Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[weallfloatdownhere7]

Don't get it twisted, I don't hate Geno. I just know that like all Super Mario characters, he has no chance at this point. And even if Super Mario characters were on the table, it'd be like, King Boo and that's it given that Nintendo's making the picks, the kind of picks they're making in regards to first parties, and their policies on characters they didn't make.


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Oof! I gotta go. Wasn't planning on staying this long.

You really out here saying that when they just got done adding the freaking Piranha Plant as a playable character? Why COULDN’T Geno make it in after that legitimately happened?

 

[Deleted member]

was definitely added due to fan demand, and how easy it would be to obtain them. I would say they are cheaper than Steve and Master Chief, and the fan demand helps.

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

You know something I've been thinking about is if the already strong pre-sales of the 3D Mario All Stars Collection might lead to other ones in the future, even if Nintendo seems keen tying them to anniversary specific years a lot of the time.

While we're far away from many Smash anniversaries, I wonder if a collection of 64/Melee/Brawl is completely out of the question at some point. Given the minimalist changes we saw for the 3D Mario games, it wouldn't be biggest issue in just putting all three as they are on a disc/digital download and taking in the sales.

 

[Hydreigonfan01]

Right, where's the "Day 0 since Geno Discussion" image again?

 

[Dinoman96]

Yeah I don't buy the whole "well, they added Banjo & Kazooie cuz they wanted a Microsoft character" thing. They were included because of massive fan demand as a result of their previous history as N64 mascots, and Microsoft was willing to let it happen.

That just simply isn't how series/characters are selected in Smash Bros. Like Dragon Quest wasn't included because "well, gotta give Square-Enix that second rep", it was included because it's freaking Dragon Quest. Likewise, if we get, say, Crash Bandicoot, it's not to give Activision a rep on the roster or whatever, it's because Crash is a popular gaming icon that was Mario's 3rd big rival during the 90s and is also having a big resurgence lately.

 

[CannonStreak]

Yeah I don't buy the whole "well, they added Banjo & Kazooie cuz they wanted a Microsoft character" thing. They were included because of massive fan demand because of their previous history as N64 mascots, and Microsoft was willing to let it happen.

That just simply isn't how series/characters are selected in Smash Bros. Like Dragon Quest wasn't included because "well, gotta give Square-Enix that second rep", it was included because it's freaking Dragon Quest. Likewise, if we get, say, Crash Bandicoot, it's not to give Activision a rep on the roster or whatever, it's because Crash is a popular gaming icon that was Mario's 3rd big rival during the 90s and is also having a big resurgence lately.

You have some points there. I mean, Smash Bros. is mostly, if not, completely about fan service. There is going to be demand for many characters to be playable by many out there. Why leave any character like Geno, or any character, for that matter, out? Despite the hate Geno and other characters get or have gotten, that is not how fan service is supposed to work, right?

 

[TyrantLizardKing]

Meanwhile to this day I'm still in awe that , a character super irrelevant to Nintendo nowadays, is on the roster. Feels like a dream to finally have her playable, clone or not.

 

[weallfloatdownhere7]

Man, this arguing is getting nowhere.

Though Banjo-Kazooie are Microsoft nowadays, they were still Nintendo characters day 1. Plus, with Microsoft having other, bigger characters as other pointed out, without the fan demand, Microsoft would not even have chosen the duo for Smash. And from what I remember, Phil Spencer was interested in bringing the duo to Smash. Now if Banjo-Kazooie were with Sony, nowadays, well, RIP The Dream would have been likelier.



SHAME ON YOU. No, just kidding! Who knew this would get out of hand over a post from another site?

So you literally just admitted that they wouldn’t have gotten in without fan demand? They got in for the same reason Ridley and K Rool made it in. Fan demand. Phil Spencer only “showed interest” because fans were constantly asking him about it over the years. You know... fan demand? Suggesting that they just conveniently added all these characters out of nothing but their own merits and history as Nintendo characters is just ignorant.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

Forget smash, i just want Monster Hunter news

 

[MooMew64]

Meanwhile to this day I'm still in awe that , a character super irrelevant to Nintendo nowadays, is on the roster. Feels like a dream to finally have her playable, clone or not.

being added was one of the coolest things ever for me in Smash Bros. I adore MP2, and seeing Dark Samus get in (even as a clone) made me feel overjoyed.

I am sad that we don't have either of her fight themes in the game, though. Huge missed opportunity.

 

[CannonStreak]

So you literally just admitted that they wouldn’t have gotten in without fan demand? They got in for the same reason Ridley and K Rool made it in. Fan demand. Phil Spencer only “showed interest” because fans were constantly asking him about it over the years. You know... fan demand? Suggesting that they just conveniently added all these characters out of nothing but their own merits and history as Nintendo characters is just ignorant.

When did I say that? If anything, that was part of what I was trying to say, not the whole picture. I wasn't the one saying they were not in because of fan demand, or fan demand alone. Ease up, will you?

 

[Megadoomer]

I highly doubt fan demand from a subset of the hardcore fanbase (which in itself is much smaller than the whole audiance) is going to overcome Nintendo's lack of willingness to use characters like him.

Besides, if it was him (or anyone from the Super Mario series), we would have been given a reveal date or the reveal itself.

Doesn't this literally describe K. Rool's situation, though? Nintendo was unwilling to use him (even though people clearly wanted him back in the build-up to both DKC Returns and DKC Tropical Freeze), and yet he was included in Smash due to large amounts of fan demand. Same thing goes for Banjo, where Microsoft hadn't been willing to do anything with the character for over a decade outside of releasing a Rare compilation, Steve and Master Chief were seen as being significantly more likely, and yet Banjo and Kazooie made it into Smash due to consistent fan demand.

Fan demand might not be the sole deciding factor for a character's inclusion, but it seems odd to act like Geno's never going to get in despite the long-lasting support that the character has.

 

[Phoenixio]

Banjo was a highly requested character since the very beginning of Smash. His games were N64 classics, and people were wondering even at the release of Smash 64 why Banjo wasn't in, at least all throughout America. That's a long history of fan demand, and to this day, it's a beloved franchise. Rare had a lengthy history with Nintendo, and it was just pure awesomeness that they agreed to lend the character, Yes Rare is owned by Microsoft, and obviously they were also involved in the decision, but I really think people need to move beyond Microsoft and realize it was probably mostly through Rare that this happened. And these types of relationships help build stronger collaborations down the line for sure. And Banjo games probably got a boost in sales when he was announced, through the Rare collections and whatnot on XBox.

Now Geno... Geno has a fanbase, but where does it come from? We know for sure that Sakurai and other developpers hated the whole Waluigi stunts and spam, and Geno is kind of in the same boat. He's popular, but from what, the memes? Because whenever you ask people in the Geno fanbase why it's him and not Mellow, they don't really reply. Was Geno an actual fan favorite back in the day, before Smash, during SMRPG? Do you think Sakurai will try to please the fans? If Geno gets in, why not Waluigi? (or vice versa?) And then again, get out of the Smash Boards bubble, and would the rest of the community actually care for Geno? Is it worth the tricky investment into the character due to the current ownership situation, when it wouldn't necessarily appeal to the casual community at all? A community that forms what, 70% of the playerbase if not more? At least characters like Min Min, Hero, Banjo, they appeal to those quite a bit more, through history, design, originality, look and whatnot. Compared to a character that has been in only 1 game ever?

So yeah, to me, comparing Geno and Banjo is like comparing apples and oranges: they're both fruits demanded by some fans, but beyond that, they have very different contexts, and while a respectable pick in itself, I find myself struggling to see Geno with such big odds as some would claim here.

 

[TyrantLizardKing]

being added was one of the coolest things ever for me in Smash Bros. I adore MP2, and seeing Dark Samus get in (even as a clone) made me feel overjoyed.

I am sad that we don't have either of her fight themes in the game, though. Huge missed opportunity.

Prime Trilogy are collectively my favourite games of all time, I've 100%ed all of them as of this year. Having Dark Samus and Meta Ridley officially in Smash is such a blessing after Smash 4 went so hard on Other M.

Though I would be lying if I said I wasn't still really disappointed in the Metroid music selection. It's like they're really biased against the Primes or something (because they're western-made, maybe?).

 

[Hydreigonfan01]

So you literally just admitted that they wouldn’t have gotten in without fan demand? They got in for the same reason Ridley and K Rool made it in. Fan demand. Phil Spencer only “showed interest” because fans were constantly asking him about it over the years. You know... fan demand? Suggesting that they just conveniently added all these characters out of nothing but their own merits and history as Nintendo characters is just ignorant.

Dude, calm the **** down. SonicSmasher was agreeing with you, he wants Geno in. He's part of the Geno thread.

 

[CannonStreak]

Now Geno... Geno has a fanbase, but where does it come from? We know for sure that Sakurai and other developpers hated the whole Waluigi stunts and spam, and Geno is kind of in the same boat. He's popular, but from what, the memes? Because whenever you ask people in the Geno fanbase why it's him and not Mellow, they don't really reply. Was Geno an actual fan favorite back in the day, before Smash, during SMRPG? Do you think Sakurai will try to please the fans? If Geno gets in, why not Waluigi? (or vice versa?) And then again, get out of the Smash Boards bubble, and would the rest of the community actually care for Geno? Is it worth the tricky investment into the character due to the current ownership situation, when it wouldn't necessarily appeal to the casual community at all? A community that forms what, 70% of the playerbase if not more? At least characters like Min Min, Hero, Banjo, they appeal to those quite a bit more, through history, design, originality, look and whatnot. Compared to a character that has been in only 1 game ever?

I see your point. Personally, I think fan demand is the main and perhaps only thing Geno has here. I mean, if he is popular from the memes, even with Youtube videos to see how he acts, I don't think even that is the same as playing the game and Geno in SMRPG. Those are two different things, and I don't think, though I could be wrong, that people could fully understand Geno by just Youtube videos alone. Heck! I remember plenty of people say they did not think Geno was too useful, if at all, in the later parts of SMRPG, or at least used him much at that point.

 

[weallfloatdownhere7]

Dude, calm the **** down. SonicSmasher was agreeing with you, he wants Geno in. He's part of the Geno thread.

I fail to see where he was agreeing with me on anything, I’m not just out here trying to be a jerk. But if you say so, my apologies

 

[Deleted member]

I must ask the REAL question.

W weallfloatdownhere7 Where do we float down?

I had to ask that. Also I see this thread is dry.

 

[CannonStreak]

I fail to see where he was agreeing with me on anything, I’m not just out here trying to be a jerk. But if you say so, my apologies

Ah, brother. For a moment, I thought you were mistaking me for Smash Puppy, or whatever his name is. I barely, if ever, said anything that was contradicting to what you said. In fact, I was trying to back up what you and others said about Banjo-Kazooie. I don't even remember saying otherwise or the contrary before then, last I checked.

Dude, calm the **** down. SonicSmasher was agreeing with you, he wants Geno in. He's part of the Geno thread.

Technically, I don't think Geno is as likely as some make him out to be. He is still a wanted of mine, though.

 

[Momotsuki]

I'd love to see Geno just because it kinda feels right. I'm not a big SMRPG fan but he's been in the cards for some time and it would just be nice to see. I think he has respectable chances but is certainly not a lock by any means.

 

[Arcane Jill]

Look, I like Geno and would love to see him finally become a fighter (tho I'm 95% sure we will just get his Mii costume back), but do we really need to be talking about him yet again? Pretty sure it's been like a week since the last time. Sometime I think we talk about more than his own thread does.

 

[Deleted member]

I'd love to see Geno just because it kinda feels right. I'm not a big SMRPG fan but he's been in the cards for some time and it would just be nice to see. I think he has respectable chances but is certainly not a lock by any means.

I'd love to see Crash just because it kinda feels right. I'm not a big Crash Bandicoot fan but he's been in the cards for some time and it would just be nice to see. I think he has respectable chances but is certainly not a lock by any means.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

Anyway about monster hunter. You think they will bring back all the monster or pull a World and cut out all the good monsters

 

[Arcane Jill]

Anyway about monster hunter. You think they will bring back all the monster or pull a World and cut out all the good monsters

Honestly not sure what it will be. We got GenU to cover classic MH and I doubt the Switch can handle Iceborne (even my 1080 struggles to keep above 30 fps). Thinking it may be some kind of spinoff.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

Honestly not sure what it will be. We got GenU to cover classic MH and I doubt the Switch can handle Iceborne (even my 1080 struggles to keep above 30 fps). Thinking it may be some kind of spinoff.

it will probably be another classic MH

with none of worlds qol changes hopefully

 

[Deleted member]

We know for sure that Sakurai and other developpers hated the whole Waluigi stunts and spam, and Geno is kind of in the same boat.

Uhh..... source please? I haven’t heard anything about this....

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Tbh I wonder why World was never ported to Switch when Witcher 3 Switch is right there

 

[Super Devon]

I'd love to see Crash just because it kinda feels right. I'm not a big Crash Bandicoot fan but he's been in the cards for some time and it would just be nice to see. I think he has respectable chances but is certainly not a lock by any means.

I'd love to see Noctis just because it kinda feels right. I'm not a big FFXV fan but he's been in the cards for some time and it would just be nice to see. I think he has respectable chances but is certainly not a lock by any means.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

what I don't get about world is why did they Dull down the colors and make ity look so bland compared to the classic monster hunter games

 

[Firox]

Doesn't this literally describe K. Rool's situation, though? Nintendo was unwilling to use him (even though people clearly wanted him back in the build-up to both DKC Returns and DKC Tropical Freeze), and yet he was included in Smash due to large amounts of fan demand. Same thing goes for Banjo, where Microsoft hadn't been willing to do anything with the character for over a decade outside of releasing a Rare compilation, Steve and Master Chief were seen as being significantly more likely, and yet Banjo and Kazooie made it into Smash due to consistent fan demand.

Fan demand might not be the sole deciding factor for a character's inclusion, but it seems odd to act like Geno's never going to get in despite the long-lasting support that the character has.

You silly goose with your logic and reason. Didn't you know that irrational gatekeeping is the IN thing these days?

 

[Cosmic77]

Based on the relatively slow activity in this thread, I'm going to assume that there was never a character shadowdropped this morning.

Needless to say, that rumor about the Nintendo character who not many people were expecting being revealed Monday was probably false.

 

[CannonStreak]

Based on the relatively slow activity in this thread, I'm going to assume that there was never a character shadowdropped this morning.

Needless to say, that rumor about the Nintendo character who not many people were expecting being revealed Monday was probably false.

You mean from Tiffany, right?

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Based on the relatively slow activity in this thread, I'm going to assume that there was never a character shadowdropped this morning.

Needless to say, that rumor about the Nintendo character who not many people were expecting being revealed Monday was probably false.

I mean that was friggin HotGirlVideos69 perpetuating that rumor sooooo

I think imma block her actually - she posts gross TMI ****, and she defends Cuties. Yeeeaaahhhhh

into the trash she goes

 

[CannonStreak]

I mean that was friggin HotGirlVideos69 perpetuating that rumor sooooo

I think imma block her actually - she posts gross TMI ****, and she defends Cuties. Yeeeaaahhhhh

into the trash she goes

Not to mention her disgusting tweet about being on the toilet. She is probably just doing this for attention she doesn’t deserve.

 

[Phoenixio]

Uhh..... source please? I haven’t heard anything about this....

I remember another developer being much more vocal about it, but I don't remember the context so I couldn't find it. But for Waluigi specifically, there was stuff going on even before the release of Ultimate: clicky

Essentially, they were highlighting that spamming and misrepresenting demand is seen negatively and hinders chances some characters could get in. Waluigi was an example, along with others, Geno coming to mind since the origins of his movement are similarly meme-born.

I mean that was friggin HotGirlVideos69 perpetuating that rumor sooooo

But it wasn't just that, the Spanish guy claiming he had info without being the original source of the leak said the same, without referencing that. So I thought the origin was different.

 

[Cosmic77]

You mean from Tiffany, right?

I mean that was friggin HotGirlVideos69 perpetuating that rumor sooooo

I think imma block her actually - she posts gross TMI ****, and she defends Cuties. Yeeeaaahhhhh

into the trash she goes

Actually, I was referring to the other one. The guy who was from Spain, I believe.

He was the one who claimed to have had a source who told him we were getting a character today.

 

[CannonStreak]

Actually, I was referring to the other one. The guy who was from Spain, I believe.

He was the one who claimed to have had a source who told him we were getting a character today.

Oh. Was he even credible in the first place?

 

[Deleted member]

I think imma block her actually - she posts gross TMI ****, and she defends Cuties. Yeeeaaahhhhh

Who or what is Cuties?

 

[weallfloatdownhere7]

I mean that was friggin HotGirlVideos69 perpetuating that rumor sooooo

I think imma block her actually - she posts gross TMI ****, and she defends Cuties. Yeeeaaahhhhh

into the trash she goes

Have any of the people outraged over Cuties actually watched it? Just genuinely wondering.

 

[Super Devon]

Who or what is Cuties?

I'm not even going to describe it, it's too screwed up for me to even go into detail