Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[DaybreakHorizon]

If this is somehow legit and you aren't just meming I'll come over there and bring down the bike

gwen what's the bike

gwen

gwen what's the bike

do i want the bike?

i dont think i do

 

[Flyboy]

I've always wanted an otome game representative in Smash, and what better way to bring in the genre than with the greatest otome game of all time, Fortune Lover

 

[PK-remling Fire]

The show's world takes place inside a video game called Fortune Lover. A game that's actually being released a lá Wreck It Ralph. There's room for technicality here that means there's a chance. The series as a whole is ongoing and surprisingly popular, so it'd make sense from a marketing standpoint, as well as providing representation for the Virtual Novel genre.

If she gets in, my dream for Wreck it Ralph to join the battle will no longer be a mere fantasy.

Y’know completely unrelated to... whatever the hell is going on above but I think that there’s a solid possibility the character after ARMS will be a really big character. I’m talking like Master Chief or Lara Croft big because, this ARMS character is getting released when Fighter 7 SHOULD have been revealed, whether CO-Vid has effected it or not who knows, which means 7 and potentially 8 would’ve been the E3 Reveals.

With that in mind who do we think the character could be that would make the biggest splash? Someone like Geno for fan favoritism that has been at E3 with Ridley and Banjo? Or someone out of nowhere like Joker? Who are your guesses?

I could picture someone that's outside of most speculation circles, but still popular enough to gain a ton of attention for E3 (this would've been planned out before everything got cancelled).

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Personally, I think Super Smash Bros. could keep its Nintendo focus. It expands the list of characters that are possible by lowering the bar of who can realistically join the roster just by being a Nintendo character. I mean, if Super Smash Bros. were an all out gaming crossover, tons of cool characters characters like Olimar, Ness, Captain Falcon, any non-Triforce The Legend of Zelda character, and probably even tertiary reps like Bowser Jr. would be completely ineligible because they aren't one of the most important characters in video game history and aren't the most relevant today.

That's not to say that they shouldn't keep expanding upon the 3rd parties. In fact, characters that are starting to become series staples like Sonic should start adding trickling in characters from their series as if they were Nintendo characters.

gwen what's the bike

gwen

gwen what's the bike

do i want the bike?

i dont think i do

Oh. You didn't know? It's where we play our card games.

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

I've always wanted an otome game representative in Smash, and what better way to bring in the genre than with the greatest otome game of all time, Fortune Lover

I see you too are a man of culture.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Wait a minute...

Are you telling me this literal who anime girl is getting in the way of the superior visual novel representative that is Phoenix Wright?

IT'S TIME TO START A WAR, BOYS.

 

[TheCJBrine]

I've always wanted an otome game representative in Smash, and what better way to bring in the genre than with the greatest otome game of all time, Fortune Lover

Wait, so it was a game first or an anime first?

 

[PeridotGX]

Hey guys. I got a real interesting piece of information from a contact of mine. We've been in touch since around 2018 when I was working on the Leaks Archive, and we've become pretty good friends since then. They gave me some correct info pre-base and corroborated some DLC info so I trust them. I was spitballing with them about something and it turns out I might be on to something according to them.

Anyways, remember back when Hitagi was spouting **** about Katalina being in? An interesting thing about the Japanese language is that the L and R letters can typically be swapped (for example, the English and Japanese versions of Little Witch Academia refer to a professor as Finnelan and Finneran respectively). Given that Hitagi was clearly unsure about their info, I got to thinking "what if Katalina was actually Katarina?" I was talking to my friend about this and they said I was on to something, so I kept going.

Anyways, there's a new show I've been watching called My Next Life as a Villainess. The main character of the show is called Katarina Claes. I was honestly joking when I threw it out, but my friend ****in' spilled that she's in serious consideration for a playable spot because, let's be real, this is so incredibly ridiculous no one's ever going to believe it.

And, I know what you're all thinking "anime debut? invalid." BUT WAIT.

The show's world takes place inside a video game called Fortune Lover. A game that's actually being released a lá Wreck It Ralph. There's room for technicality here that means there's a chance. The series as a whole is ongoing and surprisingly popular, so it'd make sense from a marketing standpoint, as well as providing representation for the Virtual Novel genre.

My friend even gave me a mockup of the trailer. Obviously it's not the actual trailer, but apparently it's really close. I've spoilered the link below.

Spoiler

https://streamable.com/hn2ii8

Maybe I'll write up a larger speculation piece on this later, but it's late right now and I should probably get going to bed. I figured I'd stop by quick before then to share the news and maybe stir up conversation.

When the first 4th party is a villian from modern animation you don't care about instead of a villian from modern animation that you do care about.

 

[Flyboy]

Wait a minute...

Are you telling me this literal who anime girl is getting in the way of the superior visual novel representative that is Phoenix Wright?

IT'S TIME TO START A WAR, BOYS.

What you don't know is that Pass 2 is going to be a visual novel-heavy pass, with Catarina Claes, Phoenix Wright, Okabe Rintarou, and Saber Artoria all getting in.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

What you don't know is that Pass 2 is going to be a visual novel-heavy pass, with Catarina Claes, Phoenix Wright, Okabe Rintarou, and Saber Artoria all getting in.

I'll accept that.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

What you don't know is that Pass 2 is going to be a visual novel-heavy pass, with Catarina Claes, Phoenix Wright, Okabe Rintarou, and Saber Artoria all getting in.

But that means no Phi, Kaede or Shuichi

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

smh our first 4th-party despite Sakurai’s rule and it’s not even SpongeBob, Popeye or Goku.

bro what are you talking about we got our first fourth party in SB64

Released in 1993, before the N64 was even a thing.

 

[Flyboy]

But that means no Phi, Kaede or Shuichi

Phi is a Mii costume that is coming with Sigma, Junpei, and Akane ones. They'll be released alongside the sixth character in the pass who is every mainline Danganronpa protagonist in a Hero situation.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

bro what are you talking about we got our first fourth party in SB64

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Released in 1993, before the N64 was even a thing.

The poster even has a detractor argument as a selling point!

Very clever Soccer Guy!

 

[TheCJBrine]

bro what are you talking about we got our first fourth party in SB64

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Released in 1993, before the N64 was even a thing.

Y’know, I thought this was a joke, but there was no punch-line or meme or anything, so...

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

What you don't know is that Pass 2 is going to be a visual novel-heavy pass, with Catarina Claes, Phoenix Wright, Okabe Rintarou, and Saber Artoria all getting in.

Phi is a Mii costume that is coming with Sigma, Junpei, and Akane ones. They'll be released alongside the sixth character in the pass who is every mainline Danganronpa protagonist in a Hero situation.

You joke but this pass is actually really good.

 

[PK-remling Fire]

What you don't know is that Pass 2 is going to be a visual novel-heavy pass, with Catarina Claes, Phoenix Wright, Okabe Rintarou, and Saber Artoria all getting in.

It would all be worth it if I get my girl Beatrice

Spoiler

 

[Flyboy]

You joke but this pass is actually really good.

Me and the three other people who support Okabe for Smash will be popping the BIGGEST bottles come fighter 9

 

[Tots Woz]

Hey all, so I don't really come around this parts as often as I do, but I wanna just ask a bit of a "umbrella" question, if you will. How come there's been this overarching feeling of "FIRST PARTIES BAD"? I think for the majority, that really isn't the case? I think it's pretty important to realize something when you look at the "bigger picture."

Smash is in a really unique situation where it's most definitely a Nintendo crossover, but under that veil, it's essentially what Sakurai, Reggie and others have said time and time again: Smash is a showcase of gaming. Max really is spitting facts with what he says, and a good lot of casuals definitely are starting to see Smash like this, as time goes on. It's when it comes to cards Nintendo holds close, it's a bit of a double-edged sword where it really does depend on what first-party characters we're talking about. And well, unfortunately there isn't much left that would garner those eyes, garner those sales, garner that hype. And really, who else is left to fit in those shoes that are...

• Not from a dormant IP.
• Not from a "dead" IP.
• A multi-million selling IP.
• A main/major character in some form.
• A very noticeable character amongst gamers.

Add "Nintendo" to that mix and well... You don't get much results left. Don't get me wrong, my most wanted character still to this day is Rex & Pyra from Xenoblade Chronicles 2. But would I also flip my bananers if I heard a single piano note from the Halo theme and we all sing together in harmony for Master Chief's inclusion? Abso-freaking-lutely. And I don't think that's an "incorrect" or iffy feeling to have, in the slightest. We all have our wants and some of them no doubt are first-parties, most likely.

Nobody really can "devalue" a first-party POV other than Nintendo themselves and what they choose. And well, unfortunately, I do kinda sympathize with people feeling a bit burned by Byleth, or don't think that - probably - Spring-Man is a great way to start Volume 2 when literally Joker from Persona 5 was the previous starter. It's not the sentiment that "FIRST PARTIES BAD", it's the matter of WHO and WHAT Nintendo has chosen for that "slot", if you will.

The experience of a character and DLC pack reveal is always a tantalizing feeling. "Who's gonna be next to be solidified in the biggest crossover in entertainment media?" And to add onto that theme, I just feel that third-parties aren't this whole boogeyman that some people would like to make it out and only just strengthens what most first-parties can't in it's stead. I would be excited to see an Isaac or a Rhythm Heaven!

But I would be lying if I said characters and series like Kiryu from Yakuza... Dante from Devil May Cry... hell, even Geralt of Rivia from The Witcher... I'd be lying if I said "those characters don't generate more hype."

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

Y’know, I thought this was a joke, but there was no punch-line or meme or anything, so...

CJ. You know me.

Do I ever joke around here?

No. Of course not. I never joke around on https://smashboards.com.

NEVER

 

[Ace C.R.O.S.S.]

quick, pick a Ryu to join Smash
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and yes, if it isn’t phoenix or bof ryu I won’t respect you

Ryuichi Naruhodou!

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Phi is a Mii costume that is coming with Sigma, Junpei, and Akane ones. They'll be released alongside the sixth character in the pass who is every mainline Danganronpa protagonist in a Hero situation.

Smol brains: "This is unfair why did we get all this crappy anime over Ayumi Tachibana?"

Beeeeeg brains:

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[Swamp Sensei]

don't think that - probably - Spring-Man is a great way to start Volume 2 when literally Joker from Persona 5 was the previous starter.

Honestly, the ARMS character's reception wasn't even negative.

It was just... standard. Most people just said "cool" and waited for more news.

I understand Smash tends to feed on hype but... pure hype isn't sustainable.

 

[SnowClaws]

I also don't think its been posted in the thread yet, but Delzethin uploaded his video discussing the ARMS rep:

It's a solid video and it does an excellent job exploring multiple options on who the character could be and what gameplay mechanics could come over from ARMS.

Watching this video, I believe Delzethin forget or isn't aware of other key aspects from ARMS like the Dash, Weight, and Rush mechanic.

The Dash mechanic allows the ARMS fighters to quickly dodge right or left on the ground or in the air, but for certain characters, they can access their specific abilities. For example, when Ribbon Girl dashes in the air, she automatically drops to the ground or what Smash player likes to call a fast fall. Another example, when Min Min dashes on the ground, she able to do a kick while the direction is backward, but not forward instead she does a regular dash. Also, when Min Min dashes in the air, she is able to kick in any direction. That kick is acts like a Ryu/Ken Focus Attack not a damaging attack. I feel likes this dash mechanic would be their side special, and certain ARMS character can access their specific ability depending on if they dashes on the ground or in the air. Lastly, ARMS character can immediately dash once they guard a attack.

The Weight mechanic go along with the ARMS swap mechanic as weight affects the ARMS speed, attack, and knockback. If the ARMS is heavier than the opponent's ARMS, then the ARMS that is heavier will knockdown their ARMS and inflict damage as well. Heavy beats Medium, and Medium beats Light. Same size both ARMS will go down. In Smash, there could be certain attacks that will knock down the ARMS attacks depending on its weight.

The Rush mechanic go along with the weight mechanic as the super move changes the ARMS weight proprieties, so Light becomes Medium and Medium becomes Heavy. Heavy is unblockable counterattack if the opponent strikes back. I don't know why the Rush mechanic is often ignored, but it allows the ARMS fighter to do a defensive tactic as it retract the ARMS immediately back and allows the player a enough time to push the guard button and block the opposing attacks while the Rush gauge goes down. The Rush super move is optional, so it isn't like a Final Smash, and it more like a Mac super move. Now I don't know if Smash will force the player to double tap as one is for the activation of the Rush and the other is for the super move. Fun fact, each ARMS has a unique super move animation.

Finally, I going to correct Delzethin on the charging mechanic as that one shouldn't be used in one of their special as there are three different ways to charge a ARMS. In the video below, each of these three methods contradict the use for the charging mechanic in one of their special.

 

[Hinata]

Honestly, the ARMS character's reception wasn't even negative.

It was just... standard. Most people just said "cool" are waited for more news.

I understand Smash tends to feed on hype but... pure hype isn't sustainable.

I cannot survive unless I have Smash news to look forward to. When one Smash game is finished, I fall into a coma until the next one is announced.

It is my curse.

 

[Tots Woz]

Honestly, the ARMS character's reception wasn't even negative.

It was just... standard. Most people just said "cool" are waited for more news.

I understand Smash tends to feed on hype but... pure hype isn't sustainable.

While I don't think the reception to ARMS was negative, certainly didn't see anyone react negatively to it, I think it didn't help with current situations going on in the world that Nintendo just had to spat it out with that Mini Direct, which was supposed to have been a full Direct. Which to be clear, I absolutely can't blame Nintendo for.

The sudden news in our feed, the idea that ARMS is back all just rushing in at a very sudden notice; I think it was more so just confusion than anything that also sided with "oh, cool". Though I don't know if keeping us in the dark for three months about who it is was the smartest idea, either. I'm hoping I'm WOW-ed come the next few weeks.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Hey all, so I don't really come around this parts as often as I do, but I wanna just ask a bit of a "umbrella" question, if you will. How come there's been this overarching feeling of "FIRST PARTIES BAD"? I think for the majority, that really isn't the case? I think it's pretty important to realize something when you look at the "bigger picture."

Smash is in a really unique situation where it's most definitely a Nintendo crossover, but under that veil, it's essentially what Sakurai, Reggie and others have said time and time again: Smash is a showcase of gaming. Max really is spitting facts with what he says, and a good lot of casuals definitely are starting to see Smash like this, as time goes on. It's when it comes to cards Nintendo holds close, it's a bit of a double-edged sword where it really does depend on what first-party characters we're talking about. And well, unfortunately there isn't much left that would garner those eyes, garner those sales, garner that hype. And really, who else is left to fit in those shoes that are...

• Not from a dormant IP.
• Not from a "dead" IP.
• A multi-million selling IP.
• A main/major character in some form.
• A very noticeable character amongst gamers.

Add "Nintendo" to that mix and well... You don't get much results left. Don't get me wrong, my most wanted character still to this day is Rex & Pyra from Xenoblade Chronicles 2. But would I also flip my bananers if I heard a single piano note from the Halo theme and we all sing together in harmony for Master Chief's inclusion? Abso-freaking-lutely. And I don't think that's an "incorrect" or iffy feeling to have, in the slightest. We all have our wants and some of them no doubt are first-parties, most likely.

Nobody really can "devalue" a first-party POV other than Nintendo themselves and what they choose. And well, unfortunately, I do kinda sympathize with people feeling a bit burned by Byleth, or don't think that - probably - Spring-Man is a great way to start Volume 2 when literally Joker from Persona 5 was the previous starter. It's not the sentiment that "FIRST PARTIES BAD", it's the matter of WHO and WHAT Nintendo has chosen for that "slot", if you will.

The experience of a character and DLC pack reveal is always a tantalizing feeling. "Who's gonna be next to be solidified in the biggest crossover in entertainment media?" And to add onto that theme, I just feel that third-parties aren't this whole boogeyman that some people would like to make it out and only just strengthens what most first-parties can't in it's stead. I would be excited to see an Isaac or a Rhythm Heaven!

But I would be lying if I said characters and series like Kiryu from Yakuza... Dante from Devil May Cry... hell, even Geralt of Rivia from The Witcher... I'd be lying if I said "those characters don't generate more hype."

You could probably pick any character from a hat, and make something fun out of it, even if it was...I dunno a Snubble or something, and I think the only truly bad pick is something almost nobody wanted even if the possibility were to be entertained; Even Fire Emblem: Three Houses fans wanted Edelgard instead (me notwithstanding).

As far as 1st vs. 3rd parties go, 3rd parties certainly win out in how many people will be made happy since if your name isn't Tom Nook, K.K. Slider or...maybe Waluigi, you probably only appeal to Super Smash Bros. fans and subsets of other Nintendo fans at the moment. I don't think that this is an insignificant number of people though, and if we're talking profits, characters like Isaac and the Skull Kid aren't likely to cause a deficit (I doubt even Byleth did to be honest).

I guess what I'm trying to say is that 1st party characters aren't going to turn any heads, but unless people just don't want them (characters like Urshifu), they aren't going to be worthless as picks in my opinion.

 

[♕Pretty Roger♕]

I am kind of impressed no one has actually talked about the possibility of a Splatoon 2 rep (maybe because a lot of people consider Octoling only plausible as an echo, which totally could have happened) considering all the little hints and similarities with ARMS, both have a or had a free demo this year, both cycles of updates are most likely over and they didn't have a stage, most of the Splatoon content is definitely from the first game (I always thought it was a little weird that Pearl and Marina were not even assist considering Callie and Marie). None of those things are that exceptional and they are not really related to smash, even though the free demo was definitely out there as an uncommon occurrence, until today Nintendo of America tweeted about the prize of their next open tournament: a copy of ARMS (the connection to Smash is obvious), a fighters pass 2 download and lastly a Splatoon 2 digital copy, obviously it could be that Nintendo chose their e-sport titles as prizes but the timing seems a little off and i wouldn't even be surprised if the winners already have all of those titles, anyway i find the idea to be an interesting approach, as before this i did not even considered a possible Splatoon 2 fighter pack in the slightest.

(One of the key differences i find in both case is that Splatoon 2 did get music in the game, so maybe if they were to add a Splatoon 2 rep they would choose Octo Expansion music??)

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[Swamp Sensei]

Even Fire Emblem: Three Houses fans wanted Edelgard instead (me notwithstanding).

I dunno.

I kind of want Fire Emblem's first villain to be one I liked.

 

[Guynamednelson]

A multi-million selling IP.

*suspicious terry bogard noises*

since if your name isn't Tom Nook, K.K. Slider or...maybe Waluigi, you probably only appeal to Super Smash Bros. fans and subsets of other Nintendo fans at the moment

*suspicious eevee noises*

 

[Shroob]

You could probably pick any character from a hat, and make something fun out of it, even if it was...I dunno a Snubble or something, and I think the only truly bad pick is something almost nobody wanted even if the possibility were to be entertained; Even Fire Emblem: Three Houses fans wanted Edelgard instead (me notwithstanding).

As far as 1st vs. 3rd parties go, 3rd parties certainly win out in how many people will be made happy since if your name isn't Tom Nook, K.K. Slider or...maybe Waluigi, you probably only appeal to Super Smash Bros. fans and subsets of other Nintendo fans at the moment. I don't think that this is an insignificant number of people though, and if we're talking profits, characters like Isaac and the Skull Kid aren't likely to cause a deficit (I doubt even Byleth did to be honest).

I guess what I'm trying to say is that 1st party characters aren't going to turn any heads, but unless people just don't want them (characters like Urshifu), they aren't going to be worthless as picks in my opinion.

I'll have you know there are single digits of us Urshifu stans

SINGLE DIGITS!


.....man the joke just isn't funny unless there actually is a big enough niche fanbase to hearken to huh.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

I dunno.

I kind of want Fire Emblem's first villain to be one I liked.

Spoiler: Image

The Hat Kid is a villain within the Fire Emblem franchise? This increases her chances by seventillion percent!

(One of the key differences i find in both case is that Splatoon 2 did get music in the game, so maybe if they were to add a Splatoon 2 rep they would choose Octo Expansion music??)

The other difference is that Splatoon has a character while ARMS does not, and I think that the Octolings are a bit too visually and overall mechanically similar to the Inklings for most people to go "but we already have Inklings".

EDIT: *Rie disliked this post*

I'll have you know there are single digits of us Urshifu stans

SINGLE DIGITS!

Ah so 1 then.

.....man the joke just isn't funny unless there actually is a big enough niche fanbase to hearken to huh.

It makes it funnier actually.

 

[Iko MattOrr]

Personally, I think Super Smash Bros. could keep its Nintendo focus. It expands the list of characters that are possible by lowering the bar of who can realistically join the roster just by being a Nintendo character. I mean, if Super Smash Bros. were an all out gaming crossover, tons of cool characters characters like Olimar, Ness, Captain Falcon, any non-Triforce The Legend of Zelda character, and probably even tertiary reps like Bowser Jr. would be completely ineligible because they aren't one of the most important characters in video game history and aren't the most relevant today.

That's not to say that they shouldn't keep expanding upon the 3rd parties. In fact, characters that are starting to become series staples like Sonic should start adding trickling in characters from their series as if they were Nintendo characters.

I agree with this so much.
IMO the focus should stay on Nintendo characters and some of those regular 3rd parties like Sonic and Megaman; they can still add a few guest stars occasionally, but they should be treated as guest stars, not as the main focus.

There are several reasons for why I say this:
-Because Nintendo characters and characters from companies who are used to work with Nintendo, are easier to add in future Smash games without getting into copyright issues... this is good because if you main one of those characters, you know that you'll be able to play as it in the future as well.
-Because most of Nintendo characters and worlds have compatible art-styles and moods, making the characters and stages feel less out of place when put together. Some third party franchise also fit these standards.
-Because, as mentioned, having less franchises but more characters/stages from them allows the game to include more unique and interesting content than just adding the main character and the most iconic location from each franchise. Usually, the main character is the "default" one, and side characters or enemies get the more interesting abilities and powers; if you add only the main characters, you are missing a lot of uniqueness.
-Because big third party franchises are usually hyped by the fans, and when a character from those franchises is added to Smash, it sells because of the hype more than for the gameplay itself. When they can't rely hype, they usually have to rely on other values in order to sell their game/characters; such as making them actually play good and be unique maybe?

Regarding the second point, imagine if the next Avengers movie included Goku, the Power Rangers, and a bunch of other random stuff, only because they're kind of super heroes too and they decided to expand the crossover from Marvel only to superheroes in general. Would you like it? I mean, maybe they manage to make something cool out of this concept, but it would be a completely different thing, expect less coherence, more clashing stuff and more quantity over quality. This is how I feel about Smash and the flood of third party franchises. I prefer Smash to have a more focused creative direction and feel less like Mugen.

 

[Guynamednelson]

if you add only the main characters, you are missing a lot of uniqueness.

Unfortunately, a lot of people now assume a moveset can only be unique if it's all about transferring a character's origin game mechanics into Smash.

 

[Vintage Creep]

Hey all, so I don't really come around this parts as often as I do, but I wanna just ask a bit of a "umbrella" question, if you will. How come there's been this overarching feeling of "FIRST PARTIES BAD"? I think for the majority, that really isn't the case? I think it's pretty important to realize something when you look at the "bigger picture."

Smash is in a really unique situation where it's most definitely a Nintendo crossover, but under that veil, it's essentially what Sakurai, Reggie and others have said time and time again: Smash is a showcase of gaming. Max really is spitting facts with what he says, and a good lot of casuals definitely are starting to see Smash like this, as time goes on. It's when it comes to cards Nintendo holds close, it's a bit of a double-edged sword where it really does depend on what first-party characters we're talking about. And well, unfortunately there isn't much left that would garner those eyes, garner those sales, garner that hype. And really, who else is left to fit in those shoes that are...

• Not from a dormant IP.
• Not from a "dead" IP.
• A multi-million selling IP.
• A main/major character in some form.
• A very noticeable character amongst gamers.

Add "Nintendo" to that mix and well... You don't get much results left. Don't get me wrong, my most wanted character still to this day is Rex & Pyra from Xenoblade Chronicles 2. But would I also flip my bananers if I heard a single piano note from the Halo theme and we all sing together in harmony for Master Chief's inclusion? Abso-freaking-lutely. And I don't think that's an "incorrect" or iffy feeling to have, in the slightest. We all have our wants and some of them no doubt are first-parties, most likely.

Nobody really can "devalue" a first-party POV other than Nintendo themselves and what they choose. And well, unfortunately, I do kinda sympathize with people feeling a bit burned by Byleth, or don't think that - probably - Spring-Man is a great way to start Volume 2 when literally Joker from Persona 5 was the previous starter. It's not the sentiment that "FIRST PARTIES BAD", it's the matter of WHO and WHAT Nintendo has chosen for that "slot", if you will.

The experience of a character and DLC pack reveal is always a tantalizing feeling. "Who's gonna be next to be solidified in the biggest crossover in entertainment media?" And to add onto that theme, I just feel that third-parties aren't this whole boogeyman that some people would like to make it out and only just strengthens what most first-parties can't in it's stead. I would be excited to see an Isaac or a Rhythm Heaven!

But I would be lying if I said characters and series like Kiryu from Yakuza... Dante from Devil May Cry... hell, even Geralt of Rivia from The Witcher... I'd be lying if I said "those characters don't generate more hype."

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I'm not against Nintendo characters of course, it's just that I'd at least prefer they represent a new franchise with few exceptions: Waluigi just for trolling, Dixie Kong for completion and a new Xeno character simply because every game has so many differences in lore and design that they would almost feel like a character from a new IP. Byleth was disappointing because it feels more of the same from a design standpoint: they're the 8th character from Fire Emblem, and the fifth which is a blue-haired swordsman to boot. If it was Rex & Pyra that got revealed instead, the backlash would've been far smaller.

There are a lot of Nintendo IPs they could pull new characters from and, most importantly, new worlds. That's why I'm hyped even for an ARMS rep, it'll come with a vastly different gameplay from any other character and also music and a stage that won't be familiar to what's already in.

Same could happen with characters like Saki Amamiya, Alexandra Roivas (my impossible dream), someone from Advance Wars, Isaac, etc.

But of course now the biggest guns come from third parties so I'm happy Nintendo is willing to put serious business in there.

 

[osby]

Oh boy.

I agree with this so much.
IMO the focus should stay on Nintendo characters and some of those regular 3rd parties like Sonic and Megaman; they can still add a few guest stars occasionally, but they should be treated as guest stars, not as the main focus.

Third parties aren't the main focus. They are a small minority among Nintendo characters and they are only really focused on as extra content.

-Because Nintendo characters and characters from companies who are used to work with Nintendo, are easier to add in future Smash games without getting into copyright issues... this is good because if you main one of those character, you know that you'll be able to play as it in the future as well.

The next game will have to cut a lot of characters anyway and chances are that most of them will be Nintendo characters. Just compare Snake to Ivysaur, Pichu, Young Link, Wolf, etc.

-Because most of Nintendo characters and worlds have compatible art-styles and moods, making the characters and stages feel less out of place when put together. Some third party franchise also fit these standards.

Tell me how Kirby and Metroid have compatible art styles. Also, Smash is a crossover that thrives on bringing different art styles together. Claiming otherwise is just gatekeeping the characters you personally don't like.

-Because, as mentioned, having less franchises but more characters/stages from them allows the game to include more unique and interesting content than just adding the main character and the most iconic location from each franchise. Usually, the main character is the "default" one, and side characters or enemies get the more interesting abilities and powers; if you add only the main characters, you are missing a lot of uniqueness.

That really depends on the characters. You can't tell me with a straight face that Bayo or PAC-MAN brings less uniqueness than yet another FE protag or Pokemon starter. Also, aren't you arguing against new Nintendo franchises that don't have their main character in Smash and arguing in favor of third parties getting side characters?

-Because big third party franchises are usually hyped by the fans, and when a character from those franchises is added to Smash, it sells because of the hype more than for the gameplay itself. When they can't rely hype, they usually have to rely on other values in order to sell their game/characters; such as making them actually play good and be unique maybe?

Another illogical argument. Third parties can be hype and unique, especially considering most of them carry their own styles and abilities from their own games.

Regarding the second point, imagine if the next Avengers movie included Goku, the Power Rangers, and a bunch of other random stuff, only because they're kind of super heroes too and they decided to expand the crossover from Marvel only to superheroes in general. Would you like it? I mean, maybe they manage to make something cool out of this concept, but it would be a completely different thing, expect less coherence, more clashing stuff and more quantity over quality. This is how I feel about Smash and the flood of third party franchises.

Apples and orange. Avengers is set in a single continuity while Smash crosses over universes from the start and it exclusively focuses on video games.

Just say you don't like third parties if you can't believably "prove" why they are bad for Smash.

 

[Glaciacott]

I would not mind a bit if we got a Splatoon 2 character in Smash. In fact, I think I'd be pretty hype, and it's not undeserved.

Give me DJ Octavio and let us drop wasabi beats on smash,

 

[Shroob]

Good heavens, look at the time,

It's

"3rd Party Bad" o' clock.

 

[Iko MattOrr]

Oh boy.



Third parties aren't the main focus. They are a small minority among Nintendo characters and they are only really focused on as extra content.



The next game will have to cut a lot of characters anyway and chances are that most of them will be Nintendo characters. Just compare Snake to Ivysaur, Pichu, Young Link, Wolf, etc.



Tell me how Kirby and Metroid have compatible art styles. Also, Smash is a crossover that thrives on bringing different art styles] together. Claiming otherwise is just gatekeeping the characters you personally don't like.



That really depends on the characters. You can't tell me with a straight face that Bayo or PAC-MAN brings less uniqueness than yet another FE protag or Pokemon starter. Also, aren't you arguing against new Nintendo franchises that don't have their main character in Smash and arguing in favor of third parties getting side characters?



Another illogical argument. Third parties can be hype and unique, especially considering most of them carry their own styles and abilities from their own games.



Apples and orange. Avengers is set in a single continuity while Smash crosses over universes from the start and it exclusively focuses on video games.

Just say you don't like third parties if you can't believably "prove" why they are bad for Smash.

Oh boy.

It's nice to read your opinion on the matter, it's ok to disagree but at least I'm not calling your reasoning illogical, even if I think sometimes it is.

 

[Hinata]

Good heavens, look at the time,

It's

"3rd Party Bad" o' clock.

dae hate anything not nintendo??? 3rd parties bad, only nintendogs characters from now on pls

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