Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[RileyXY1]

Didn't color theory failed us in the past already?

Yes. Yes it did, and so did the Mii Costume Theory.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Wait, it's 35 minutes? There isn't much history to go over so this character must either have a lot of unique attacks, or there's something else that's interesting.

There’s also Min Min (green with the two orange swirls)

Look closer. It's ever so slightly different from the other three.

 

[Guynamednelson]

Didn't color theory failed us in the past already?

It's not a color theory as much as it is a background pattern theory.

 

[RileyXY1]

Wait, it's 35 minutes? There isn't much history to go over so this character must either have a lot of unique attacks, or there's something else that's interesting.


Look closer. It's ever so slightly different from the other three.

It's possible that we could get a Hero situation and have multiple ARMS characters in a single slot.

 

[Wunderwaft]

Didn't color theory failed us in the past already?

This doesn't relate to the colors of the background. It relates to the design of those weird swishy swooshy things in the background. Checking the background design of all the ARMS characters reveals that only three characters match the same design that is in the announcement.

 

[Goombaic]

So someone analyzed the background of the announcement tweet and if it's a legit hint then this means the ARMS character is either Spring Man, Max Brass, or Springtron.

Is it really gonna come down to this of all things? At least the fingers thing wasn't directly saying "THREE" Houses.

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

Wait, it's 35 minutes? There isn't much history to go over.

Have you read up on the ARMS lore? it's insane

 

[Swamp Sensei]

So someone analyzed the background of the announcement tweet and if it's a legit hint then this means the ARMS character is either Spring Man, Max Brass, or Springtron.

It might be because those are the only three that match.

 

[CosmicQuark]

Didn't color theory failed us in the past already?

But color theory got reinvigorated by the related Sakurai Hints theory ever since the 3 fingers for Byleth’s presentation deconfirmed Sakurai Doesn’t Hint Theory.

/s

 

[slrigeigdew]

I'm getting grinch leak flashbacks because all the rumors and speculation sound much more interesting than what I think we're actually getting.

 

[-crump-]

I'm glad that they're finally going to reveal the ARMS fighter, but I can't say I'm excited to jump back into total uncertainty for who knows how long. The post-Terry pre-Byleth era of speculation was laaaame.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

It's possible that we could get a Hero situation and have multiple ARMS characters in a single slot.

I think it'll more likely have something to do with an ARMS switching mechanic. Maybe they'll be a Ribbon Girl alternate costume.

Have you read up on the ARMS lore? it's insane

I know a bit of stuff, but I don't think most of it would be relevant to the character unless they picked Dr. Coyle or to a lesser extent, Max Brass. Spring Man, Ribbon Girl, and Min Min aren't really connected to much.

 

[SuperSmashStephen]

Well, it’s nice to see we already have our tinfoil hats on about swooshy background tiles.

 

[Nanami77]

I saw the Twitter trends and legit thought that Min Min got revealed for a split second

 

[TheCJBrine]

Seems like Spring Man, he’s the face of the game so using that design makes sense for him, assuming they didn’t just use it as a nice detail thing.

Even then, it’s definitely Spring Man. please.

 

[True Blue Warrior]

I'm simply curious and not trying to be like, "ZOMG HOW COULD YOU", but what exactly makes you believe we're only getting 2 3rd parties?

As for why I wouldn’t be surprised at a more first-party focused pass, consider this reasoning.

Joker was the first character in the first pass and a lot of people came to the conclusion that pass would be third-party focused due to him setting the precedence and they were right. If there were loads of “hype” third-party Inclusions in this pass, why wouldn’t they reveal one of them as the first character especially since the roster for this pass was finalised long before the global pandemic, meaning any licensing would have been sorted out (and since no character has been confirmed to be delayed at the moment, things must be going smoothly).

The decision to go with ARMS as the first character was very deliberate and, due to lack of evidence to the contrary, was always meant to be first (remember that the order of character reveal is very important in organising the roster for this game). So it’s a reasonable conclusion that if ARMS is one of the big highlights of this pass, this character would also likely set the tone for this pass being very different from the last one.

And on a slightly different topic, to the people who honestly believe Nintendo couldn’t do a hype-bringing pass with a focus on first-party, you’d be completely wrong. Waluigi, Isaac, Skull Kid, Rex and Bandana Dee are all first-party characters that would hype a lot of people. The biggest issue pertains to cynical looks on these charscters chances or people with an obvious bias towards third-party characters not being able to wrap their heads around the concept that just because a character like Skull Kid isn’t as big of a deal as Ryu or Cloud, it doesn’t mean that the vast majority of fans wouldn’t be pumped up for him based off his own merits.

I have to agree. I imagine every third party character has outsold every first party character with the exception of Mewtwo in Smash 4.

I really doubt Bayonetta sold better than Roy or Lucas. Corrin I can see selling worse.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Well, it’s nice to see we already have our tinfoil hats on about swooshy background tiles.

"No! You can't just latch on to any thing that might be a hint!"

"Haha! Background go swoosh!"

 

[Scoliosis Jones]

I mean, not to say that that material is a direct hint, but it's not the same as color theory, and it's definitely not the same as the Grinch leak.

Color theory was using colors that were primarily for the website, which really has no bearing on Smash as a whole.

The Grinch leak was an elaborate fan-made print that was convincing. Nintendo had nothing to do with it.

Here, this is a legitimate marketing image and it specifically uses the backsplash of 3 characters. It could mean nothing, and I will note that. It just seems strange. If it does mean something, that's a lot more direct (no pun intended) than Sakurai's signing for Three Houses.

Could be something, could be nothing. Needs more context. That said, those 3 patterns match, and no other character does. Not even Min Min.

 

[SKX31]

Like they were ever gonna reveal more than one.


sigh


When all of your alternate selves pretty much have the same style except that one that's randomly both a girl and the flash.

(The Girl-Flash and the Girl-Colonel are from the same universe, by the by. And one of the Colonels is apparently a Kryptonian. Yeeaah, Colonel Corps is a ridicolous and fun comic.)

Seems like Spring Man, he’s the face of the game so using that design makes sense for him, assuming they didn’t just use it as a nice detail thing.

Even then, it’s definitely Spring Man. please.

I might not be too fussed about who it is, but I'm pulling for Brass / Coyle.

(Wouldn't mind Spring Man, just not that interested in him.)

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I can't believe we're already halfway through the year and we're only now finding out who one of the six characters are. I swear to god, Strive's going to be my main fighting game from this point, ArcSys does mystery bull**** DLC too but at least it's paced significantly better than this judging by Team Red's typical season pass stuff

 

[Nanami77]

I'm simply curious and not trying to be like, "ZOMG HOW COULD YOU", but what exactly makes you believe we're only getting 2 3rd parties?

I for one am expecting no more third parties for expectations sake.

A Spring Man reveal would all but confirm my suspicions.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

just what tweet are you all seeing this swishy swoosh swooshes because every tweet I see doesnt have them

 

[True Blue Warrior]

I feel like it might be Spring man, but also I think Spingman might have a chance, but there is also Springman

What about Man Spring?

 

[TheCJBrine]

just what tweet are you all seeing this swishy swoosh swooshes because every tweet I see doesnt have them

The background in the presentation announcement image has them. They’re different shades of yellow.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

The background in the presentation announcement image has them. They’re different shades of yellow.

Im looking at them but each tweet I see is just the big yellow swoosh

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Here, this is a legitimate marketing image and it specifically uses the backsplash of 3 characters. It could mean nothing, and I will note that. It just seems strange. If it does mean something, that's a lot more direct (no pun intended) than Sakurai's signing for Three Houses.

Could be something, could be nothing. Needs more context. That said, those 3 patterns match, and no other character does. Not even Min Min.

Yeah. They're either using the character's background, or Spring Man's Background for the sake of using Spring Man's background (or because it's the only background that isn't unique to a specific character therefore maintaining ambiguity).

EDIT: And there's no way to determine which one it is.

Im looking at them but each tweet I see is just the big yellow swoosh

It's difficult to see because it's yellow on yellow on yellow.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

So given the announcement of FP7 not being announced on Monday, when do you guys expect the character?

Gonna guess around August-September at the latest.

 

[Professor Pumpkaboo]

It's difficult to see because it's yellow on yellow on yellow.

oh ****, its the pattern, I get it, rip

 

[MooMew64]

Eeeeehhhhhh I've been being a bit down on SM because I really want Min Min, but TBH SM's been growing on me again and I'm more on board with him now if it's him.

...Still, it could've been Min Min.

 

[SuperSmashStephen]

I mean, not to say that that material is a direct hint, but it's not the same as color theory, and it's definitely not the same as the Grinch leak.

Color theory was using colors that were primarily for the website, which really has no bearing on Smash as a whole.

The Grinch leak was an elaborate fan-made print that was convincing. Nintendo had nothing to do with it.

Here, this is a legitimate marketing image and it specifically uses the backsplash of 3 characters. It could mean nothing, and I will note that. It just seems strange. If it does mean something, that's a lot more direct (no pun intended) that Sakurai's signing for Three Houses.

Could be something, could be nothing. Needs more context. That said, those 3 patterns match, and no other character does. Not even Min Min.

I just don’t see the point of highlighting those particular 3 patterns in regards to who the character will be. It’s seem pointless to preemptively be like “It’s definitely one of these 3, and no one else because those 3 patterns match.”

I feel so bad for Sakurai sometimes. The man has been in articles stating he is fearful of talking about video games because he is fearful that it’ll spark unnecessarily overwhelming speculation.

Poor guy could literally post a picture of himself in an empty room doing absolutely nothing but wearing a a suit and tie and people would be like “Hitman for Smash!?!”

I get we are starved for information, but Jesus Christ, the reachhhhhhhhhhh (no pun intended.)

 

[StarBot]

Are people really looking pixel by pixel on the background of a tweet?

Have you guys not learned from Byleth and the chairs?

 

[Mushroomguy12]

Jon from Gamexplain getting a start on his dad jokes.

There was a problem fetching the tweet

 

[Nanami77]

Friendly reminder that this ARMS character survived a pandemic and mass riots just to get a Smash invitation

 

[Heoj]

I dont think the background symbol thing means anything in terms of who it is, i think its just a coincidence and they just happened to go for that kind of background image

 

[Cosmic77]

I don't think the backsplash thing should be taken too seriously.

Yes, it could easily be one of those three characters, but I highly doubt it'll be all three, which makes me think it's just random backsplashes that weren't chosen for any particular reason. I doubt Max Brass could be an alt of either Spring Man or Springtron due to his body type, so if people want to take this seriously, they might as well explain why his backsplash is there too.

 

[slrigeigdew]

I mean, not to say that that material is a direct hint, but it's not the same as color theory, and it's definitely not the same as the Grinch leak.

Color theory was using colors that were primarily for the website, which really has no bearing on Smash as a whole.

The Grinch leak was an elaborate fan-made print that was convincing. Nintendo had nothing to do with it.

Here, this is a legitimate marketing image and it specifically uses the backsplash of 3 characters. It could mean nothing, and I will note that. It just seems strange. If it does mean something, that's a lot more direct (no pun intended) than Sakurai's signing for Three Houses.

Could be something, could be nothing. Needs more context. That said, those 3 patterns match, and no other character does. Not even Min Min.

I wasn't talking about the material I was talking about the actual discussion on who the ARMS character could be, I don't give a **** what color the background is lol

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Are people really looking pixel by pixel on the background of a tweet?

Have you guys not learned from Byleth and the chairs?

1. It's not pixel by pixel. The backgrounds are distinct enough to be determinable.
2. The backgrounds pertain to a few specific characters.
3. Everyone's taking it with a grain of salt.
4. It's not the same as trying to glean anything from what they decided to decorate the room with.

 

[LiveStudioAudience]

Fittingly enough, everyone making predictions will feel like clowns when Lola Pop is inexplicably revealed.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

I don't think the backsplash thing should be taken too seriously.

Yes, it could easily be one of those three characters, but I highly doubt it'll be all three, which makes me think it's just random backsplashes that weren't chosen for any particular reason. I doubt Max Brass could be an alt of either Spring Man or Springtron due to his body type, so if people want to take this seriously, they might as well explain why his backsplash is there too.

No-one's arguing that all three would be added though. If the backsplash truly does correspond to the character, it's either Spring Man, or the far less likely Max Brass.

 

[The Stoopid Unikorn]

Is it really gonna come down to this of all things? At least the fingers thing wasn't directly saying "THREE" Houses.

But it was still Three Houses in the end; Sakurai just flexed by counting the games in binary