Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[Will]

That's not how you spell Dimitri.

That's because Dimitri is spelled out on his tombstone.

 

[SharkLord]

They would absolutely not pick one house leader over another. The discourse surrounding 3H is toxic enough without Smash vindicating someone's preferred lord.

Agreed. If we choose one over the other, it defeats the point of multiple paths and makes even more people angry. The Smash fandom's unadulterated wrath was enough of a killjoy, the Fire Emblem fandom being mad as well would be even worse.
ESPECIALLY if it's Edelgard. Never did I expect a Nintendo character to be unironically called a fascist... Brr...

 

[Will]

Never did I expect a Nintendo character to be unironically called a fascist... Brr...

Bro now you really out here trying to start FE Fandom wars with that line

 

[pupNapoleon]

I'm....so...happy....

 

[SirBillyBob]

Is the whole Three houses war as bad as Fates' localization/writing war?

 

[Vintage Creep]

Really happy for Min Min, she was my choice even if I understand Twintelle's fans' disappointment. I don't understand the anger though. Min Min was clearly the right choice, she is the most popular character of that game.

I wonder who's next. Of course Vault Boy's costume is a VERY interesting addition, like Altair was. I wonder how those deals went for big companies to have a small reference instead than a much more fleshed out one, it's weird.

Weirdest thing is Heihachi's comeback as a costume though. His cut from Smash 4 honestly looked really weird since Bandai Namco is literally producing this game, like maybe he was going to be upgraded to full character. Then it didn't happen and OK, but now he just comes back? So weird. Maybe they did wanted to put him in but found him redundant with Ryu, Ken and Terry having (on the surface) similar character traits, and they went with another Tekken rep, so they just put back the costume since they had it laying it there?

 

[SirBillyBob]

Really happy for Min Min, she was my choice even if I understand Twintelle's fans' disappointment. I don't understand the anger though. Min Min was clearly the right choice, she is the most popular character of that game.

I wonder who's next. Of course Vault Boy's costume is a VERY interesting addition, like Altair was. I wonder how those deals went for big companies to have a small reference instead than a much more fleshed out one, it's weird.

Weirdest thing is Heihachi's comeback as a costume though. His cut from Smash 4 honestly looked really weird since Bandai Namco is literally producing this game, like maybe he was going to be upgraded to full character. Then it didn't happen and OK, but now he just comes back? So weird. Maybe they did wanted to put him in but found him redundant with Ryu, Ken and Terry having (on the surface) similar character traits, and they went with another Tekken rep, so they just put back the costume since they had it laying it there?

I think they just couldn't make a moveset work, so they put the costume back in to throw a bone to Tekken fans.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Neku would work. However The Glitch itself deals with Ness's Eyes, which isn't really shared by Neku, but The eyes itself could be a signal of just a overall use of Ness's model or Abilities

For the Glitch itself, my main Culpret was Professor Layton because he has Similiar, if not the exact same type of eyes Ness has, and he also has an Hat like Ness

Professor Layton huh? I'd prefer Wright but I'd be fine with Layton too.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Really happy for Min Min, she was my choice even if I understand Twintelle's fans' disappointment. I don't understand the anger though. Min Min was clearly the right choice, she is the most popular character of that game.

I wonder who's next. Of course Vault Boy's costume is a VERY interesting addition, like Altair was. I wonder how those deals went for big companies to have a small reference instead than a much more fleshed out one, it's weird.

Weirdest thing is Heihachi's comeback as a costume though. His cut from Smash 4 honestly looked really weird since Bandai Namco is literally producing this game, like maybe he was going to be upgraded to full character. Then it didn't happen and OK, but now he just comes back? So weird. Maybe they did wanted to put him in but found him redundant with Ryu, Ken and Terry having (on the surface) similar character traits, and they went with another Tekken rep, so they just put back the costume since they had it laying it there?

He wasn't really cut from Smash 4. He was considered and Sakurai couldn't find a way to implement the Tekken mechanics well into Smash.

That seems to still be the case here. But who knows. Maybe he simply wasn't brought up by Nintendo as a possible character. I doubt it's any overlap with Ryu/Ken/Terry, who don't have a limb-based mechanic.

 

[Deleted member]

Weirdest thing is Heihachi's comeback as a costume though. His cut from Smash 4 honestly looked really weird since Bandai Namco is literally producing this game, like maybe he was going to be upgraded to full character.

Sometimes the simplest explanation is the correct one: Perhaps Sakurai &/or the higher-ups simply didn't care about adding him in.

 

[pupNapoleon]

Really happy for Min Min, she was my choice even if I understand Twintelle's fans' disappointment. I don't understand the anger though. Min Min was clearly the right choice, she is the most popular character of that game.

I wonder who's next. Of course Vault Boy's costume is a VERY interesting addition, like Altair was. I wonder how those deals went for big companies to have a small reference instead than a much more fleshed out one, it's weird.

Weirdest thing is Heihachi's comeback as a costume though. His cut from Smash 4 honestly looked really weird since Bandai Namco is literally producing this game, like maybe he was going to be upgraded to full character. Then it didn't happen and OK, but now he just comes back? So weird. Maybe they did wanted to put him in but found him redundant with Ryu, Ken and Terry having (on the surface) similar character traits, and they went with another Tekken rep, so they just put back the costume since they had it laying it there?

I was really considering the idea earlier that it would be Jin or Kazuya- but that seems even more redundant.
Or that maybe the costume is back AND the character will come into the picture.
But it's difficult to wrap the brain about how a character could be in that isnt Mishima line.
And the two above are even more like the Ryu and Terry characters.

 

[Opossum]

Agreed. If we choose one over the other, it defeats the point of multiple paths and makes even more people angry. The Smash fandom's unadulterated wrath was enough of a killjoy, the Fire Emblem fandom being mad as well would be even worse.
ESPECIALLY if it's Edelgard. Never did I expect a Nintendo character to be unironically called a fascist... Brr...

Man don't even get me started on how annoying that is lmao. Especially when her ideology is in literal direct opposition to fascism...

 

[Vintage Creep]

I think they just couldn't make a moveset work, so they put the costume back in to throw a bone to Tekken fans.

I find it very hard to believe that Sakurai can't come up with a working moveset for a character from a fighting game but has no problem working one out for characters like Pac-Man, Villager, or recently, even Min Min.

He wasn't really cut from Smash 4. He was considered and Sakurai couldn't find a way to implement the Tekken mechanics well into Smash.

That seems to still be the case here. But who knows. Maybe he simply wasn't brought up by Nintendo as a possible character. I doubt it's any overlap with Ryu/Ken/Terry, who don't have a limb-based mechanic.

Of course all 4 characters fight very differently even if they look similar. Even Ken is very different from Ryu despite being a clone. The thing is that, visually, Heihachi really does has similarities to Ryu and Ken. Hell, some people complained about Terry being basically Ken but dressed up. I don't think that's a thing we should underestimate, surely Min Min's inclusion was helped by the fact Spring Man, even if with a very interesting gimmick, does look kinda basic.

Again, I truly refuse to believe the reason is that Sakurai can't make him work in Smash. They even were able to do it in Playstation All-Stars...

 

[Vintage Creep]

I was really considering the idea earlier that it would be Jin or Kazuya- but that seems even more redundant.
Or that maybe the costume is back AND the character will come into the picture.
But it's difficult to wrap the brain about how a character could be in that isnt Mishima line.
And the two above are even more like the Ryu and Terry characters.

I still root for Yoshimitsu repping both Tekken and Soul Calibur. His moveset would be absolutely perfect for Smash

 

[metalhydra273]

Tbh I'm kinda sad we're not getting heihachi, especially considering how he was close to getting into smash 4 over ryu. I feel like Namco deserves a new rep and if they were getting one I'd be surprised if they didn't wait to release the heihachi costume then. A shame but I guess it's not crazy either.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

I don't understand the anger though. Min Min was clearly the right choice, she is the most popular character of that game.

Probably because people wanted the assist trophy rule to finally be broken.

 

[SirBillyBob]

All the more reason to add Klonoa to Smash, amirite?

 

[Vintage Creep]

To be fair, Sakurai is stressing a lot that he wants DLC character to have unique traits and mechanics, and with Terry already in, Heihachi would LOOK redundant. Of course, deep down, he could play completely different but it's also a marketing choice, and having two classic fighting game characters would be a little too much.

Probably because people wanted the assist trophy rule to finally be broken.

I mean I don't think that's the reason, they probably really wanted a black rep which is totally understandable. Still, it would be just unfair to Min Min since she is clearly the most popular character and quite possibly, since now, the de facto "Scorpion" of ARMS.

 

[pupNapoleon]

Probably because people wanted the assist trophy rule to finally be broken.

The general consensus just kept forcing the idea that Spring Man was a protagonist.

Which he is not.

Still, it would be just unfair to Min Min since she is clearly the most popular character and quite possibly, since now, the de facto "Scorpion" of ARMS.

Where were you when I needed backup on that!?

 

[cosmicB]

Is the whole Three houses war as bad as Fates' localization/writing war?

That was more of a quality issue. 3H actually does what it sets out to do in making people legitimately side with different factions and compare it to IRL ideologies. This leads to some people taking it a bit too seriously and then projecting that back onto whoever it is they're talking to.

Like I've legit been called a homophobe after writing a whole ton of paragraphs why Edelgard is wrong, and I NEVER mentioned her sexuality at any point in my criticism.

It certainly doesn't help that a lot of discussion points people come up with are either headcanon or dwelling on individual lines here and there. And of course there's the fact only one route really feels finished while the others seem rushed.

Man don't even get me started on how annoying that is lmao. Especially when her ideology is in literal direct opposition to fascism...

She's still a racist though :D

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Sounds about right.
There was also a Bayonetta glitch but that could mean anything really.

That was probably Minmin.

The general consensus just kept forcing the idea that Spring Man was a protagonist.

Which he is not.


Where were you when I needed backup on that!?

I mean people wanting an assist trophy rule to be broken so Waluigi, Ashley, Shadow and such could have an chance.

 

[Opossum]

She's still a racist though :D

I mean she's literally not.

 

[Vintage Creep]

The general consensus just kept forcing the idea that Spring Man was a protagonist.

Which he is not.


Where were you when I needed backup on that!?

I would've been perfectly fine with either Min Min or Twintelle. Hell, even Helix, or Dr. Coyle.
I just didn't want Spring Man or Ribbon Girl to be honest lol.
Not that I would complain about ANY newcomer as of right now. I mean this game has literally more than 80 playable icons. After Banjo, they could end the pass with a playable Goomba and I would be perfectly OK with that.

 

[SirBillyBob]

You know, there is the fact that some people wanted him because he's a cool character.

 

[Will]

She's still a racist though :D

The **** you talking about? I don't like Edelgard and even then I can sense the cap in this point.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

She's still a racist though :D

You know who isnt racist? Claude. You know who the best character is? Claude
You know who has the best VA? Claude
You know-

 

[Perkilator]

All the more reason to add Klonoa to Smash, amirite?

Nah, Dig Dug's way more of a chad.

 

[KingofPhantoms]

Min Min wasn't even in my top five picks for the ARMS newcomer. I'm still not upset about her inclusion. She's pretty great.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Of course all 4 characters fight very differently even if they look similar. Even Ken is very different from Ryu despite being a clone. The thing is that, visually, Heihachi really does has similarities to Ryu and Ken. Hell, some people complained about Terry being basically Ken but dressed up. I don't think that's a thing we should underestimate, surely Min Min's inclusion was helped by the fact Spring Man, even if with a very interesting gimmick, does look kinda basic.

Again, I truly refuse to believe the reason is that Sakurai can't make him work in Smash. They even were able to do it in Playstation All-Stars...

Except "he can't be made to work in Smash" is still the reason overall for 4. Not in the way he wants to. This does not apply for Smash Ultimate in itself, but it could be part of why.

PSASBR doesn't use any Tekken-like mechanics. It just pastes a quick moveset for him that looks right. It's not transferring over the mechanics in the same way others do. Keep in mind the Tekken mechanics are one limb per button, and there's not enough buttons in Smash. That means he has to heavily change the button layout to make it feel like Tekken, but also has to make sure it's not massively complicated. Min Min already has a lot of complications to her character(which explains the delay), but she's not massively crazy. It's not extremely difficult input commands or more than 2 attack buttons. That's why it's workable.

Ken and Ryu are actually still extremely similar. They have somewhat different attacks, but it's not as much as other clones like Toon Link VS Young Link VS Link either. His biggest difference is he has a different set of input commands. He's borderline a regular clone instead of an Echo at this point. Though Dr. Mario is still overall more unique, but not by that much. There's specific attributes that stay the same, things like Weight. But that's due to Echoes not supposed to be having different Attributes apparently.

 

[SharkLord]

I find it very hard to believe that Sakurai can't come up with a working moveset for a character from a fighting game but has no problem working one out for characters like Pac-Man, Villager, or recently, even Min Min.



Of course all 4 characters fight very differently even if they look similar. Even Ken is very different from Ryu despite being a clone. The thing is that, visually, Heihachi really does has similarities to Ryu and Ken. Hell, some people complained about Terry being basically Ken but dressed up. I don't think that's a thing we should underestimate, surely Min Min's inclusion was helped by the fact Spring Man, even if with a very interesting gimmick, does look kinda basic.

Again, I truly refuse to believe the reason is that Sakurai can't make him work in Smash. They even were able to do it in Playstation All-Stars...

Keep in mind, this was around base game SSB4, before we got Ryu, Terry, and Min Min breaking the rules more and more. This was also the same timeframe where he said Ridley was too big, and look where we are now. If anything, it's probably because of a different Bandai-Namco rep.

All the more reason to add Klonoa to Smash, amirite?

Oh, I wish. Even a remake would satisfy me. Every time I look at Klonoa gameplays, it gives me a sense of nostalgia, and I never knew such a game even existed until a year or two ago. It's unlikely as all heck, but a man can dream.

You know who isnt racist? Claude. You know who the best character is? Claude
You know who has the best VA? Claude
You know-

Claude is best boy by default on the basis that he doesn't go flying off the deep end without your help.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Wait a minute...

Hold up guys... Something potentially big here...

Look at the site...

https://www.smashbros.com/en_US/fighter/70.html
https://www.smashbros.com/en_US/fighter/72.html
https://www.smashbros.com/en_US/fighter/74.html
https://www.smashbros.com/en_US/fighter/75.html
https://www.smashbros.com/en_US/fighter/76.html

If you look at the character pages, they now have links to their origin games. They catch? Only DLC characters seem to have them, and only characters with games you can buy on the Switch, right now have a link.

Basically Min Min have one.

do not.

What could this mean?

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Wait a minute...

Hold up guys... Something potentially big here...

Look at the site...

https://www.smashbros.com/en_US/fighter/70.html
https://www.smashbros.com/en_US/fighter/72.html
https://www.smashbros.com/en_US/fighter/74.html
https://www.smashbros.com/en_US/fighter/75.html
https://www.smashbros.com/en_US/fighter/76.html

If you look at the character pages, they now have links to their origin games. They catch? Only DLC characters seem to have them, and only characters with games you can buy on the Switch, right now have a link.

Basically Min Min have one.

do not.

What could this mean?

P5R Switch and Banjo Kazooie collection inbound? i hope

 

[SirBillyBob]

Kinda wish Horror games were more widely popular, as besides RE there isn't many that could be considered serious contenders for Smash. Shame, would love to see the likes of Isaac or Sebastian get in.

 

[SharkLord]

Wait a minute...

Hold up guys... Something potentially big here...

Look at the site...

https://www.smashbros.com/en_US/fighter/70.html
https://www.smashbros.com/en_US/fighter/72.html
https://www.smashbros.com/en_US/fighter/74.html
https://www.smashbros.com/en_US/fighter/75.html
https://www.smashbros.com/en_US/fighter/76.html

If you look at the character pages, they now have links to their origin games. They catch? Only DLC characters seem to have them, and only characters with games you can buy on the Switch, right now have a link.

Basically Min Min have one.

do not.

What could this mean?

Maybe Nintendo and friends just want to make some extra money where they can.

 

[PLATINUM7]

Wait a minute...

Hold up guys... Something potentially big here...

Look at the site...

https://www.smashbros.com/en_US/fighter/70.html
https://www.smashbros.com/en_US/fighter/72.html
https://www.smashbros.com/en_US/fighter/74.html
https://www.smashbros.com/en_US/fighter/75.html
https://www.smashbros.com/en_US/fighter/76.html

If you look at the character pages, they now have links to their origin games. They catch? Only DLC characters seem to have them, and only characters with games you can buy on the Switch, right now have a link.

Basically Min Min have one.

do not.

What could this mean?

That DLC characters will advertise Switch games when possible.

 

[PK-remling Fire]

Wait a minute...

Hold up guys... Something potentially big here...

Look at the site...

https://www.smashbros.com/en_US/fighter/70.html
https://www.smashbros.com/en_US/fighter/72.html
https://www.smashbros.com/en_US/fighter/74.html
https://www.smashbros.com/en_US/fighter/75.html
https://www.smashbros.com/en_US/fighter/76.html

If you look at the character pages, they now have links to their origin games. They catch? Only DLC characters seem to have them, and only characters with games you can buy on the Switch, right now have a link.

Basically Min Min have one.

do not.

What could this mean?

It's probably just because Nintendo wants to advertise the DLC fighters' games and Joker And Banjo's origin games aren't available on the switch

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Maybe Nintendo and friends just want to make some extra money where they can.

Exactly.

It reminds me of the pages that Smash 4 had.

https://www.smashbros.com/wiiu-3ds/us/characters/little_mac.html

Could this mean that promotion is a bigger impact this pass?

 

[N3ON]

Wait a minute...

Hold up guys... Something potentially big here...

Look at the site...

https://www.smashbros.com/en_US/fighter/70.html
https://www.smashbros.com/en_US/fighter/72.html
https://www.smashbros.com/en_US/fighter/74.html
https://www.smashbros.com/en_US/fighter/75.html
https://www.smashbros.com/en_US/fighter/76.html

If you look at the character pages, they now have links to their origin games. They catch? Only DLC characters seem to have them, and only characters with games you can buy on the Switch, right now have a link.

Basically Min Min have one.

do not.

What could this mean?

It means they were all shill characters after all.

 

[SirBillyBob]

Wait a minute...

Hold up guys... Something potentially big here...

Look at the site...

https://www.smashbros.com/en_US/fighter/70.html
https://www.smashbros.com/en_US/fighter/72.html
https://www.smashbros.com/en_US/fighter/74.html
https://www.smashbros.com/en_US/fighter/75.html
https://www.smashbros.com/en_US/fighter/76.html

If you look at the character pages, they now have links to their origin games. They catch? Only DLC characters seem to have them, and only characters with games you can buy on the Switch, right now have a link.

Basically Min Min have one.

do not.

What could this mean?

Joker and Banjo don't have their games on the Switch, so they have nothing to show. They're not just gonna link to Playstation's or Xbox's sites.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Wait a minute...

Hold up guys... Something potentially big here...

Look at the site...

https://www.smashbros.com/en_US/fighter/70.html
https://www.smashbros.com/en_US/fighter/72.html
https://www.smashbros.com/en_US/fighter/74.html
https://www.smashbros.com/en_US/fighter/75.html
https://www.smashbros.com/en_US/fighter/76.html

If you look at the character pages, they now have links to their origin games. They catch? Only DLC characters seem to have them, and only characters with games you can buy on the Switch, right now have a link.

Basically Min Min have one.

do not.

What could this mean?

I think it's literally that. They only link to games buyable on a Nintendo system right now. Nothing special beyond that. Since DLC is buyable right now as are the characters for purchase, it's easy advertising. It makes sense they don't advertise other systems on their own website.

It'd be cool if we got P5S and Rare Replay, etc., though.