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I don't really care too much but I made a roster of characters I think have a good chance for DLC I guess

Some of the picks may be surprising, others not really
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Top- First parties
Middle- Third-parties
Bottom- Echoes (Probably won't happen lol)

Note: Spring-Man is just there as a general ARMS character cause I was too lazy to add a generic icon I guess idk

Please go nice on me :awesome:
replace Violet with Crow and add Pig Ganon and another Kirby character and its pretty decent

also
Copen > Gunvolt
 

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I don't really care too much but I made a roster of characters I think have a good chance for DLC I guess

Some of the picks may be surprising, others not really
View attachment 270783

Top- First parties
Middle- Third-parties
Bottom- Echoes (Probably won't happen lol)

Note: Spring-Man is just there as a general ARMS character cause I was too lazy to add a generic icon I guess idk

Please go nice on me :awesome:
Its hard to say who is really likely or not. They tend to add DLC characters haphazardly either based on a unqiue mechanic or because the series is super popular. So, I'll kind of hit those characters I think could very well happen and those that probably wont.

First party: First, I think Vol 2 will be heavily first party. Interest in Smash is waning over time (as expected) and I think Nintendo would take a lower budget option as the point is to expand the life of the game. This is evidence by ARMS. With that in mind. I think the most likely here are Waluigi, Rex&Pyra and Euden. In Euden's case, it's a brand new IP and Nintendo and Sakurai seem to prefer new worlds when adding DLC. Plus I'm sure Nintendo wouldn't mind giving Dragalia Lost a marketing push. The biggest issue here is the music. I think there are some licensing issues with it and it may make adding Euden difficult. Rex & Pyra are similar in the XC2 is a new world and doesn't have any remixes. This is why I also expect Fiora will not happen since XC1 is already in Smash. Waluigi is just because he's so popular that he'd make a big E3 style reveal. The others I don't see happening. Geno seems to have been passed over with the Mii Fighter costume and I don't think Sakuari or Nintendo are in any rush to add Bandana Dee.

Third Party: This is much broader so it's hard to say who will get in. I think there is potential for any character to get in but there are a few that I think wont happen. The Indie characters (Gunvolt/Shantae) will likely not happen. Nintendo seems to be fine making Indie characters as costumes. If Shovel Knight, Cuphead and Sans are just costumes, I don't have faith that any other indie character will. Rayman's issue is that Nintendo has no interest in adding him. Nintendo was fine adding Ubisoft Mii costumes without adding a Ubisoft character. This doesn't bode well for Rayman. Plus, his games flop in Japan (Legends sold worse than KoF14). Sora I think has too many licensing issues. They probably can't add the Disney characters and Disney is generally hard to work with it seems. I think Nintendo would just stay away from. The rest are fine but the only one I'd say that is particularly likely is Travis. He's been a long requested character and NMH3 is coming to Switch. I think they'd add him to promote the game.

Echos: Nothing to say here except Zack will not happen. I think there are some hoops with FF7 which is why it has so little content (probably to do with Sony). It wont happen.

I will say I'd weight the Nintendo characters higher than the third party ones. If Nintendo started with ARMS, that seems to tell me there will be more Nintendo characters. Moreover, the pool is larger so any one character is less likely to get in. I do think that just because a character gets brought up in the community doesn't mean much for them getting in.

That said, nice post and I wish people would do this more.
 
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Actually I do gotta ask everyone here

How Confident are you guys in your predictions, or how right do you think you will be in the end?
 

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Actually I do gotta ask everyone here

How Confident are you guys in your predictions, or how right do you think you will be in the end?
I'm never confident in my choices, and after watching this thread for several years, a lot of other people shouldn't be confident either.

The only character I'm somewhat comfortable with is a Gen 8 rep, and that's just because it's a first-party game with tons of content to add to Smash. Third-parties are so broad that I don't think I'll ever predict them.
 

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Actually I do gotta ask everyone here

How Confident are you guys in your predictions, or how right do you think you will be in the end?
ARMS is weird. I only got 3 I have any confidence in, due to being main characters/mascots(Spring Man, Ribbon Girl, and Dr. Coyle). Though I don't know enough about Max Brass to say much about him. I don't think popularity will get the spot. Being the main villain is something that seems like a plausible choice, since their role is very important to the series. Otherwise, the two mascots seem reasonable.

I don't expect any Echoes, though. Not that they're impossible(we weren't told they aren't happening in the Fighter's Pass like last time). More than likely, an alt situation if they want more than one ARMS character, is what I'm thinking.
 

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Actually I do gotta ask everyone here

How Confident are you guys in your predictions, or how right do you think you will be in the end?
The only thing I'm confident in is that everyone will be inevitably pissed at the last fighter again.

As for the rest, eh dunno, a SwSh mon will probably find its way in there somewhere, give or take.
 
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Dragon Quest is a bit more forgivable.

I wouldn't know **** about Yakuza were it not for a friend of mine who adores the series.
I'm not talking about the people going "I haven't played that" or "I'm not very familiar with that series". I'm talking about people that go "I've never even HEARD of that before". Those people are lying to try and make a series they don't care about sound less significant than it is.
 
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Wait so you want names you recognize but you refuse to play games that don't completely absorb all your free time? Idk that feels a tad contradictory as if you refuse to play games that don't waste 100 hours od your life, then obviously you don't get to play much stuff, which is the same deal, only instead of strictly playing Nintendo IPs, it's strictly playing 100+ hour games.
...so based on everything you've posted on this topic over the last few days, it seems that you don't believe anyone should want someone in Smash unless they have an encyclopedic knowledge of video games. So what is the point when someone has given anybody the ability to want a character? How many games you you need to have played and enjoyed for that? Who is the authority who gives out that honor?

Please, what is the problem with someone wanting a character in Smash who has only played a few games? This is the kind of elitism that we saw when people were complaining about Steve in Smash: "Ugh, only kids like Minecraft, so Steve isn't a valid request. It's only for memes." It seems like gatekeeping. See also the arguments around Fortnite. I can guarantee that more people know about Fortnite than some obscure Nintendo character, even if they haven't played it.

Yes, I've got fewer names than most people in my list of "I recognize them" and even fewer in my "I want to see them." I'm very likely to not get anyone on my list. Does that not make them valid wishes since I'm not looking at the big names thrown around by PapaGenos or whoever on Youtube? I'm not making a speculative list. It's a wishlist. And heck, if someone else wants to put Shrek or Goku on their wishlist unironically, go ahead. I don't want them, but people are allowed to like what they like.

Also this argument here can die in a fire

I'm so tired of people trying to pretens this is a thing when we've had 3 different aesthetics for humans since Smash 64, anyone unironically using this for Smash is an idiot. Saying this for GG, BB, MK, whatever, those make sense, but Smash's sense of fitting is the equivelant of letting a 3 year old dress themselves, it's an ugly hot mess, but it's ok
And when I was talking about how I thought my character would 'fit,' it wasn't anything about the aesthetics. I know he's too gritty/realistic for most people, who favor cartoony characters. I was talking about the gameplay: how would he interact with characters/mechanics/content already in the game. Why is that not something we're allowed to think about? Isn't that literally what people do when they try to come up with movesets and classic mode routes?

It seems like you're just trying to strawman a lot of what I'm saying, since it's easier to disregard someone who is like "Ugh, nobody deserves to be in Smash except for my obscure character!" instead of someone who is like "I'm not impressed so I won't buy this one. Congrats to the fans though, but it's not for me. I hope I'll get to see someone I like."

I can't sit here and say "I want to see character X from [looks up info] series Y since someone online said they're likely and cool." But sometimes, that's all that discussion here turns to.
Actually I do gotta ask everyone here

How Confident are you guys in your predictions, or how right do you think you will be in the end?
I don't even have predictions. After Sm4sh speculation, Sm4sh DLC, Ultimate speculation, and Ultimate DLC 1, all I know is that Sakurai chooses what he wants. I can't even begin to predict him.

And, as I've pointed out, I really don't know much about too many series, so I can't reasonably speculate. All I can do is have a wishlist...and I know that I tend to leave empty handed.

I'm not talking about the people going "I haven't played that" or "I'm not very familiar with that series". I'm talking about people that go "I've never even HEARD of that before". Those people are lying to try and make a series they don't care about sound less significant than it is.
Again, "I've never heard of it" may just mean "I've never heard of it." Either that or my mom's a liar - I just asked and she hadn't heard of it before. Wonder what else she's lied to me about...
 

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Actually I do gotta ask everyone here

How Confident are you guys in your predictions, or how right do you think you will be in the end?
0 percent of confidence, lol.

I'm relatively confident with Travis, he would be the exception, He isn't one of my most wanteds, but I feel he has a decent chance. If I had to bet, I'd bet that he would be one of the 5 unknown characters.
 
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Actually I do gotta ask everyone here

How Confident are you guys in your predictions, or how right do you think you will be in the end?
I’m not confident in my predictions at all.

.....Which is why I never posted any.:p
 

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Its hard to say who is really likely or not. They tend to add DLC characters haphazardly either based on a unqiue mechanic or because the series is super popular. So, I'll kind of hit those characters I think could very well happen and those that probably wont.

First party: First, I think Vol 2 will be heavily first party. Interest in Smash is waning over time (as expected) and I think Nintendo would take a lower budget option as the point is to expand the life of the game. This is evidence by ARMS. With that in mind. I think the most likely here are Waluigi, Rex&Pyra and Euden. In Euden's case, it's a brand new IP and Nintendo and Sakurai seem to prefer new worlds when adding DLC. Plus I'm sure Nintendo wouldn't mind giving Dragalia Lost a marketing push. The biggest issue here is the music. I think there are some licensing issues with it and it may make adding Euden difficult. Rex & Pyra are similar in the XC2 is a new world and doesn't have any remixes. This is why I also expect Fiora will not happen since XC1 is already in Smash. Waluigi is just because he's so popular that he'd make a big E3 style reveal. The others I don't see happening. Geno seems to have been passed over with the Mii Fighter costume and I don't think Sakuari or Nintendo are in any rush to add Bandana Dee.

Third Party: This is much broader so it's hard to say who will get in. I think there is potential for any character to get in but there are a few that I think wont happen. The Indie characters (Gunvolt/Shantae) will likely not happen. Nintendo seems to be fine making Indie characters as costumes. If Shovel Knight, Cuphead and Sans are just costumes, I don't have faith that any other indie character will. Rayman's issue is that Nintendo has no interest in adding him. Nintendo was fine adding Ubisoft Mii costumes without adding a Ubisoft character. This doesn't bode well for Rayman. Plus, his games flop in Japan (Legends sold worse than KoF14). Sora I think has too many licensing issues. They probably can't add the Disney characters and Disney is generally hard to work with it seems. I think Nintendo would just stay away from. The rest are fine but the only one I'd say that is particularly likely is Travis. He's been a long requested character and NMH3 is coming to Switch. I think they'd add him to promote the game.

Echos: Nothing to say here except Zack will not happen. I think there are some hoops with FF7 which is why it has so little content (probably to do with Sony). It wont happen.

I will say I'd weight the Nintendo characters higher than the third party ones. If Nintendo started with ARMS, that seems to tell me there will be more Nintendo characters. Moreover, the pool is larger so any one character is less likely to get in. I do think that just because a character gets brought up in the community doesn't mean much for them getting in.

That said, nice post and I wish people would do this more.
I don't think that they would add a character because of memes. I also think that Rex's time has passed.
 

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...so based on everything you've posted on this topic over the last few days, it seems that you don't believe anyone should want someone in Smash unless they have an encyclopedic knowledge of video games. So what is the point when someone has given anybody the ability to want a character? How many games you you need to have played and enjoyed for that? Who is the authority who gives out that honor?

Please, what is the problem with someone wanting a character in Smash who has only played a few games? This is the kind of elitism that we saw when people were complaining about Steve in Smash: "Ugh, only kids like Minecraft, so Steve isn't a valid request. It's only for memes." It seems like gatekeeping. See also the arguments around Fortnite. I can guarantee that more people know about Fortnite than some obscure Nintendo character, even if they haven't played it.

Yes, I've got fewer names than most people in my list of "I recognize them" and even fewer in my "I want to see them." I'm very likely to not get anyone on my list. Does that not make them valid wishes since I'm not looking at the big names thrown around by PapaGenos or whoever on Youtube? I'm not making a speculative list. It's a wishlist. And heck, if someone else wants to put Shrek or Goku on their wishlist unironically, go ahead. I don't want them, but people are allowed to like what they like.

And when I was talking about how I thought my character would 'fit,' it wasn't anything about the aesthetics. I know he's too gritty/realistic for most people, who favor cartoony characters. I was talking about the gameplay: how would he interact with characters/mechanics/content already in the game. Why is that not something we're allowed to think about? Isn't that literally what people do when they try to come up with movesets and classic mode routes?

It seems like you're just trying to strawman a lot of what I'm saying, since it's easier to disregard someone who is like "Ugh, nobody deserves to be in Smash except for my obscure character!" instead of someone who is like "I'm not impressed so I won't buy this one. Congrats to the fans though, but it's not for me. I hope I'll get to see someone I like."

I can't sit here and say "I want to see character X from [looks up info] series Y since someone online said they're likely and cool." But sometimes, that's all that discussion here turns to.

I don't even have predictions. After Sm4sh speculation, Sm4sh DLC, Ultimate speculation, and Ultimate DLC 1, all I know is that Sakurai chooses what he wants. I can't even begin to predict him.

And, as I've pointed out, I really don't know much about too many series, so I can't reasonably speculate. All I can do is have a wishlist...and I know that I tend to leave empty handed.

Again, "I've never heard of it" may just mean "I've never heard of it." Either that or my mom's a liar - I just asked and she hadn't heard of it before. Wonder what else she's lied to me about...
The issue with the person who has only played a few games is they have to recognize other people with different tastes exist, and that just by basic statistics, the fewer franchises you enjoy/play, the lower chance you have of seeing characters you like in Smash. The more open you are in inviting new franchises and characters in your life, and the more you've played across a variety of video games, the more likely you are to walk away from Smash reveals with either a happy inclusion or someone you recognize. It's when people who have only played a handful of things then get frustrated and angry their specific tastes weren't met that it becomes more of a problem. And parts of the Smash fandom have a tendency to warp ideas around their own personal tastes rather than meet the increasingly diverse world of Smash that invites more content from across the spectrum.

It's also worth pointing out that this is a Speculation Thread and that gets tossed by the way side a bit too often because simply put, the act of speculating requires you to make calls on what is and isn't coming and sometimes recognize characters chances even if you don't like them (Chibi Robo I'll come back to as my example, I ****ing love him, but Nintendo literally set him on fire two years ago and he isn't coming back). This isn't supposed to be a wishlist thread, and there are other places for that. If you want to discuss the chances of characters on your wish list? Absolutely fine, but that's not really the primary purpose of having an open speculation thread like this. It's important to separate a wish list from an approach to speculation at times and understand that specifically here people tend to lean on the speculation part and more general character discussions that pop up rather than just exactly who they want.
 

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I don't think that they would add a character because of memes. I also think that Rex's time has passed.
This. While ARMS is a brand new IP and they no doubt want to promote something new with ARMS, Xenoblade 2 hasn't had any advertising lately, and its spotlight is being eclipsed by Xenoblade 1 Definitive Edition, due by the end of the month.

doubtful whether they'd include another Xenoblade 1 rep (much as I'd LOVE Fiora) but I can see Xenoblade X Definitive Edition happening later on, and it could give Elma's chances a much needed boost
 
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This. While ARMS is a brand new rep and they no doubt want to promote something new with ARMS, Xenoblade 2 hasn't had any advertising lately, and its spotlight is being eclipsed by Xenoblade 1 Definitive Edition, due by the end of the month.

doubtful whether they'd include another Xenoblade 1 rep (much as I'd LOVE Fiora) but I can see Xenoblade X Definitive Edition happening later on, and it could give Elma's chances a much needed boost
Considering Elma is who you'd prefer, I wonder if that's the main reason why you doubt Rex. I'd think they'd listen to the outcry when planning this pass, now that they have a chance to.
 

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Another thing to point out with Rex is that Xenoblade already has a character in Smash that can do legwork for the series with Xenoblade Chronicles 2 content already in the game to make an ever bigger point of things. Shulk ironically comes right back to being the best advertising character they could ask for in the most recent Xenoblade title without Nintendo having to push him again or do the work. Nintendo has stated that they like Smash being a gateway to their IPs, and Shulk already can handle that role pretty damn well (and IMO better than Rex ever could because he's an actually likable protagonist lol) for Xenoblade. That doesn't mean Rex can't come, it's just that he's not as necessary at this time to advertise Xenoblade with the current set of circumstances. Whereas ARMS' entire issue was that it literally only had Spirits in the game, and if Nintendo wants to push ARMS again in the future, using Smash as a gateway is something they actively have to make happen now with an ARMS inclusion.

I dunno, I just don't see much evidence of a first party swing after Smash 4 DLC and Fighter's Pass Volume 1 still have a lot of attention to third parties. Plus, Nintendo has already took a lot of their major first parties out of the running yet again, including their two brand new and pretty damn successful IPs in Astral Chain and Ring Fit Adventure with post additional DLC announcement Spirits.
 

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Considering Elma is who you'd prefer, I wonder if that's the main reason why you doubt Rex. I'd think they'd listen to the outcry when planning this pass, now that they have a chance to.
Except he promotes nothing and even got a DLC Mii Fighter costume that was added as a consolation prize because they couldn't make him playable due to timing. Said costume was also bundled with the first Fighter Pass.
 

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Except he promotes nothing and even got a DLC Mii Fighter costume that was added as a consolation prize because they couldn't make him playable due to timing. Said costume was also bundled with the first Fighter Pass.
The ARMS content the base game was also a consolation prize.
 

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The ARMS content the base game was also a consolation prize.
ARMS just had Spirits and Mii Costumes and nothing else. No character, no stage, not even music. XC2 at least got music.
Waluigi has been incredibly popular. Reggie has been asked in interviews why Waluigi is not in Smash.

Also, not sure you can say Rex's time has passed when we are getting a character from ARMS, a game that released before XC2.
Nintendo is actively trying to make ARMS popular again, unlike with XC2.
 
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Actually I do gotta ask everyone here

How Confident are you guys in your predictions, or how right do you think you will be in the end?
Well Simon and Byleth are the only newcomers I've been sure of that ended up getting in.
I'm confident Arle and Cinderace are in the pass. Arle has legacy and is requested highly in Japan, and Cinderace is showing some very clear Grencineroar signs.
Fire Emblem and Granblue are also definitely getting a newcomer this pass. Granblue I can see getting it's most popular character, whoever that may be. FE I can see getting whoever the protagonist of the next title is.
 

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...so based on everything you've posted on this topic over the last few days, it seems that you don't believe anyone should want someone in Smash unless they have an encyclopedic knowledge of video games. So what is the point when someone has given anybody the ability to want a character? How many games you you need to have played and enjoyed for that? Who is the authority who gives out that honor?

Please, what is the problem with someone wanting a character in Smash who has only played a few games? This is the kind of elitism that we saw when people were complaining about Steve in Smash: "Ugh, only kids like Minecraft, so Steve isn't a valid request. It's only for memes." It seems like gatekeeping. See also the arguments around Fortnite. I can guarantee that more people know about Fortnite than some obscure Nintendo character, even if they haven't played it.

Yes, I've got fewer names than most people in my list of "I recognize them" and even fewer in my "I want to see them." I'm very likely to not get anyone on my list. Does that not make them valid wishes since I'm not looking at the big names thrown around by PapaGenos or whoever on Youtube? I'm not making a speculative list. It's a wishlist. And heck, if someone else wants to put Shrek or Goku on their wishlist unironically, go ahead. I don't want them, but people are allowed to like what they like.


And when I was talking about how I thought my character would 'fit,' it wasn't anything about the aesthetics. I know he's too gritty/realistic for most people, who favor cartoony characters. I was talking about the gameplay: how would he interact with characters/mechanics/content already in the game. Why is that not something we're allowed to think about? Isn't that literally what people do when they try to come up with movesets and classic mode routes?

It seems like you're just trying to strawman a lot of what I'm saying, since it's easier to disregard someone who is like "Ugh, nobody deserves to be in Smash except for my obscure character!" instead of someone who is like "I'm not impressed so I won't buy this one. Congrats to the fans though, but it's not for me. I hope I'll get to see someone I like."

I can't sit here and say "I want to see character X from [looks up info] series Y since someone online said they're likely and cool." But sometimes, that's all that discussion here turns to.

I don't even have predictions. After Sm4sh speculation, Sm4sh DLC, Ultimate speculation, and Ultimate DLC 1, all I know is that Sakurai chooses what he wants. I can't even begin to predict him.

And, as I've pointed out, I really don't know much about too many series, so I can't reasonably speculate. All I can do is have a wishlist...and I know that I tend to leave empty handed.


Again, "I've never heard of it" may just mean "I've never heard of it." Either that or my mom's a liar - I just asked and she hadn't heard of it before. Wonder what else she's lied to me about...
I'm not saying your wishes aren't valid but when you admit the pool of games you play is small and how you want characters from that pool, you're just saying the same thing but with a different coat of paint, I'm not saying it's bad to want stuff, I'm saying it's bad to limit your pool of knowledge by choice and then be unhappy when it turns out your limited choices didn't end up making the cut.


Dude, the whole point of my "this argument can die in a fire" only means that I think it's a nonissue for potential characters, that part of my post is an argument IN FAVOUR of Dragonborn, I just chose to say it's a bull**** argument used by dishonest people, how is it making a strawman out of you when it's in your favour? Strawman arguments are supposed to be negative
 

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ARMS just had Spirits and Mii Costumes and nothing else.
And an assist trophy. You know, the thing that makes people debate on whether or not Spring Man will be the rep, and how far he'd open the gates?
 

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Well Simon and Byleth are the only newcomers I've been sure of that ended up getting in.
I'm confident Arle and Cinderace are in the pass. Arle has legacy and is requested highly in Japan, and Cinderace is showing some very clear Grencineroar signs.
Fire Emblem and Granblue are also definitely getting a newcomer this pass. Granblue I can see getting it's most popular character, whoever that may be. FE I can see getting whoever the protagonist of the next title is.
FE's next title might not even come out during the time frame of FP2, Arle faces stiff competition, Cinderace is deconfirmed, and Granblue also faces stiff competition.
 

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I don’t think ARMS means anything for any other character except for an ARMS character. The context of the choice is different, so the circumstances that get us Spring Man or Min-Min or whoever, really can’t apply to another upgrade. The closest thing to that, in my mind, is Rex because of how close it was to add the character to the game.

Just doesn’t seem to line up if ARMS is used to say, “See?! Waluigi can get in!” Sure, anybody can get in...as long as the circumstances line up for them.
 

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I don’t think ARMS means anything for any other character except for an ARMS character. The context of the choice is different, so the circumstances that get us Spring Man or Min-Min or whoever, really can’t apply to another upgrade. The closest thing to that, in my mind, is Rex because of how close it was to add the character to the game.

Just doesn’t seem to line up if ARMS is used to say, “See?! Waluigi can get in!” Sure, anybody can get in...as long as the circumstances line up for them.
The circumstances do not line up for Rex. Nintendo is not promoting XC2 at all, and all attention is placed on the first XC because of the Definitive Edition coming out this month. He is also a DLC Mii Fighter costume, which does not bode well for his chances.
 

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As another thing, I will note that the Smash fanbase is more inclusive since the Smash Wii U/3DS days. It was extremely gatekeepy with particular 3rd parties especially after Snake got shut out. I’d say Cloud kinda tore that up again.

I think it’s a perfect storm right now in that this game could very well be finished once Challenger Pack 11 is done, and many folks will not get their “favorite” characters. I suspect some folks are actually worried that their favs won’t be added, which is only natural. I get the feeling. I myself am wholeheartedly rooting for characters like Dante, Rex and Pyra, 2B, and others such as Crash Bandicoot.

I think it’s worth having a background in a variety of games, because with more knowledge comes an expanded appreciation of Smash in general.

The circumstances do not line up for Rex. Nintendo is not promoting XC2 at all, and all attention is placed on the first XC because of the Definitive Edition coming out this month. He is also a DLC Mii Fighter costume, which does not bode well for his chances.
That is why I said the “closest”, and not that I thought he stood an amazing chance or something.

The only circumstance that helps him is that he was close to being in base. If that doesn’t help him, nothing will in my opinion.
 

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FE's next title might not even come out during the time frame of FP2, Arle faces stiff competition, Cinderace is deconfirmed, and Granblue also faces stiff competition.
I still say depending on how the Arms will go Cinderace is not deconfirmed. If the Arms reps breaks spirit rule every spirited character is on the table again, although I admit being a Jill Valentine supporter I play the waiting game considering the Arms rep could also massively backfire if its for example Max Brass
 

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I still say depending on how the Arms will go Cinderace is not deconfirmed. If the Arms reps breaks spirit rule every spirited character is on the table again, although I admit being a Jill Valentine supporter I play the waiting game considering the Arms rep could also massively backfire if its for example Max Brass
I'm saying that it only applies to Spirits in the base game, and that DLC Spirits are still deconfirmations.
 

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I'm saying that it only applies to Spirits in the base game, and that DLC Spirits are still deconfirmations.
Unless Cinderace got a Spirit, then no, it's not disconfirmed.

What happened is we got a few Spirits for various Gen VIII Pokemon. Not every single important and notable Pokemon from that Generation.

It doesn't mean it's getting a character either, obviously. But it's not the same situation as giving all the main ones Spirits. This isn't like Resident Evil, etc. It's simply a different context.
 

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The issue with the person who has only played a few games is they have to recognize other people with different tastes exist, and that just by basic statistics, the fewer franchises you enjoy/play, the lower chance you have of seeing characters you like in Smash. The more open you are in inviting new franchises and characters in your life, and the more you've played across a variety of video games, the more likely you are to walk away from Smash reveals with either a happy inclusion or someone you recognize. It's when people who have only played a handful of things then get frustrated and angry their specific tastes weren't met that it becomes more of a problem. And parts of the Smash fandom have a tendency to warp ideas around their own personal tastes rather than meet the increasingly diverse world of Smash that invites more content from across the spectrum.

It's also worth pointing out that this is a Speculation Thread and that gets tossed by the way side a bit too often because simply put, the act of speculating requires you to make calls on what is and isn't coming and sometimes recognize characters chances even if you don't like them (Chibi Robo I'll come back to as my example, I ****ing love him, but Nintendo literally set him on fire two years ago and he isn't coming back). This isn't supposed to be a wishlist thread, and there are other places for that. If you want to discuss the chances of characters on your wish list? Absolutely fine, but that's not really the primary purpose of having an open speculation thread like this. It's important to separate a wish list from an approach to speculation at times and understand that specifically here people tend to lean on the speculation part and more general character discussions that pop up rather than just exactly who they want.
Don't worry, I know. And I'm not getting angry that someone else won the lottery. Sometimes I will get introduced to something new, like with Resident Evil. But that doesn't always happen.

Honestly, I'm in this thread more to keep us with the news. I like when someone comes in with a fun little forum game since it's a chance to be creative and think about what my favorites would be like in Smash, but speculation is really tough for this game. After all, based on precedent, how many of the 5 DLC characters packs so far were a name that was thrown around a lot? Banjo, and that's about it. Sure, people talked about DQ and Terry, but those weren't any of the big names floating around before.

Besides, the character threads tend to turn into echo chambers, and that's assuming they're alive. There are only a few that get regular traffic unless they're named in a leak. That said, I did enjoy right before Byleth's release since it was the first time I actually remember people talking about characters I like.

Again, I'm not too up on a lot of characters, but I do have some general speculation. I can't name anyone, but I don't think that I'm being biased here:

Based on what we got, I'm not sure if this is gonna end up being some fanservice pack. Maybe we'll get one or two fan requests, but I don't think there'll be a lot. Which means the other three characters are likely to come out of nowhere. People will see them as important in hindsight, but they'll likely not be central names that people bring up (and fake leaks put in) constantly.

I'm still really of the opinion that Spring Man with alts is likely to be the ARMS character, but I don't think that'll open the door to everyone getting promotions. If any other Assist gets the upgrade, I'd expect Waluigi, but that looks pretty unlikely right now. Sure the others have fanbases, but I don't think they'll get bumped up. Sprits may get a chance, but the ones that have been added since release in Spirit events (like the RE crew) I think are also DOA.

I'm also really expecting another heavily 3rd party focused pass. Those reaction videos always show the most excitement, so absolutely I'd expect ARMS is probably the only first party, or maybe there's one other (and it'll likely be promotional). I'm only half-joking if I suggest that E3 2021 will introduce the next Fire Emblem game, with that protagonist as the last DLC character for Smash.

I'd also expect that definitely one or two of the third parties is going to be Western as Smash is getting a more global perspective. We'll likely also get at least one or two extra names in the copyright as well.

I'm also not expecting echoes. People are talking about a few other datamined slots, but we haven't gotten any bonus DLC outside of the Plant, and that was clearly planned for base since it has the Paly's guidance written and voiced. I don't remember about the database structure of the characters, but wasn't it mentioned that alt costumes (using a new mesh) will fill multiple character slots? As in, Joker takes 2 slots since the has the trenchcoat and the school uniform? So the extra slots could suggest that we'll get a bunch of alts with these - again makes sense, since Banjo and Terry are the only ones who just have recolors.

So what do I expect? Springman with alts, two Western characters, two Japanese third-parties, and another first party from a newer game. I'd expect of the third parties, one for meach will be a big fan request, and the other will be a sensible but dark horse inclusion.
 

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Unless Cinderace got a Spirit, then no, it's not disconfirmed.

What happened is we got a few Spirits for various Gen VIII Pokemon. Not every single important and notable Pokemon from that Generation.

It doesn't mean it's getting a character either, obviously. But it's not the same situation as giving all the main ones Spirits. This isn't like Resident Evil, etc. It's simply a different context.
Well, Fire Emblem Three Houses didn't get a Spirit Event because Byleth got in. If there was going to be a Gen 8 Pokemon playable they wouldn't have even done a Spirit Event in the first place and instead those Spirits would have been bundled with the fighter.
 

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Well, Fire Emblem Three Houses didn't get a Spirit Event because Byleth got in. If there was going to be a Gen 8 Pokemon playable they wouldn't have even done a Spirit Event in the first place and instead those Spirits would have been bundled with the fighter.
Pokemon would absolutely not intentionally squander multiple opportunities to promote their game by condensing them into 1 late-into-it's-life announcement. Having a Spirit Event when the game releases and a newcomer announced when the game is getting new DLC expansions would only benefit interest in their game.
 

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Well, Fire Emblem Three Houses didn't get a Spirit Event because Byleth got in. If there was going to be a Gen 8 Pokemon playable they wouldn't have even done a Spirit Event in the first place and instead those Spirits would have been bundled with the fighter.
And that doesn't matter because you're ignoring the context here.

FE3H could've easily had two events if they needed to. They don't lack tons of spirits.

Unlike Pokemon, which has well over 12 different major spirits, FE3H is a bit lacking. They really didn't have the same kind of options that Pokemon has. Never mind that we have DLC Pokemon, which did not exist yet. They could easily have a second spirit event, with or without a character, and it'd make a ton of sense.

Again, different contexts. We aren't lacking in major Pokemon to even show off as Spirits or playable. This makes it an entirely different situation. Now, if the spirits were all 3 final Starters and the core Legendaries, plus way more, it might be somewhat closer to the FE3H factor. However, thanks to DLC, there's new major characters not yet in Smash as Spirits or otherwise. There's an actual reason for a second set of spirits.

That's why overall it's just not remotely the same situation.
 

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Actually I do gotta ask everyone here

How Confident are you guys in your predictions, or how right do you think you will be in the end?
Not very confident honestly.
If any of my predictions or most wanteds got in I would be really happy not just because I want them in but because it would probably be a miracle that any of them actually got in.
 
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