Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[Hydreigonfan01]

I'm a bit late but on songs I'd want for Smash I'd go with this.

(And tbh I'd also want the rest of MGR's boss themes but that one's my personal favourite)

 

[7NATOR]

Which DOA in smash interview? Quote if you want cuz again i don’t feel like back reading

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The only thing this tells us is he's no Kosuke Yabuki.

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To expand on Scoliosis Jones point about some parts of Volume 2 being planned earlier than we thought, I watched the FP2 announcement again and found an interesting quote by Sakurai.

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Perhaps this quote could have referred to Steve and another fighter whose negotiations was leaked early on (perhaps Hayabusa?). It's not definitive but it does present an interesting argument to be made that some characters from FP2 already were negotiated to be sold after FP1 but then Nintendo decided to release them in a full on 6 pack fighters pass instead.

I'm surprised you guys did not run with this Quote back then.

I Intially thought that if this quote had Merit it would have been Ryu and/or Reimu since I hear there were rumors of those 2 around November or so (when they first Started to Pop up), and other weird stuff like Ryu being absent despite them having Fatal Frame in the game and helping with Byleth's Trailer, or how there was all the Indie content, but the Popular Japanese indie from the Genre that got Sakurai into Game Production was still missing, or how the Number of Mii Costumes if we got 6 for every FP1 pack exceeded 30

Honestly Though, Specifcially with him saying 1 or 2 more, and not anymore than that, and with Steve being in talks 5 years ago, there might be something different categories in terms of characters in FP2

-Characters that were always gonna be Playable, even if FP2 did not exist
-Characters that were in talks of being playable, but wasn't Fuly Decided on until FP2 was greenlit
-Characters that either couldn't be considered, or Characters that were previously Denied be given another chance

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

For the record, DOOM is rated Z in Japan, and we’ve never gotten a Rated Z character playable. Only Spirits.

Doesn’t mean he’s entirely not happening, but I also think the argument that, “They’re lying!” Is incredibly weak. Not to mention, we got Vault Boy as a costume with no Bethesda character. Don’t you think that if we did get a Bethesda character that costume would thematically come with them?

Based on that I don’t really expect Doom Slayer, despite the fact that DOOM is great. I just don’t think it’s gonna happen.

 

[Evil Trapezium]

Quick Question:
How Come when Bethesda Says Doomguy is not in it means they are lying?

How Come when Gust says Ryza is not in it means they are telling the truth?

You're telling me Smash fans might have a bias :o

I mean, I certainly do. I don't know if anyone else wants to admit it.

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

For the record, DOOM is rated Z in Japan, and we’ve never gotten a Rated Z character playable. Only Spirits.

Doesn’t mean he’s entirely not happening, but I also think the argument that, “They’re lying!” Is incredibly weak as an argument. Not to mention, we got Vault Boy as a costume with no Bethesda character. Don’t you think that if we did get a Bethesda character that costume would thematically come with them?

Based on that I don’t really expect Doom Slayer, despite the fact that DOOM is great. I just don’t think it’s gonna happen.

And realistically, as popular as Doom is, its not necessarily the mega franchise where its representation in Smash as a Mii Costume would be improbable via being an all or nothing IP appearance ala Sora or even Master Chief.

If Fallout can get in via being a Mii, Doom is hardly out the question.

 

[Will]

So what you're telling me is... that it's the ****ing Dragonborn.

 

[Wunderwaft]

Given that work on Min Min would have started last August, I wonder if she is one of the characters planned early on? It would make sense as they would need time to come with hypothetical movesets and stages before beginning coding and asset creation.

I'm not so sure about that. The characters that we're thinking were negotiated early were probably talked about as far back as 2018. Which kinda goes against how ARMS has a ton of content in the base game. My best guess is that an ARMS character came to fruition after the idea of a second fighters pass was green lit.

-Characters that were always gonna be Playable, even if FP2 did not exist
-Characters that were in talks of being playable, but wasn't Fuly Decided on until FP2 was greenlit
-Characters that either couldn't be considered, or Characters that were previously Denied be given another chance

Yeah that's how I feel this pass will consist of. Min Min is probably in the third category while Steve is in the first category. I wonder how many fighters will fit in each category by the time we see the final line-up.

 

[Will]

Dragonborn makes a lot of sense, have you seen Skyrim? I wouldn't mind it, his moveset sounds cool as ****. The American Hero, let's go.

If Fallout can get in via being a Mii, Doom is hardly out the question.

I hope the classic Doomguy skin is an option, but I assume a Mii Costume would undoubtedly have the BFG as the weapon.

 

[SNEKeater]

WARNING: Long-ass post incoming

Besides DK and Xenoblade I truly feel the music selection for Metroid could be significantly better. Like, multiple Brinstar themes/remixes, they didn't add the classic Norfair song which originated in Super Metroid until Ultimate, the ****ing multiplayer theme of all the tracks Metroid Prime 2 has, no Zero Mission music (granted, it's a remake of the original Metroid, but Samus Returns has 3 songs so I don't think that's a problem?)... I was also gonna mention how there are 4 vs. Ridley tracks but I guess it has a pass.

Only 2 songs from Super Metroid, a lot of the music comes from the first Metroid, the GBA games have the astounding amount of... 1 track, the Prime original triloy selection is also very questionable, when not counting remixes those games probably have the fittiest Metroid songs for a fighting game such as Smash.

Granted, for the nature of the series most of the songs additions would probably require a remix. For example Fusion has some great melodic ambient songs that could have pretty cool remixes, like this one

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Nightmare Boss Battle Theme should be in as well, very iconic boss in the series

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Serris battle theme could work perfectly for Smash

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Moving on to the Prime series, you have songs that already work fine for Ultimate like

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Popular and great songs like Phendrana Drifts, (which by the way is one of the best tracks in the series) which would totally deserve a remix

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Another iconic track that could totally be in Smash

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Torvus Bog theme from Prime 2

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Quadraxis Battle song could fit very well

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Not gonna forget this battle theme, which honestly, fits super well into Smash. It's pretty epic and barely ambient, which is strange for Metroid games, so there's no excuse

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Bryyo Theme from Prime 3 has potential as well for a good remix, in my opinion

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Then we reach to the biggest omission, one I'll truly never understand. NO Dark Samus battle theme when she's a playable character. I'd understand it if her battle songs were ambient and chill AF, but that's not the case at all. They even had 2 versions to choose

Prime 2

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Prime 3

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I know for some people this post will seem like excessive complaining or being very ungrateful, but I can assure you that's not what I want. It's not like I despise the music selection or something, just that it feels very, VERY safe to the point I find it boring. Like, Metroid is my fave Nintendo franchise and I barely play on Metroid stages because the music selection for the series feels pretty bland. Similar case for Donkey Kong which also has the 'problem' of "hey it's DK so I guess absolutely ALL the levels and locations in DK games are jungles and whatnot, right?" Xenoblade I guess has a pass in terms of music because in comparison it's a young franchise, but still...
I don't know, sometimes I feel like if certain franchises were added in Ultimate they would have received a better treatment overall.

 

[TwiceEXE]

I'm not so sure about that. The characters that we're thinking were negotiated early were probably talked about as far back as 2018. Which kinda goes against how ARMS has a ton of content in the base game. My best guess is that an ARMS character came to fruition after the idea of a second fighters pass was green lit.

I'm afraid I just can't see that. We know from Khan that FP2 was decided in July of last year. It does not make sense to me that the first character in said pass would be one that was thought up only one month prior.

But who knows? Hopefully we get some more information some day, like we did with Steve.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

And realistically, as popular as Doom is, its not necessarily the mega franchise where its representation in Smash as a Mii Costume would be improbable via being an all or nothing IP appearance ala Sora or even Master Chief.

If Fallout can get in via being a Mii, Doom is hardly out the question.

Ehhhh maybe it's because I've never touched a Fallout game but surely Doom's a significantly bigger franchise when it comes to revolutionizing the industry?

 

[Will]

Holy mother of embeds, Batman, the poor mobile users that gotta struggle through this page.

Ehhhh maybe it's because I've never touched a Fallout game but surely Doom's a significantly bigger franchise when it comes to revolutionizing the industry?

Yeah but there's also Elder Scrolls, which honestly I'm starting to think we're forgetting is a thing and that's usually how they catch us off guard.

 

[SNEKeater]

Holy mother of embeds, Batman, the poor mobile users that gotta struggle through this page.

Sorry, you're right. I'm gonna edit now and put the videos on spoiler.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

For the record, DOOM is rated Z in Japan, and we’ve never gotten a Rated Z character playable. Only Spirits.

Doesn’t mean he’s entirely not happening, but I also think the argument that, “They’re lying!” Is incredibly weak. Not to mention, we got Vault Boy as a costume with no Bethesda character. Don’t you think that if we did get a Bethesda character that costume would thematically come with them?

Based on that I don’t really expect Doom Slayer, despite the fact that DOOM is great. I just don’t think it’s gonna happen.

If we're bringing up the prospect of Z rated games potentially being a no-go, shouldn't that affect Hayabusa too?

Irrc Ninja Gaiden had a Z game or two over there

 

[MooMew64]

SNEKeater Ah, someone else who appreciates the amazing soundtracks of Metroid. That's some top tier taste you got there, especially with the tracks you highlighted in your post. Love Quadraxis theme, definitely one of my all time favorite Nintendo bosses.

Yeah, Metroid gets done a terrible deal with music in Smash. Heck, the stages do to: The lack of a Prime stage in Smash is incredibly baffling to me when iconic locations like Chozo Ruins and Phendrana Drifts are just sitting there, begging to be used.

Instead, they always go for a lava or acid stage...Sigh...

Ah well, at least Ridley and DS are on the roster, lol.

 

[RileyXY1]

SNEKeater Ah, someone else who appreciates the amazing soundtracks of Metroid. That's some top tier taste you got there, especially with the tracks you highlighted in your post. Love Quadraxis theme, definitely one of my all time favorite Nintendo bosses.

Yeah, Metroid gets done a terrible deal with music in Smash. Heck, the stages do to: The lack of a Prime stage in Smash is incredibly baffling to me when iconic locations like Chozo Ruins and Phendrana Drifts are just sitting there, begging to be used.

Instead, they always go for a lava or acid stage...Sigh...

Ah well, at least Ridley and DS are on the roster, lol.

There is a Prime stage: the Frigate Orpheon from the first Metroid Prime.

 

[Jerry98]

WARNING: Long-ass post incoming

Besides DK and Xenoblade I truly feel the music selection for Metroid could be significantly better. Like, multiple Brinstar themes/remixes, they didn't add the classic Norfair song which originated in Super Metroid until Ultimate, the ****ing multiplayer theme of all the tracks Metroid Prime 2 has, no Zero Mission music (granted, it's a remake of the original Metroid, but Samus Returns has 3 songs so I don't think that's a problem?)... I was also gonna mention how there are 4 vs. Ridley tracks but I guess it has a pass.

Only 2 songs from Super Metroid, a lot of the music comes from the first Metroid, the GBA games have the astounding amount of... 1 track, the Prime original triloy selection is also very questionable, when not counting remixes those games probably have the fittiest Metroid songs for a fighting game such as Smash.

Granted, for the nature of the series most of the songs additions would probably require a remix. For example Fusion has some great melodic ambient songs that could have pretty cool remixes, like this one

Nightmare Boss Battle Theme should be in as well, very iconic boss in the series

Spoiler

Serris battle theme could work perfectly for Smash

Spoiler

Moving on to the Prime series, you have songs that already work fine for Ultimate like

Popular and great songs like Phendrana Drifts, (which by the way is one of the best tracks in the series) which would totally deserve a remix

Spoiler

Another iconic track that could totally be in Smash

Spoiler

Torvus Bog theme from Prime 2

Quadraxis Battle song could fit very well

Spoiler

Not gonna forget this battle theme, which honestly, fits super well into Smash. It's pretty epic and barely ambient, which is strange for Metroid games, so there's no excuse

Bryyo Theme from Prime 3 has potential as well for a good remix, in my opinion

Spoiler

Then we reach to the biggest omission, one I'll truly never understand. NO Dark Samus battle theme when she's a playable character. I'd understand it if her battle songs were ambient and chill AF, but that's not the case at all. They even had 2 versions to choose

Prime 2

Prime 3

I know for some people this post will seem like excessive complaining or being very ungrateful, but I can assure you that's not what I want. It's not like I despise the music selection or something, just that it feels very, VERY safe to the point I find it boring. Like, Metroid is my fave Nintendo franchise and I barely play on Metroid stages because the music selection for the series feels pretty bland. Similar case for Donkey Kong which also has the 'problem' of "hey it's DK so I guess absolutely ALL the levels and locations in DK games are jungles and whatnot, right?" Xenoblade I guess has a pass in terms of music because in comparison it's a young franchise, but still...
I don't know, sometimes I feel like if certain franchises were added in Ultimate they would have received a better treatment overall.

I completely agree with you.
I know some of them are a bit too calm and don't really fit a fight, but they are too good to let them out! I mean... listen to this beauty:

This is one of the best if not the best "water level" theme ever made in a game, wih "Aquatic Ambience" from DKC!

And speaking of aquatic levels... why their themese are always so good? They're the reasons why I don't hate these levels!

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Yeah but there's also Elder Scrolls, which honestly I'm starting to think we're forgetting is a thing and that's usually how they catch us off guard.

Skyrim alone is one of the biggest games out there imo but my point was that Doom isn't equal to Fallout so saying if one can't get in as a character then neither can the other doesn't make sense to me

 

[Will]

but my point was that Doom isn't equal to Fallout so saying if one can't get in as a character then neither can the other doesn't make sense to me

ah yeah that's pretty silly

 

[SKX31]

You know when you word it like that, it could give more Validity to the "Sora and Mickey Package" that that one rumor was talking about, not to say it's real, but...

I always did wonder that if you were in a Position to get Sora, you could also Get Mickey Mouse, and even Technically, you are also in a Position to get Marvel and Star Wars characters, and I know people would be Excited if we Got Spider Man, Iron Man, Wolverine, Hulk, Thanos, Darth Vader, and characters like that. I think with Marvel and Star Wars though there would be more discussions that just Mickey

Because for all intents and Purposes, Mickey would be the Biggest deal in Smash. It's Argueable that Mickey is a bigger deal than Mario, Pikachu, Sonic, Pac-Man, and other Iconic characters, and Comparing that to Sora is just not Fair at all. I also see Disney trying to push Mickey off on them as Well over Sora. I feel bad for Sora in that regard.

I think the best Situation for Sora honestly is if a Game was built around Smash Bros X Disney, kind of like How people suggest Smash Bros X Jump Anime when it comes to Goku, Naruto, Luffy in Smash. I Imagine a game like Smash Bros X Disney would sell too as well.

Maaaybe? I kinda feel that's a difficult road to go down. Yes, casual fans at large would be excited, and more hardcore fans might accept that as a different sub-series from "proper Smash Bros."... but:

• Disney would not be as able to pressure Nintendo as they were with Capcom... but in this scenario they might still request things to adhere to the current as well as whichever corporate politics stuff Disney's involved in. Yes, I'm drawing a comparision with MvCI. Where the Fantastic 4 and X-Men were entirely absent due to corporate politics and the Marvel side was skewed heavily towards the MCU.
• While the roster would be positively salivating - especially to casuals who would get Disney's roster together with Nintendo's for the first time - it'd also be insanely expensive. Not just more discussions here: you'd need John Williams' score if one is to include Star Wars characters. One would need the Avengers' main theme. I'm saying need because, well, those are iconic to their respective franchises. While other crossovers like the Jump Anime one would be less expensive... we're still looking at a quite high price tag for the rights.
• It might also lead to further confusion about Smash's future - should they focus on the mainline or on the non-video game crossovers? That's another potential hassle.

There is a Prime stage: the Frigate Orpheon from the first Metroid Prime.

While you're right - Orpheon is really forgettable though. Sure, it's got a screen flip mechanic... but it's not a general favorite amongst casuals (contrast Hyrule Temple, which is a casual favorite) and it's (like most stages) banned by competitive players. It doesn't have any real infamous stuff to it either unlike Pac-Land or the Great Maze, so it winds up just... there.

The relative lack of Prime music does not help its cause.

 

[MooMew64]

There is a Prime stage: the Frigate Orpheon from the first Metroid Prime.

Oh my gosh, you're right, lol. I play on that stage a ton too, how could I forget?

I think with how much content this game has, I'm starting to forget some of it...

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

Skyrim alone is one of the biggest games out there imo but my point was that Doom isn't equal to Fallout so saying if one can't get in as a character then neither can the other doesn't make sense to me

Well when I mentioned both, I meant more in terms contemporary popularity especially in comparison to the likes of Sora and Master Chief. It goes without saying that Doom has genuinely historic legacy for First Person Shooters. By that same token though, I'd day Virtua Fighter did something a bit similar with the 3D fighting genre, and yet it too has ended up as Mii Costume and Assist Trophy.

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

If we're bringing up the prospect of Z rated games potentially being a no-go, shouldn't that affect Hayabusa too?

Irrc Ninja Gaiden had a Z game or two over there

The main difference I’d say is that Hayabusa is much easier to convert to a less violent/firearm using character.

Doom Slayer would probably need several guns (granted some are plasma, etc), and there’s also the fact that Ninja Gaiden hasn’t always been rated Z, looking back to the retro days anyway.

It honestly probably comes down to extensive gore. With Resident Evil getting spirited, and having Zombies that are clearly gory, it makes me wonder if that’s the difference.

 

[7NATOR]

I'm afraid I just can't see that. We know from Khan that FP2 was decided in July of last year. It does not make sense to me that the first character in said pass would be one that was thought up only one month prior.

But who knows? Hopefully we get some more information some day, like we did with Steve.

To be Fair, I think they Decide the Order of every character after all the characters are Chosen, Otherwise I think we would have seen Hero before Joker, since it seemed like Hero was brought up first. Who Knows though

 

[MooMew64]

It honestly probably comes down to extensive gore. With Resident Evil getting spirited, and having Zombies that are clearly gory, it makes me wonder if that’s the difference.

That was always my biggest doubt with RE. In order to rep it right, you'd have to have the zombies, and I dunno if there's a way to show off the series most iconic ones without bumping the game up to a T rating because, well, they're traditional, M-rated horror game zombies.

Basically, Leon and Jill were never the problem: In my eyes, it was the series main baddies that could cause the issue.

 

[Eldrake]

I find the idea of Disney wanting Mickey in Smash hilarious, because it reminds me of how Disney apparently don't want a fighting game because they don't want their characters beating up each other. If the behind-the-scenes stuff about Sora and Mickey is true, I guess Disney is fine if it's Smash Bros and Mickey doesn't beat up/get beaten up by a fellow Disney character.

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

I find the idea of Disney wanting Mickey in Smash hilarious, because it reminds me of how Disney apparently don't want a fighting game because they don't want their characters beating up each other. If the behind-the-scenes stuff about Sora and Mickey is true, I guess Disney is fine if it's Smash Bros and Mickey doesn't beat up/get beaten up by a fellow Disney character.

"Quite frankly Mickey getting beaten up by the likes of Donald is not an image we want to project."

"Okay what about him getting attacked by a murderous Space Pirate Dragon and a grizzled soldier with mines/explosives?"

"Hmm, I see no issue here."

 

[SKX31]

Ehhhh maybe it's because I've never touched a Fallout game but surely Doom's a significantly bigger franchise when it comes to revolutionizing the industry?

FallOut does have a couple significant claims to it - it contributed heavily to the idea that one could fuse RPG mechanics with FPSes and 3 especially helped establish the open world sandbox as a viable gameplay style (it's worth pointing out that FallOut 3's nearly contemporary with AC 1 and GTA IV). 1 and 2 are considered kind of niché classics, but are still beloved by critics the way System Shock 1 and 2 are beloved (and yeah, System Shock's a main inspiration behind BioShock.).

One could argue that Doom is more significant, but FallOut's not a slouch in this department.

"Quite frankly Mickey getting beaten up by the likes of Donald is not an image we want to project."

"Okay what about him getting attacked by a murderous Space Pirate Dragon and a grizzled soldier with mines/explosives?"

"Hmm, I see no issue here."

"Quick addendum though Mr. Sakurai - could we please have Mickey use the OP-PLZ-NERF time stop spell on the Space Pirate Dragon just in time for Sora to catch the letter? We don't want Mickey to look too bad in the trailer."

 

[Eldrake]

"Quite frankly Mickey getting beaten up by the likes of Donald is not an image we want to project."

"Okay what about him getting attacked by a murderous Space Pirate Dragon and a grizzled soldier with mines/explosives?"

"Hmm, I see no issue here."

I don't see why you think the family friendly disney-esque villain, Ridley, wouldn't give Mickey a family friendly beatdown.

 

[7NATOR]

Maaaybe? I kinda feel that's a difficult road to go down. Yes, casual fans at large would be excited, and more hardcore fans might accept that as a different sub-series from "proper Smash Bros."... but:

• Disney would not be as able to pressure Nintendo as they were with Capcom... but in this scenario they might still request things to adhere to the current as well as whichever corporate politics stuff Disney's involved in. Yes, I'm drawing a comparision with MvCI. Where the Fantastic 4 and X-Men were entirely absent due to corporate politics and the Marvel side was skewed heavily towards the MCU.
• While the roster would be positively salivating - especially to casuals who would get Disney's roster together with Nintendo's for the first time - it'd also be insanely expensive. Not just more discussions here: you'd need John Williams' score if one is to include Star Wars characters. One would need the Avengers' main theme. I'm saying need because, well, those are iconic to their respective franchises. While other crossovers like the Jump Anime one would be less expensive... we're still looking at a quite high price tag for the rights.
• It might also lead to further confusion about Smash's future - should they focus on the mainline or on the non-video game crossovers? That's another potential hassle.

I do Imagine it would be Expensive to do a Whole game based around Smash Bros X Disney, and Company Politics could get in the way (though at least now when it Comes to Marvel there's no restrictions on F4 and X-Men anymore, so thats good). at the least it would be easier to base a game around this then just adding a Character from Disney or Adding a character from an Anime

I guess it depends on whether Nintendo feels they have to do an Idea like this to evolve the Smash Bros. Franchise, especially after doing something like Ultimate and bring every Character back. Of course I think even if there are cuts, Smash could sell well as long as there enough new Content in the game that people would be willing to get. Enough new characters

but that is a question in itself. Alot of Iconic characters are already in the game, Especially Japanese Owned ones. I guess one Idea would be to Shift the Roster toward Popular Western 3rd parties like Crash, Lara, Scorpion, Master Chief.

But adding Disney or Anime characters would automatically make the Next Smash have a Big Selling Point that the previous Smash games don't, just like that, and if Nintendo feels like they need that sort of thing, they could think that the Investment into this could be Worth establishing a large Amount of Sales comparable to that of Ultimate. If they also use that moment to change up the Gameplay heavily and update Everything, that could Also apply to the Next Smash game after that, whether it's another Specfic Crossover or a regular Smash game.

They could have a Rhythm where if they want to heavily change up the Formula, they go with a Big Crossover like Anime or Disney, and then from then on they could make a Regular Smash game with the assets and focus on More Gaming characters and Smash favorites. Yes

 

[Michael the Spikester]

No doubt Nintendo vs. Disney would sell like hotcakes.

 

[Iko MattOrr]

I know that I'm super late (I've been a bit busy lately), but I've finally seen Steve's gameplay showcase and I'm impressed by it. This is the first Ultimate newcomer that actually makes me excited and I would main it without any doubt. I hope the second fighter pass will keep this route of making every character unique gameplay-wise, if this is the case I might even consider buying the full pass.

And I don't even care much of Minecraft, I played it time ago, it's fun and I like being able to build anything in it, but that's it.

 

[Will]

No doubt Nintendo vs. Disney would sell like hotcakes.

Yeah but Disney is the only company that has the balls to say no to such a money-making offer based on the grounds that they're richer.

 

[Mushroomguy12]

I find the idea of Disney wanting Mickey in Smash hilarious, because it reminds me of how Disney apparently don't want a fighting game because they don't want their characters beating up each other. If the behind-the-scenes stuff about Sora and Mickey is true, I guess Disney is fine if it's Smash Bros and Mickey doesn't beat up/get beaten up by a fellow Disney character.

It even got to the point where in Marvel vs Capcom Infinite's marketing, they literally wouldn't even allow them to show any footage of the Marvel characters getting beaten up. That's why you would only ever see footage of the combos being performed on Capcom characters.

 

[Wunderwaft]

I think it even got to the point where in Marvel vs Capcom Infinite's marketing, they literally wouldn't even allow them to show any footage of the Marvel characters getting beaten up. That's why you would only ever see footage of the combos being performed on Capcom characters.

That is beyond ****ing absurd. What the hell Disney.

 

[RileyXY1]

Hmm

That is beyond ****ing absurd. What the hell Disney.

It's just hard to work with Disney in general because of their strict standards.

 

[TheShiningAbsol]

Yeah but there's also Elder Scrolls, which honestly I'm starting to think we're forgetting is a thing and that's usually how they catch us off guard.

Dragonborn has unironically been my most wanted for a while now, and I really do think people just forget about him when talking about Bethesda. Skyrim is ridiculously massive, even in Japan, which already gives it a bit of an edge over Doom. Not to mention it was one of the very first games announced during the initial Switch reveal, even before Mario, which goes to show Nintendo is acutely aware of just how big it is. Plus it had the Zelda content on the Switch version, which was cool.

Of course, I'm still of the mind that Vault Boy coming on his own was a hard deconfirm for any Bethesda character. But it still just seems weird. Not Elder Scrolls, their biggest cash cow? Not Doom, which had a massive influx of Smash fan-demand recently? Probably unlike most people when it comes to their most wanteds, I'd be thrilled to even get a Mii costume, but I'd still think that would've came with Vault Boy too. I'm not holding my breath, but a small part of me still hopes. It's nice when people talk about him, though I imagine he'd be very controversial if he actually managed to happen.

 

[Dinoman96]

Yeah, Skyrim/Elder Scrolls feels Mii costume tier to me, despite its popularity.

 

[Dr. Yatagarasu]

Of course, I'm still of the mind that Vault Boy coming on his own was a hard deconfirm for any Bethesda character. But it still just seems weird. Not Elder Scrolls, their biggest cash cow?

Honestly, while Dragonborn certainly could work as a swordfighter mii, Vault Boy is an easily recognizable, and simple design that just translates really well into a premium mii. Might be as simple as that.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Hot take I still don’t consider Vault Boy or Bomberman PreMiium

imo it only applies to costumes that come with songs, regardless of the complexity of their design. On a side note I’d have liked the Bomberman costume to come with some Bomberman 64 songs, absolute bangers