Official Newcomer/DLC Speculation Discussion

[cosmicB]

So here's an interesting thought exercise. Sakurai has broken a bunch of fanmade "rules" over the years, but there's still a bunch left. Which one would you guys MOST want broken? Some rules include but are not limited to:

No Assist Trophy upgrades
No Spirit upgrades
Post-release Spirit board series/games won't be getting a character
No non-main characters before main character
No antagonists before main character
No indies
No "region-locked" characters (coming from a series that hasn't officially released in both North America and Japan)

As for my most wanted (Monokuma), I'd have to go with the antagonist one.

That said, there's a twisted part of me that wants the "no non-main characters before main character" one (which I categorize as separate from the antagonist one). The reason for this is it would DESTROY the speculation scene entirely. Just imagine the chaos it would cause.

Like, think of instead of Hero getting in, Kyle from Dragon Quest 11 did. Instead of Banjo Kazooie, we got Bottles. Instead of Cloud, we got Wakka from Final Fantasy 10. It would be hilarious and open speculation up to a ridiculous extent since it would seem the characters picked are entirely random and not have any logic behind them at all.

 

[Herocin]

Chief in smash would be a big deal

-he’s mostly the poster boy for Xbox just like & were for their company's
He’s like Xbox’s child like...he’s inside an Xbox one s disk drive & a Xbox one x circuit board where you see him riding a scorpion
-there’s rumors about mcc coming to the switch and he can easily promote halos debut on the switch(not counting halo on Minecraft) just like was for dq11s
>”but you can say that to every new game coming to the switch so that means they’re coming to smash”
Well the thing is is that where hero & Chief come from are square enix & Microsoft. 2 company’s already representing a fighter or 2
-just like every other character choice he to has a fun move set
-of course he could end up as a mii fighter but it still would be a big deal.
-he was with Xbox since the beginning
-of course it’s not big in Japan but don’t forget what sakurai said in terry’s presentation


i say that were to give what the fans want but if there were another I say they go with the big guns master chief

I never said chief wasn’t a big deal and you could have just quoted whoever you were replying too instead of replying without any quotes and presumably hoping they wouldn’t reply. Chief being a big deal is what may deter Nintendo away from him. He is a character who belongs to a rival console developer and is there mascot of all things. Not only that but a lot of this logic you provide is filled to the brim with stretches and the like
-that’s the point chief is a mascot to another console while terry, sonic etc weren’t. And anyway whenever a new third party company gets their first playable character they always get their mascot playable first with exceptions of banjo who was only added due to fan demand and wouldn’t have been added under regular circumstances.
-this evidence is the worst by far. It doesn’t mean anything that Square Enix have 2 reps and one was seemingly added for promotion. That almost certainly doesn’t do anything for Chiefs chances just because you think Microsoft would get 2 reps and the second would be seemingly promotional like hero. Sakurai isn’t going to even bother considering this idea.
-rest is just minor. Long story short due to chiefs status that may mean Nintendo not bothering to get hin

 

[Animegamingnerd]

Geno is getting in and that's a fact

This post is gonna be major oof, in 2 years isn't it?

 

[MasterOfKnees]

So here's an interesting thought exercise. Sakurai has broken a bunch of fanmade "rules" over the years, but there's still a bunch left. Which one would you guys MOST want broken? Some rules include but are not limited to:

No Assist Trophy upgrades
No Spirit upgrades
Post-release Spirit board series/games won't be getting a character
No non-main characters before main character
No antagonists before main character
No indies
No "region-locked" characters (coming from a series that hasn't officially released in both North America and Japan)

As for my most wanted (Monokuma), I'd have to go with the antagonist one.

That said, there's a twisted part of me that wants the "no non-main characters before main character" one (which I categorize as separate from the antagonist one). The reason for this is it would DESTROY the speculation scene entirely. Just imagine the chaos it would cause.

Like, think of instead of Hero getting in, Kyle from Dragon Quest 11 did. Instead of Banjo Kazooie, we got Bottles. Instead of Cloud, we got Wakka from Final Fantasy 10. It would be hilarious and open speculation up to a ridiculous extent since it would seem the characters picked are entirely random and not have any logic behind them at all.

I kinda want the AT one to be broken, not because the ATs I'd like to be promoted have any chance at this point (Waluigi is the only AT with a shot imo), but because it'd have some pretty big implications on every Smash game from here on out. A lot of the other ones are either situational to Ultimate itself or to very specific characters, but the AT one would really open a new horizon in speculation.

 

[MisterMike]

Not sure if mentioned

But um

Remember the picture with Ryu in FP2 but was previously in fp1 and also talks about a three

Ummm..


I heard It’s source and photos was taken down.

(I know it could just be a coincidence

Where was it taken down? Do you have a link?

 

[Us3inMN]

So here's an interesting thought exercise. Sakurai has broken a bunch of fanmade "rules" over the years, but there's still a bunch left.

I'm stuck between no spirits and no assist trophies. They both just seem unlikely.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

So here's an interesting thought exercise. Sakurai has broken a bunch of fanmade "rules" over the years, but there's still a bunch left. Which one would you guys MOST want broken? Some rules include but are not limited to:

No Assist Trophy upgrades
No Spirit upgrades
Post-release Spirit board series/games won't be getting a character
No non-main characters before main character
No antagonists before main character
No indies
No "region-locked" characters (coming from a series that hasn't officially released in both North America and Japan)

As for my most wanted (Monokuma), I'd have to go with the antagonist one.

That said, there's a twisted part of me that wants the "no non-main characters before main character" one (which I categorize as separate from the antagonist one). The reason for this is it would DESTROY the speculation scene entirely. Just imagine the chaos it would cause.

Like, think of instead of Hero getting in, Kyle from Dragon Quest 11 did. Instead of Banjo Kazooie, we got Bottles. Instead of Cloud, we got Wakka from Final Fantasy 10. It would be hilarious and open speculation up to a ridiculous extent since it would seem the characters picked are entirely random and not have any logic behind them at all.

No Spirit Upgrades should be broken - I really want Elma, Black Shadow and Octolings okay

"No non-main characters before main character" - YMMV on this one if you count Robin as the main character of FE:A and not Chrom (which I do).

 

[Animegamingnerd]

I'm stuck between no spirits and no assist trophies. They both just seem unlikely.

After it was stated that FP2 is gonna have new Spirit Boards I think its safe to assume we are getting no upgrades to Spirits or AT.

 

[CroonerMike]

Not sure if mentioned

But um

Remember the picture with Ryu in FP2 but was previously in fp1 and also talks about a three

Ummm..


I heard It’s source and photos was taken down.

(I know it could just be a coincidence

What lol

 

[Calamitas]

Did I accidentally go the Geno thread, or what's with all the Geno talk and "he's totally 100% getting in I swear" going on?

 

[Rie Sonomura]

What lol

A Ayumi Tachibana knows what we're talking about. Basically, a rumor from a Japanese insider that Hayabusa was originally FP5 but he was leaked so he and Byleth switched places. Byleth was originally in S2 according to the rumor, which may line up with Sakurai stating only a few trusted staff knew of Byleth

 

[Flik]

So here's an interesting thought exercise. Sakurai has broken a bunch of fanmade "rules" over the years, but there's still a bunch left. Which one would you guys MOST want broken? Some rules include but are not limited to:

No Assist Trophy upgrades
No Spirit upgrades
Post-release Spirit board series/games won't be getting a character
No non-main characters before main character
No antagonists before main character
No indies
No "region-locked" characters (coming from a series that hasn't officially released in both North America and Japan)

As for my most wanted (Monokuma), I'd have to go with the antagonist one.

That said, there's a twisted part of me that wants the "no non-main characters before main character" one (which I categorize as separate from the antagonist one). The reason for this is it would DESTROY the speculation scene entirely. Just imagine the chaos it would cause.

Like, think of instead of Hero getting in, Kyle from Dragon Quest 11 did. Instead of Banjo Kazooie, we got Bottles. Instead of Cloud, we got Wakka from Final Fantasy 10. It would be hilarious and open speculation up to a ridiculous extent since it would seem the characters picked are entirely random and not have any logic behind them at all.

A lot of these are just paterns Smash has been following for a while, I wouldn't call any of these except Post-release Spirits and "region-locked characters" a "fanrule".

 

[Deleted member]

Did I accidentally go the Geno thread, or what's with all the Geno talk and "he's totally 100% getting in I swear" going on?

First, literally only one person said that. Once.

Second, Geno thread got locked.

 

[Deleted member]

So here's an interesting thought exercise. Sakurai has broken a bunch of fanmade "rules" over the years, but there's still a bunch left. Which one would you guys MOST want broken? Some rules include but are not limited to:

No Assist Trophy upgrades
No Spirit upgrades
Post-release Spirit board series/games won't be getting a character
No non-main characters before main character
No antagonists before main character
No indies
No "region-locked" characters (coming from a series that hasn't officially released in both North America and Japan)

As for my most wanted (Monokuma), I'd have to go with the antagonist one.

That said, there's a twisted part of me that wants the "no non-main characters before main character" one (which I categorize as separate from the antagonist one). The reason for this is it would DESTROY the speculation scene entirely. Just imagine the chaos it would cause.

Like, think of instead of Hero getting in, Kyle from Dragon Quest 11 did. Instead of Banjo Kazooie, we got Bottles. Instead of Cloud, we got Wakka from Final Fantasy 10. It would be hilarious and open speculation up to a ridiculous extent since it would seem the characters picked are entirely random and not have any logic behind them at all.

The Assist Trophy rule due to the implications for not only this game but every game going forward. It'd shake up the speculation scene immensely and it'd be grand to see. MasterOfKnees pretty much nailed it on the head it's exactly why I want the rule to be broken.

Spirits may be a one and done kind of mode and Trophies might replace them in the future so who knows if they're gonna be anything to worry about after Ultimate and even if they are if Waluigi were to be upgraded he'd also break the Spirit rule due to him having both a Spirit and an Assist Trophy so that's a loophole I'm willing to bet on.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

No Spirit Upgrades should be broken - I really want Elma, Black Shadow and Octolings okay

"No non-main characters before main character" - YMMV on this one if you count Robin as the main character of FE:A and not Chrom (which I do).

Robin is a main character of FE:A, though? He/She isn't the protagonist, though, which is Chrom. But who is the main character of FE as a whole? Marth. That's why he's the first franchise choice. See down below why the first choice of the franchise is more important to look at for the "main" stuff. After that, it's not really about some kind of core pattern/rule. Game importance is of course something that plays a role, and it's often that the second "hero" of the story can get the second slot. If there's a hero to begin with, anyway.

Besides, that's usually best to look at it for franchises as a whole. Every single franchise has a main character first(they also may be the protagonist or a mascot. Actually, it's been both anyway. One can be a mascot of their own game too. However, sometimes mascots aren't always protagonists specifically, or the core one, anyway. Pikachu only is within Hey You! PIkachu. Otherwise, it's a partner to the core Trainer in Yellow, or basically Ash's partner. It being the mascot and far easier to imagine working within the system's limitations made it the clear choice).

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

oh hey, Images are working, guess I can finally post my Fighter Pass vol. 2 predictions (in no particular order)

Yeah, even after Byleth, I'm expecting only third parties. That being said, most of the characters come from companies already represented in Smash, so they'd probably be pretty easy to negotiate (and technically, Koei Tecmo has Fatal Frame spirits and an assist trophy with Yuri, and Marvelous has Daemon X Machina spirits, though not sure if those really mean much).

I think we got a good variety here, There may be an overabundance of Hack and Slash characters, tho assuming a majority of the characters in pass 1 were from JRPGs I don't think that really matters

Spoiler: and here's my dream pass for funsies

at the end of the day tho, i don't care who gets in. I got Byleth, I'm content with pretty much anyone at this point.

 

[Garteam]

So here's an interesting thought exercise. Sakurai has broken a bunch of fanmade "rules" over the years, but there's still a bunch left. Which one would you guys MOST want broken? Some rules include but are not limited to:

No Assist Trophy upgrades
No Spirit upgrades
Post-release Spirit board series/games won't be getting a character
No non-main characters before main character
No antagonists before main character
No indies
No "region-locked" characters (coming from a series that hasn't officially released in both North America and Japan)

As for my most wanted (Monokuma), I'd have to go with the antagonist one.

That said, there's a twisted part of me that wants the "no non-main characters before main character" one (which I categorize as separate from the antagonist one). The reason for this is it would DESTROY the speculation scene entirely. Just imagine the chaos it would cause.

Like, think of instead of Hero getting in, Kyle from Dragon Quest 11 did. Instead of Banjo Kazooie, we got Bottles. Instead of Cloud, we got Wakka from Final Fantasy 10. It would be hilarious and open speculation up to a ridiculous extent since it would seem the characters picked are entirely random and not have any logic behind them at all.

Hasn't the region locked one been broken since Marth?

 

[MisterMike]

So here's an interesting thought exercise. Sakurai has broken a bunch of fanmade "rules" over the years, but there's still a bunch left. Which one would you guys MOST want broken? Some rules include but are not limited to:

No Assist Trophy upgrades
No Spirit upgrades
Post-release Spirit board series/games won't be getting a character
No non-main characters before main character
No antagonists before main character
No indies
No "region-locked" characters (coming from a series that hasn't officially released in both North America and Japan)

As for my most wanted (Monokuma), I'd have to go with the antagonist one.

That said, there's a twisted part of me that wants the "no non-main characters before main character" one (which I categorize as separate from the antagonist one). The reason for this is it would DESTROY the speculation scene entirely. Just imagine the chaos it would cause.

Like, think of instead of Hero getting in, Kyle from Dragon Quest 11 did. Instead of Banjo Kazooie, we got Bottles. Instead of Cloud, we got Wakka from Final Fantasy 10. It would be hilarious and open speculation up to a ridiculous extent since it would seem the characters picked are entirely random and not have any logic behind them at all.

No Spirit Upgrades, easily. I'm so sick and tired of people trying to act as though it's some solid, irrefutable rule when it's not. People used to think Trophies disconfirmed characters, and lo and behold, Mewtwo and Lucas still got in Smash 4 as DLC. Spirits are basically Trophies mixed with the Stickers from Brawl, yet for some reason people like to act as though they're totally different from Trophies in terms of disconfirming characters.

While I'd say it's a safe bet that characters added as Spirits after the base game are most likely off the table since they would've planned for that, characters made Spirits before the game was out are totally fair game. If Sakurai and company want to add in a character, they'll add them in. They won't decide against it because they already put them in as a Spirit two years ago, that's just silly.

Assist Trophy "rule" is another good one.

Did I accidentally go the Geno thread, or what's with all the Geno talk and "he's totally 100% getting in I swear" going on?

One person made a short, overly enthusiastic post delaring that they thing Geno's going to be in, and everyone replied to it. That's all.

 

[RileyXY1]

Hasn't the region locked one been broken since Marth?

There's also Lucas, although Sakurai said that he wouldn't have added him had he known that Mother 3 was not getting an international release. Ayumi Tachibana and Takamaru were scrapped because their games were Japan-only.

 

[snowgolem]

Does anybody know why January 16th was actually important for Devil May Cry 5? Because everyone was thinking that would be the release date and they were hinting at that, but since it obviously wasn’t, I’m kinda confused.

 

[Rie Sonomura]

There's also Lucas, although Sakurai said that he wouldn't have added him had he known that Mother 3 was not getting an international release. Ayumi Tachibana and Takamaru were scrapped because their games were Japan-only.

it's also probably why Lip never became playable as they always changed Panel de Pon to something else in the West and removed Lip and the PDP characters

 

[TheCJBrine]

Does anybody know why January 16th was actually important for Devil May Cry 5? Because everyone was thinking that would be the release date and they were hinting at that, but since it obviously wasn’t, I’m kinda confused.

People thought Byleth was going to be Dante instead, but it was just a feature for the Switch version of DMC3 like the tweet with the dates said.

Also, I love your username and profile pic.

 

[Dutch Raikuna]

Anyone got a Template for the Fighter Pass thing. Kinda want to make my own. And the font used as well.

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

There's also Lucas, although Sakurai said that he wouldn't have added him had he known that Mother 3 was not getting an international release. Ayumi Tachibana and Takamaru were scrapped because their games were Japan-only.

On the other hand, Lucas might've replaced Ness in Brawl, but he used that opportunity to have them both in, to appeal to the Eastern and Western audiences a bit more.

Slight similarity to Simon and Richter being both chosen(but pretty different beyond the appeal to both sides of the seas).

Considering Lucas got cut easily in 4 over Ness, I'm guessing he doesn't really find the series needs a ton of characters. It has a decent amount of stages and spirits/trophies along with stickers and music, at least. So that's still nice~

 

[Mushroomguy12]

Anyone got a Template for the Fighter Pass thing. Kinda want to make my own. And the font used as well.

This guy has a bunch.

Here is a template for the offical FIGHTERS PASS 2! Hope you all enjoy!

Photoshop Version: https://t.co/PeHWgGRdg1

Transparent Version:https://t.co/zO3OzRg67v

Hope you all enjoyed the presentation, Please credit if you use this! pic.twitter.com/71sD2ZpkQa

— Templates For Smash 📝 (@Templates4Smash) January 16, 2020

 

[Zeox]

Which one would you guys MOST want broken? Some rules include but are not limited to:

No Assist Trophy upgrades
No Spirit upgrades
Post-release Spirit board series/games won't be getting a character
No non-main characters before main character
No antagonists before main character
No indies
No "region-locked" characters (coming from a series that hasn't officially released in both North America and Japan)

As for my most wanted (Monokuma), I'd have to go with the antagonist one.

I read the "No antagonists before main character" and thought "Monokuma could do that!" and then I realized that you already did it, so...

Let the bear bring some despair and death to Smash!

 

[lordvaati]

Does anybody know why January 16th was actually important for Devil May Cry 5? Because everyone was thinking that would be the release date and they were hinting at that, but since it obviously wasn’t, I’m kinda confused.

It was for a Dante statue.

 

[snowgolem]

People thought Byleth was going to be Dante instead, but it was just a feature for the Switch version of DMC3 like the tweet with the dates said.

Also, I love your username and profile pic.

They had to have done that on purpose.
Also, thank you

 

[MooMew64]

oh hey, Images are working, guess I can finally post my Fighter Pass vol. 2 predictions (in no particular order)
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Yeah, even after Byleth, I'm expecting only third parties. That being said, most of the characters come from companies already represented in Smash, so they'd probably be pretty easy to negotiate (and technically, Koei Tecmo has Fatal Frame spirits and an assist trophy with Yuri, and Marvelous has Daemon X Machina spirits, though not sure if those really mean much).

I think we got a good variety here, There may be an overabundance of Hack and Slash characters, tho assuming a majority of the characters in pass 1 were from JRPGs I don't think that really matters

All seem like pretty safe bets to me. I feel like Dante especially is pretty much in the bag at this point.

Unfortunately, if this does turn out to be FP2, there really isn't much here for me besides Arle and Steve; it'd be a pretty underwhelming pass for me personally, lol.

 

[Mushroomguy12]

Images were broken this morning, but I guess I can finally put my personal picks up. Template was from the tweet I linked earlier.

 

[cosmicB]

No Spirit Upgrades should be broken - I really want Elma, Black Shadow and Octolings okay

"No non-main characters before main character" - YMMV on this one if you count Robin as the main character of FE:A and not Chrom (which I do).

Even if I didn't, Lucina is an important lord. I don't see the rule as being broken even if she was the only one from Awakening that got in. I'm talking about someone like Tharja or Cordelia.

 

[DarthEnderX]

Geno's situation is absolutely looking the best it ever has.

Technically, everyone's situation is the best it's ever been. As there's currently less competition for slots than ever before. And with each character that gets added, there's even one less!

Images were broken this morning, but I guess I can finally put my personal picks up.

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oh hey, Images are working, guess I can finally post my Fighter Pass vol. 2 predictions (in no particular order)

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[cosmicB]

Hasn't the region locked one been broken since Marth?

I suppose I should say "modern rule". These supposed rules weren't really defined around the time of Melee, as made apparent by characters that got cut later down the line for being Japan only or Sakurai not planning to put Lucas in if he knew Mother 3 wasn't getting localized.

 

[CapitaineCrash]

oh hey, Images are working, guess I can finally post my Fighter Pass vol. 2 predictions (in no particular order)
View attachment 258938
Yeah, even after Byleth, I'm expecting only third parties. That being said, most of the characters come from companies already represented in Smash, so they'd probably be pretty easy to negotiate (and technically, Koei Tecmo has Fatal Frame spirits and an assist trophy with Yuri, and Marvelous has Daemon X Machina spirits, though not sure if those really mean much).

I think we got a good variety here, There may be an overabundance of Hack and Slash characters, tho assuming a majority of the characters in pass 1 were from JRPGs I don't think that really matters

Spoiler: and here's my dream pass for funsies

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I love that it's exactly my prediction (and no I didn't just change my signature, it's there since 3 days now)

 

[Ramen Tengoku]

I love that it's exactly my prediction (and no I didn't just change my signature, it's there since 3 days now)

oh wow, lol

and you're an RH stan too

great minds think alike I guess

 

[snowgolem]

What if the real reason Byleth was the final Fighter’s Pass 1 character was because Sakurai didn’t want two colors to be in the same pass so he rearranged them so each pass had different colors

 

[Verde Coeden Scalesworth]

What if the real reason Byleth was the final Fighter’s Pass 1 character was because Sakurai didn’t want two colors to be in the same pass so he rearranged them so each pass had different colors

Ehhhhhhhhhh, I doubt it.

I'd say it's probably more related to being a character on the list that was either from an upcoming game that fit the roster timing, was meant to be a necessary Nintendo pick(I don't think this is nearly as likely as the other two I'm saying), or that he wanted to show off more moveset ideas and Byleth had a great option for it. It was Byleth or another Avatar at best to show off those mechanics anyway. Or at least it had to be a FE character.

 

[Zeox]

Note: these are characters I want, not expect, I don't expect any of them to do it, but I would like it.

And as you can see, I am more of a fan of monsters and cartoon characters rather than anime ones...

 

[SMAASH! Puppy]

What if the real reason Byleth was the final Fighter’s Pass 1 character was because Sakurai didn’t want two colors to be in the same pass so he rearranged them so each pass had different colors

That makes 0 sense. They would still have color overlap if it was a thing in the first place. Also I fail to see how it would have been an issue.

 

[DarthEnderX]

Note: these are characters I want, not expect, I don't expect any of them to do it, but I would like it.

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