Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[SKX31]

Opossum chrom is a ****ing lameo, a total loser dad unlike the chad SIGURD

But can Sigurd Chromcide? He's on a damn horse, it'd look funky.

 

[masterluigi1]

As someone who is using being around during Brawl speculation as a point of pride, it's kinda weird to see you claim Smashboards is the only Smash forum ever, when during the Brawl era there was another pretty notable one.

lol I was being sarcastic.. someone asked who I was with others claiming I didn't know what I was talking about. And yes I had an account on the official Nintendo forums during that time before it closed down.

 

[Lamperouge]

>playing XC2 with English voices

 

[Will]

But can Sigurd Chromcide? He's on a damn horse, it'd look funky.

Spoiler: FE4

You don't have to Chromicide if you're already dead.

 

[N3ON]

lol I was being sarcastic.. someone asked who I was with others claiming I didn't know what I was talking about. And yes I had an account on the official Nintendo forums during that time before it closed down.

Figures this is the only reply of mine that would garner the details being critiqued. ;P

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

I dunno, this guy seems to think all leaks are BS. He sounds pretty sharp to me!

Leaks aren't BS when they're actually leaks and not someone just saying random crap to get attention. Unfortunately (or fortunately depending on how you look at it) we get more of the latter than the former.

>playing XC2 with English voices

Spoiler: Image

Because I don't speak Japanese and like to listen to characters that I can understand. Also I pretty much never take issue with a voice actor's performance. Probably because I'm young.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

>playing XC2 with English voices

I love how the most even this statement is something I disagree on with XB2 fans because I always make it a point to **** on the direction instead of the actors who literally weren't able to do a better job due to the garbage circumstances as if this was a pre-2000 game

 

[Evil Trapezium]

Anyone remember this old thing?

Ah yes, DLC for Smash 4.

 

[Louie G.]

I'm certain that if Rhythm Heaven was a platformer or an RPG we wouldn't even be having that conversation.

Smash is a celebration of all sects of gaming and Nintendo history. For me the weird deep cut characters are some of the most fun! Creating a character around music and rhythm is such an obvious direction for such a huge roster and it's a real shame we don't have any character that fulfills this.

 

[Will]

Creating a character around music and rhythm is such an obvious direction for such a huge roster and it's a real shame we don't have any character that fulfills this.

Does Lucas count? Mother 3's battle system has rhythm based regular attacks.

 

[Louie G.]

Does Lucas count? Mother 3's battle system has rhythm based regular attacks.

Mother 3 is actually my favorite game of all time, I love it for many reasons including its focus on music. While it's a stretch to call Lucas a "rhythm game character", IIRC his jab actually does more damage when done to a beat... so that's something!

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

That sounds more like cancelling an attack like how you can go from c5S to f5S in Guilty Gear due to the Gatling system, not a timing challenge

Perhaps the timed hit should be a bit more beneficial than the untimed hit, but I think the approach is much better than "You messed up your Forward Tilt! You shall now fall on your butt for a big punish even though the first hit in the chain actually landed!" which is what I think most people picture when the mechanic is brought up.

 

[masterluigi1]

Figures this is the only reply of mine that would garner the details being critiqued. ;P

Pretty sure I adressed all your points but at this point everyone is replying to me. Hard to reply to everyone.
But basically all of it revolves around an icon lol. That's pretty weak. Never denied the leak was legit to some degree but to claim that the chorus kid were factually planned based on a leak that had literally ONE unlikely prefiction(WFT) in its first part then in its second part got wrong a bunch of things is pretty dumb to me.

 

[Will]

Never denied the leak was legit to some degree

How can something be partially legit? It either is or it isn't.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Perhaps the timed hit should be more beneficial than the untimed hit, but I think the approach is much better than "You messed up your Forward Tilt! You shall now fall on your butt for a big punish even though the first hit in the chain actually landed!" which is what I think most people picture when the mechanic is brought up.

Thing is, that's the point of timed hits, it's like why L-cancel is an objectively bad mechanic, there's no reason not to do it. Timed hits is literally "Get it right and you get rewarded" but there's no situation you'd want to get it wrong

 

[Louie G.]

But basically all of it revolves around an icon lol. That's pretty weak. Never denied the leak was legit to some degree but to claim that the chorus kid were factually planned based on a leak that had literally ONE unlikely prefiction(WFT) in its first part then in its second part got wrong a bunch of things is pretty dumb to me.

Your denial of this is like if I argued that, for some reason, those Mewtwo Roy and Dixie Kong files existed in Brawl... but they were never ever planned for the game and the Forbidden 7 is a big fluke. Nobody in their right mind is arguing this though. You say you're hearing this icon evidence (listed under playable characters, yes) but I don't think you are, because you go back and say the leak is the only evidence when it very clearly isn't

The Sneaky Spirit in Smash Run doubles down on this being, again, the only Nintendo enemy that exists in Smash Run and can't be tied to a playable (or previously playable) fighter. A Rhythm Heaven character was planned, lmao.

 

[masterluigi1]

How can something be partially legit? It either is or it isn't.

Most legit leakers get false information... this is nothing new. It's hard to think of one leaker ever that's always been correct.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Pretty sure I adressed all your points but at this point everyone is replying to me. Hard to reply to everyone.
But basically all of it revolves around an icon lol. That's pretty weak. Never denied the leak was legit to some degree but to claim that the chorus kid were factually planned based on a leak that had literally ONE unlikely prefiction(WFT) in its first part then in its second part got wrong a bunch of things is pretty dumb to me.

"This is a series icon right?"
"Yeah"
"This series icon was located in the file for characters, correct?"
"Yup"
"Then by extension, at some point a rhythm heaven character was planned to be playable"
"Uh huh"
"Then the gematsu leak had all the characters correct, but was made outdated by changes in plans"
"There's no evidence that points to that."

 

[DarthEnderX]

Leaks aren't BS when they're actually leaks and not someone just saying random crap to get attention.

Nope. All leaks are BS all the time. And the ones that aren't were just lucky guesses.

are you okay in the head or are you just trying to find ways to insult him without doing it directly

No, I can assure you, you basically saying "You haven't been on this video game message board for years and made thousands of posts!" is not an insult to HIM.

People who use that argument to try and undermine someone else's viewpoint are always hilarious to me. As if having less of a life makes their viewpoint more valid.

 

[EricTheGamerman]

Honestly this make me sad, but I have to agree. Rhythm heaven did some pretty ok-ish sales on the DS, but then for some reason each game (Fever and Mégamix) did less sales than the previous one. Not only I doubt we'll ever see Rhythm heaven in Smash with a playable characters, but I doubt we'll see the franchise ever again. It just seems that Nintendo didn't really cared about those games and they will probably just let the franchise die.

I mean, Nintendo did give it a shot, and I remember that they tried to push Fever a fair bit, but it just never went anywhere. Megamix got screwed though as a download only title for sure and just not really getting any promotion, but by then the series had shown an increasingly clear decline in sales. Kind of seems like all the "minigame collection" type titles have kind of fallen out of public favor altogether.

 

[Schnee117]

How can something be partially legit? It either is or it isn't.

Some people can add/get fake info amongst the true info.
It happened with Three Houses leaks last year and the DMC V leaker added in some fake smash info.

But that didn't happen to Gematsu beyond getting reveal dates wrong for Shulk.

 

[Luigi The President]

Pretty sure I adressed all your points but at this point everyone is replying to me. Hard to reply to everyone.
But basically all of it revolves around an icon lol. That's pretty weak. Never denied the leak was legit to some degree but to claim that the chorus kid were factually planned based on a leak that had literally ONE unlikely prefiction(WFT) in its first part then in its second part got wrong a bunch of things is pretty dumb to me.

First off, this:

"This is a series icon right?"
"Yeah"
"This series icon was located in the file for characters, correct?"
"Yup"
"Then by extension, at some point a rhythm heaven character was planned to be playable"
"Uh huh"
"Then the gematsu leak had all the characters correct, but was made outdated by changes in plans"
"There's no evidence that points to that."

Also why are you so eager to deny this leak that got TWO out of 11 things wrong. One of which was barely even wrong, Sakurai himself said Chrom was to be playable? The only thing the leaks POTENTIALLY could've gotten wrong is the Rhythm Heaven character, which as we've proved to you 10 times now, was in the plans.

Sakurai isn't gonna text you back dude

 

[Will]

No, I can assure you, you basically saying "You haven't been on this video game message board for years and made thousands of posts!" is not an insult to HIM.

Then clearly, if it was an insult, it would have to go to someone. It surely isn't me.

Some people can add/get fake info amongst the true info.
It happened with Three Houses leaks last year and the DMC V leaker added in some fake smash info.

But that didn't happen to Gematsu beyond getting reveal dates wrong for Shulk.

I was asking in context of Gematsu.

It's hard to think of one leaker ever that's always been correct.

What about Shinobi?

 

[Lamperouge]

I love how the most even this statement is something I disagree on with XB2 fans because I always make it a point to **** on the direction instead of the actors who literally weren't able to do a better job due to the garbage circumstances as if this was a pre-2000 game

Yeah, I know that a bunch of the actors have talent and were crippled by terrible direction. It's a damn shame too because I vastly prefer the dub of XC1 over the JPN voices.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Yeah, I know that a bunch of the actors have talent and were crippled by terrible direction. It's a damn shame too because I vastly prefer the dub of XC1 over the JPN voices.

Yeah, cause Adam Howden yelling "I'LL KILL YOUUUU" sounds like he's on the verge of breaking down on the spot due to the combination of shock, sorrow and rage. The "What did I just?" line before that has Shulk sound dazed in the JP version yet Howden managed to convey a more realistic delivery of "The **** just happened? What's going on?". Also JP Dunban makes me cry

 

[Hydreigonfan01]

>playing XC2 with English voices

I played on English because of Welsh Cat Girl.

 

[Calamitas]

Also JP Dunban makes me cry

That's Captain Falcon you're disrespecting there. Also Vegeta.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

That's Captain Falcon you're disrespecting there. Also Vegeta.

Captain Falcon's a toku hero, he's allowed to be campy as **** unlike a crippled war hero and the king of all vegemite

 

[Lamperouge]

Yeah, cause Adam Howden yelling "I'LL KILL YOUUUU" sounds like he's on the verge of breaking down on the spot due to the combination of shock, sorrow and rage. The "What did I just?" line before that has Shulk sound dazed in the JP version yet Howden managed to convey a more realistic delivery of "The **** just happened? What's going on?". Also JP Dunban makes me cry

Alright, I agree with everything else but you don't diss Vegeta like that.

 

[Idon]

I played on English because of Welsh Cat Girl.

Finally, some culture.

 

[Al-kīmiyā']

Nope. All leaks are BS all the time. And the ones that aren't were just lucky guesses.

No, I can assure you, you basically saying "You haven't been on this video game message board for years and made thousands of posts!" is not an insult to HIM.

People who use that argument to try and undermine someone else's viewpoint are always hilarious to me. As if having less of a life makes their viewpoint more valid.

Luigi was talking about speculation at that time. If he wasn't around, then he has less authority on that point. I think most eye witness testimony from years ago on something as vague as salience of a topic is pretty useless, though.

 

[Calamitas]

Alright, I agree with everything else but you don't diss Vegeta like that.

Dude can't even Ultra Instinct lmao

Captain Falcon's a toku hero, he's allowed to be campy as **** unlike a crippled war hero and the king of all vegemite

Excuse you, he's no king but a prince. The prince of all the vegetables.

 

[Cap'n Jack]

The more I play New Horizons and look at how huge of a success this game is in terms of sales, the more I think Tom Nook should be a playable character. He is a missing Nintendo All-Star at this point

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

Thing is, that's the point of timed hits, it's like why L-cancel is an objectively bad mechanic, there's no reason not to do it. Timed hits is literally "Get it right and you get rewarded" but there's no situation you'd want to get it wrong

You do have a point, though that's kind of how the Rhythm Heaven series works; you get nothing for failure. I think it's worth including for flavor even if it doesn't present much of an effect in gameplay. And of course, it's going to require a lot more thought for actual implementation, and may even become something more meaningful along the way. Perhaps just injecting rhythm into the characters attacks without requiring the more precise inputs from the player (as in, it doesn't matter if you're mashing, the attacks will come out rhythmically) will suffice.

Or more likely, we won't ever get a Rhythm Heaven character and you won't have to deal with the mechanic at all, ever.

Excuse you, he's no king but a prince. The prince of all the vegetables.

Didn't his father die when his planet was destroyed? Wouldn't that make him king?

 

[GoodGrief741]

Thing is, that's the point of timed hits, it's like why L-cancel is an objectively bad mechanic, there's no reason not to do it. Timed hits is literally "Get it right and you get rewarded" but there's no situation you'd want to get it wrong

It's not about wanting to get it wrong, it's about being bad at timing like I am.

 

[N3ON]

Nope. All leaks are BS all the time. And the ones that aren't were just lucky guesses.

This is one of the most baffling takes around because literally all it does is show people you refuse to or are incapable of acknowledging reality.

 

[masterluigi1]

"This is a series icon right?"
"Yeah"
"This series icon was located in the file for characters, correct?"
"Yup"
"Then by extension, at some point a rhythm heaven character was planned to be playable"
"Uh huh"
"Then the gematsu leak had all the characters correct, but was made outdated by changes in plans"
"There's no evidence that points to that."

correct me if I'm wrong but the list of icons in the fighter file included Nintendogs, and balloonfighter according to what I read on sourcegaming... either way icons are a weak arguement to act like its a fact.

 

[Opossum]

The more I play New Horizons and look at how huge of a success this game is in terms of sales, the more I think Tom Nook should be a playable character. He is a missing Nintendo All-Star at this point

Personally I'd prefer Blathers. He's the best.

 

[Cap'n Jack]

Perhaps he’d be more interesting, but Tom Nook feels missing from the line-up in a post-New Horizons world

 

[Cosmic77]

The more I play New Horizons and look at how huge of a success this game is in terms of sales, the more I think Tom Nook should be a playable character. He is a missing Nintendo All-Star at this point

I wouldn't mind a third AC character, but comparing Tom Nook to an ARMS character is a pretty good way to illustrate why I don't think he'll happen in this pass.

One character has obvious moveset potential from the get-go. The other would have to be made from scratch and would require a lot of creative thinking.