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Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

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One Winged Angel and the two(?) tracks that were present in Cloud's presentation (the Chocobo song and one I can't recall). Sounds lazy but clever enough to happen.
That would be the Opening Theme to FF7. i.e. The opening sequence in Midgar. I don't think it would fit the tone of Smash really well and it was pretty much only used to hype up Cloud.

Chocobo's theme I can see but like, it doesn't fit the tone of Midgar at all. Like, not in the slightest lol.

If there were 3 additional tracks from FF7, I would say it should be One-Winged Angel (obviously), the Shinra theme from Disc 1, and maybe a remix of the Final Fantasy main theme in general.
 

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Hey, I'm not trying to be bitter or attack anyone; Roy has an iconic factor as a part of the Smash series, which I don't think Ike has. I didn't know he was popular, but I don't see people in the Smash community going wild for him whereas just about everyone likes Roy. As for Lucina (someone else commented about her), I think that Marth and Lucina together have a strange influence on the meta. One is always made completely irrelevant by the other, and to be honest, I much prefer watching and playing Marth over Lucina. I think most people agree.

And yes, I think Dark Samus is so similar to Samus that she should be a skin. She's pretty much one already. I also love Ridley, I just don't think the playable Ridley is a good representation. When I was a kid and played Brawl, Ridley had such a fantastic presence as a boss. I get hyped just thinking about it! I don't get that same vibe with playable Ridley. Maybe balance changes would improve the situation, though. I think Sylux could be a very interesting fighter in the future, however. Seems to have a lot of potential as a new antagonist for Metroid.

Again, I'm going under the assumption here that the next Smash game will involve lots of cuts and polish our veteran fighters while focusing more on gameplay innovation. Sakurai, after all, has said that "Everyone is Here" will likely not happen again. If they were to cut Ridley and make him a boss with a major role in the story mode again, I would be completely fine with that.



You're attributing anger to somewhere there isn't any. If people want to get angry about this, that's fine, but I'm not participating in that. Having opinions about a game we all love shouldn't frustrate anyone, but generate positive discussion instead.
Ike is my favorite Smash Character. He also has the most popular of the Western Games. I know a lot of other people that love Ike.
 

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So if Final Fantasy does get, what was it? Three? Five? New songs what do you think they would be? I would laugh if any of them were remixes of Let the Battles Begin! and Fight On!
If I had to take a guess, One Winged Angel, a remix of Final Fantasy's main theme, and maybe the Chocobo theme because why not? The latter doesn't really fit the tone of Midgar, but then again this is the same game where you can have JRPG final boss music playing on the Nintendogs stage so that'd hardly be the worst offender for tonal whiplash lol
 

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So if Final Fantasy does get, what was it? Three? Five? New songs what do you think they would be? I would laugh if any of them were remixes of Let the Battles Begin! and Fight On!.
I want Electric de Chocobo for my custom stages.
A remix of J-E-N-O-V-A would also be cool.
 

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If I had to take a guess, One Winged Angel, a remix of Final Fantasy's main theme, and maybe the Chocobo theme because why not? The latter doesn't really fit the tone of Midgar, but then again this is the same game where you can have JRPG final boss music playing on the Nintendogs stage so that'd hardly be the worst offender for tonal whiplash lol
I always get a chuckle when A Validictory Elegy starts playing on Baloon Fight.

I think the Chocobo theme could work if it was made less bouncy like in Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn. Other than One Winged Angel and Chocobo, I hope they add a series spanning battle theme medley though that's probably less likely than any individual theme.

I want Electric de Chocobo for my custom stages.
A remix of J-E-N-O-V-A would also be cool.
When you said Electric de Chocobo I expected something like Crazy Chocobo. What I got was surfer music and I find this hilarious.

Also I find J-E-N-O-V-A to be much better than One Winged Angel.
 
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If the leak is real, i think we might get 2 new companies in after all instead of capcom and namco.

I think DLC 4 and DLC 5 are going to be more unexpected that people think :p
that would be pretty surprising if that happens.

Honestly I'm just hoping that the sudden buff to Final Fantasy's representation is true because it really deserves more than two songs. I'm not holding my breath or anything but that would make me super happy, even if it is just a few extra songs.
Final Fantasy definitely deserves more representation than it got.
 

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that would be pretty surprising if that happens.


Final Fantasy definitely deserves more representation than it got.
I wish during the AT segment of the Nov 1st direct, that Sephiroth was the FF assist trophy. Street Fighter got Guile, Bayonetta got Rodin, but FF got... screwed
 

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I wish during the AT segment of the Nov 1st direct, that Sephiroth was the FF assist trophy. Street Fighter got Guile, Bayonetta got Rodin, but FF got... screwed
yeah I really don't get why square wouldn't let Nintendo to use Sephiroth as a assist trophy since it's not like songs or sprits where it's to required the artist/composer's permission to use the songs/art(witch even that wouldn't be that expense).
 

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Real quicky, I just came in for a visit (and to let notifications easily take me back to this exact point lol)

I get that this quick leak (which would be super dope entirely if it were real) is popular here, but why is everyone speculating Geno? Realistically a mii costume from the last game shouldn't deconfirm (with not one but three instances of a character existing alongside their sm4sh mii costumes), so I don't get why it's a big deal now that there's a good chance it isn't coming back. Besides, doesn't he already got a spirit (the primary example formerly used against Geno's chances in DLC)?

Also no offense but Geno would be a literal who to anyone but religious Mario or more involved smash fans

I'm certainly not against Geno in any way (Heck, he was the only character on the Grinch Leak I actively would have enjoyed myself) but these arguments don't make a ton of sense even given the recent leaks.
 
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Real quicky, I just came in for a visit (and to let notifications easily take me back to this exact point lol)

I get that this quick leak (which would be super dope entirely if it were real) is popular here, but why is everyone speculating Geno? Realistically a mii costume from the last game shouldn't deconfirm (with not one but three instances of a character existing alongside their sm4sh mii costumes), so I don't get why it's a big deal now that there's a good chance it isn't coming back. Besides, doesn't he already got a spirit (the primary example formerly used against Geno's chances in DLC)?

Also no offense but Geno would be a literal who to anyone but religious Mario or more involved smash fans

I'm certainly not against Geno in any way (Heck, he was the only character on the Grinch Leak I actively would have enjoyed myself) but these arguments don't make a ton of sense even given the recent leaks.
Considering the thing in question has no Geno costume mentioned and that 1 picture of a bird going wild over on the Geno thread because apparently it's a European Starling, I can see why some people would be heavily speculating that he might actually have a chance currently. We'll just have to find out soon enough if they drop any sort of info on Hero and Smash related content for the next couple of days or weeks.
 

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Real quicky, I just came in for a visit (and to let notifications easily take me back to this exact point lol)

I get that this quick leak (which would be super dope entirely if it were real) is popular here, but why is everyone speculating Geno? Realistically a mii costume from the last game shouldn't deconfirm (with not one but three instances of a character existing alongside their sm4sh mii costumes), so I don't get why it's a big deal now that there's a good chance it isn't coming back. Besides, doesn't he already got a spirit (the primary example formerly used against Geno's chances in DLC)?

Also no offense but Geno would be a literal who to anyone but religious Mario or more involved smash fans

I'm certainly not against Geno in any way (Heck, he was the only character on the Grinch Leak I actively would have enjoyed myself) but these arguments don't make a ton of sense even given the recent leaks.
I made these same arguments during Brawl's rollout, but we're well into the fifth installment of the series and there's already no shortage of "literal who" characters already present if you aren't the biggest Nintendo nerd (see: the entire Fire Emblem cast).

I think Geno making it in this time around is within the realm of possibility, ASSUMING Spirits don't deconfirm characters (which I believe they do).

We've gotten too many characters thought to be impossible at this point to completely count him out.
 
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Real quicky, I just came in for a visit (and to let notifications easily take me back to this exact point lol)

I get that this quick leak (which would be super dope entirely if it were real) is popular here, but why is everyone speculating Geno? Realistically a mii costume from the last game shouldn't deconfirm (with not one but three instances of a character existing alongside their sm4sh mii costumes), so I don't get why it's a big deal now that there's a good chance it isn't coming back. Besides, doesn't he already got a spirit (the primary example formerly used against Geno's chances in DLC)?

Also no offense but Geno would be a literal who to anyone but religious Mario or more involved smash fans

I'm certainly not against Geno in any way (Heck, he was the only character on the Grinch Leak I actively would have enjoyed myself) but these arguments don't make a ton of sense even given the recent leaks.
Even if the Mii costume was removed, there is no indication that it means Geno is playable. Isaac had his AT removed in Smash 4 and he wasn't made playable.. Sometimes thing are removed for odd reasons, and not for good reasons.
 

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If the leak is real, i think we might get 2 new companies in after all instead of capcom and namco.

I think DLC 4 and DLC 5 are going to be more unexpected that people think :p
I'm telling you its gonna be Resident Evil and Story of Seasons. ;)
 

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Even if the Mii costume was removed, there is no indication that it means Geno is playable. Isaac had his AT removed in Smash 4 and he wasn't made playable.. Sometimes thing are removed for odd reasons, and not for good reasons.
This is why I'm hesitant to call any omission a hard confirmation.
Right now the horse I'm backing is Porky because of his complete absence in Ultimate, but it could be an Isaac Assist Trophy removal situation, or a Dark Samus costume removal situation. No one can comprehend the inner machinations of Sakurai's mind.
 

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This is why I'm hesitant to call any omission a hard confirmation.
Right now the horse I'm backing is Porky because of his complete absence in Ultimate, but it could be an Isaac Assist Trophy removal situation, or a Dark Samus costume removal situation. No one can comprehend the inner machinations of Sakurai's mind.
My guess for Porky is either:

-He was a planned boss but cut
-He's going to come back as a bonus boss for a Boss Rush Mode
-The Absolutely Safe Capsule is meant to stand-in for him as a joke

I would love Porky but for the life of me I cannot imagine why he would be chosen as a Smash character, let alone a DLC one.
 
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Porky used to be in my sights several months ago, but only under the auspices that we'd get some kind of EarthBoud trilogy (or something) announced for the franchise's 30th anniversary to coincide with the announcement, a la Isabelle and Animal Crossing: New Horizons.

Since we unfortunately got jack for that, I can't say he's even a blip on my radar anymore.
 
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My guess for Porky is either:

-He was a planned boss but cut
-He's going to come back as a bonus boss for a Boss Rush Mode
-The Absolutely Safe Capsule is meant to stand-in for him as a joke

I would love Porky but for the life of me I cannot imagine why he would be chosen as a Smash character, let alone a DLC one.
The first two kind of make sense but that last one sounds really silly and unreasonable. If he's missing he's just missing. Maybe they just looked at which sprite/artwork they wanted to use and then they just gave up and decided to leave it. Or he just forgot, i don't know.
 
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The first two kind of make sense but that last one sounds really silly and unreasonable. If he's missing he's just missing. Maybe they just looked at which sprite/artwork they wanted to use and then they just gave up and decided to leave it. Or he just forgot, i don't know.
I mean:
"Oh, my! As evil as old Porky here is, I feel bad for him now. It's true that the "Absolutely Safe Capsule" that the Mr. Saturns and I developed together can protect one from every manner of danger. It IS an absolutely safe capsule, but once you enter it, you can never exit it... Even what's outside of the Absolutely Safe Capsule is absolutely safe. I did tell Porky in a hushed voice that he shouldn't use it yet... But all he can do now is live for eternity inside the capsule, in absolute safety. Who knows, in a way, he may've gotten exactly what he wanted. What do you think? Is it wrong of me to think this way?"
It's really not that much of a stretch to think they thought it'd be cute if Porky didn't get made into a Spirit because he's Absolutely Safe.
 
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I mean:



It's really not that much of a stretch to think they thought it'd be cute if Porky didn't get made into a Spirit because he's Absolutely Safe.
If it was joke wouldn't it make more sense for it to go Porky -> Safe Capsule like an evolutionary spirit
 

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Porky used to be in my sights several months ago, but only under the auspices that we'd get some kind of EarthBoud trilogy (or something) announced for the franchise's 30th anniversary to coincide with the announcement, a la Isabelle and Animal Crossing: New Horizons.

Since we unfortunately got jack for that, I can't say he's even a blip on my radar anymore.
The 30th Anniversary hasn’t passed yet. That would be the end of this month (July 27) which, while unlikely, we still could possibly get something.

I mean:


It's really not that much of a stretch to think they thought it'd be cute if Porky didn't get made into a Spirit because he's Absolutely Safe.
The sprite used for the Absolutely Safe Capsule is the sprite from Mother 3 when Porky is not in the capsule. I’m not pushing this as hard evidence, but I do believe it’s at least worth noting.

My guess for Porky is either:

-He was a planned boss but cut
-He's going to come back as a bonus boss for a Boss Rush Mode
-The Absolutely Safe Capsule is meant to stand-in for him as a joke

I would love Porky but for the life of me I cannot imagine why he would be chosen as a Smash character, let alone a DLC one.
As much as I’d like to see Porky as a fighter, I still think it would be cool to have him back as a boss, provided he got some new attacks like Galleom did.

As for why they’d choose him as a Smash character, probably the only reason that would make sense for the majority of people would be if he was released/announced along with an EarthBound Trilogy game. Otherwise, if he were announced say in November/December and we don’t get some sort of EarthBound news along with him, many people would be asking why he was included, though I’d just be psyched about it.

Finally, while I appreciate the humor of the Absolutely Safe Capsule being a stand-in, I’d rather just have a Porky Spirit.
 
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That too.

Besides that, there was a lot of Corrin hate all over the net. It's pretty clear s/he was still overall popular, enough they got thrown into various other Fire Emblem games. Cause I don't remember Fates being nearly that popular either. So something clearly clicked. It's likely sales data. That said, despite many areas of the net having some backlash(which is was pretty vocal at times, including this site alone), it's not like it meant Corrin was vastly unpopular overall. Vocal Minority issue looks like it's the overall case.
ok this is where people often make the same mistakes. the smash community reception of a character is not an indication of how the game itself was received. Judging FE reception is extremely tricky as the fanbase in the west cannibalizes itself in an extremely toxic way. Unlike most fandoms, there are clearly two well-defined sides and fates appealed to one half and the other acted like it was an insult to the franchise.

if you only read the internet you'd hear that fates was never liked and not well received and shadows of valencia was incredible.
fates sold 2 million ad shadows of valencia sold .75 million. fates is (currently) the best selling fire emblem game ever.

The major complaint mostly old school players had with fates was the story and that isnt really on corrin its more on how they choose to write this story out. Gameplaywise fates was very good unit balance was great.
 

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The sprite used for the Absolutely Safe Capsule is the sprite from Mother 3 when Porky is not in the capsule. I’m not pushing this as hard evidence, but I do believe it’s at least worth noting..
I didn't actually think the sprite changed when Porky gets inside it?
 

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I didn't actually think the sprite changed when Porky gets inside it?
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Again, it changes very slightly, which is why I’m not using this as hard evidence one way or the other. I do think it should be noted though.
 

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Again, it changes very slightly, which is why I’m not using this as hard evidence one way or the other. I do think it should be noted though.
Didn't Nintendo themselves accidentally include a fan made version of the masked man sprite over the official one?

If the change with the ASC is so subtle then chances are they didn't notice the difference either and just picked one for the spirit.

At least I suppose so... I myself wasn't aware there was a difference until it was pointed out.
 

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I'm aware there's more than just Dark Souls in terms of potential newcomers for Namco, and I never said it's the only potential newcomer from Namco. But I do believe Dark Souls is the most likely candidate if Tekken and Tales are out of the equation. It's a series that reached mainstream popularity and influenced the gaming industry quite heavily (so much so that any hard game nowadays is compared to the bloody series).
However, there's two other series (Soul Calibur and Digimon) that it has to compete with if both Tekken and Tales are out, especially the latter, considering how much content Digimon is getting on the Switch.
 

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Didn't Nintendo themselves accidentally include a fan made version of the masked man sprite over the official one?

If the change with the ASC is so subtle then chances are they didn't notice the difference either and just picked one for the spirit.

At least I suppose so... I myself wasn't aware there was a difference until it was pointed out.
i always wondered why they ripped it from deviantart. like i know mother 3 has absolutely no art at all but come on dude deviantart?

i didn't even know japan used deviantart
 
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Didn't Nintendo themselves accidentally include a fan made version of the masked man sprite over the official one?

If the change with the ASC is so subtle then chances are they didn't notice the difference either and just picked one for the spirit.

At least I suppose so... I myself wasn't aware there was a difference until it was pointed out.
That’s completely possible. I’ve also heard people say that the sprite when Porky is in it has an added shadow under the Capsule (which you can’t see in the picture cause of the black background), and that it would be “weird to have a Spirit with a shadow under it”. I don’t see what would make that weird, but there could be any number of reasons they have one sprite in over the other. Maybe it’s intentional, maybe it’s not. Again, just something I find noteworthy, but probably not hard evidence one way or the other unless Nintendo themselves say something about it.
 

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not gonna lie i'd support a Digimon inclusion ONLY if we got an incredible CGI trailer of Pikachu fighting a Digimon.
 

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I feel the ASC spirit being a joke is possible, but how you obtain it has no references to Porky at all and even so he’s still technically not a spirit, not even his EarthBound form.
 

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I feel the ASC spirit being a joke is possible, but how you obtain it has no references to Porky at all and even so he’s still technically not a spirit, not even his EarthBound form.
How many non-upgradable spirits are the same character though? I think Ganon/dorf (aside from fighters) is the only one who has multiple spirits devoted to what should be the same being, but even then the multiple timelines might shade that.

(but also the amusing wrinkle you can get multiples of most spirits)
 
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How many non-upgradable spirits are the same character though? I think Ganon/dorf (aside from fighters) is the only one who has multiple spirits devoted to what should be the same being, but even then the multiple timelines might shade that.

(but also the amusing wrinkle you can get multiples of most spirits)
Well TP Ganondorf and OoT Ganondorf are also technically the same person.

There’s also Super Sonic and Pit (Classic) and of course Mario characters. I think Kaptain K. Rool and Baron K. Rool too (though Kaptain probably evolves into Baron).

So maybe, if Porky actually becomes a fighter, it could be his EarthBound appearance.
 
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Well TP Ganondorf and OoT Ganondorf are also technically the same person.

There’s also Super Sonic and Pit (Classic) and of course Mario characters.

So maybe, if Porky actually becomes a fighter, it could be his EarthBound appearance.
I feel like his EarthBound appearance would work well, as the mech is smaller if they decide to put him in that. But also if they decide to reserve his mech for a Final Smash, the only place he’s seen outside his mech is EarthBound. In fact, there’s this really great moveset idea that someone came up with where Porky is out of his mech, yet his moveset references both EarthBound and Mother 3 very well. https://m.imgur.com/a/yRRMP6t
 

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ok this is where people often make the same mistakes. the smash community reception of a character is not an indication of how the game itself was received. Judging FE reception is extremely tricky as the fanbase in the west cannibalizes itself in an extremely toxic way. Unlike most fandoms, there are clearly two well-defined sides and fates appealed to one half and the other acted like it was an insult to the franchise.

if you only read the internet you'd hear that fates was never liked and not well received and shadows of valencia was incredible.
fates sold 2 million ad shadows of valencia sold .75 million. fates is (currently) the best selling fire emblem game ever.

The major complaint mostly old school players had with fates was the story and that isnt really on corrin its more on how they choose to write this story out. Gameplaywise fates was very good unit balance was great.
As a side note, Fates is only listed as outselling Awakening because the combined sales of all three paths are counted...which is really dumb in the case of Revelation as you literally can't own it unless you already own one of the other paths, since it's a DLC campaign. Fates still sold extremely well, but it's an important thing to make note of.
 

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Personally, I subscribe to what I call "Smashboard Thread Theory" which suggests that the last two characters are Geno and Shantae.
 

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As a side note, Fates is only listed as outselling Awakening because the combined sales of all three paths are counted...which is really dumb in the case of Revelation as you literally can't own it unless you already own one of the other paths, since it's a DLC campaign. Fates still sold extremely well, but it's an important thing to make note of.
do they do the same thing with pokemon
 
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