew64]

Outside of maaaaaybe something at TGA, I wouldn't expect anything major o happen for Nintendo until January/February, TBH. I think Nintendo's pretty much done for the year now that Age of Calamity is out, the Partner Directs are done for now and what NateDrake said a few months back now.

 

[Lamperouge]

Did the Nintendo direct archive site just get upated? 🤔 pic.twitter.com/4yEYTYTvI5

— Zyrus (@NaZyrus07) November 30, 2020

Ah veemo, here we go again

Direct archive updated

This rarely means anything.

 

[Evil Trapezium]

Did the Nintendo direct archive site just get upated? 🤔 pic.twitter.com/4yEYTYTvI5

— Zyrus (@NaZyrus07) November 30, 2020

Ah veemo, here we go again

Smash Bros is coming!