Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[Hadokeyblade]

ok so

let's say FP6 is another hype bringer to give ppl an incentive to get the pass, but let's also assume MandyCanNot is wrong and it's NOT Crash.

Who could fill that role? Hayabusa? Neku? A Nintendo character (say who)?

Sora.

Put a teaser trailer in a spring Nintendo direct which is just the final scene of KH2 where Sora receives the letter for his exam but it replaces the Mickey mouse emblem with the Smash bros logo.
Then give him a proper trailer at E3 and launch him that very day.

A man can dream.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

Hey, I drew these conclusions without even knowing about these datamining stuff.

I think it was very, very likely there were about to get it, even if I didn't know about datamining....
Was it really not the case that people talked about Hero and/or Banjo at all before the leaks? Because you make it sound like those two were never ever in people's minds.

Nobody really talked about Dragon Quest outside of maybe 3 people talking about Slime, hell, if I remember correctly, the Erdrick support thread was carried over since BRAWL with like, 10 pages before the datamining.


I think there's been a communication, I meant that Banjo was expected because like Ridley and K.Rool fans, they refused to believe Banjo wasn't happening because of the ballot and how Banjo Bros started screaming ever since Phil Spencer said he'd love free money on twitter

 

[AustarusIV]

Nobody really talked about Dragon Quest outside of maybe 3 people talking about Slime, hell, if I remember correctly, the Erdrick support thread was carried over since BRAWL with like, 10 pages before the datamining.


I think there's been a communication, I meant that Banjo was expected because like Ridley and K.Rool fans, they refused to believe Banjo wasn't happening because of the ballot and how Banjo Bros started screaming ever since Phil Spencer said he'd love free money on twitter

Just coming in here to say that was because of a site glitch due to the change in TCs when the previous one quietly left SB. I remember the Erdrick thread was created around August 2018, just a few months before the rumors started spreading.

 

[SlickWylde]

...Be careful who you ask this, mkay?

It's okay, I'm kinky anyway.

 

[Michael the Spikester]

ok so

let's say FP6 is another hype bringer to give ppl an incentive to get the pass, but let's also assume MandyCanNot is wrong and it's NOT Crash.

Who could fill that role? Hayabusa? Neku? A Nintendo character (say who)?

Bandana Dee
Dante
Dixie Kong
Doom Slayer (Even though he's deconfirmed at this point)
Geno
Lloyd Irving
Master Chief
Phoenix Wright
Sora
Steve
Travis Touchdown

 

[DanganZilla5]

ok so

let's say FP6 is another hype bringer to give ppl an incentive to get the pass, but let's also assume MandyCanNot is wrong and it's NOT Crash.

Who could fill that role? Hayabusa? Neku? A Nintendo character (say who)?

I would say anyone who is Joker's popularity or more. I'm thinking Dovahkiin, Dante, Sora, and Lara Croft. I would say Steve, but that would be very controversial and not a very good idea (Though we got another Fire Emblem character so anything's possible). And I imagine characters like Geno, Master Chief, and Phoenix Wright being in the middle of the pass.

And if they want a first party character, Isaac or Waluigi would be great. Even if I am not high on assist trophies being upgraded.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

There was strong denial though.

People were like “nuh-uh, that’s got to be a Bravely Default character!” Or “It’s because of Brave Vesperia!” Or “Banjo is brave. So its Banjo” and “Sora has a Brave form, and was in Brave Exius, so it’s Sora”.

The REAL pointer was when Shinya Kumazaki posted that infamous picture of Kirby with Brave’s shield.

Oh people always get in denial about their favourite not being in, case and point, there's still quite a lot of people refusing to believe that Cacomallow was fake when the only argument keeping it alive is "omg it would be cool if real"

Just coming in here to say that was because of a site glitch due to the change in TCs when the previous one quietly left SB. I remember the Erdrick thread was created around August 2018, just a few months before the rumors started spreading.

Thanks for the correction! Suppose I should have wondered why a 2008 thread was getting reused

 

[Door Key Pig]

Doom Slayer (Even though he's deconfirmed at this point)

How ya figure?

Also speaking of first parties, who would be the most likely frontrunners for Pass 2?

 

[Michael the Spikester]

Also speaking of first parties, who would be the most likely frontrunners for Pass 2?

Gen 8 Pokemon.

Another Fire Emblem character.

 

[Cosmic77]

Also speaking of first parties, who would be the most likely frontrunners for Pass 2?

Regardless of what anyone says about Spirits, I think a SwSh rep is probably in the best position for a new character. I don't think it'd be particularly hard to add one, and Byleth shows us that newer games are being considered.

 

[Lacrimosa]

Nobody really talked about Dragon Quest outside of maybe 3 people talking about Slime, hell, if I remember correctly, the Erdrick support thread was carried over since BRAWL with like, 10 pages before the datamining.


I think there's been a communication, I meant that Banjo was expected because like Ridley and K.Rool fans, they refused to believe Banjo wasn't happening because of the ballot and how Banjo Bros started screaming ever since Phil Spencer said he'd love free money on twitter

I see.
That's weird since I assumed that either Yuri (from ToV) or Hero (DQXI, not the others) would make it into Smash.
But maybe I was just lucky with this prediction.

 

[RileyXY1]

Gen 8 Pokemon.

Another Fire Emblem character.

I think that a Gen 8 Pokemon is extremely unlikely.

 

[Mr. Game + Watch]

Who is the one character everyone wants, but they know in their hearts of hearts it’ll never happen?

For me, it’s Cooking Mama.

Dig Dug for me. I loved playing his game on the multicades. I would prefer his cartoony version over his realistic version. I think his move set could be great too.

 

[Deleted member]

So Doom Slayer is looking to not be DLC for Vol 2 now?


I figured that "oh yeah" comment awhile ago was just something like "Hey Nintendo wouldn't it be cool if Doom Slayer was in Smash wink wink nudge nudge?", so I guess Nintendo doesn't feel as interested with the idea as Bethesda or ID or whoever gave them the idea in the first place. It's kind of a shame thoe cause I would've been interested in seeing how Sakurai and his team would put Doom in Smash and make it work, so I guess I'll probably rely on Tekken 7 or MK11 to add Doom Slayer as DLC.

 

[AustarusIV]

The fact that Hero/Erdrick is literally referred to as Yuusha/"Brave" in the Japanese version despite all the fierce arguments saying otherwise prior to his reveal is something that never ceases to crack me up whenever I look back on past speculation.

 

[Cosmic77]

I think that a Gen 8 Pokemon is extremely unlikely.

To be fair, how long do you think it would take before people made a connection between Byleth and no 3H Spirits before using the same logic on SwSh if it got no Spirits? A total of five seconds?

Spirits aren't very hard to make, and I could see the four SwSh Spirits being added just to make it feel less conspicuous. If Sakurai was going to let SwSh release without adding any Spirits like he did with the Let's Go games, he may as well just hold up a flashing neon sigh that reads, "I'm adding a Gen 8 Pokemon in Smash at some point."

 

[Ridrool64]

I like how Smash Wiki calls what people would call gimmicks Fighter Abilities. Gimmicks are usually a loaded term for that because from my time in the gaming sphere, a gimmick is typically considered a bad thing.

ok so

let's say FP6 is another hype bringer to give ppl an incentive to get the pass, but let's also assume MandyCanNot is wrong and it's NOT Crash.

Who could fill that role? Hayabusa? Neku? A Nintendo character (say who)?

When it comes to Smash speculation, I believe 2B is basically robot girl Joker. Came from a massive 2017-ish success, considered really popular, and her fandom basically has nothing to do with Smash right now, basically being entirely new money. And from what I've heard, apparently Sakurai has fondness for Nier: Automata, though I wouldn't say that matters much and I can't source it so I'm going to pretend it's not the case.

 

[Krankees]

How ya figure?

Also speaking of first parties, who would be the most likely frontrunners for Pass 2?

Ring Fit Adventure

 

[Rie Sonomura]

So Doom Slayer is looking to not be DLC for Vol 2 now?


I figured that "oh yeah" comment awhile ago was just something like "Hey Nintendo wouldn't it be cool if Doom Slayer was in Smash wink wink nudge nudge?", so I guess Nintendo doesn't feel as interested with the idea as Bethesda or ID or whoever gave them the idea in the first place. It's kind of a shame thoe cause I would've been interested in seeing how Sakurai and his team would put Doom in Smash and make it work, so I guess I'll probably rely on Tekken 7 or MK11 to add Doom Slayer as DLC.

personally feel like Mortal Kombat 11 would do Doomguy the most justice personally

 

[Deleted member]

personally feel like Mortal Kombat 11 would do Doomguy the most justice personally

Then again, Negan was added to Tekken 7 even though people would say that Mortal Kombat would've been a better game for him.

 

[Cutie Gwen]

personally feel like Mortal Kombat 11 would do Doomguy the most justice personally

Ok but do we REALLY want a zoner in an NRS game? Especially one that relies on high mobility?

 

[SuperSmashStephen]

I think that a Gen 8 Pokemon is extremely unlikely.

May I ask why you believe this to be true?

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

Ok but do we REALLY want a zoner in an NRS game? Especially one that relies on high mobility?

After the original version of Stryker in MK3? Hell no. I mean, he fits the aesthetics, but that sounds like a bad idea waiting to happen.

...There's plenty of other guests who aren't like that anyway. Hell, Killer Instinct had viable options too. That, and they fit the settings well enough.

 

[Sysreq]

So Doomguy deconfirmed? Called it Sorry to his supporters though

 

[slrigeigdew]

Ok but do we REALLY want a zoner in an NRS game? Especially one that relies on high mobility?

This made me think of a couple of questions that may or not been already discussed to death: If you were told your character's inclusion would completely change the competitive meta of the game, would you still want them in? Would you still want your favorite characters in Smash even if they don't fit your playstyle?

 

[Cutie Gwen]

This made me think of a couple of questions that may or not been already discussed to death: If you were told your character's inclusion would completely change the competitive meta of the game, would you still want them in? Would you still want your favorite characters in Smash even if they don't fit your playstyle?

Absolutely cause I only play casually, and if they don't fit my playstyle, I'll try to brute force myself through the character, considering how often I cause ragequits with Hero after I became determined to get a feel for them, I think I can pull it off

 

[Schnee117]

Ok but do we REALLY want a zoner in an NRS game? Especially one that relies on high mobility?

*laughs in Injustice 2 Black Adam and Starfire*

 

[King Sonnn DeDeDoo]

*laughs in Injustice 2 Black Adam and Starfire*

I kind of liked playing Injustice 2 Black Adam simply because it was the closest to what I imagine Ganondorf's moveset should look like in smash, at least aesthetically.

Floating around, lots of lighting magic, still really strong and brutal.

 

[BlueMonk]

To be fair, how long do you think it would take before people made a connection between Byleth and no 3H Spirits before using the same logic on SwSh if it got no Spirits? A total of five seconds?

Spirits aren't very hard to make, and I could see the four SwSh Spirits being added just to make it feel less conspicuous. If Sakurai was going to let SwSh release without adding any Spirits like he did with the Let's Go games, he may as well just hold up a flashing neon sigh that reads, "I'm adding a Gen 8 Pokemon in Smash at some point."

I don't think Sakurai cares that much about keeping things a surprise for the speculation community... after all, like you mentioned, there were no 3H spirits. If he cared that much, three houses probably would have gotten spirits so nobody expected anything. I don't see why he would care more about covering up pokemon here but not three houses, if you see what I'm saying.

 

[Lacrimosa]

Wait, there are SwSh spirits?
Damn, I'm outdated.
Are those the starters?
If not, then the likelihood of one of them being in increases by the factor 1000.

 

[BlueMonk]

Wait, there are SwSh spirits?
Damn, I'm outdated.
Are those the starters?
If not, then the likelihood of one of them being in increases by the factor 1000.

a combined grookey/scorbunny/sobble spirit and a combined zacien/zamazenta spirit, with corviknight and morpeko thrown in too

 

[snowgolem]

Little Mac echo fighter, plus Wii Fit with slightly shorter hair and we got another character

 

[Deleted member]

a combined grookey/scorbunny/sobble spirit and a combined zacien/zamazenta spirit, with corviknight and morpeko thrown in too

So what you're telling me is... Baboom lose?

No... this can't be possible.

 

[Lenidem]

Who is the one character everyone wants, but they know in their hearts of hearts it’ll never happen?

For me, it’s Cooking Mama.

For me it's Skull Kid, but I guess you could argue that he does have a small chance, at least for Smash 6, or 7, or whatever.

So I would say Joanna Dark. Pretty sure she will never get in.

 

[DaybreakHorizon]

Not to say there are “rules”, but I really, really don’t think it’s wise to ignore things that can definitely suggest potential outcomes. Inferences are just as useful here, in my humble opinion.

I honestly see some things as, essentially the following:

X: “Hey, I think this character could get in because of these reasons”/“I don’t think we’ll get this character because of these reasons...”

Y: “Bruh, stop making rules! I don’t care about rules that make my character of choice more likely. But that stuff you’re saying? The part that makes my character of choice seem not likely? Yeah, fan rule.”

Like yes, we’re here to have fun and talk about characters/a game we love. But as I’ve said before, wanting a character and that character being “likely” are very different things...unless, of course, you can make a substantial case as to why you character of choice makes sense/may actually have a shot.

Might just be the fact I’m an English teacher who literally instructs kids how to make an effective argument, but I can tell you right now...saying, “Just because of those reasons doesn’t mean [insert topic here] CANT HAPPEN” ain’t it.

Carry on.

But Joooooones! Evidence and inferences don't matter!

I want insert character here and no amount of evidence is going to sway me away from my conspiracy theories goshdarnit!

 

[BlueMonk]

So what you're telling me is... Baboom lose?

No... this can't be possible.

I'm afraid it might be true...

 

[Pinguino21v]

let's say FP6 is another hype bringer to give ppl an incentive to get the pass, but let's also assume MandyCanNot is wrong and it's NOT Crash.

Who could fill that role? Hayabusa? Neku? A Nintendo character (say who)?

If I stick to usual contenders, and if I'm taking into account the general public and not the circlejerk that is the Smash speculation scene, IMO, the biggest hype bringer is Sora. Master Chief, for being the face of a direct competitor, is probably at the same level if you only take into account the West and not Japan. Crash, Dante, Lloyd, Phoenix, Doomguy, Rayman, Ryu, Steve... and even further Travis, Geno, Shantae, Arle, Spyro, KOS-MOS... are all interesting and hype bringers but at a lower level than Sora would be. And I repeat: it's by taking into account the general public.

But the biggest hype bringers would be big characters we rarely discuss, and there are still a lot! To name a few, in no order, and without considering their renown in Japan:

• Some Sony character like Kratos or Ratchet
• Some Blizzard character like Tracer or Thrall
• Some Valve character like Heavy or Chell
• A Borderlands rep
• A League of Legends rep

Unless Nintendo is really trying to corner the East Europe market it will never happen but

I want this to happen.

Also speaking of first parties, who would be the most likely frontrunners for Pass 2?

tl;dr: new Xenoblade or Zelda rep for already represented franchise, otherwise it's unrepresented franchise, first of all Golden Sun.

I'm subjective because Isaac is my most wanted, but even by trying to keep a clear mind and stay objective, I believe in the chance of both Isaac and a Xenoblade rep (Elma or Rex) to be tied to respectively an unannounced Golden Sun and to XC:DE or an unannounced XCX remake or XCX2. There could also eventually be a Zelda rep tied to BOTW2. Last but not least, we could get, like Isaac would be, characters for other unrepresented franchises (even if less likely IMO) if tied to a new game, like Andy (Advance Wars), a Rhythm Heaven rep, etc.

Outside of that I strongly doubt in the chance of any characters of series that already have fighters, including Waluigi, Dixie, Krystal and Bandana Waddle Dee. They would not bring the "new worlds" Sakurai mentionned, and even several of them wouldn't have a "gameplay uniqueness". I also doubt in the chance of a Gen 8 Pokémon, considering their recent spirits as hard diconfirmation.

 

[Fenriraga]

ok so

let's say FP6 is another hype bringer to give ppl an incentive to get the pass, but let's also assume MandyCanNot is wrong and it's NOT Crash.

Who could fill that role? Hayabusa? Neku? A Nintendo character (say who)?

It would have to be a character along the same lines as Joker. As in, a character whose franchise is more commonly associated with another of the big 3.

Since we have Banjo, the only one on Microsoft's side I can say would fit that side would be Chief, especially since Cuphead is a Mii costume. And I can't believe we're in a world where I genuinely feel that's a possibility.

Sony, however, still has a pretty big litter to pick from there. Sora and Spyro both fit that bill, as (at least until the Reignited Trilogy) there has never been a mainline game from either series on a Nintendo platform, just like Joker, but there has still been a presence of the series on Nintendo hardware. They fit the "Not a Sony IP exclusively but is absolutely associated with them the most" bill.

Doomguy would still fit that bill very well too, but since we apparently have ID claiming they were never approached for it, who knows. Could be NDA but if that was the case I'd figure they'd just stay quiet.

A primarily American IP would also raise some eyebrows in surprise.

I think in terms of raw "Even more casual 'gamers' would absolutely lose their ****", Chief and Sora are the frontrunners there.

 

[Deleted member]

I'm afraid it might be true...

No... Baboom...

Sike Baboom transcends boundaries such as Spirits. Even if Sakurai makes him a Spirit he'll somehow manage to slip into Smash and be playable I'm sure of it.

 

[Jomosensual]

Who is the one character everyone wants, but they know in their hearts of hearts it’ll never happen?

For me, it’s Cooking Mama.

Nathan Drake
Scorpion
Hollow Knight(the mii costume is going to be cool though)
Kratos
Cranky Kong


So like a good chunk of my most wanted list