Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[perfectchaos83]

So what rumors are alive ATM?

How's the one about Crash as no. 6?

That's alive by merit of nothing contradicting it. But that doesn't mean much.

 

[N3ON]

Minecraft content in Super Smash Bros. is inevitable.

I am absolutely confident that Nintendo and Microsoft have at least discussed the possibility of Minecraft in Smash. They both know a DLC pack would sell very, very well.

And I'm quite certain that Sakurai himself recognizes not only the appeal of a fighter with a unique focus on crafting and resource management in their moveset, but also the appeal of Minecraft as a whole when it comes to SSBU being the Ultimate crossover in gaming history.
We shouldn't underestimate the sheer cultural importance of Minecraft. Even people who don't like or understand it have at least heard of it. Few games have that distinction.

Minecraft is to zoomers what Pokémon is to millennials: an enduringly popular international cultural phenomenon within the gaming world that has expanded to every entertainment medium.
Minecraft pioneered a new subgenre of gaming.
There are Minecraft toys, clothes, books, bedding, decorations, and costumes. Not just in gaming shops but in major retailers. There's a major feature length Minecraft film in the works. The only other gaming franchises I see with this much merchandise are Super Mario and Pokémon.
And now Minecraft is the best selling video game of all time. Minecraft sells, and its owners want it everywhere.

The replies I get in response to my posts regarding Minecraft frame it as if I've said the series is tiny and forgettable or something.

In fact, in that post you quoted I mentioned how I believed Microsoft was amenable to proliferating the license of the IP.

I think it may be pertinent that people actually check to see if I'm talking down a series before they write paragraphs defending it...

 

[DevaAshera]

If this doesn't show how little power Bamco has in this relationship then I don't know what will.

Or Bandai Namco just didn't fight him on it. Its possible, even likely, that they don't particularly care too much which design is used. They still use Classic Pac-Man for promotional material often.
I even saw a Namco brand claw machine at a Wal-Mart that had an official 'Help Wanted - Bandai Namco' poster on it using the Super Smash Bros. for Wii U Pac-Man render.

 

[Evil Trapezium]

I made a Pac-Man Alt resembles the ghosts when they are eaten. The entire blue and white color schemes but I can’t seem to find where I put it. I might just make another one.

In my opinion, Pac-Man is the sort of character where alternate costumes only look good if you change the colour of his gloves and boots or slightly tint the colour of his skin like Pikachu.

 

[Guybrush20X6]

That's alive by merit of nothing contradicting it. But that doesn't mean much.

In the land of the dead, the breathing man is king... if that's how it went.

 

[Invisible Shiny Bulbasaur]

The replies I get in response to my posts regarding Minecraft frame it as if I've said the series is tiny and forgettable or something.

In fact, in that post you quoted I mentioned how I believed Microsoft was amenable to proliferating the license of the IP.

I think it may be pertinent that people actually check to see if I'm talking down a series before they write paragraphs defending it...

Oh, I wasn't attacking your post or even disagreeing with you. Sorry if I came across that way! Some of what I wrote are things I've been thinking about for some time. I quoted your post because I felt like you had already steered the conversation in a direction where my thoughts were now relevant to the discussion at hand, and I felt like I could add to some of your points.
I did read your post. But I also typed my reply while on my way to work surrounded by other people talking, so I was a bit distracted and ended up rambling.

 

[Renmazuo]

Or Bandai Namco just didn't fight him on it. Its possible, even likely, that they don't particularly care too much which design is used. They still use Classic Pac-Man for promotional material often.
I even saw a Namco brand claw machine at a Wal-Mart that had an official 'Help Wanted - Bandai Namco' poster on it using the Super Smash Bros. for Wii U Pac-Man render.

It's less about Bamco fighting him and more about Sakurai plainly stating that if they didn't give him the design he wanted he would have just dropped the character outright. No reps for Bamco period.

 

[N3ON]

Oh, I wasn't attacking your post or even disagreeing with you. Sorry if I came across that way! Some of what I wrote are things I've been thinking about for some time. I quoted your post because I felt like you had already steered the conversation in a direction where my thoughts were now relevant to the discussion at hand, and I felt like I could add to some of your points.
I did read your post. But I also typed my reply while on my way to work surrounded by other people talking, so I was a bit distracted and ended up rambling.

Ah, my bad; the two posts didn't really seem too related to each other since mine was more about the unknowable factors of negotiating.

 

[Knight Dude]

So by the time they finish the second fighters pass we'll be at 81 characters he's something fun they say there gonna keep going till they get to 100 fill in 76 to 100 with whoever you want I want to see what everyone's rosters would look like

Neat idea. Granted, I can only think of like 5 to 10 I'd REALLY want. But I'll try. 24 characters right? I'd personally doubt we'll get to 100, but we'll see.

Spoiler

Mega Man X
Jin Kazama
Ryu Hayabusa
Dante
Wonder-Red
Elma
Dixie Kong
Lara Croft
Chun-Li
Fulgore
Crash
Master Chief
Tails
Shovel Knight
Spyro
Isaac
Spring-Man
Sylux
Chibi Robo
Phoenix Wright
Maxwell
Metal Slug(character changes with costume)
Bill Rizer
Sub-Zero

This list was actually a bit hard to make since there's only a handful of them I'd actively would really want. Though I'm sure I could've switched in someone like Nightmare or Shantae or Jill or Klonoa and so on.

 

[SpectreJordan]

So by the time they finish the second fighters pass we'll be at 81 characters he's something fun they say there gonna keep going till they get to 100 fill in 76 to 100 with whoever you want I want to see what everyone's rosters would look like

I believe that Assist Trophies & DLC spirits deconfirm characters, but I’m going to ignore that for this.

76.) Waluigi
77.) Dixie Kong
78.) Impa
79.) Isaac
80.) Eevee
81.) Magolor
82.) Ribbon Girl
83.) Akira Howard
84.) Ring Fit Adventurer
85.) Master Chief
86.) Sora
87.) Doom Slayer
88.) Crash Bandicoot
89.) 2B
90.) Jill Valentine
91.) Dante
92.) Minecraft Steve
93.) Heihachi
94.) Ryu Hayabusa
95.) Lara Croft
96.) Dovahkiin
97.) Dr Eggman
98.) Chun-Li
99.) Shovel Knight
100.) Frisk

 

[Knight Dude]

I would try to keep this semi-realistic, but **** it, time to make the most self-indulgent roster humanly possible

99. Carl "CJ" Johnson

I forgot to add CJ to my BS "Let's get to 100 list." Let's say he'd be 101. So that we can tagline "NOW WITH MORE THAN 100 characters!".

 

[KillerCage]

I still think Halo and Minecraft are too big for Smash. Licensing anything from them would be expensive and difficult without their explicit cooperation, and not worth the effort when you could license companies far closer to home that are way less difficult and still get about the same profits from it.

...
...
...Dude, what are you smoking?
Halo AND Minecraft too big for Smash???
We got franchises in Smash that eclipse both of them in size.
Do I have to mention Pokemon?

 

[GoodGrief741]

...
...
...Dude, what are you smoking?
Halo AND Minecraft too big for Smash???
We got franchises in Smash that eclipse both of them in size.
Do I have to mention Pokemon?

To be fair, there's no third-party franchise in Smash that oversold Minecraft. Tetris is close. But the argument could be made that Mario, Pokémon, and the Wii franchise are easy licenses because they're owned by Nintendo.

However, I agree, with stuff like Final Fantasy in the game, I think the sky's the limit.

 

[DanganZilla5]

Finally. Image uploader is working. Anyway this is my dream pass. What do you all think? Would you be happy with this pass?

 

[Jomosensual]

...
...
...Dude, what are you smoking?
Halo AND Minecraft too big for Smash???
We got franchises in Smash that eclipse both of them in size.
Do I have to mention Pokemon?

If he said too big for this round of DLC then ok, maybe I'd buy that since the budget went down. But for Smash overall? Nope.

 

[DarthEnderX]

So by the time they finish the second fighters pass we'll be at 81 characters he's something fun they say there gonna keep going till they get to 100 fill in 76 to 100 with whoever you want I want to see what everyone's rosters would look like

76. Ryu Hayabusa [Ninja Gaiden]
77. Bill Rizer/Lance Bean [Contra]
78. Arthur [Ghosts ‘n Goblins]
79. Kunio/Riki [River City Ransom]
80. Bub/Bob [Bubble Bobble]
81. Nathan Spencer [Bionic Commando]
82. Rash/Zitz [Battletoads]
83. Shantae [Shantae]
84. SV-001 Metal Slug [Metal Slug]
85. Kazuma Kiryu [Yakuza]
86. Jill Valentine [Resident Evil]
87. Morrigan [Darkstalkers]
88. Nightmare [Soul Calibur]
89. Viewtiful Joe [Viewtiful Joe]
90. Amaterasu [Okami]
91. Crono [Chrono Trigger]
92. King Hippo [Punch-Out]
93. Captain Toad/Toadette [Treasure Tracker]
94. Mike Haggar [Final Fight]
95. Strider Hiryu [Strider]
96. Phoenix Wright [Ace Attorney]
97. Nakoruru [Samurai Shodown]
98. Goemon/Ebisumaru [Legend of the Mystical Ninja]
99. Heihachi [Tekken]
100. Dante [Devil May Cry]

Finally. Image uploader is working. Anyway this is my dream pass. What do you all think? Would you be happy with this pass?

2.5/6

 

[Jomosensual]

Finally. Image uploader is working. Anyway this is my dream pass. What do you all think? Would you be happy with this pass?


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This would be insane and I'd love it.

 

[Ridrool64]

So by the time they finish the second fighters pass we'll be at 81 characters he's something fun they say there gonna keep going till they get to 100 fill in 76 to 100 with whoever you want I want to see what everyone's rosters would look like

• Fighter #76: Crash Bandicoot
• Fighter #77: Master Chief
• Fighter #78: Arle Nadja
• Fighter #79: Travis Touchdown
• Fighter #80: Bandana Waddle Dee
• Fighter #81: Galarian Pokémon, pick one of the following
  • Cinderace
  • Inteleon
  • Rillaboom
  • Toxtricity
  • Grimmsnarl
  • Urshifu
• Fighter #82: Lara Croft
• Fighter #83: Agumon
• Fighter #84: Paper Mario
• Fighter #85: Dante
• Fighter #86: Lloyd Irving
• Fighter #87: Frisk
• Fighter #88: Kazuma Kiryu
• Fighter #89: Waluigi
• Fighter #90: Isaac
• Fighter #91: 2B
• Fighter #92: Ryu Hayabusa
• Fighter #93: Doom Slayer
• Fighter #94: Rayman
• Fighter #95: Xenoblade. Take your pick:
  • Elma
  • Rook
  • Rex & Pyra
  • If development begins, the next Xenoblade protagonist
• Fighter #96: Heihachi Mishima
• Fighter #97: Steve
• Fighter #98: Sol Badguy
• Fighter #99: Amaterasu
• Fighter #100: Geno

Making this roster was incredibly hard, actually. I'm certain there's over 50 great choices I had to drop somewhere simply because I couldn't find room for them. Honorable mention especially goes out to Phoenix Wright, who I only decided to axe because I simply couldn't find anywhere to put him. Reimu Hakurei, Dr. Eggman, King Boo, Porky, and a list of Echoes were also scrapped but I feel not as bad about those. Still, I think this roster would satisfy a lot of people, and since I only really want a single character, I think that we'd be rather well off. A month ago I would've put Byleth (as a global 3H rep, meaning the character competed with others) in this: a year, Banjo & Kazooie. Maybe I'd think of Terry and Slimerdrick, too, as well as Joker, if they were suggested, but on my own I definitely wouldn't have thought of them as Smash contenders before reveal.

 

[PSIGuy]

• Minecraft "is the single best-selling video game of all time, selling over 180 million copies across all platforms by late 2019, with over 112 million monthly active players " (Wikipedia)
• "Final Fantasy VII Has Sold Over 11 Million Units Worldwide"...(Siliconera)
  • and here is all of the Final Fantasy 7 content in Smash; two songs, one character, one stage, two spirits. This is for a game with the fraction of the influence Minecraft has.
• Pokemon and Mario are owned or partially owned by Nintendo, releasing exclusively on Nintendo consoles, etc

Microsoft isn't lucky that Nintendo allowed them to put Mario and co in Minecraft, NINTENDO are lucky to have exclusive stuff in Minecraft to make getting it on their system more attractive. Everyone wants a slice of the Minecraft pie, but if you're going to do a cross-promotion then both parties are going to want an equal take. And Minecraft in Smash would be a way better deal for Nintendo than Microsoft. We are talking wildly different levels of sales here. No third party franchise in Smash comes CLOSE to Minecraft, and the ones that are maybe a fraction as successful have some huge caveats.

 

[NonSpecificGuy]

• Minecraft "is the single best-selling video game of all time, selling over 180 million copies across all platforms by late 2019, with over 112 million monthly active players " (Wikipedia)
• "Final Fantasy VII Has Sold Over 11 Million Units Worldwide"...(Siliconera)
  • and here is all of the Final Fantasy 7 content in Smash; two songs, one character, one stage, two spirits. This is for a game with the fraction of the influence Minecraft has.
• Pokemon and Mario are owned or partially owned by Nintendo, releasing exclusively on Nintendo consoles, etc

Microsoft isn't lucky that Nintendo allowed them to put Mario and co in Minecraft, NINTENDO are lucky to have exclusive stuff in Minecraft to make getting it on their system more attractive. Everyone wants a slice of the Minecraft pie, but if you're going to do a cross-promotion then both parties are going to want an equal take. And Minecraft in Smash would be a way better deal for Nintendo than Microsoft. We are talking wildly different levels of sales here. No third party franchise in Smash comes CLOSE to Minecraft, and the ones that are maybe a fraction as successful have some huge caveats.

No, technically Minecraft hasn't sold near as well Sonic, Assassin's Creed, Resident Evil, Dragon Quest, or Street Fighter as a franchise and they're all in Smash. And you can't say Minecraft isn't a franchise, because it is. It may be one game but it's one game with multiple iterations and as a franchise Minecraft doesn't even come close.

Minecraft isn't just a single game, it's a game with a whole lot of different versions sold across multiple different platforms that has been sold consistently for what, 10 years now? Your comparison isn't fair, you're picking and choosing your examples to better fit your point.

Edit: if what you were saying was indeed the case. Dragon Quest would have been an absolute impossibility but look where we are.

 

[cosmicB]

So by the time they finish the second fighters pass we'll be at 81 characters he's something fun they say there gonna keep going till they get to 100 fill in 76 to 100 with whoever you want I want to see what everyone's rosters would look like

So I did something interesting here and tried to fill up all the spaces with not just new franchises, but straight up COMPANIES not currently represented in Smash in any way shape or form (minus the first one because it only just happened). I'll admit, this was not easy.

76. Sol Badguy
77. Reimu
78. Alex (Lunar)
79. Doomslayer
80. Gordon Freeman
81. Monokuma
82. Sub-Zero
83. Kratos
84. Crash Bandicoot
85. Adol Christin
86. Sekiro (counting this as Fromsoftware and not Activision because Japan)
87. R-type Spaceship
88. Layton (not counting Eight as a Level 5 rep)
89. Saber
90. Jonesy
91. Saya (from Saya no Uta)
92. Travis Touchdown
93. Super Meat Boy
94. Beatrice (Umineko)
95. Ryza
96. Katarina (Granblue)
97. Aatrox (or any League of Legends character, that's the first one I saw on Google)
98. Neptunia
99. Arthur Morgan
100. Bubsy

Hopefully I'm not wrong here and some of these are from companies actually represented.

I think this would be another fun game: name as many new companies as you can that aren't represented in Smash at all.

 

[DevaAshera]

It's less about Bamco fighting him and more about Sakurai plainly stating that if they didn't give him the design he wanted he would have just dropped the character outright. No reps for Bamco period.

I can't quite say that. Its possible that, similarly to how Chrom was replaced by Robin despite Chrom being the one in the Project Plan, Sakurai could have substituted Pac-Man for a different Namco rep, such as Lloyd.

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

Best we have to go on is Sakurai saying no one has ever denied him for 3rd Parties in Smash. Granted, this doesn't count Sega as they eventually changed their minds before the game they were asked for even released and thus Sonic got in after all.

About that...

- Bayonetta was the first pick among realisable characters (for the ballot). Above her, there were old veterans like Snake and other characters that were already tried negotiating but got rejected. (p63)

Spoiler: tfw Sora is probably one of those

 

[SneakyLink]

So by the time they finish the second fighters pass we'll be at 81 characters he's something fun they say there gonna keep going till they get to 100 fill in 76 to 100 with whoever you want I want to see what everyone's rosters would look like

100 characters? That's a lot!
76: Heavy Weapons Guy
77: Patricia Wagon
78: Otto Matic
79: Reimu
80: Ryu Hayabusa
81: Steve
82: Hatterene
83: Chell
84: Sora
85: Carmen Sandiego
86: Dr. Edward Richtofen
87: Asha
88: Crash Bandicoot
89: KOS-MOS
90: Gordon Freeman
91: Monika
92: Twinbee
93: Yar (the fly from Yar's Revenge, not the character from the reboot)
94: The player Penguin from Intellivision's Thin Ice
95: Doomguy
96: Derek Stilles
97: ? Block
98: Sgt. Cortez
99: Kratos
100: Master Chief

Some characters I considered but decided against:
1. Athena: already has a music track/potential design issues
2. Any Spirit/Assist Trophy already in the game: I feel they're not getting promoted (if they were, Shantae, Agitha, and Mach Rider would've made the list)
3. Capcom in general: Their characters don't really appeal to me
4. Someone from Onigiri: Couldn't find an acceptable character/designs probably might have issues
5. Pitfall Harry: I feel a moveset for him would be better suited for say... Lara Croft (who also didn't make my list)
6. Lara Croft: Two distinct designs, not sure which would work

 

[shinhed-echi]

76) Mike Jones (StarTropics)
77) Doomguy
78) Rash/Zits (Battletoads)
79) Billy/Jimmy (Double Dragon)
80) Tails
81) Crash
82) Lara Croft
83) Crono
84) Sora
85) Saki Amamiya
86) Kunio/Riki
87) Protoman
88) Nightmare
89) Isaac
90) Shantae
91) Zoda (StarTropics)
92) King Hippo
93) Medusa
94) Ryu Hayabusa
95) Bill/Lance (Contra)
96) Jason Frudnik (Blaster Master)
97) Gunvolt
98) Shovel Knight
99) Scorpion
100) Captain N

 

[Mamboo07]

So by the time they finish the second fighters pass we'll be at 81 characters he's something fun they say there gonna keep going till they get to 100 fill in 76 to 100 with whoever you want I want to see what everyone's rosters would look like

Here's mine:

Spoiler: The List:

Fighters Pass 2
76. ?

77. ?

78. ?

79. ?

80. ?

81. ?
Characters everyone wants
82. Geno (Mario)

83. Isaac (Golden Sun)

84. Shantae (Shantae the Genie)

85. Dante (Devil May Cry)

86. Chibi-Robo (Chibi-Robo)

87. Dixie Kong (Donkey Kong)

88. Travis Touchdown (No More Heroes)

89. Steve (Minecraft)
Characters I want for Smash
90. Bandanna Dee (Kirby)

91. Amaterasu (Okami)

92. Poochy (Yoshi)

93. Heavy (Team Fortress)

94. Shake King (Wario)

95. Crash (Crash Bandicoot)

96. Bio-Rex (F-Zero)

97. Dr. Eggman (Sonic)

98. Titan Dweevil (Pikmin)

99. Octane (Rocket League)

100. Waluigi (Mario)

Couldn't think of any characters for Fighters Pass 2. (Sorry about that.)

 

[Rie Sonomura]

So I did something interesting here and tried to fill up all the spaces with not just new franchises, but straight up COMPANIES not currently represented in Smash in any way shape or form (minus the first one because it only just happened). I'll admit, this was not easy.

76. Sol Badguy
77. Reimu
78. Alex (Lunar)
79. Doomslayer
80. Gordon Freeman
81. Monokuma
82. Sub-Zero
83. Kratos
84. Crash Bandicoot
85. Adol Christin
86. Sekiro (counting this as Fromsoftware and not Activision because Japan)
87. R-type Spaceship
88. Layton (not counting Eight as a Level 5 rep)
89. Saber
90. Jonesy
91. Saya (from Saya no Uta)
92. Travis Touchdown
93. Super Meat Boy
94. Beatrice (Umineko)
95. Ryza
96. Katarina (Granblue)
97. Aatrox (or any League of Legends character, that's the first one I saw on Google)
98. Neptunia
99. Arthur Morgan
100. Bubsy

Hopefully I'm not wrong here and some of these are from companies actually represented.

I think this would be another fun game: name as many new companies as you can that aren't represented in Smash at all.

Definitely some off the wall choices (two of which are from visual novels). Interesting, I wholeheartedly approve of the Golden Witch

wait

>Bubsy

noooooooooooooo!

100 characters? That's a lot!
76: Heavy Weapons Guy
77: Patricia Wagon
78: Otto Matic
79: Reimu
80: Ryu Hayabusa
81: Steve
82: Hatterene
83: Chell
84: Sora
85: Carmen Sandiego
86: Dr. Edward Richtofen
87: Asha
88: Crash Bandicoot
89: KOS-MOS
90: Gordon Freeman
91: Monika
92: Twinbee
93: Yar (the fly from Yar's Revenge, not the character from the reboot)
94: The player Penguin from Intellivision's Thin Ice
95: Doomguy
96: Derek Stilles
97: ? Block
98: Sgt. Cortez
99: Kratos
100: Master Chief

Some characters I considered but decided against:
1. Athena: already has a music track/potential design issues
2. Any Spirit/Assist Trophy already in the game: I feel they're not getting promoted (if they were, Shantae, Agitha, and Mach Rider would've made the list)
3. Capcom in general: Their characters don't really appeal to me
4. Someone from Onigiri: Couldn't find an acceptable character/designs probably might have issues
5. Pitfall Harry: I feel a moveset for him would be better suited for say... Lara Croft (who also didn't make my list)
6. Lara Croft: Two distinct designs, not sure which would work

C U L T U R E

Also

Hey uh

yeah I know, 4chan, but this feels a bit more... concrete than the Akuma “leak”

Dante? Or maybe...

 

[GoodGrief741]

• Minecraft "is the single best-selling video game of all time, selling over 180 million copies across all platforms by late 2019, with over 112 million monthly active players " (Wikipedia)
• "Final Fantasy VII Has Sold Over 11 Million Units Worldwide"...(Siliconera)
  • and here is all of the Final Fantasy 7 content in Smash; two songs, one character, one stage, two spirits. This is for a game with the fraction of the influence Minecraft has.
• Pokemon and Mario are owned or partially owned by Nintendo, releasing exclusively on Nintendo consoles, etc

Microsoft isn't lucky that Nintendo allowed them to put Mario and co in Minecraft, NINTENDO are lucky to have exclusive stuff in Minecraft to make getting it on their system more attractive. Everyone wants a slice of the Minecraft pie, but if you're going to do a cross-promotion then both parties are going to want an equal take. And Minecraft in Smash would be a way better deal for Nintendo than Microsoft. We are talking wildly different levels of sales here. No third party franchise in Smash comes CLOSE to Minecraft, and the ones that are maybe a fraction as successful have some huge caveats.

Interesting. So this is the kind of argument you land on when you only look at sales numbers and nothing else...

Definitely some off the wall choices (two of which are from visual novels). Interesting, I wholeheartedly approve of the Golden Witch

wait

>Bubsy

noooooooooooooo!


C U L T U R E

Also

Hey uh

yeah I know, 4chan, but this feels a bit more... concrete than the Akuma “leak”

Dante? Or maybe...

Well this is interesting.

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

So by the time they finish the second fighters pass we'll be at 81 characters he's something fun they say there gonna keep going till they get to 100 fill in 76 to 100 with whoever you want I want to see what everyone's rosters would look like

Oh boy another fun forum game. Count me in.

Spoiler

Fighters Pass 2 (81):

1. Dante
2. Arle Nadja
3. Lloyd Irving
4. Agnes (Bravely Default)
5. Crash Bandicoot
6. Farmer (Harvest Moon)

Fighters Pass 3 (85):

1. 2B
2. Steve
3. Phoenix Wright
4. Sora

Fighters Pass 4 (90):

1. Travis Touchdown
2. Ring Fit Trainer
3. Gran
4. Chosen Undead
5. Christin Adol

Fighters Pass 5 (95):

1. Don-chan
2. Reimu
3. Master Chief
4. Paper Mario
5. Professor Layton

Fighters Pass 6 (100):

1. The MC of Monolith's new IP
2. Ryu Hayabusa
3. Monster Hunter
4. Waluigi
5. Sandbag

Fighters Pass 2 and Fighters Pass 3 are serious and semi-serious respectively. I believe Fighters Pass 3, if real, is gonna be a real last hurrah meant to get big bois like Sora and Steve/Chief (maybe both).

 

[cosmicB]

Definitely some off the wall choices (two of which are from visual novels). Interesting, I wholeheartedly approve of the Golden Witch

wait

>Bubsy

noooooooooooooo!

I legit could not think of someone else, but then I remembered NIS at the last minute, so replace that with Laharl if you want.

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

Also

Hey uh

yeah I know, 4chan, but this feels a bit more... concrete than the Akuma “leak”

Dante? Or maybe...

Very interesting. I could definitely see Dante being used to start Pass #2. My heart hopes for Sora using a fast, combo-based moveset like Bayonetta, but no way that would happen.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

Here’s the Bayonetta glitch in question

There was a problem fetching the tweet

I saw a screenshot where Bayo occasionally wouldn’t show skin when doing a smash attack. I think it’s that same glitch

 

[GoodGrief741]

Here’s the Bayonetta glitch in question

There was a problem fetching the tweet

I saw a screenshot where Bayo occasionally wouldn’t show skin when doing a smash attack. I think it’s that same glitch

So it's a character that can't show skin...

You guys we're getting Mai Shiranui after all!

 

[perfectchaos83]

Definitely some off the wall choices (two of which are from visual novels). Interesting, I wholeheartedly approve of the Golden Witch

wait

>Bubsy

noooooooooooooo!


C U L T U R E

Also

Hey uh

yeah I know, 4chan, but this feels a bit more... concrete than the Akuma “leak”

Dante? Or maybe...

Smells like a conspiracy theory. Not worth thinking about.

 

[Icedragonadam]

Well if the character is supposedly based on Bayonetta, my guess would be 2B. But I don't put any stock in this TBH.

 

[NoOtherPersona]

Jesus you guys went ham on the 76-100 thing thanks for joining In I can't do it because I can't make it at this point but here are some of the characters I guess
Adol Christin
Lloyd Irving
Dante
Master Chief
Travis Touchdown
Ryu Hayabusa
Shin Megami Tensei protagonist they'll be a hero type character but with guns and demons
Sora
Crash and Coco
I couldn't fill up mine to 100 if I got these I'd pretty much be done for the most part they hit everything I'd want heck they hit some of them in base with Simon

 

[SNEKeater]

If the next character is actually based on Bayonetta idk, Dante comes to my mind even if it's only because for both being heavy combo characters. But using Bayo as a base for Dante seems a big stretch to me, but I must say I don't really know well how all of this works so maybe it actually makes sense.

Maybe 2B?

 

[PSIGuy]

No, technically Minecraft hasn't sold near as well Sonic, Assassin's Creed, Resident Evil, Dragon Quest, or Street Fighter as a franchise and they're all in Smash. And you can't say Minecraft isn't a franchise, because it is. It may be one game but it's one game with multiple iterations and as a franchise Minecraft doesn't even come close.

Minecraft isn't just a single game, it's a game with a whole lot of different versions sold across multiple different platforms that has been sold consistently for what, 10 years now? Your comparison isn't fair, you're picking and choosing your examples to better fit your point.

Edit: if what you were saying was indeed the case. Dragon Quest would have been an absolute impossibility but look where we are.

Minecraft is indeed a franchise, by itself it's a cultural phenomeon across the world so ignoring all the insane money it generates off of merchandise while acknowledging other Final Fantasy games etc isn't fair either. Minecraft has Dragon Quest's popularity... WORLDWIDE. Dragon Quest getting in relied heavily on Square Enix wanting to market DQ11 hard in the West so they could make headway with the series in a market that traditionally hasn't cared for it as much as Japan. There are caveats to third parties getting included; brand awareness, cross-promotion etc. Every third party has this, the difference between why they got in and why they didn't. And Nintendo has nothing that Minecraft doesn't already have in spades.

It'd be more accurate to compare Minecraft to Pokemon because they're huge multi-media franchises that happen to originate from a video game, and this is where it becomes really clear that there's a difference between Nintendo owned and not-Nintendo owned. If Pokemon wasn't owned by Nintendo, if it was a Sony title, do you think it would've ever gotten into Smash? Of course not, they'd get nothing out of it.

 

[CapitaineCrash]

Very random thoughts I have but I just started playing Blasphemous and I think that the main character (he's just called "The penitent one" ) would make a very great mii sword fighter. He always wear that weird mask so he would be the kind of mii that you forgot that he's a mii. He could come with a music of the game. I know it won't happen because there's that many indie character more popular than Blasphemous but just a small idea I had.

Spoiler

Definitely some off the wall choices (two of which are from visual novels). Interesting, I wholeheartedly approve of the Golden Witch

wait

>Bubsy

noooooooooooooo!


C U L T U R E

Also

Hey uh

yeah I know, 4chan, but this feels a bit more... concrete than the Akuma “leak”

Dante? Or maybe...

I'm thinking more about 2B, but Dante is a possibility.

 

[cosmicB]

Is there actual evidence of all those characters being bases for other characters? Legit asking here, because a few glitches doesn't necessarily mean anything.

Assuming these aren't all just glitch coincidences and that one of the next fighters is legit based off Bayonetta, it doesn't necessarily imply playstyle, does it? It could be anything, from body shape to weight to having a single similar attack (say for example a charging forward punch in Bayo's case). Though I'll certainly be happy if it points toward either Dante or 2B.