Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[N3ON]

And naturally, Sakurai would have known about the Rise protag far, far earlier than any of us.

Only if they were already interested in pursuing that route. Not like Capcom is just going to ply Sakurai with updates on their unreleased titles apropos of nothing.

coughs so about that Axel Stone dude

Ngl I'd be surprised if Streets of Rage even got a spirit event

 

[AceAttorney9000]

My Only Problem with Eggaman is I'm very curious how they handle his Playstyle. He has too many options in terms of mechs and weapons, that there's no definitive Eggman Moveset to go with, and alot of his mechs are Too Big, but it could be done if they take liberties and get the Spirit of Eggman in his Moveset, like With Ridley. They certainly have alot to go off of

Now it's my turn to plug something!

I actually made a fan moveset for Eggman. Basically, I think he would mainly be based off his playable appearance in Sonic Adventure 2 with the Egg Walker, being a projectile-focused heavy weight character, who in terms of Spirits and music could bring in more stuff from the modern Sonic games.

 

[PSIGuy]

What evidence, may I ask?

For example, I don't think Geno had an entire direct dedicated to him like Monster Hunter.

I would say Monster Hunter is a hot contender right now.

-GameStop mentioning Geno in Smash at all
-Nintendo’s E3 plans being “Smash and Mario 35th”, when every year prior has always had a heavyhitting fan request as a reveal
-Mii costume has yet to return
-Cacomallow Mii costumes

We’ve had leaks before, we’ve had instances where notable absences meant characters. Talking about Monster Hunter is like expecting Dante prior to the Byleth reveal because of the timing, while ignoring the 3H spirit event absence and the fact that Byleth has amiibo support in 3H along with every other FE amiibo in the form of an associated song.

If Geno gets in its going to be the most obvious in hindsight reveal yet.

 

[ARandomFruit]

Geno is the only Mario character who could get away with bringing all those new things to Smash

What about Mr. Fury man himself Fawful? We don't have many M&L tracks only 2 from games Fawful is actually in (And both are from Bowser's Inside Story), they could bring in more music from those games. His stage could be Fawful theater or the room where you fight Dark Fawful in Peaches Castle which aren't too bad of stages.

If we can say one RPG Mario character can bring in new stuff what about the others? Even Dimentio or Count Bleck could bring in new things considering Super Paper Mario has no music in Smash (Only Sticker Star/TTYD and Color Splash have music) and Count Bleck's Castle is visually interesting for a stage.

I'm sorry if I rambled too much about this.

 

[7NATOR]

coughs so about that Axel Stone dude

I'll die on this hill, but He's too Similar to Terry in terms of Moveset Concept and even some Aesthetic Similarities. I don't think he will be in as Playable in Smash Ultimate

 

[Strong-Arm]

I could see Axel Stone happening. Slim chance, but hey, we will see.

Personally I dont think his chances are that slim, hes actually kinda become more common name thrown around recently for some reason. I have no clue why either. Gonna assume SoR4 has something to do with it

I'll die on this hill, but He's too Similar to Terry in terms of Moveset Concept and even some Aesthetic Similarities. I don't think he will be in as Playable in Smash Ultimate

hes literally nothing like terry lmao what? literally none of his moves are like terrys at all nor does he look like terry at all lmao

 

[Deleted member]

-GameStop mentioning Geno in Smash at all
-Nintendo’s E3 plans being “Smash and Mario 35th”, when every year prior has always had a heavyhitting fan request as a reveal
-Mii costume has yet to return
-Cacomallow Mii costumes

All of these are just coindicendes, not genuine evidence. Also Cacomallow has been proven to be faked.

We’ve had leaks before, we’ve had instances where notable absences meant characters. Talking about Monster Hunter is like expecting Dante prior to the Byleth reveal because of the timing, while ignoring the 3H spirit event absence and the fact that Byleth has amiibo support in 3H along with every other FE amiibo in the form of an associated song.

If Geno gets in its going to be the most obvious in hindsight reveal yet.

This is different. Monster Hunter has actual evidence to back them, like a direct based off of Monster Hunter. Monster Hunter is also extremely popular. For Dante, it was just a leak and a port. For KOS-MOS, it was just a video take-down. Also, Geno didn't get the attention from Nintendo that Byleth did. Three Houses got DLC, their spirits were suspiciously ignored, and amiibo support in Three Houses as you mentioned.

 

[Shroob]

-GameStop mentioning Geno in Smash at all
-Nintendo’s E3 plans being “Smash and Mario 35th”, when every year prior has always had a heavyhitting fan request as a reveal
-Mii costume has yet to return
-Cacomallow Mii costumes

We’ve had leaks before, we’ve had instances where notable absences meant characters. Talking about Monster Hunter is like expecting Dante prior to the Byleth reveal because of the timing, while ignoring the 3H spirit event absence and the fact that Byleth has amiibo support in 3H along with every other FE amiibo in the form of an associated song.

If Geno gets in its going to be the most obvious in hindsight reveal yet.

I'm still not at all convinced about Gamestop.


Like, they pulled out of E3 back in March, why would Gamestop have this sacred info that only they know about and seemingly no one else.


The video wasn't even filmed in July when people were thinking a real Direct was coming, due to the actress in it being hospitalized at the start of the month, meaning that it had to have been filmed sometime in June or earlier.


None of the big names know who's coming next, and we've heard from countless others that they only know a couple days to a week in advance. To say Gamestop is legit would imply that there was a Direct planned for around June-July, the Direct was scrapped, and then Gamestop didn't get the memo, when it seems like they had already planned out the Shadowdrop/Mini formula long before that.

 

[Guynamednelson]

I'll die on this hill, but He's too Similar to Terry in terms of Moveset Concept and even some Aesthetic Similarities. I don't think he will be in as Playable in Smash Ultimate

The inclusion of melee weapons in Streets of Rage should be enough to distinguish him.

 

[7NATOR]

hes literally nothing like terry lmao what? literally none of his moves are like terrys at all nor does he look like terry at all lmao

They may have different moves from each other, but Conceptually in moveset they would be Similar in terms of Smash Implementation I'd feel, in terms of how they operate. Their moves have Similiar properties and stuff like that

I know they both come from different Genres, but when you Implement Streets of Rage into Smash, I don't know what they could do differently that isn't already covered by Terry. I've seen the moveset on the Axel Stone thread. It seems terry like to me

And they have that Young Blond man aestthetic going on. Though they do looke different, they still have some Aesthetic Siimiliarites, but I wouldn't mind thta at all, Considering I support Shadow after all. I just think from Moveset standpoint, there are more characters that be more diverse

The inclusion of melee weapons in Streets of Rage should be enough to distinguish him.

That feels like something that be more akin to a Stage Mechanic (since we are operating under the fact that every character in FP2 Comes with stage)

 

[Strong-Arm]

The idea that axel is "too similar" to terry makes no sense
Other than like the fact theyre blonde and american theres nothing similar about them
Axels specials are a rapid punch into an uppercut, a spinning ground punch, and a fire cylcone punch and his grand upper
none of his normals really look like terrys either
he also uses items and weapons something terry never does
he has vault throws and various other things
he also comes from a completely different genre of games(beat em ups which smash lacks)

On the note of him being "not different enough" he literally uses pipes, knives, bottles, etc in fights. He also has vault throws that no one in smash has (vaulting over the opponent and getting on the opposite side) he has nothing thats similar to terry lmao

the ONLY thing terry and axel share is being blonde and american and punching things thats it

 

[Guynamednelson]

That feels like something that be more akin to a Stage Mechanic (since we are operating under the fact that every character in FP2 Comes with stage)

I guess the Belmonts should need to find a torch to use their subweapons then.

 

[Idon]

The idea that axel is "too similar" to terry makes no sense
Other than like the fact theyre blonde and american theres nothing similar about them
Axels specials are a rapid punch into an uppercut, a spinning ground punch, and a fire cylcone punch and his grand upper
none of his normals really look like terrys either
he also uses items and weapons something terry never does
he has vault throws and various other things
he also comes from a completely different genre of games(beat em ups which smash lacks)

the ONLY thing terry and axel share is being blonde and american and punching things thats it

Hey, add in Cody Travers and you could have the 3 American Blonde Muscled Men from Popular Beat-Em-Ups all together for one pass.

 

[N3ON]

-GameStop mentioning Geno in Smash at all
-Nintendo’s E3 plans being “Smash and Mario 35th”, when every year prior has always had a heavyhitting fan request as a reveal
-Mii costume has yet to return
-Cacomallow Mii costumes

We’ve had leaks before, we’ve had instances where notable absences meant characters. Talking about Monster Hunter is like expecting Dante prior to the Byleth reveal because of the timing, while ignoring the 3H spirit event absence and the fact that Byleth has amiibo support in 3H along with every other FE amiibo in the form of an associated song.

If Geno gets in its going to be the most obvious in hindsight reveal yet.

Yeah, the fanbase would be overflowing with confirmation bias, and that'd be hard work, but it doesn't mean everything interpreted as a sign actually was, especially among a fanbase that is very quick to see signs in everything.

But I know how it'd play out, and yeah, people would see literally everything that wasn't conclusively debunked as having been a valid precursor.

 

[Strong-Arm]

I think people really underestimate how popular SoR was even if SEGA ignored it for years tbh theres a reason a ton of people freaked out over SoR4 happening

 

[7NATOR]

Look, I understand that Terry and Axel have different moves from each other

But Conceptually, and how they Play, I just think they are Too Similar to each other. Vault throws are something cool, but otherwise Terry already has the Same Swag that Axel would have if he got in


And the Item in Streets of Rage I don't think will be a Mechanic used in Axel's Moveset specifically. I mean how they work in Streets of rage, is kind of like how Items in Smash already work. It's not the samething with Simon/Richter's Sub-Weapons.

I'm just stating that there is many Characters that have unique concepts and more unique type moves, that I think Axel might not be able to compete pretty much. It's also not even just Axel having some Aestihic Similiarites to Terry. Shadow has good amount of Similarities to Sonic, But you can do so much more with Shadow (that doesn't revolve around him using guns, as they are also more like Items) from a Conceptial Standpoint, and also from the Source material you can use. I'm talking not just different from Sonic, but from the rest of the cast

 

[Strong-Arm]

Look, I understand that Terry and Axel have different moves from each other

But Conceptually, and how they Play, I just think they are Too Similar to each other. Vault throws are something cool, but otherwise Terry already has the Same Swag that Axel would have if he got in


And the Item in Streets of Rage I don't think will be a Mechanic used in Axel's Moveset specifically. I mean how they work in Streets of rage, is kind of like how Items in Smash already work. It's not the samething with Simon/Richter's Sub-Weapons.

I'm just stating that there is many Characters that have unique concepts and more unique type moves, that I think Axel might not be able to compete pretty much. It's also not even just Axel having some Aestihic Similiarites to Terry. Shadow has good amount of Similarities to Sonic, But you can do so much more with Shadow (that doesn't revolve around him using guns, as they are also more like Items) from a Conceptial Standpoint, and also from the Source material you can use. I'm talking not just different from Sonic, but from the rest of the cast

you literally make his smash attacks the pipe, maybe have down b him pulling a knife or something. If everything worked like they do in games then Banjo would have to collect items to do stuff, the belmonts couldnt use stuff without hitting candels, link would have limited ammo, etc, etc

i feel like youve never played streets of rage so youre making assumptions based off him being blonde and a brawler lmao

 

[Deleted member]

Now that CP7 is confirmed to be soon, I am feeling pretty motivated to continue my activities.

 

[7NATOR]

you literally make his smash attacks the pipe, maybe have down b him pulling a knife or something. If everything worked like they do in games then Banjo would have to collect items to do stuff, the belmonts couldnt use stuff without hitting candels, link would have limited ammo, etc, etc

i feel like youve never played streets of rage so youre making assumptions based off him being blonde and a brawler lmao

Okay If you did make the items a bigger part of the Moveset (I mean Base moveset, Not just him Picking weapons off the ground), along with having the brawler stuff that would be more diverse

I guess from the movesets I've seen, and also the gameplay I've watched, they focus on Axel being Brawler type. I just think making him a Brawler would have some of the existing flavor of Terry, too much in comparison to some of the other potential characters we can get in FP2.

It's kind of an Issue I've had with other characters, For Example Monster Hunter and Byleth (even though they also have Different Stuff, more particular the SUPER Massive Sword Monster Hunter has).

 

[Strong-Arm]

Okay If you did make the items a bigger part of the Moveset, along with having the brawler stuff that would be more diverse

I guess from the movesets I've seen, and also the gameplay I've watched, they focus on Axel being Brawler type. I just think making him a Brawler would have some of the existing flavor of Terry, too much in comparison to some of the other potential characters we can get in FP2.

It's kind of an Issue I've had with other characters, For Example Monster Hunter and Byleth (even though they also have Different Stuff, more particular the SUPER Massive Sword Monster Hunter has).

hes a beat em up character and not a fighting game character. They have a ton of options thats completely seperate him on top of him fundamentally not being like terry/ken
he wouldnt have auto turn around, he wouldnt have inputs, hed have cancels, he have ranged weapons like pipes/knives/swords and maybe an item pull, hed have a vault throw(something no one else has) and maybe even a star super mechanic from dealing enough damage
on a fundamental level hes nothing like ken/terry/ryu or the other brawlers. Hes his own thing cause hes a beat em up char and from a completely different type of game and franchise

i feel like he has so much thats fundamentally different and unique from every fighter type in the game that like i dont see how the argument of him being "too similar" exists personally

 

[PLATINUM7]

So we've moved on from complaining Terry is just hat Ken to saying someone else will be derivative of Terry.

Not sure who I'd go for if we were to have a beat 'em up character. Kunio seems out of the running given spirits but he'd be a cool choice nonetheless. I've only played a bit of the Streets of Rage that's on the Mega Drive mini so I'd be more inclined to go for a Capcom character. With Capcom though, I'd prefer numerous other characters before I go for one of their beat 'em up characters.

 

[Strong-Arm]

So we've moved on from complaining Terry is just hat Ken to saying someone else will be derivative of Terry.

Not sure who I'd go for if we were to have a beat 'em up character. Kunio seems out of the running given spirits but he'd be a cool choice nonetheless. I've only played a bit of the Streets of Rage that's on the Mega Drive mini so I'd be more inclined to go for a Capcom character. With Capcom though, I'd prefer numerous other characters before I go for one of their beat 'em up characters.

the only like big name beat em up char theyd have is cody. Its partly why I think Axel has such great chances at this point cause with kunio being out. That leaves him and cody. I feel like dante or wright or amateratsu would be picked before cody and cody has become more of a fighting game char at this point while axel has always been a beat em up char.
but cody would be cool too tbh

 

[MisterMike]

What evidence, may I ask?

This evidence.
Of particular note:

• Geno's Mii Costume (and by extension the Chocobo Hat) have yet to return, even when they had a perfect chance with fell SquareEnix character Hero. (Sidenote: SquareEnix is the only company involved with Smash that segregates their own content from other third-parties.)
• The Mii Costume List that correctly listed all of Banjo's Mii Costumes sans... well, Sans, and had Mallow and Smithy costumes listed, yet no Geno.
• Legacy XP, an old Brawl mod that added both Waluigi and Geno as fighters, gets pulled down back in March under mysterious circumstances. (Sidenote: This kind of thing has happened to other fan projects such as AM2R and Mario Battle Royale, which were later made into official products by Nintendo.)

For example, I don't think Geno had an entire direct dedicated to him like Monster Hunter.

I would say Monster Hunter is a hot contender right now.

I see people say this kind of **** for so many goddamn characters that it's beyond ridiculous at this point, so I ask: Why is it that every time a franchise gets a new game/remake/whatever revealed, everyone starts believing that that series is going to get a character in Smash?

Also Cacomallow has been proven to be faked.

It was? When did that happen?

 

[osby]

If "this character can't get into Smash because they have highly superficial similarities to another fighter on the roster" argument had any merit, there wouldn't be a first Fighters Pass.

I wish people who had doubts about certain newcomers' moveset potential would just ask about what they can do. This thread has a wide variety of video game fans and most of them are more than happy to gush about their faves. I guarantee you that this will result in much more productive arguments than making hot takes about franchises you have no idea about.

 

[Shroob]

This evidence.
Of particular note:

• Geno's Mii Costume (and by extension the Chocobo Hat) have yet to return, even when they had a perfect chance with fell SquareEnix character Hero. (Sidenote: SquareEnix is the only company involved with Smash that segregates their own content from other third-parties.)
• The Mii Costume List that correctly listed all of Banjo's Mii Costumes sans... well, Sans, and had Mallow and Smithy costumes listed, yet no Geno.
• Legacy XP, an old Brawl mod that added both Waluigi and Geno as fighters, gets pulled down back in March under mysterious circumstances. (Sidenote: This kind of thing has happened to other fan projects such as AM2R and Mario Battle Royale, which were later made into official products by Nintendo.)

I see people say this kind of **** for so many goddamn characters that it's beyond ridiculous at this point, so I ask: Why is it that every time a franchise gets a new game/remake/whatever revealed, everyone starts believing that that series is going to get a character in Smash?


It was? When did that happen?

I still think Geno has a very good shot, but man, looking at that list in the link, there's so much circumstantial evidence. To be honest, the most solid piece of evidence there is the Mii Costume leak, but a lot of that list is just jank.

 

[MisterMike]

I still think Geno has a very good shot, but man, looking at that list in the link, there's so much circumstantial evidence. To be honest, the most solid piece of evidence there is the Mii Costume leak, but a lot of that list is just jank.

Yeah, admittedly not all of it is super solid, but circumstantial evidence is still evidence.

 

[Deleted member]

This evidence.
Of particular note:

• Geno's Mii Costume (and by extension the Chocobo Hat) have yet to return, even when they had a perfect chance with fell SquareEnix character Hero. (Sidenote: SquareEnix is the only company involved with Smash that segregates their own content from other third-parties.)
• The Mii Costume List that correctly listed all of Banjo's Mii Costumes sans... well, Sans, and had Mallow and Smithy costumes listed, yet no Geno.
• Legacy XP, an old Brawl mod that added both Waluigi and Geno as fighters, gets pulled down back in March under mysterious circumstances. (Sidenote: This kind of thing has happened to other fan projects such as AM2R and Mario Battle Royale, which were later made into official products by Nintendo.)

...
This is quite poor evidence.

Also, why?

The link you listed above isn't really strong evidence to confirm him. Examples of strong evidence would be Monster Hunter being promoted so hard by Nintendo that Monster Hunter got its own direct. There is evidence for Geno, but this doesn't make Geno stand out as much compared to other contenders.

I see people say this kind of **** for so many goddamn characters that it's beyond ridiculous at this point, so I ask: Why is it that every time a franchise gets a new game/remake/whatever revealed, everyone starts believing that that series is going to get a character in Smash?


It was? When did that happen?

Monster Hunter is being promoted SO HARD right now. It even got its own direct, and amiibos. This is Dragon Quest XI S tiers of promotion from Nintendo.

 

[7NATOR]

hes a beat em up character and not a fighting game character. They have a ton of options thats completely seperate him on top of him fundamentally not being like terry/ken
he wouldnt have auto turn around, he wouldnt have inputs, hed have cancels, he have ranged weapons like pipes/knives/swords and maybe an item pull, hed have a vault throw(something no one else has) and maybe even a star super mechanic from dealing enough damage
on a fundamental level hes nothing like ken/terry/ryu or the other brawlers. Hes his own thing cause hes a beat em up char and from a completely different type of game and franchise

i feel like he has so much thats fundamentally different and unique from every fighter type in the game that like i dont see how the argument of him being "too similar" exists personally

I'll concede on this one

But I will say that just because characters come from different genre's, doesn't mean that automatically they's be completely unique from the rest of the cast. Implementing stuff in Smash Moveset is diffeent beast altogether. Like Despite them being from Different Genres, I don't think Contra Boys and Master chief will be in the same pass, cause in alot of ways conceptually they seem very similar.

Personally From what I've seen from Axel, I didn't think He would not have enough Flavor from Terry, and it's not like I was one of the people calling Terry hat Ken, cause I do think There was enough differences in how Terry fights and how Ryu/Ken fight.

I did Think Axel was different, though I think in Comparison to Terry it was just kind of similar structure in terms of type of moves, if you catch my drift. I Still think he would have some similarities to terry if he was Implemented in Smash. Though I'll say he's more different than Conceptually than i thought before, but I still think they would be Similar in Aspects.

I guess it's more I think there are other characters that have more varied concepts, or more varied movesets than Axel Does, when it comes to Candidates for FP2, and they also Have other Aspects that I think they got Axel beta in, so that also doesn't help,

 

[Shroob]

Yeah, admittedly not all of it is super solid, but circumstantial evidence is still evidence.

Is it really though. If you turned the male genitals image on its side that Hotgirlvideos69 shared last week, the colors in the blurry screenshot and the general shape of the.... male genitals


I can't believe I'm saying this


Looked like Crash Bandicoot


When I look at that list, there's just SO MUCH stuff that makes me say "Okay, and?" Circumstantial evidence should at the very least be compelling in the slightest. When I see "Ness is glitchy", I ask, "So what?".

 

[Deleted member]

Aww damn it, I'm debating about Geno in 3 in the morning.

I have no life.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

the only like big name beat em up char theyd have is cody. Its partly why I think Axel has such great chances at this point cause with kunio being out. That leaves him and cody. I feel like dante or wright or amateratsu would be picked before cody and cody has become more of a fighting game char at this point while axel has always been a beat em up char.
but cody would be cool too tbh

I don't really have any stakes but man, Haggar is RIGHT there

 

[Strong-Arm]

on that note its shocking smash lacks a beat em up character. Even if Id prefer axel and lose brain juices over him
id be happy with any beat em up char like Cody, Mike, Kunio, Misako, Battletoads, Jimmy/Billy and whoever

It just baffles me smash lacks a beat em up rep considering the entire concept of items in a fighting game came from them and theyre such an important genre of gaming

 

[GoodGrief741]

In an attempt to generate new discussion:

I've been replaying The Legend of Dragoon. It has reminded me what an amazing RPG console the PS1 was. One in particular that I think would be very cool for Smash is Parasite Eve. Aya Brea is a badass and I would love to see her become playable. The series is in a weird grey area in that it started with a book but the game is its own thing (from what I understand). She isn't going to happen since the series is dead and not connected to Nintendo, but I would be interested to hear from others what their PS1 RPG character picks would be?

This. Aya Brea is awesome and Parasite Eve is awesome and I'm just stoked that someone brought it up even once. I love that game.

 

[Heoj]

Yo, no offense, but like, some of you guys talk so much about geno here that at this point, if your going to continue, you should just go to the geno thread itself.

 

[cosmicB]

This evidence.
Of particular note:

• Geno's Mii Costume (and by extension the Chocobo Hat) have yet to return, even when they had a perfect chance with fell SquareEnix character Hero. (Sidenote: SquareEnix is the only company involved with Smash that segregates their own content from other third-parties.)
• The Mii Costume List that correctly listed all of Banjo's Mii Costumes sans... well, Sans, and had Mallow and Smithy costumes listed, yet no Geno.
• Legacy XP, an old Brawl mod that added both Waluigi and Geno as fighters, gets pulled down back in March under mysterious circumstances. (Sidenote: This kind of thing has happened to other fan projects such as AM2R and Mario Battle Royale, which were later made into official products by Nintendo.)

Hero came with only Dragon Quest characters, which could very well have been a request from Horii or other influential names at Armor Project to keep the direct focused on Dragon Quest outside of the amiibo reveals when the presentation was effectively over. There's enough weird rules with DQ that it's entirely believable.

And yeah, the Mii costume guy that didn't reveal the biggest costume of that presentation and then kept confusing spirits, alts, and even background characters for mii costumes. Even assuming he actually does have insider information and didn't just get lucky with a guess (and yes, it is absolutely possible to guess both Rocket Grunt and Goemon in the same presentation and the amount of people that completely ignored Goemon in general will always be sad to me), there's nothing disproving the possibility of him getting mii costumes confused for a future SMRPG spirit event that utilizes a combination of new and existing spirits.

I think we've discussed the problem with Legacy XP enough at this point even on the last few pages.

 

[7NATOR]

Hero came with only Dragon Quest characters, which could very well have been a request from Horii or other influential names at Armor Project to keep the direct focused on Dragon Quest outside of the amiibo reveals when the presentation was effectively over. There's enough weird rules with DQ that it's entirely believable.

And yeah, the Mii costume guy that didn't reveal the biggest costume of that presentation and then kept confusing spirits, alts, and even background characters for mii costumes. Even assuming he actually does have insider information and didn't just get lucky with a guess (and yes, it is absolutely possible to guess both Rocket Grunt and Goemon in the same presentation and the amount of people that completely ignored Goemon in general will always be sad to me), there's nothing disproving the possibility of him getting mii costumes confused for a future SMRPG spirit event that utilizes a combination of new and existing spirits.

I think we've discussed the problem with Legacy XP enough at this point even on the last few pages.

I think also another thing is that it's weird that Mallow/Smithy never came to pass, and it still hasn't passed for 4 Mii Packages since it was leaked? Every other costume on that leaked list was put in Banjo's pack, so it's kind of weird Mallow/Smithy never came to pass

That, along with them never guessing Sans doesn't paint the brightest picture. Perhaps an argument could be made that perhaps that was around the time they were finalizing Geno as a character, and Finalizing the Mii Costumes that would be included with him at a later date. There's still holes with that argument as well though

 

[ARandomFruit]

• Legacy XP, an old Brawl mod that added both Waluigi and Geno as fighters, gets pulled down back in March under mysterious circumstances. (Sidenote: This kind of thing has happened to other fan projects such as AM2R and Mario Battle Royale, which were later made into official products by Nintendo.)

Wasn't it shut down because of the fear of getting sued by Nintendo. Something like that at least. (or so I've heard)

Also I don't think that last point is that good anymore considering what has happened with the one Peach game recently.. But it might be a once in a blue moon thing but who knows.

 

[Shroob]

Hero came with only Dragon Quest characters, which could very well have been a request from Horii or other influential names at Armor Project to keep the direct focused on Dragon Quest outside of the amiibo reveals when the presentation was effectively over. There's enough weird rules with DQ that it's entirely believable.

And yeah, the Mii costume guy that didn't reveal the biggest costume of that presentation and then kept confusing spirits, alts, and even background characters for mii costumes. Even assuming he actually does have insider information and didn't just get lucky with a guess (and yes, it is absolutely possible to guess both Rocket Grunt and Goemon in the same presentation and the amount of people that completely ignored Goemon in general will always be sad to me), there's nothing disproving the possibility of him getting mii costumes confused for a future SMRPG spirit event that utilizes a combination of new and existing spirits.

I think we've discussed the problem with Legacy XP enough at this point even on the last few pages.

Actually, that is a good point.


How didn't he have Sans? Like, if you have the Mii costumes from a presentation... how the **** do you miss goddamn Sans?


And no, they didn't do a 'last minute swap' like soo many like to try to say when things don't line up to specific leaks. You're telling me that you get all these costumes.... but not ****ing Sans?

 

[zumaddy]

I want someone to make a Google docs similar to the 'Geno evidence' one but it's just filled with BS and reaches for a character no one wants. I'd do it if I wasn't busy rn

 

[MisterMike]

...
This is quite poor evidence.

How?

Examples of strong evidence would be Monster Hunter being promoted so hard by Nintendo that Monster Hunter got its own direct.

Monster Hunter is being promoted SO HARD right now. It even got its own direct, and amiibos. This is Dragon Quest XI S tiers of promotion from Nintendo.

You do realize that other third-party games have gotten their own dedicated Nintendo Directs in the past, right? Dragon Quest, Phoenix Wright, The Wonderful 101, Yo-Kai Watch, Bayonetta, Culdcept, and Dragalia Lost have all gotten their own Directs. Also, this isn't even the first Monster Hunter dedicated Direct, they had dedicated Directs for MH4, MH4G and MHXX. Monster Hunter getting a dedicated Direct doesn't mean anything for a Monster Hunter character's chances for Smash whatsoever.

When I see "Ness is glitchy", I ask, "So what?".

Well that, as well as the Shiek section, requires a bit of explaination. Polarthief you may want to add this context to the list.

During Smash 4, people discovered that Little Mac and Bayonetta were built using Captain Falcon and Zero Suit Samus as a base:

• Little Mac's ladder animation had him end up transitioning into Captain Falcon's idle pose when he reached the top.
• Duplicate data for Zero Suit Samus was found long before Bayonetta was added and disappeared upon her inclusion.
• There's also the oddity of Ridley having unused animations for gliding, which was removed in Smash 4, despite being a brand new fighter. It's believed that this is a leftover from Charizard, who not only also has unused gliding animations left over from when he could glide in Brawl, but has a very similar build to Ridley.

Fast forward some time, and people begin noticing that Mii Swordfighter and Duck Hunt are causing All-Star Smash to get all ****y. It's then hypothesized that that the reason it was only happening after Joker's inclusion was because these two characters were used as the basis for future DLC. Both Hero and Banjo, who were revealed at E3, both had very similar designs to both of these characters:

• Hero is a swordfighter who uses a lot of projectiles, and Mii Swordfighter has a good number of projectiles.
• Banjo & Kazooie are two characters who fight as one, with one being a bear and the other a bird. Duck Hunt is a dead ringer for the duo (especially with their 8th alt), to the point of being referenced in Banjo & Kazooie's Classic Mode route.

So going forward, people have begun to keep an eye out for other weird glitches and oddities reagrding characters, as they may be indicative of that character being used as the basis for another future character.

... I know this sounds weird and farfetched, but what are you gonna do, eh?

Hero came with only Dragon Quest characters, which could very well have been a request from Horii or other influential names at Armor Project to keep the direct focused on Dragon Quest outside of the amiibo reveals when the presentation was effectively over. There's enough weird rules with DQ that it's entirely believable.

Sure, that would be a believable enough excuse, but it goes a bit further than that: To this day SquareEnix is the only company in Smash history (including Nintendo themselves) to have their own segregated Mii Costume wave not once, but twice.

And yeah, the Mii costume guy that didn't reveal the biggest costume of that presentation and then kept confusing spirits, alts, and even background characters for mii costumes.

From what I've heard, that kind of mix-up isn't actually his fault, rather that's actually how the info was revealed to him. All he got were names, and he went ahead and assumed what they were for. Remember when Vergeben was admant on Minecraft content coming to the game? Well as it turned out, the info was misinterpreted. The Ender Dragon was actually Rathalos, whose internal name was "End_Dragon", and the Minecraft Spirit he was told about was actually the pig from Cubivore. Insider information sometimes gets confused and assumptions are made. I agree it sucks, but it's not entirely unique to Mii Costume Guy.

Even assuming he actually does have insider information and didn't just get lucky with a guess (and yes, it is absolutely possible to guess both Rocket Grunt and Goemon in the same presentation and the amount of people that completely ignored Goemon in general will always be sad to me), there's nothing disproving the possibility of him getting mii costumes confused for a future SMRPG spirit event that utilizes a combination of new and existing spirits.

Putting aside my disagreement with the sentiment that Rocket Grunt and Goemon costumes were an easy guess, I don't think we've ever had a Spirit Event that came with new Spirits. It's either been a themed event with existing Spirits or a collection of exclusively new Spirits. Also, I find it very unlikely that Mii Costume Guy's list had entirely Costumes but then also had two names for a Spirit event that simply never materialized despite two of those Spirits already being in the game. I mean, what would be the point of even having a Spirit event where most of the Spirits were old but there's only one new one? That seems like a complete waste of time.

Wasn't it shut down because of the fear of getting sued by Nintendo. Something like that at least. (or so I've heard)

That's the theory, but there's been nothing official said on the matter. They just took it all down for no readily explained reason.

Also I don't think that last point is that good anymore considering what has happened with the one Peach game recently.. But it might be a once in a blue moon thing but who knows.

Since this isn't a video game, I'm leaning on this being a one in a blue moon thing. Remember when Nintendo bought the copyright for Super Hornio Brothers so nobody could make porn parodies using the name?

I want someone to make a Google docs similar to the 'Geno evidence' one but it's just filled with BS and reaches for a character no one wants. I'd do it if I wasn't busy rn

Well, what character do you have in mind? Depending on who it is, I might just be willing to make that myself.