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https://s.inside-games.jp/article/2020/02/26/127623.html

Over 3000 votes.
85.7% male, 8.3% female, 5% no answer.
10's 54.7%, 20's 32%, 30's 6%, 40's 1%, 50's 0.5%, no answer 4.7%.

15. Geno 26 votes
14. Goku 32 votes
13. Reimu 42 votes
12. Kirito 50 votes
11. Saber 52 votes
10. Steve 55 votes
9. Arle 56 votes
8. Sephiroth 59 votes
7. Bandana Dee 64 votes
6. Crash 65 votes
5. 2B 70 votes
4. Rex 74 votes
3. Hunter 80 votes
2. Dante 92 votes
1. Sora 290 votes
That gap from 1 to 2 though

This is part of the reason I think people sleep on the esteem in which Sora finds himself. I truly believe he's closer to the ranks of the DLC from last time (bar Bayo) over the DLC of this time (bar Hero), which is a bracket in sparse supply.
 

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https://s.inside-games.jp/article/2020/02/26/127623.html

Over 3000 votes.
85.7% male, 8.3% female, 5% no answer.
10's 54.7%, 20's 32%, 30's 6%, 40's 1%, 50's 0.5%, no answer 4.7%.

15. Geno 26 votes
14. Goku 32 votes
13. Reimu 42 votes
12. Kirito 50 votes
11. Saber 52 votes
10. Steve 55 votes
9. Arle 56 votes
8. Sephiroth 59 votes
7. Bandana Dee 64 votes
6. Crash 65 votes
5. 2B 70 votes
4. Rex 74 votes
3. Hunter 80 votes
2. Dante 92 votes
1. Sora 290 votes
I like that some people's reasonings are included. Funny to see similar comments, like wanting Arle to have another puzzle rep.

Plus all the relevancy comments.
 
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https://s.inside-games.jp/article/2020/02/26/127623.html

Over 3000 votes.
85.7% male, 8.3% female, 5% no answer.
10's 54.7%, 20's 32%, 30's 6%, 40's 1%, 50's 0.5%, no answer 4.7%.

15. Geno 26 votes
14. Goku 32 votes
13. Reimu 42 votes
12. Kirito 50 votes
11. Saber 52 votes
10. Steve 55 votes
9. Arle 56 votes
8. Sephiroth 59 votes
7. Bandana Dee 64 votes
6. Crash 65 votes
5. 2B 70 votes
4. Rex 74 votes
3. Hunter 80 votes
2. Dante 92 votes
1. Sora 290 votes
This is quite interesting to say the least.
 

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https://s.inside-games.jp/article/2020/02/26/127623.html

Over 3000 votes.
85.7% male, 8.3% female, 5% no answer.
10's 54.7%, 20's 32%, 30's 6%, 40's 1%, 50's 0.5%, no answer 4.7%.

15. Geno 26 votes
14. Goku 32 votes
13. Reimu 42 votes
12. Kirito 50 votes
11. Saber 52 votes
10. Steve 55 votes
9. Arle 56 votes
8. Sephiroth 59 votes
7. Bandana Dee 64 votes
6. Crash 65 votes
5. 2B 70 votes
4. Rex 74 votes
3. Hunter 80 votes
2. Dante 92 votes
1. Sora 290 votes
This is a tiny ass poll and I don't think it should be used for any actual data but Geno being behind Goku who's also behind Kirito is ****ing hilarious
 

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https://s.inside-games.jp/article/2020/02/26/127623.html

Over 3000 votes.
85.7% male, 8.3% female, 5% no answer.
10's 54.7%, 20's 32%, 30's 6%, 40's 1%, 50's 0.5%, no answer 4.7%.

15. Geno 26 votes
14. Goku 32 votes
13. Reimu 42 votes
12. Kirito 50 votes
11. Saber 52 votes
10. Steve 55 votes
9. Arle 56 votes
8. Sephiroth 59 votes
7. Bandana Dee 64 votes
6. Crash 65 votes
5. 2B 70 votes
4. Rex 74 votes
3. Hunter 80 votes
2. Dante 92 votes
1. Sora 290 votes
Never thought I see Kirito on a smash poll.
 

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https://s.inside-games.jp/article/2020/02/26/127623.html

Over 3000 votes.
85.7% male, 8.3% female, 5% no answer.
10's 54.7%, 20's 32%, 30's 6%, 40's 1%, 50's 0.5%, no answer 4.7%.

15. Geno 26 votes
14. Goku 32 votes
13. Reimu 42 votes
12. Kirito 50 votes
11. Saber 52 votes
10. Steve 55 votes
9. Arle 56 votes
8. Sephiroth 59 votes
7. Bandana Dee 64 votes
6. Crash 65 votes
5. 2B 70 votes
4. Rex 74 votes
3. Hunter 80 votes
2. Dante 92 votes
1. Sora 290 votes
Is this just a random Japanese news website? Not to say we should ignore those 3000+ responses, but seeing Kirito in the Top 15 amazes me not knowing the specific demographic that answered this. Anyway, yeah, Sora seems pretty right. This still goes to show what a cluster**** we have in the speculation scene right now. Source Gaming's poll probably won't look any better or much different.
 

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That gap from 1 to 2 though

This is part of the reason I think people sleep on the esteem in which Sora finds himself. I truly believe he's closer to the ranks of the DLC from last time (bar Bayo) over the DLC of this time (bar Hero), which is a bracket in sparse supply.
I also think people sleep on Sora's popularity during the Ballot era as well. A lot of it happened outside of the core fanbase, but pretty much the entire KH fanbase rallied together to vote for Sora. KH Youtubers with tens of thousands of subscribers were constantly making videos and Twitter posts reminding people to vote for Sora. Casual fans got in on it too, which led to a lot of people voting for Sora. I'd also say Sora's had a consistent presence in fan polls since then as well.

Sora's very much a popular want for Smash.
 

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https://s.inside-games.jp/article/2020/02/26/127623.html

Over 3000 votes.
85.7% male, 8.3% female, 5% no answer.
10's 54.7%, 20's 32%, 30's 6%, 40's 1%, 50's 0.5%, no answer 4.7%.

15. Geno 26 votes
14. Goku 32 votes
13. Reimu 42 votes
12. Kirito 50 votes
11. Saber 52 votes
10. Steve 55 votes
9. Arle 56 votes
8. Sephiroth 59 votes
7. Bandana Dee 64 votes
6. Crash 65 votes
5. 2B 70 votes
4. Rex 74 votes
3. Hunter 80 votes
2. Dante 92 votes
1. Sora 290 votes
this is a pretty weird poll result to say the least.
 

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https://s.inside-games.jp/article/2020/02/26/127623.html

Over 3000 votes.
85.7% male, 8.3% female, 5% no answer.
10's 54.7%, 20's 32%, 30's 6%, 40's 1%, 50's 0.5%, no answer 4.7%.

15. Geno 26 votes
14. Goku 32 votes
13. Reimu 42 votes
12. Kirito 50 votes
11. Saber 52 votes
10. Steve 55 votes
9. Arle 56 votes
8. Sephiroth 59 votes
7. Bandana Dee 64 votes
6. Crash 65 votes
5. 2B 70 votes
4. Rex 74 votes
3. Hunter 80 votes
2. Dante 92 votes
1. Sora 290 votes
How can we live in a world where Kirito got more votes than Goku for Smash Bros? Reset the world, unplug it and plug it back in.
 

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>People still voting for Goku despite Sakurai deconfirming non-game characters like him and Iron Man.

I can't even...Ugh I give up...
 

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This is a tiny ass poll and I don't think it should be used for any actual data but Geno being behind Goku who's also behind Kirito is ****ing hilarious
Compared to others, 3000+ participants is a pretty notable size. Could be bigger, but no poll is getting over 10000 participants unless someone like Alpharad runs it themselves.
 
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Is this just a random Japanese news website? Not to say we should ignore those 3000+ responses, but seeing Kirito in the Top 15 amazes me not knowing the specific demographic that answered this. Anyway, yeah, Sora seems pretty right. This still goes to show what a cluster**** we have in the speculation scene right now. Source Gaming's poll probably won't look any better or much different.
It's not really a random site. Not the biggest, but not a minor as well.
The poll they had last time before Joker reveal only got 986 votes.
https://s.inside-games.jp/article/2018/11/24/118908.html

5. Crash 30 votes
4. Geno 35 votes
3. Sora 50 votes
2. Rex 71 votes
1. Bandana Dee 92 votes

No one really in the Japanese smash speculation scenes knew they were having a poll so I think those votes are mostly coming from the subscribers of that news site.
 

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Source Gaming's poll probably won't look any better or much different.
Idk, in a western top fifteen I suspect you'd see Travis, Master Chief, Doom Guy, possibly Rayman, Scorpion, Shantae and/or Isaac, and Waluigi - who frankly I'm surprised wasn't on this list. Ditto with Phoenix Wright. Meanwhile I doubt you'd see Reimu, Kirito, Saber, or Arle in the top fifteen. And imo Sephiroth, Hunter and Rex are borderline. If nothing else they'd be towards the bottom.

And I reckon the order in general would be pretty different as well. Geno and Crash would certainly be higher in the west.

I also think people sleep on Sora's popularity during the Ballot era as well. A lot of it happened outside of the core fanbase, but pretty much the entire KH fanbase rallied together to vote for Sora. KH Youtubers with tens of thousands of subscribers were constantly making videos and Twitter posts reminding people to vote for Sora. Casual fans got in on it too, which led to a lot of people voting for Sora. I'd also say Sora's had a consistent presence in fan polls since then as well.

Sora's very much a popular want for Smash.
His popularity seems more apparent on sites outside this one, which is strange considering he is one of a very small number of third-parties to have popularity which has endured since around Brawl times. Even others such as Bomberman or Ryu Hayabusa have seen relatively drastic dips and resurgences, whereas Sora has been much steadier.

>People still voting for Goku despite Sakurai deconfirming non-game characters like him and Iron Man.

I can't even...Ugh I give up...
People probably don't pay attention to every Sakurai excerpt like we do. It's not like he said that thing in a Direct.

Compared to others, 3000+ participants is a pretty notable size. Could be bigger, but no poll is getting over 10000 participants unless someone like Alpharad runs it themselves.
And then the trouble with polls run by personalities is it's going to be made up largely of their fanbase, who usually have their biases coloured by the person they've congregated around. Like, when papagenos conducts a poll, I assume the results would skew more towards Geno than if someone else were helming it.
 

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So Smash 4 Battlefield was nothing. Ok.

And that japanese poll... they still vote for anime characters... meh.

Anyway, the fact that the most voted character got 290 votes out of 3000 (less than 10%) and the second one has got only 92 votes (about 3%) means that the situation is pretty confused right now. Most of the big ones are already in, and with third parties being a thing there aren't obvious choices anymore. Yeah, Sora seems to have more following than the others, but still, Sora aside, it's a big mess...

I like that some people's reasonings are included. Funny to see similar comments, like wanting Arle to have another puzzle rep.

Plus all the relevancy comments.
I still don't get why people vote based on relevancy and not for what they actually want. You have a chance to ask for your dream character, who cares if it's obscure or forgotten. K Rools and Banjos happen sometimes.

What the **** is a Kirito?
It's just another Marth semiclone but from an anime.
 

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Oh come on, no one's hating on that list. One or two choices are getting flack because they're anime characters, which happens when polls here have an anime character chart too.
 
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I also think people sleep on Sora's popularity during the Ballot era as well. A lot of it happened outside of the core fanbase, but pretty much the entire KH fanbase rallied together to vote for Sora. KH Youtubers with tens of thousands of subscribers were constantly making videos and Twitter posts reminding people to vote for Sora. Casual fans got in on it too, which led to a lot of people voting for Sora. I'd also say Sora's had a consistent presence in fan polls since then as well.

Sora's very much a popular want for Smash.
Someone earned more votes than Bayonetta and managed to break into the Snake/Veterans tier was failed in his/her negotiation. I only can see Sora tbh.
 

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Ok but Kirito in the top 15 is ****ing crazy and you know it
And I love it
Someone earned more votes than Bayonetta and managed to break into the Snake/Veterans tier was failed in his/her negotiation. I only can see Sora tbh.
I'd bet money they tried for Sora during Sm4sh DLC era and failed. The question is whether they tried again, and if they did, when.

My crack theory is that Sora is Fighter 11, and it was either a Sonic in Brawl situation where Disney previously rejected it but opened the door again later on their own terms, and Sakurai and co. couldn't pass up the opportunity, or a Dragon Quest in Ultimate situation where Sakurai and Nintendo went for a Hail Mary and somehow pulled it off.

I acknowledge it's a crack theory so don't take it seriously before you shoot me for it.
 
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I think Cory Baxter is the only anime character who could get in. I still remember that big crossover episode with Nintendo when Mario and Luigi were out cold, leaving Cory and his friends to stop Bowser and some weird new villain possessing him.
 
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Oh come on, no one's hating on that list. One or two choices are getting flack because they're anime characters, which happens when polls here have an anime character chart too.
Some people be sprinkling "I hate the Smash fanbase" rhetoric so they can gain clout from the Smash fanbase. Genius.
 
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Someone earned more votes than Bayonetta and managed to break into the Snake/Veterans tier was failed in his/her negotiation. I only can see Sora tbh.
I guess Sora is the only one where failed negotiations seem unsurprising, but frankly Banjo and K. Rool reaching that popularity tier seems pretty plausible as well.
 

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Is it bad if I understand like zero of this post?

Ah. Okay. It's an anime character.

Wait how is he above Goku?
Sword Art Online is a huge anime, both in the West and Japan. There's a reason A1 Pictures keeps making it.

The mobile game for it just got a crossover with Persona 5.

Yes, this is real.
I guess Sora is the only one where failed negotiations seem unsurprising, but frankly Banjo and K. Rool reaching that popularity tier seems pretty plausible as well.
I don't think Ayumi was saying no other character reached that tier. More so that a character reached that tier and then failed negotiations.

That's gotta be Sora.
 
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Some people be sprinkling "I hate the Smash fanbase" rhetoric so they can gain clout from the Smash fanbase. Genius.
It's funny because some of the "look how negative we are" comments actually bring more negativity than the comments being commented on.
 
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Sword Art Online is a huge anime, both in the West and Japan. There's a reason A1 Pictures keeps making it.

The mobile game for it just got a crossover with Persona 5.
Huh. Well I know its huge but to see a character from it trounce both Geno and Goku is unheard of for me. Probably just the fact that it's a random internet Smash Bros poll, though.

Also Gentlepanda Gentlepanda
 

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Imagine your character being beat out by an anime/manga character lol. Nice to see Saber, Dante, 2B, and Sora up there.
 

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Ignoring the non anime characters on that poll, the fact that Reimu and Saber seriously managed to get in the top list even if it's not as many votes and managed to beat out Geno is a bit amazing and I imagine a lot of people are gonna be upset at this Japanese poll.

But still good to see some fresher faces getting acknowledgment.
 

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That's it, Sakurai is cancelled. You are telling me we aren't getting Smash 4 battlefield?

I don't like the version with the frozen rayman, the old one is far cooler
 

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Ignoring the non anime characters on that poll, the fact that Reimu and Saber seriously managed to get in the top list even if it's not as many votes and managed to beat out Geno is a bit amazing and I imagine a lot of people are gonna be upset at this Japanese poll.

But still good to see some fresher faces getting acknowledgment.
Considering how massive Touhou and Fate Stay Night are in Japan, it’s probably not surprising they got on the list.
 

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And then the trouble with polls run by personalities is it's going to be made up largely of their fanbase, who usually have their biases coloured by the person they've congregated around. Like, when papagenos conducts a poll, I assume the results would skew more towards Geno than if someone else were helming it.
I agree to an extent, but a large poll should be able to limit the bias enough to let us see what the majority demands. Like, a poll ran by Alpharad would probably have Lyn and his meme of the month rank unusually high, but the most wanted characters (Sora and Crash and whatnot) will come out on top regardless.
 

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Considering how massive Touhou and Fate Stay Night are in Japan, it’s probably not surprising they got on the list.
Oh trust me, I'm aware how huge they are. I just never thought Japan would seriously consider the two of them besides mere meme picks and it was ironically, a Western thing people wanted them in. Especially since I keep hearing stuff about how divisive they are in Japan for Smash.
 
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