Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[Rie Sonomura]

Wait what?

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This is legit the first time I’m hearing of this rumor. Can anyone find the original source???

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Wait what?

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This is legit the first time I’m hearing of this rumor. Can anyone find the original source???

I've never heard of it as a concrete rumor just a "oh come on, it's perfect!" but I last heard it in reference to Geno. No idea what the significance is outside of 7 being lucky.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

I've never heard of it as a concrete rumor just a "oh come on, it's perfect!" but I last heard it in reference to Geno. No idea what the significance is outside of 7 being lucky.

It’s on a Tuesday, so at the very least it is possible

 

[MooMew64]

Geno relies heavily upon one thing getting him in the game: fan demand.

He's irrelevant to the gaming industry overall, is a one-time party member from a generations old Mario game (which has been re-released a few times over), and does not serve as an interest when pairing it with some sort of marketing initiative.

I'm not even trying to be negative, as I myself have always thought the character was cool. Those are simply the realities the character faces.

He has gameplay potential, but so does basically every candidate.

Geno almost entirely relies on Nintendo deciding they want him in Smash Ultimate as a playable character in, and not just bringing back or updating the Mii Costume. It's the most feasible path that gets him in the game while 2B for example, has a different path considering she's a modern gaming icon, which is in turn something that Geno doesn't have.

This right here is pretty much how I see the whole Geno situation. Yes, there is fan demand, but the key difference for Geno is that it's fan demand that wouldn't really benefit Nintendo or SE outside of the niche support groups on forums and social media.

Looking at it this way, they COULD add Geno, and please a small dedicated fanbase...or, they could add someone like 2B, Lora Croft, or heck, even Neku: All of which are characters that SE is still promoting and making money off of, with admittedly much, much wider reach than Geno.

That's the number #1 thing that keeps me from really predicting Geno...I just can't see the business sense in it. I personally can't really see Nintendo and SE specifically giving up the chance to get in potentially new players and excite current players with characters that have wider audiences to pull from and make a bigger splash.

 

[Megadoomer]

Wait what?

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This is legit the first time I’m hearing of this rumor. Can anyone find the original source???

It's more of a bunch of neat coincidences possibly lining up, between challenger pack 7 being the 77th unique fighter overall, and the fact that we still haven't gotten a Direct showing Nintendo's plans for the rest of 2020. Having a Direct on July 7th (7/7) revealing fighter 77 would be a nice coincidence, but given that we just had a Smash presentation and multiple Pokemon presentations, I have my doubts.

I'd chalk it up more to wishful thinking than to any kind of rumour.

 

[MooMew64]

NGL I'd really keep expectations for a Direct or fighter reveal in July low. Odds are, given from what little we've heard about Nintendo and just looking at how they're handling things right now, I really, really wouldn't expect anything until August at the earliest. I am pretty confident July is gonna be all about Paper Mario, and we won't hear much until that's out of the way.

 

[zeldasmash]

Wait what?

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This is legit the first time I’m hearing of this rumor. Can anyone find the original source???

After the coincidences with Dante...I won't believe anything until they reveal who the fighter is.

 

[Faso115]

You know what's the big difference between K. Rool and Geno? The one that allowed one to get in and the other not?

It's because the former is owned by Nintendo. The reason why he's been "irrelevant" it's because Nintendo for some reason doesn't want to use him, that's about it really.

I never do statements like these but i would be 100% sure that if Rare owned the copyright for K. Rool and they had to ask microsoft for his inclusion, he wouldn't have made it in.

That's why i think Geno hasn't made his playable debut yet. The hurdles you have to jump just to use a fairly minor character is honestly not worth the hussle.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

What was Nintendo’s wording when phasing out directs? Was it along the lines of “until further notice”?

 

[Speed Weed]

This right here is pretty much how I see the whole Geno situation. Yes, there is fan demand, but the key difference for Geno is that it's fan demand that wouldn't really benefit Nintendo or SE outside of the niche support groups on forums and social media.

Looking at it this way, they COULD add Geno, and please a small dedicated fanbase...or, they could add someone like 2B, Lora Croft, or heck, even Neku: All of which are characters that SE is still promoting and making money off of, with admittedly much, much wider reach than Geno.

That's the number #1 thing that keeps me from really predicting Geno...I just can't see the business sense in it. I personally can't really see Nintendo and SE specifically giving up the chance to get in potentially new players and excite current players with characters that have wider audiences to pull from and make a bigger splash.

i understand what you're getting at, but at the same time you could question the business sense of adding banjo

 

[MooMew64]

What was Nintendo’s wording when phasing out directs? Was it along the lines of “until further notice”?

They've said nothing official as far as I know, but multiple journalists (the same ones that leaked a Paper Mario was coming and that there's gonna be 3D Mario remasters) have said not to expect one anytime soon, and that this trend of Twitter shadow drops is gonna be around for a while.

 

[Flik]

Vegeta as well. So nice to get such a healthy amount of Dragon Ball representation.

And I almost forgot about Trunks, Android 17, Gohan, and Pan too.

Also Bulma (Palutena), Mr. Satan (Incineroar), Dodoria (Ganondorf) and Zamasu (Charizard).

 

[PacificFun]

Here is my 2nd Lara Croft Moveset concept. I'm not linking my first one because it's awful lmao.
https://youtu.be/Nw_jt5ASbSg

 

[Rie Sonomura]

i understand what you're getting at, but at the same time you could question the business sense of adding banjo

Thing is Banjo was a N64 icon, appearing in ads and the like. The E3 2006 Xbox presentation also teased something Banjo related and the crowd went nuts (even though the final product didn’t meet expectations). Geno imo doesn’t have that.

 

[Deleted member]

Yeah I'm a Geno fan and even I can admit while he's technically not impossible I don't see him as particularly likely at all. He's a niche character from a decades old Mario game and one that isn't relevant to today's gaming market. Would Nintendo and particularly SE go for him over more relevant characters like a Bravely character, Sora or... 2B.

I think not quite frankly, while he's a popular character within certain groups SE has characters that reach a wider range of people casuals and hardcore. If they wanted to go with a fan favorite Sora could fulfill that while appealing to casuals as well.

Popularity is really the only thing going for him and there's other characters that are popular and even more relevant. That said I wouldn't entirely rule him out yet cause Banjo also got in when Steve or Master Chief could've just as easily gotten in and also appealed to casuals instead of mostly hardcore and Nintendo was the one who chose him supposedly.

If they wanted to go with a fan favorite from SE it could be Geno and I think Sakurai would like to get Geno but the question is if Nintendo/SE would go for him and quite frankly I don't think so. People joke but I doubt SE even remembers who Geno is and even if they did they still don't give a crap about him and would choose a handful of characters before him.

He has like a one in a million chance but we'll see. I wouldn't rule him out but I definitely think he's at the very least unlikely.

 

[Faso115]

Banjo i feel is the one thing that makes me believe the "has to be on a nintendo console before becoming playable" is still a viable rule.

I don't really know the behind the scenes about how Microsoft and Rare agreed to let Banjo in but considering he is the only character that has been on a nintendo console in the past made it easy for Sakurai to choose him. That and the request.

CriesInConker

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Banjo i feel is the one thing that makes me believe the "has to be on a nintendo console before becoming playable" is still a viable rule.

I don't really know the behind the scenes about how Microsoft and Rare agreed to let Banjo in but considering he is the only character that has been on a nintendo console in the past made it easy for Sakurai to choose him. That and the request.

CriesInConker

With this in mind, Joker WAS on a Nintendo console before. Namely, Persona Q 2 for 3DS. The very LAST 3DS title EVER, I might add

 

[SirBillyBob]

I am once again presenting my thoughts as memes:

If it wasn't for the fact that the SWSH spirit event happened, then I think everyone would agree that a Gen 8 Pokemon would be the closet thing to a "lock." But we know that's not the case. However, given the nature of Pokemon, and the fact that Min Min's Spirit board reuses base game spirits, I would honestly give Pokemon a 50/50 chance of appearing in FP2.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Wait what?

This is legit the first time I’m hearing of this rumor. Can anyone find the original source???

Has unrelated Smash/Nintendo events ever revealed an fighter?

 

[SpectreJordan]

We've already seen similar situations where that wound up not being the case. If someone was looking at Microsoft with that mindset, then it would be assumed that Banjo and Kazooie would never be added because they're quite obscure compared to juggernaut franchises like Halo or Minecraft, and Microsoft hasn't used them in well over a decade aside from the occasional re-release. Regardless, as of now, the only Microsoft content in Smash Bros. is from Banjo-Kazooie, and that's largely due to consistent fan demand.

The fan-demand definitely played a huuuge role in it, but I think Microsoft had other motivations for picking Banjo over Steve & Chief.

I think Microsoft’s been testing the waters to see if Banjo should return. They’ve slowly been including him in their marketing over the years. He was pretty prominent in the marketing for the Xbone’s backwards compatibility & GamePass (even being on PopTart boxes alongside Chief & Ori). I think Smash was another way for them to see if it’d be worth investing in that series.

They did something similar with Battletoads. Xbox employees hinted at Battletoads for a couple years. Then the Toads appeared in Shovel Knight & Killer Instinct. Now we’re getting a new game.

I could be wrong, but MS’s usage of Banjo recently is suspicious. This also aligns with how Joker, Hero & even Terry got in Smash to promote upcoming games. As well as Byleth & Min-Min, but they’re first party.

If Geno gets in, he’d be the first third party character to get in solely because of fan demand. It could happen, Ultimate’s the game of dreams after all. But I think it’s an uphill battle for him.

 

[Cosmic77]

And now there's

Female Byleth is crying with envy.

 

[SpectreJordan]

Wait what?

There was a problem fetching the tweet

This is legit the first time I’m hearing of this rumor. Can anyone find the original source???

Master Chief could fit here too. The number 7 was a recurring theme in the Bungie Halo games. Halo 3 & Reach even had special events every July 7th.

 

[AceAttorney9000]

People keep saying Geno isn't comparable to King K. Rool and Banjo, and while it's true all three characters are/were in different situations, there's one thing they do share in common: longevity.

All three are characters that fans have been asking for since at least the days of Brawl, possibly even earlier since Melee. Ultimate made a notable effort to include both King K. Rool and Banjo (the latter being DLC that was chosen by Nintendo, so it's not an issue of whether or not such characters should be base game, nor is Nintendo being the ones choosing the DLC), so why stop now when there's still only one long-awaited fan favorite that's been requested for literally years at this point?

You know what's the big difference between K. Rool and Geno? The one that allowed one to get in and the other not?

It's because the former is owned by Nintendo. The reason why he's been "irrelevant" it's because Nintendo for some reason doesn't want to use him, that's about it really.

I never do statements like these but i would be 100% sure that if Rare owned the copyright for K. Rool and they had to ask microsoft for his inclusion, he wouldn't have made it in.

That's why i think Geno hasn't made his playable debut yet. The hurdles you have to jump just to use a fairly minor character is honestly not worth the hussle.

This would make sense... if it weren't the for the facts that...

1. Geno made it into Smash 4 as a Mii Fighter costume and Ultimate's base game as a Spirit, so Nintendo is ultimately fine with using him in some form.
2. Not only that, but Super Mario RPG as a whole has been rereleased three times by Nintendo by now. That requires getting permission from Square Enix, so if Nintendo really didn't want to use anything from Super Mario RPG, why would they go to the trouble at all?
3. Banjo was in a similar situation of being owned by a third-party. Yes, there's differences, but if Nintendo didn't want to use Geno simply because Square Enix owns him, why would they bother getting a similar character owned by Microsoft?

 

[Faso115]

Guess i do this tired joke again

Broke: July 7th Neku is revealed

Joke: July 7th Master Chief is revealed

Woke: July 7th Grand Dad is revealed

 

[Cosmic77]

Does anyone remember the last time Smash purposely revealed a fighter to coincide with a holiday, anniversary, or literally any meaningful date?

I'm almost positive that the next character will be announced in some kind of general Nintendo Direct or presentation, and they're not gonna base a Direct's date on a single DLC character. I guess you could say a Smash Direct is possible, but July 7th is barely a week after Min Min.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Does anyone remember the last time Smash purposely revealed a fighter to coincide with a holiday, anniversary, or literally any meaningful date?

I'm almost positive that the next character will be announced in some kind of general Nintendo Direct or presentation, and they're not gonna base a Direct's date on a single DLC character. I guess you could say a Smash Direct is possible, but July 7th is barely a week after Min Min.

>barely a week after Min Min

Tbf the character could release much later like when they revealed Hero and Banjo at last year’s E3

 

[Mushroomguy12]

And now there's

Female Byleth is crying with envy.

Uh.... it it just my browser or is nothing showing up there. On mouseover it says it's a Min Min icon, but the actual icon itself is invisible. Doesn't show up on my phone either, just an empty black space.

 

[Inawordyes]

The one thing that is of some credit to Geno's chances is the fact that Sakurai has gone on record stating that he very much so wanted to add Geno to Brawl but it didn't work out. Fast forward to SM4SH, and Geno is understandably missing while Square's biggest character in Cloud gets in. But Geno makes the unprecendented jump to a Mii Costume, and is the only Mii Costume in both SM4SH and Ultimate to get it's own splash screen. Geno then makes the jump into Ultimate with a spirit, and despite all the returning costumes slowly making reappearances with the DLC and being in a perfect position to come with Hero but so far being nowhere to be found for 6 DLC costume waves now.

Whether you like Geno or think he's likely, Sakurai has shown himself to be a big fan of the character and, again, has tried to add him to Smash in the past, which sets him apart from characters like Ridley, Villager and Chrom, all of whom he had negative things to say about in the past regarding their chances. There is none of that for Geno, so even if the coincidences surrounding the notable absence of his mii costume aren't indicative enough that something is up, I at least hope people understand why the people that support Geno in Smash have hope for his chances in FP2.

And I say all this as someone who has never played SMRPG and doesn't have the same emotional connection to the character as others do. I just like Geno's design and the possibilities for his moveset and can see the potential for what he could be.

But the irrelevancy argument for Geno means little when fan demand for Ridley, K. Tool and Banjo got all of them into Ultimate. If Geno gets into Smash, it’ll be because of the Sakurai’s desire for him, boosted by the same long-standing fan demand Geno has had in the Smash community. If he wants it to happen, he’ll make it happen, and if it doesn’t, then that’s that.

 

[Guynamednelson]

Uh.... it it just my browser or is nothing showing up there. On mouseover it says it's a Min Min icon, but the actual icon itself is invisible. Doesn't show up on my phone either, just an empty black space.

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Clear your cache.

 

[AceAttorney9000]

>barely a week after Min Min

Tbf the character could release much later like when they revealed Hero and Banjo at last year’s E3

Yeah, it's entirely possible that we get a reveal trailer (which may or may not show gameplay) in July, while the actual presentation and release is saved for a later date. When I said I'm expecting a reveal sometime before September, that's what I specifically meant.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

Does anyone remember the last time Smash purposely revealed a fighter to coincide with a holiday, anniversary, or literally any meaningful date?

I'm almost positive that the next character will be announced in some kind of general Nintendo Direct or presentation, and they're not gonna base a Direct's date on a single DLC character. I guess you could say a Smash Direct is possible, but July 7th is barely a week after Min Min.

Well Smash 4 revealed returning fighters along with 3DS and WiiU news but the only newcomer that tied into anything was Little Mac on his anniversary.

 

[Schnee117]

Guess i do this tired joke again

Broke: July 7th Neku is revealed

Joke: July 7th Master Chief is revealed

Woke: July 7th Grand Dad is revealed
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Ascended: July 7th The actual number 7 itself is revealed

 

[Mushroomguy12]

Clear your cache.

Thanks, showing up for me now.

Lol, and I was so confused by this post earlier.

Fans: Can we get Chun-Li in Smash?
Sakurai: We already have Chun-Li in Smash.
Chun-Li in Smash:

Because all I saw was this.

 

[Speed Weed]

Ascended: July 7th The actual number 7 itself is revealed

holy **** yes i have wanted 7 since melee

 

[Evil Trapezium]

Banjo i feel is the one thing that makes me believe the "has to be on a nintendo console before becoming playable" is still a viable rule.

I don't really know the behind the scenes about how Microsoft and Rare agreed to let Banjo in but considering he is the only character that has been on a nintendo console in the past made it easy for Sakurai to choose him. That and the request.

CriesInConker

Banjo & Kazooie's inclusion is mostly if not everything to do with Phil Spencer being vocal about it. He has said multiple times that he would like to see them in Smash Bros and even refuted statements that it was only because fans wanted him to say it.

I think if Don Mattrick was still the head of Microsoft, we'd probably never see Banjo & Kazooie in Smash Bros because he wouldn't care about it and Nintendo would never ask them.

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

Let's be honest, there's only one video game character that would deserve a reveal on 7/7:

 

[cj.]

I want a fully evolved Grass starter, but I'm not really feeling Rillaboom. Smash already has a bigass gorilla.

Serperior!

 

[CannonStreak]

If we are still talking about Geno, I must say something...

Has there ever been evidence and/or proof that Sakurai wanted him in or any official word from that he wanted Geno in back in the Brawl days? The other day, I looked things up and there was a lack of evidence on that matter. I might have not searched well enough, but still, all I could find were rumors. Plus, Sakurai may have wanted to add him in Smash 4, but keep in mind that Brawl and Smash 4 were in the past, so either way, Sakurai's interest for Geno may have dwindled, even if by a little, since then, and he may not have the same amount of interest as he did back then, such as when he did not include Geno as a fighter in Smash Bros. Ultimate, but as a spirit, and that he included Hero from Dragon Quest over Geno. Granted, Hero from Dragon Quest may have had to get in first, but you should know what I mean.

 

[Aetheri]

Uh.... it it just my browser or is nothing showing up there. On mouseover it says it's a Min Min icon, but the actual icon itself is invisible. Doesn't show up on my phone either, just an empty black space.

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[WeirdChillFever]

Geno for all intents and purposes is a silly character that defies all logic of speculation, with no relevance, no staying power, just a silly design and an even siller premise for a moveset but the fact that it has a fanbase behind it since Brawl for basically exclusively Smash that Sakurai has acknowledged multiple times is a testament that no matter how silly the reason, this character is a player on the field. I think it‘s neat, to have a character with so little presence be so supported and have it reach for the stars.