Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[SKX31]

Even that wouldn't really help. EVO is a compilation of some of the biggest fighting games in the industry and not a single one of them had good online so they had to be dropped from the main event. Marvel Vs. Capcom 2 gets a pass because it preceded online, but still.

Really all fighting game devs should look to the games that actually made it to EVO this year.

While those things wouldn't help much now, improving online would be for the future. Not just neccessarily Smash 6 (and beyond) but also perhaps a Ultimate DX or whatever if they commit to that. I know online's been one of Nintendo's weaknesses for a while, but patching up such a weakness would be beneficial even if it takes a lot to do so.

The four open online tournaments at EVO are, for reference:

MK11
Killer Instinct 2013
Them's Fightin' Herds
Skullgirls

Those four are the ones with good enough or better netcode (and without weird licensing issues like Power Rangers). The other 8 will be invite-based tournaments. EVO did note "With special exhibitions and content for EVO 2020's Original Lineup" meaning Smash will get something there still - whether it's a trailer or exhibition tournament, whatever.

Speaking of codenames, Let’s play a thread game.

It’s simple: Come up with codenames for your most wanted characters.
I’l start:
-Bandana Waddle Dee: fighter_kind_friend
-Waluigi: fighter_kind_cheater
-Tom Nook: fighter_kind_businessman
-Dr. Eggman: fighter_kind_mech
-Steve: fighter_kind_builder
-Chell: fighter_kind_science

fighter_kind_style
fighter_kind_ringworld
fighter_kind_swissknife
fighter_kind_teleport
fighter_kind_laguna
fighter_kind_stretch

 

[Rie Sonomura]

While those things wouldn't help much now, improving online would be for the future. Not just neccessarily Smash 6 (and beyond) but also perhaps a Ultimate DX or whatever if they commit to that. I know online's been one of Nintendo's weaknesses for a while, but patching up such a weakness would be beneficial even if it takes a lot to do so.

The four open online tournaments at EVO are, for reference:

MK11
Killer Instinct 2013
Them's Fightin' Herds
Skullgirls

Those four are the ones with good enough or better netcode (and without weird licensing issues like Power Rangers). The other 8 will be invite-based tournaments. EVO did note "With special exhibitions and content for EVO 2020's Original Lineup" meaning Smash will get something there still - whether it's a trailer or exhibition tournament, whatever.



fighter_kind_style
fighter_kind_ringworld
fighter_kind_swissknife
fighter_kind_teleport
fighter_kind_laguna
fighter_kind_stretch

Gonna think outside the box and say swissknife is KOS-MOS cause she’s a walking Swiss knife of mechanical weapons

one of them is Master Chief. Probably Ringworld

and I swear you used Laguna before and I still dunno who it is

 

[Kotor]

Kronya... probably someone from Fire Emblem
Fairy = Lip?
Light = Sora. Just Sora, ok
Eight = THIS time it’s Octoling. please?
No clue on the others

2/10
You got Sora as Light, and Octoling as Eight
Kronya has nothing to do with Fire Emblem. In fact no one on my list has anything to do with Fire Emblem.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

EVO did note "With special exhibitions and content for EVO 2020's Original Lineup" meaning Smash will get something there still - whether it's a trailer or exhibition tournament, whatever.

Smash wasn't listed among the original lineup, which implies it'll be completely absent.

 

[Speed Weed]

While those things wouldn't help much now, improving online would be for the future. Not just neccessarily Smash 6 (and beyond) but also perhaps a Ultimate DX or whatever if they commit to that. I know online's been one of Nintendo's weaknesses for a while, but patching up such a weakness would be beneficial even if it takes a lot to do so.

The four open online tournaments at EVO are, for reference:

MK11
Killer Instinct 2013
Them's Fightin' Herds
Skullgirls

Those four are the ones with good enough or better netcode (and without weird licensing issues like Power Rangers). The other 8 will be invite-based tournaments. EVO did note "With special exhibitions and content for EVO 2020's Original Lineup" meaning Smash will get something there still - whether it's a trailer or exhibition tournament, whatever.



fighter_kind_style
fighter_kind_ringworld
fighter_kind_swissknife
fighter_kind_teleport
fighter_kind_laguna
fighter_kind_stretch

style i think is either dante or style savvy
i might be thinking a little too inside the box here, but maybe ringworld is ring fit?
yeah, i second rie, kos-mos makes sense for swissknife
teleport and stretch i'm not sure about
laguna is the name of a final fantasy 8 character, so i wanna say squall?

 

[snowgolem]

Speaking of codenames, Let’s play a thread game.

It’s simple: Come up with codenames for your most wanted characters.
I’l start:
-Bandana Waddle Dee: fighter_kind_friend
-Waluigi: fighter_kind_cheater
-Tom Nook: fighter_kind_businessman
-Dr. Eggman: fighter_kind_mech
-Steve: fighter_kind_builder
-Chell: fighter_kind_science

I’m gonna do my best to make sure these wouldn’t be able to find out.
-Chell: fighter_kind_daughter (Daughter of an employee at Aperture Labs)
-Phoenix: fighter_kind_ryu (This would be absolutely hilarious. People would think it’s Ryu Hayabusa ((or maybe someone else idk)) when in reality it just meant Ryūichi.)
-Dr Coyle: fighter_kind_scientist (duh)
-Frisk: fighter_kind_punk (That’s what Undyne calls them. An alternate one could be human but that would be a bit more obvious.)
-Steve: fighter_kind_default (duh)
In my world, there are way too many silent protagonists in Smash

 

[SKX31]

Gonna think outside the box and say swissknife is KOS-MOS cause she’s a walking Swiss knife of mechanical weapons

one of them is Master Chief. Probably Ringworld

and I swear you used Laguna before and I still dunno who it is

Yes on both of them.

And as for Laguna - yes that character is based on the manga / anime character using that move (sharing not just her name, but also the names of her spells). Also, (this gives it away, but whatever) it's the game where the item Aghanim's Scepter's (upgrades a certain spell) busted on so many characters. (Seriously, I bet you most Russians don't think of Aghanim as a Zelda character at all).

style i think is either dante or style savvy
i might be thinking a little too inside the box here, but maybe ringworld is ring fit?
yeah, i second rie, kos-mos makes sense for swissknife
teleport and stretch i'm not sure about
laguna is the name of a final fantasy 8 character, so i wanna say squall?

Style is indeed Dante, could see Style Savvy too.
Ring Fit Adventurer is a correct answer, but it's stretch instead (since that's a major component of the game, whether it's warm-up, battles or wind-downs).

Smash wasn't listed among the original lineup, which implies it'll be completely absent.

EVO's official website still has the original lineup.

 

[Just a random scrub]

Imagine how much different the reaction to Terry would've been if people had spent that past few months basking in the glory of knowing that "Dolly" was finally in Smash.

Not gonna lie, that's kinda cruel dude.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

fighter_kind_ultra

Damn, we don't even have gameplay on Project GG and we're already getting codenames for it

iirc there was also data for Devil's Third, another game Nintendo published but doesn't own, so I'm pretty sure it is that.

Not to mention that we know for a fact they've screwed up with Spirit artwork with the Masked Man sprite

 

[ZelDan]

fighter_kind_handy
fighter_kind_ring
fighter_kind_pogo
fighter_kind_guitarist

that's as clever as I could get with codenames.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

-Frisk: fighter_kind_punk (That’s what Undyne calls them. An alternate one could be human but that would be a bit more obvious.)

Actually, this codename would lead us down a wild goose chase. Speculation would probably revolve around Finn from Explore the Dungeon because I DON'T KNOW!

EVO's official website still has the original lineup.

Oh ok. Why it didn't appear in the EVO Online trailer is a mystery then.

 

[Swamp Sensei]

Wha? Source on this? I don't remember hearing about this detail until now.

I can't really source it cause... ya know...

But that's how the Isabelle, Ken and Incineroar became leaked. People saw the list and after the Smash direct, those three were the only three left.

 

[Speed Weed]

alright, people guessed 5/6 of my codenames so imma do a little clearup here
so
the ones people guessed
fighter_kind_examine was wright for obvious reasons
fighter_kind_viper was sol, a couple of his more iconic moves have "viper" in them
fighter_kind_reaper was neku because reaper's game
fighter_kind_donovan was axel, donovan is the name of a streets of rage enemy
fighter_kind_eight was iori, his moves have a lot of 8 symbolism in them

and finally

the one no one managed to guess

fighter_kind_shogun
and it waaaaaas.........takamaru. because...ya know...shogun....samurai...that kinda stuff

 

[ShrimpScampi]

fighter_kind_handy
fighter_kind_ring
fighter_kind_pogo
fighter_kind_guitarist

Handy makes me think Rayman, since his arms are just hands.
Ring Fit seems too obvious for ring -- maybe Shadow? Sonic rings + Shadow's inhibitor rings?
Pogo makes me think Shovel Knight (or Scrooge McDuck, but Shovel Knight seems more probable considering Scrooge is Disney)
For guitarist, probably Barbara the Bat?

For my codenames:
fighter_kind_sunflower
fighter_kind_pod
fighter_kind_youngwolf
fighter_kind_psych
fighter_kind_very_large_stick

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Ring Fit seems too obvious for ring -- maybe Shadow? Sonic rings + Shadow's inhibitor rings?

Nah it's Ring Man. They just thought nobody would guess it because nobody would want him.

 

[SKX31]

Oh ok. Why it didn't appear in the EVO Online trailer is a mystery then.

Again, EVO Online's trailer did state Exibitions and content for the original lineup - Maximillian Dood noted that "Content = Trailers". So we might see a exhibition tournament for funsies there, there's also an off chance that there'll be a trailer. EVO Online does run until July 31st-August 2nd, so that's the latest possible timeframe for any trailers period.

People's guessed 5 / 6 (I'm counting Laguna since that one's been given away really), with only teleport remaining. The character I'm thinking is known for rapidly teleporting short distances using one (or two really) abilities.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Again, EVO Online's trailer did state Exibitions and content for the original lineup

I know, but they then showed that original lineup...except for Smash, which implied that it was dropped. Since it wasn't dropped, that begs the question as to why it wasn't shown there. The answer was probably negotiations and deadlines, but it's still a little odd.

 

[snowgolem]

And here are the ones i’m doing without the names for you to guess. Just know: most of these aren’t ones that I want. So knowing who I want doesn’t help.
fighter_kind_prince
fighter_kind_lord
fighter_kind_hawk
fighter_kind_everyman
fighter_kind_cloak

 

[SKX31]

I know, but they then showed that original lineup...except for Smash, which implied that it was dropped. Since it wasn't dropped, that begs the question as to why it wasn't shown there. The answer was probably negotiations and deadlines, but it's still a little odd.

That's likely it yes. I don't think Sakurai will show at EVO, but considering NoA did send 4 paid-for trips last EVO (2019) via the last Online Open, Nintendo of America probably has some interest in EVO still. A special tournament or event (consisting of pros and popular YouTubers like Zero, possibly with some ordinary people there too) seems like the most likely outcome here. Chances are that they haven't fleshed things out fully yet (like making sure the people they're thinking of inviting are not infected).

A trailer is possible, but I don't see it as that likely. EVO will be during July, right after ARMS have (most likely) dropped and possibly FP7's reveal. It's possible that they negotiated around a FP# reveal at EVO since Nintendo's shifted to a shadowdrop-y style of revealing; but even then the question of "Have Nintendo and EVO negotiated around a Smash trailer?" remains. It might be simpler for Nintendo to go with their old E3 programming and reveal ARMS and FP7 almost together.

And here are the ones i’m doing without the names for you to guess. Just know: most of these aren’t ones that I want. So knowing who I want doesn’t help.
fighter_kind_prince
fighter_kind_lord
fighter_kind_hawk
fighter_kind_everyman
fighter_kind_cloak

Is Cloak one of the Assassin's Creed protagonists (like Ezio)?

 

[snowgolem]

Is Cloak one of the Assassin's Creed protagonists (like Ezio)?

No, that’s no where near it.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

fighter_kind_prince

This one is just Euden's other name.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

And here are the ones i’m doing without the names for you to guess. Just know: most of these aren’t ones that I want. So knowing who I want doesn’t help.
fighter_kind_prince
fighter_kind_lord
fighter_kind_hawk
fighter_kind_everyman
fighter_kind_cloak

is cloak Kingdom Hearts related? and is Everyman from a sandbox type game?

 

[snowgolem]

This one is just Euden's other name.

That is true, but it isn’t Euden. And it’s not being used as a name- it’s being used as a title.

is cloak Kingdom Hearts related? and is Everyman from a sandbox type game?

Nope to both.

 

[Cosmic77]

geno fans are not the ones making these fake leaks, its people who dont like geno and want to mess the community and the reason they go for geno is because hes a popular and controversial figure in the community.

Geno's fanbase isn't completely free of fake leakers. It's just as quilty as every other character's fanbase.

I'm assuming most of the people who are putting Geno in fake leaks are doing so because they want him in Smash or at the very least want more people to like their leak. Why go through the trouble of making a Mallow Mii Costume or making a special render of Geno for a fake "Everyone is here!" banner if you don't want him in Smash?

I'm sure there are plenty of people who are petty enough to make fake leaks just to invoke the worst of the Geno fanbase, but I highly doubt the majority of those people fall into that category. They're doing it so Geno gets more discussion.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

That is true, but it isn’t Euden. And it’s not being used as a name- it’s being used as a title.

Ah, it seems I have been bamboozled.

 

[Icedragonadam]

So does anyone know if there's a picture or video of the timeline of Smash Series character reveals up to Byleth yet?

 

[snowgolem]

Ah, it seems I have been bamboozled.

Yeah. I knew it would trick someone with my avatar and all.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

So does anyone know if there's a picture or video of the timeline of Smash Series character reveals up to Byleth yet?

Dunno if this is what you're looking for but I think it's pretty cool.

 

[TheCJBrine]

Geno's fanbase isn't completely free of fake leakers. It's just as quilty as every other character's fanbase.

I'm assuming most of the people who are putting Geno in fake leaks are doing so because they want him in Smash or at the very least want more people to like their leak. Why go through the trouble of making a Mallow Mii Costume or making a special render of Geno for a fake "Everyone is here!" banner if you don't want him in Smash?

I'm sure there are plenty of people who are petty enough to make fake leaks just to invoke the worst of the Geno fanbase, but I highly doubt the majority of those people fall into that category. They're doing it so Geno gets more discussion.

Or maybe the leakers are all trolls annoying people who want these characters? They're not only using Geno, y'know, it was done for Banjo and other characters as well, and is still done for multiple different ones. If fans really are making the fake leaks, then they're also annoying other fans who may think the leaks could be real. There's no need to be harsh about it, like you want to see Geno fans see "dolly," get their hopes up, then be disappointed, even if they're not angry.

Although I guess one dude with the edited Project M/Legacy XP image did do it for discussion...so, wasn't even ill-intentioned even if it wasn't the best way to do things...but the Grinch Leak person and others are pretty clearly trolls.

 

[Glaciacott]

I'd be much more of a jerk with my codenames and make them as confusing as possible

fighter_kind_Min = steve, from Minecraft
fighter_kind_Crash = Min Min, as she won the party crash bash
fighter_kind_Warui = Dr. Robotnik as he's bad
fighter_kind_Poke8 = an Octoling
fighter_kind_MstrChf = chef from overcooked

and so on

 

[Rie Sonomura]

I'd be much more of a jerk with my codenames and make them as confusing as possible

fighter_kind_Min = steve, from Minecraft
fighter_kind_Crash = Min Min, as she won the party crash bash
fighter_kind_Warui = Dr. Robotnik as he's bad
fighter_kind_Poke8 = an Octoling
fighter_kind_MstrChf = chef from overcooked

and so on

that is the most Chaotic Evil thing i've seen

i approve

 

[SNEKeater]

Trying the codename game, Idk if I'll be good at it lol:

fighter_kind_relic
fighter_kind_queen
fighter_kind_mjolnir
fighter_kind_lockpick
fighter_kind_ark
fighter_kind_uncle

 

[Icedragonadam]

Since everyone's doing it right now, I guess I'll join in. Mine would be too obvious I'll try some other ones instead.

fighter_kind_ambassador
fighter_kind_humanity
fighter_kind_sun
fighter_kind_bounty
fighter_kind_commander
fighter_kind_alchemy

SNEKeater : 4 is Sora, and 5 KOS-MOS?

 

[Schnee117]

Trying the codename game, Idk if I'll be good at it lol:

fighter_kind_relic
fighter_kind_queen
fighter_kind_mjolnir
fighter_kind_lockpick
fighter_kind_ark
fighter_kind_uncle

Queen is Sol
Mjonir is Chief
Uncle is Dante

 

[Cosmic77]

If Sakurai really wanted to be cruel, he could start using specific character names and pull the rug out from under us.

fighter_kind_elma = Rex
fighter_kind_waluigi = Paper Mario
fighter_kind_dixie = Cranky Kong
fighter_kind_crash = Gen 8 Pokemon

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

Speaking of codenames, Let’s play a thread game.

It’s simple: Come up with codenames for your most wanted characters.
I’l start:
-Bandana Waddle Dee: fighter_kind_friend
-Waluigi: fighter_kind_cheater
-Tom Nook: fighter_kind_businessman
-Dr. Eggman: fighter_kind_mech
-Steve: fighter_kind_builder
-Chell: fighter_kind_science

-Hayabusa: fighter_kind_dragon
-Doom Slayer: fighter_kind_pinky
-Lara Croft: fighter_kind_manor
-Isaac: fighter_kind_robin
-Master Chief: fighter_kind_sierra
-Rayman: fighter_kind_lum
-Ezio: fighter_kind_eagle
-Dante: fighter_kind_trigger
I like these a lot I may do more later.

 

[Gribbo]

If Sakurai really wanted to be cruel, he could start using specific character names and pull the rug out from under us.

fighter_kind_elma = Rex
fighter_kind_waluigi = Paper Mario
fighter_kind_dixie = Cranky Kong
fighter_kind_crash = Gen 8 Pokemon

Plot twist, Cranky was the one planned for Brawl this whole time.

 

[Mamboo07]

Speaking of codenames, Let’s play a thread game.

It’s simple: Come up with codenames for your most wanted characters.
I’l start:
-Bandana Waddle Dee: fighter_kind_friend
-Waluigi: fighter_kind_cheater
-Tom Nook: fighter_kind_businessman
-Dr. Eggman: fighter_kind_mech
-Steve: fighter_kind_builder
-Chell: fighter_kind_science

Spoiler: Here's mine

(Bold is the code name)
1. Bandana Dee: Waddle
2. Poochy: Canine
3. The Shake King: Pirate
4. Amaterasu: Goddess
5. Crash Bandicoot: Wumpa
6. Heavy: Fortress

 

[CureParfait]

Speaking of codenames, Let’s play a thread game.

It’s simple: Come up with codenames for your most wanted characters.
I’l start:
-Bandana Waddle Dee: fighter_kind_friend
-Waluigi: fighter_kind_cheater
-Tom Nook: fighter_kind_businessman
-Dr. Eggman: fighter_kind_mech
-Steve: fighter_kind_builder
-Chell: fighter_kind_science

Darkrai- fighter_kind_darkhole
MapleStory Thief- fighter_kind_maple
Male Slayer- fighter_kind_oni
Lucid- fighter_kind_nightmare
Blitztank- fighter_kind_tank
Susanoo- fighter_kind_hatred

 

[MisterHollywood]

Here, let me put it another way.


You lost each other while communicating. Thus, it doesn't matter who said something that the person didn't understand. All that matters is you guys aren't on the same understanding anymore. That leaves two options; either try to explain it or move on. Since explanations didn't work, moving on is the only real option here. Make sense?

Another option is you getting off our ***** and letting us sort out the issue ourselves

Here, you need this

Spoiler

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I’ll take this as an apology I guess