Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[Cosmic77]

Sometimes I wonder if fans would legitimately be upset if Zacian got in as the Gen 8 rep. Technically it qualifies as another blue-haired anime swordsman.

 

[HansShotFirst20]

Sometimes I wonder if fans would legitimately be upset if Zacian got in as the Gen 8 rep. Technically it qualifies as another blue-haired anime swordsman.

stop

 

[Will]

All these clowns saying it's Cinderace or Rillaboom for the Pokemon rep, like they don't know its gonna be Grovyle

People still have hope for a Mystery Dungeon rep after all these years?

 

[HansShotFirst20]

People still have hope for a Mystery Dungeon rep after all these years?

I mean, we did just get Mystery Dungeon DX, so it's less of a stretch than it's been previously.

Grovyle's my #1 pokemon pick until a Gen IV remake (that's totally happening don't deny me my hope) justifies Garchomp and/or Cynthia

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Sometimes I wonder if fans would legitimately be upset if Zacian got in as the Gen 8 rep. Technically it qualifies as another blue-haired anime swordsman.

This kind of behaivour makes me regret ever arguing that dog fighters aren't impossible and that "but how would they hold items" is an excuse to pretend to sound justified so congratulations, I hope Sakurai proves me wrong

 

[HansShotFirst20]

This kind of behaivour makes me regret ever arguing that dog fighters aren't impossible and that "but how would they hold items" is an excuse to pretend to sound justified so congratulations, I hope Sakurai proves me wrong

I remember when the google 'leak' happened, and people argued that Artorias couldn't be a character because his arm is broken so he can't hold items.

Then it turned out to be B.S. (probably from MarioTehPlumber) anyway, so it didn't matter anyway

 

[Cutie Gwen]

I remember when the google 'leak' happened, and people argued that Artorias couldn't be a character because his arm is broken so he can't hold items.

Then it turned out to be B.S. (probably from MarioTehPlumber) anyway, so it didn't matter anyway

That stunt from MTP is hilarious because Artorias is such an out there choice yet it gave people a Dark Souls character to stand behind. For real, my friend who's practically married the series said he didn't care if it was in Smash yet when I said "Hey a rumour says Artorias is in" his eyes opened so wide of excitement they looked like they were gonna fall out lmao

 

[Deleted member]

Sometimes I wonder if fans would legitimately be upset if Zacian got in as the Gen 8 rep. Technically it qualifies as another blue-haired anime swordsman.

I really need to fulfill that one bet where I play Gen 8 soon just so I know what's up. I wanna accept Zacian, but dude literally just looks like a wolf with a sword, and that feels more like a roaming legendary (EG: Suicune or Entei) than the legendary.

In Smash, he'd probably be alright.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

I think the worst part about waiting for June isn’t knowing who the character is or being able to download them

it’s not knowing how awesome that trailer will be, they wouldn’t pass up CGI trailers at this point

 

[Guybrush20X6]

You tire yourselves out with Cinderace vs Rillaboom, then Falinks will march in and take the invite!

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[HansShotFirst20]

You tire yourselves out with Cinderace vs Rillaboom, then Falinks will march in and take the invite!

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This but unironically so I can roleplay Leonidas the entire time I play them

 

[Cosmic77]

Mystery Dungeon could get a rep, but Smash has a horrible track record with representing spin-offs on the roster, and Pokemon is one of the worst franchises when it comes to representing spin-offs period.

Unless we count Yoshi and Wario (who let's be honest, are in Smash because of Super Mario, not their respective franchises), the only real spin-off character repping a spin-off franchise is Dr. Mario, and even then he's just a last-minute clone who isn't even separated from the other Mario characters despite having practically nothing to do with any of the main series games.

It'd be easier to picture if Mystery Dungeon had content in Smash after three different games since its debut, but it's basically been nonexistent.

 

[Diddy Kong]

All these clowns saying it's Cinderace or Rillaboom for the Pokemon rep, like they don't know its gonna be Grovyle

Rillaboom and Grovyle are at least interesting Grass starters. Could get behind that honestly. Sceptile too! I mean, I liked that idea since Ruby / Sapphire, along with Blaziken.

Then again am pretty damn sure it's gotta be some Pokémon from Sword and Shield. I brought Sword, but honestly, the game doesn't really interest me as much shamefully... So I just do what I always do; play another route of Fire Emblem Three Houses.

Sometimes I wonder if fans would legitimately be upset if Zacian got in as the Gen 8 rep. Technically it qualifies as another blue-haired anime swordsman.

Knowing Sakurai, he'll probably implement the character so that it can switch between Sword and Shield mode. Zamazenta was the name of the Shield Pokémon right? I could get behind the idea of that honestly.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

This but unironically so I can roleplay Leonidas the entire time I play them

Want me to add you to the support thread?

 

[HansShotFirst20]

Want me to add you to the support thread?

go for it I guess

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

This kind of behaivour makes me regret ever arguing that dog fighters aren't impossible and that "but how would they hold items" is an excuse to pretend to sound justified so congratulations, I hope Sakurai proves me wrong

I do wonder how Zacian would hold items though since it's already holding a sword its mouth.

Actually, the idea of a dog that can shoot a gun with its tongue while also having a sword jammed in the back of its mouth sounds both hilarious and super cool at the same time...

 

[KillerCage]

Thunder Thighs

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He's just doing his best Gerbera Tetra cosplay, and hey, at least Chrom and Frederick look good.

I'm not sure if you are aware, but Rex is a salvager who dives into the Cloud Sea to haul up relics.
This is why he has those "thunder thighs"; Rex is a deep sea diver and his armor protects him from the pressure exerted by the ocean above him.

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

I'm not sure if you are aware, but Rex is a salvager who dives into the Cloud Sea to haul up relics.
This is why he has those "thunder thighs"; Rex is a deep sea diver and his armor protects him from the pressure exerted by the ocean above him.

This has already been brought up with the rebuttal of "it still shouldn't look so dumb while he's not diving".

 

[HansShotFirst20]

I'm not sure if you are aware, but Rex is a salvager who dives into the Cloud Sea to haul up relics.
This is why he has those "thunder thighs"; Rex is a deep sea diver and his armor protects him from the pressure exerted by the ocean above him.

I've said this like 5 times.

There being an explanation for it in-universe != it looking good

Plus there's no reason for the thunder thighs to be there when he's not diving -- much less with the exposed short-shorts

I'm not gonna talk about ****ing xc2 anymore today

 

[Cosmic77]

I really need to fulfill that one bet where I play Gen 8 soon just so I know what's up. I wanna accept Zacian, but dude literally just looks like a wolf with a sword, and that feels more like a roaming legendary (EG: Suicune or Entei) than the legendary.

In Smash, he'd probably be alright.

Just depends on how you look at Zacian's design. Personally, I really like it because I was dreading some type of Keldeo clone who had a sword jutting out of their forehead, or even worse, a biped, humanoid creature who held a sword in its hand. Its design is simple, but it's also very different from existing Pokemon.

The Legendaries are also one of the few things SwSh's story was really good at covering. There's a nice gradual buildup that makes them feel important, rather than just randomly throwing them in at the end or forcing them into the story like a lot of Pokemon games tend to do. At the very least, you'll find their role to be more important than the boxart Legendaries from the other 3D Pokemon Gens.

I do wonder how Zacian would hold items though since it's already holding a sword its mouth.

Actually, the idea of a dog that can shoot a gun with its tongue while also having a sword jammed in the back of its mouth sounds both hilarious and super cool at the same time...

Zacian has control of its ribbon-like fur like Sylveon. It can use them to sheathe its sword.

 

[HansShotFirst20]

<mfw the Doomguy, Cacodemon, Geno, and Mallow mii costumes all release with Min Min in June

 

[SNEKeater]

Except FE: Awakening has:

- Good character design
- Good writing and dialogue
- Good voice acting
- A good combat system
- 99% fewer tutorials

(This is also true of Three Houses and P5, and then P5 has its amazing visual style on top of that)

I like Awakening a lot, but the game isn't precisely the FE that pops up in my mind when I think about good writing... not saying the game's writing is horrible, it has good moments, but not a lot more. Same for the story, which still nice, has some questionable plotholes. Maybe XC2 writing isn't a lot better, but story-wise despite having a slow start (a thing that almost every JRPG has, I should say) ends being a lot more epic, specially if the player has played the first Xenoblade.
Less tutorials, well, the tutorials are there but we should remember that Awakening is a very friendly game for newcomers to the series. And while the game added some new mechanics like the pair up (which btw was really broken in Awakening, luckily they fixed it with Fates), the game's still pretty easy if you're playing in the standard difficulty.

In the other hand XC2 brings more differences in comparison to XC1, even having played 1 before 2 I had a hardest time with some of the bosses from XC2 than with the entirety of Awakening. Also, XC2 battle system, while could be explained better, has more depth and the action is in real time. In Fire Emblem there are turns, so even if you're really bad at strategy games you can still take a breath and study all the options you have in battle before making a decision. Obviously that's not the case with XC2, and facing enemies 2-3 levels above yours usually means that the player has barely room for mistakes.

Besides that, yeah, Awakening's gameplay is good despite of pair up being super broken, but the overall quality of the map designs are average, honestly. Fates Conquest did a better job with that by a long way, (chapter 10 of Conquest must be one of the best map in the entire series) a game that btw was more challenging than Awakening.

I agree with the good voice acting in Awakening, personally I think Shadows of Valentia had the best voice acting of the series. But XC2 english dub wasn't bad besides Rex in the first 5, 6? chapters and some side characters. As someone said the other day, the english dub of the game barely had any direction or context of their lines.

I'd say an ARMS character is a fighting game rep, it's just that it's not in the same vain as a traditional fighting game as Street Fighter or Fatal Fury. Video game genres all have tons of diversity, like how Mario and Mega Man are different types of platformers.

As HansShotFirst said, yeah, ARMS is a fighting game. It isn't a puzle game or a FPS game. But an ARMS character isn't precisely the pick that will appeal the FGC community. Even if Nintendo sometimes seems really blind, I can't think of them believing that adding Spring Man to the game will appeal the same group of fans that adored Terry's inclusion.
Having an ARMS rep doesn't kill the chances for another fighting rep. Of course, that doesn't mean we will get a FGC pick in the pass, that's just up to Nintendo and Sakurai, but as I have said they're not that dumb to think that ARMS will please those fans.

 

[Hydreigonfan01]

<mfw the Doomguy, Cacodemon, Geno, and Mallow mii costumes all release with Min Min in June

I'm really unsure about Cacomallow at this point. If the Mii Costumes were ready in November waiting in June for them would be very strange. The more time proceeds, the more likely that it's fake.

 

[HansShotFirst20]

As HansShotFirst said, yeah, ARMS is a fighting game. It isn't a puzle game or a FPS game. But an ARMS character isn't precisely the pick that will appeal the FGC community. Even if Nintendo sometimes seems really blind, I can't think of them believing that adding Spring Man to the game will appeal the same group of fans that adored Terry's inclusion.
Having an ARMS rep doesn't kill the chances for another fighting rep. Of course, that doesn't mean we will get a FGC pick in the pass, that's just up to Nintendo and Sakurai, but as I have said they're not that dumb to think that ARMS will please those fans.

Reminder that Sakurai himself was a competitive Fatal Fury player -- he definitely has a sense of what appeals to the FGC

also can we stop talking about XC2

I'm really unsure about Cacomallow at this point. If the Mii Costumes were ready in November waiting in June would be very strange. The more time proceeds, the more likely that it's fake.

I've been on team fake ever since Doomguy wasn't FP4 or FP5

 

[Cosmic77]

In other news, Nintendo posted this a while ago.

There have been lots of exciting memories created since the launch of Super #SmashBrosUltimate. Check out this compilation to celebrate & reminisce on some of the biggest moments so far.

What have been some of your favorite Super Smash Bros. Ultimate moments or highlights? pic.twitter.com/RNMuC2F5bk

— Nintendo of America (@NintendoAmerica) March 31, 2020

They tried their best with Byleth.

 

[Lamperouge]

In other news, Nintendo posted this a while ago.

There have been lots of exciting memories created since the launch of Super #SmashBrosUltimate. Check out this compilation to celebrate & reminisce on some of the biggest moments so far.

What have been some of your favorite Super Smash Bros. Ultimate moments or highlights? pic.twitter.com/RNMuC2F5bk

— Nintendo of America (@NintendoAmerica) March 31, 2020

They tried their best with Byleth.

RogersBase had the perfect reaction to Byleth and they opted for Miss Click instead?

 

[Michael the Spikester]

In other news, Nintendo posted this a while ago.

They tried their best with Byleth.

The announcement ofand

I'd saytoo but at that time I was no longer into Nintendo until bouncing back in upon my great kings reveal which sparked back my childhood.

 

[HansShotFirst20]

In other news, Nintendo posted this a while ago.

There have been lots of exciting memories created since the launch of Super #SmashBrosUltimate. Check out this compilation to celebrate & reminisce on some of the biggest moments so far.

What have been some of your favorite Super Smash Bros. Ultimate moments or highlights? pic.twitter.com/RNMuC2F5bk

— Nintendo of America (@NintendoAmerica) March 31, 2020

They tried their best with Byleth.

>using some egirl's reaction

>not using Maximilian Dood's reaction

>not using Etika's reaction

alright I can get why a family-friendly corporate twitter wouldn't use an Etika reaction

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

RogersBase had the perfect reaction to Byleth and they opted for Miss Click instead?

I guess they didn't want it to be the RogersBase reaction show.

 

[DarthEnderX]

Hah, RogersBase is always such a ham.

E're body out there stealing Maximillion's catchphrase.

They tried their best with Byleth.

Lol, right? Must have dug deep for that clip.

 

[HansShotFirst20]

E're body out there stealing Maximillion's catchphrase.

surely you mean Maximilian

 

[Rie Sonomura]

In other news, Nintendo posted this a while ago.

There have been lots of exciting memories created since the launch of Super #SmashBrosUltimate. Check out this compilation to celebrate & reminisce on some of the biggest moments so far.

What have been some of your favorite Super Smash Bros. Ultimate moments or highlights? pic.twitter.com/RNMuC2F5bk

— Nintendo of America (@NintendoAmerica) March 31, 2020

They tried their best with Byleth.

This makes me want a new trailer already

 

[Al-kīmiyā']

the franchise where the game reminds you that you shot people in the groin and fed them vulture meat after said vultures ate a human corpse in MGS3

Jesus, if there was any doubt in my mind as to whether or not Snake should be in Smash, this dispelled it.

 

[Ace C.R.O.S.S.]

Clearly many people haven't seen what all XBX had to offer in terms of side content where there's a lot of fanservice outfits and how the Japanese verson had a bust slider where you can make the chest bigger than Pyra's.

Come on, you know. There's a lot of jiggle scenes during special moves, there's KOS-MOS's special moves, there's a lot of referencing to spanking when it comes to Reiji and Xiaomi interactions (including a skill move that can be used during the over map), there's a hot spring scene in Project X Zone 2, in Project X Zone 2's opening there's that one scene with Sheath and Saya. There's a lot of lewdness in that series, and there's more than what I reference.

Uh, yeah... I know what are you talking about, but is it more than XBC2?

 

[DarthEnderX]

surely you mean Maximilian

*checks youtube*

Apparently I do.

 

[N3ON]

>using some egirl's reaction

>not using Maximilian Dood's reaction

>not using Etika's reaction

alright I can get why a family-friendly corporate twitter wouldn't use an Etika reaction

I'm 99% sure all the reactors in the video are Nintendo partners, and that's why their reactions were used.

 

[Rikarte]

Considering all the safety measurements they've taken to keep Byleth from getting leaked I really can't imagine Cacomallow being real, especially this far in advance. The video has been sitting on Youtube for 5 months now and Nintendo hasn't shown any reaction at all. Meanwhile comparable harmless stuff like the KOS-MOS mod trailer gets taken down...

 

[Will]

it's a shame they didn't include the banjo reaction where the dude hops with his chair and then ****ing explodes

 

[HansShotFirst20]

I'm 99% sure all the reactors in the video are Nintendo partners, and that's why their reactions were used.

I see.

In any case, Dood is definitely one of my top 3 gaming youtubers/streamers. He brings a passion, but also insight, into the games he loves that few other people do.

 

[Deleted member]

Maybe XC2 writing isn't a lot better, but story-wise despite having a slow start (a thing that almost every JRPG has, I should say) ends being a lot more epic

I mean, the slow start is more an issue with gameplay than story. If we wanna talk about story just in the first chapter:

Spoiler: Xenoblade Chronicles 2 Spoilers

1. Nobody seriously thought to tell Rex not to touch Pyra? With how in the dark Rex is kept and aggressive Malos is, you'd think they would give strict orders to him not to touch the thing they were hunting.
2. Why kill all of the divers? You can argue this is to hide attention from recovering Pyra, but I think a large swath of workers hired by Bana suddenly disappearing would attract greater attention. They literally cooperate with Bana as shown in Ch 4 when they rescue him. What good does it do to cut ties when he's an infamous black market dealer who can ruin your entire operation with his connections?
3. Addendum: Why keep Nia in the dark about any of this if you're just gonna do it in front of her anyways? She's an active team member and it's not like Torna treated her maliciously. In fact, why bring her along at all when Malos and Jin are the most competent fighters anyways?
4. Why did Malos fight Rex & Pyra alone when capturing Pyra is one of their most crucial goals in their plan? Noteworthy is that Pyra is considered one of the most dangerous weapons on the entire planet and Malos is revealed to have his ass personally kicked by Mythra in the past, so fighting her solo and weakened is a stupid idea, especially when Jin could just end the battle literally at the speed of light.
5. It's revealed later that Pyra actively wants to die and can just self-eliminate herself, so why can't she do that? No, Rex is not holding her back. She can literally remove the connection she has with Rex as shown in Chapter 10. If your goals were suicide, Malos and Jin were more than happy to oblige.
6. Furthermore, did she actually need Rex to awaken outside of her capsule? It looks like she could just bust out whenever and there's no correlation to "reviving dead boy -> spiritual awaken."
7. How did Gramps know where Rex was and why did he only show up at the very tail end of the fight?
8. If they needed someone from Rex's hometown, why did Malos test Rex in Bana's office. There is no point to that when all you need is his bloodline and not his combat skills. If anything you ****ed yourself over more by choosing the guy with combat experience than kidnapping some random kid from Rex's hometown.

You know you're in for a treat of a story when you realize in the first couple of hours the story should have ended immediately. Not because of luck, but inept writing.

Awakening's writing was definitely lukewarm, but that story's issue was promising set-up, bad payoff. This is just doing things and expecting the player to nod their heads. In the end, there's no satisfying payoff because everything is so inconsistent and unearned.

I enjoy both games a lot so I'm not doing this out of malice. But as you can tell, I don't enjoy them for the story and I gotta call it out. I like their attempt though.